Best part of a new patch? Third party tools not working.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Such entitlement…

I hope that person get banned.

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I present round 2

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

The new 24man was so difficult I almost cried.

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I did want to cry, because the server was VERY UNHAPPY when I first tried to queue into the new 24-man on Tuesday; it took our group a very long time to walk from spawn-in to the first boss arena because everyone was rubber-banding so badly, and no one could use any abilities. When someone decided to try to attempt to pull the boss anyway, it just was a stuttering slideshow of death... and anyone who tried to Return to Start was then trapped in an infinite black loading screen.

Second time I queued in was perfectly fine, but that first time was just PAAAAAIN. And definitely worth some weeping.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

To be honest in our group we simply run with the policy "you can use it, but we don't recommend it" as I am calling for my group for one and we worry about overreliance on the tool. It slows improvement if used excessively.

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That's more or less my stance as the person calling for my static. But I mean, I also try to encourage people not to rely on my callouts either.

If you rely on an automated tool to tell you the mechanics, that's not great. But if you rely on a non-automated tool (i.e., me) to tell you the mechanics, that's also not great. Sure, I'm still functional on patch days, but if I get laryngitis or have a family crisis and have to skip raid, you should be able to read the mechanics without me there.

I firmly believe that callouts -- whether human or automated -- should really only be a sanity-check on your own read of mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Your Operating System is third-party, please uninstall it.

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Facetious joking aside, the operating system is not against TOS. It is listed in the system requirements for the game, which makes it part of the base required operating environment.

Moreover, keep in mind that the TOS forbids the use of unauthorized third-party tools. There are authorized third-party software, like that Embody surround sound add-on for the Windows edition. And for that matter, Nvidia Freestyle, Nvidia's equivalent of GShade... which has official, SQEX-blessed support for FFXIV. (Not that it would really matter if it didn't, since Freestyle happens at the driver level and, from FFXIV's point of view, is functionally indistinguishable from, say, Windows system-level monitor color calibration.)

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

That's more or less my stance as the person calling for my static. But I mean, I also try to encourage people not to rely on my callouts either.

If you rely on an automated tool to tell you the mechanics, that's not great. But if you rely on a non-automated tool (i.e., me) to tell you the mechanics, that's also not great. Sure, I'm still functional on patch days, but if I get laryngitis or have a family crisis and have to skip raid, you should be able to read the mechanics without me there.

I firmly believe that callouts -- whether human or automated -- should really only be a sanity-check on your own read of mechanics.

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Correct, which is why I adjust my callouts based on what we currently need and lower it to basics after we are good. In fact, the few things I still call when I do them wrong get counter-called, proving the awareness of my group members.

I'm honestly proud of them because of that.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

I present round 2

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What f***ing plugins does this person need to actually go in an unironic round 2 of complete unhinging...?!

*confused PlayStation noises*

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

What f***ing plugins does this person need to actually go in an unironic round 2 of complete unhinging...?!

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I mean, I'm sure there are plugins for f***ing, because chunks of the internet are basically humanity's libido given digital form, but I hope they aren't being used in raid... :P

More seriously... I have no words, only some small spark of hope that this is satire/parody being pasted here. If it's serious... as someone who wrote add-ons back in the WildStar world (where they were officially supported), the level of sheer entitlement there demanding an update from people who almost assuredly do this in their spare time is just...

I have no words.

I don't raid, don't care about it too much - but I DO wish there was a feature that could tell me what my alts and their retainers had in inventory - that would be very useful. We had that in a game inspired by Tolkien's works, don't see the harm in that.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

I mean, I'm sure there are plugins for f***ing, because chunks of the internet are basically humanity's libido given digital form, but I hope they aren't being used in raid... :P

More seriously... I have no words, only some small spark of hope that this is satire/parody being pasted here. If it's serious... as someone who wrote add-ons back in the WildStar world (where they were officially supported), the level of sheer entitlement there demanding an update from people who almost assuredly do this in their spare time is just...

I have no words.

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I too hope this is just complete satire.

While I have not been scripting anything myself, I make no efforts to hide that I know a lot about 3rd party tools. So far, every bit of content I have seen in this game can easily be done without those tools, now more than ever since they added the damage types and partylist effect durations. Even the dreaded Gaol Line from Titan in UW Ultimate can be done with either simply calling a number via voice or using self-marking if you notice a marker below you.

Source: on my way of clearing every single content in the game, short of only Deep Dungeons, DRS, UCoB and DSR (and soon TOP).

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

I present round 2

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Thal’s balls. It’s so freaking cringe

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

I present round 2

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Doxing in any part of the FFXIV community?


GCBTW!

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

What f***ing plugins does this person need to actually go in an unironic round 2 of complete unhinging...?!

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He'll either get banned eventually or harassed into the ground by those already there. That server has pretty low patience for people like that.

Also if the poster is the one that posted the address, I'm putting my bet down that it's not even the person's real address and one they scooped off Google Maps.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

I present round 2

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I wish that player a Merry Cringemas... ._.

the only thing keeping this topic alive is someone to keep necrobumping it.

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Originally Posted by george357

the only thing keeping this topic alive is someone to keep necrobumping it.

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Bro that's the second time I've seen you incorrectly use the term "necrobumping".

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

SE can fix that with their client, and they should, likewise stop recording to combat logs as well.

And yes they should due to it creates an unfair advantage against Console users.

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Or they could just, y'know, continue taking wholesale the best of what those plugins have to offer and integrating them into the base game (many of them being fairly obvious improvements requested since ARR).

Free labor exploited, game improves for everyone; win-win.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

What f***ing plugins does this person need to actually go in an unironic round 2 of complete unhinging...?!

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Someone described the program he is waiting for as “trigganometry on steroids” so I assume it is a cactbot style program with more hand holding. I personally have never heard of this program until image 1 was released.

Homie is just desperate to have his cake and eat it too, got so accustomed to playing the game with assistance but doesn’t want anyone to know.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Someone described the program he is waiting for as “trigganometry on steroids” so I assume it is a cactbot style program with more hand holding. I personally have never heard of this program until image 1 was released.

Homie is just desperate to have his cake and eat it too, got so accustomed to playing the game with assistance but doesn’t want anyone to know.

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There is another screenshot floating around but I doubt it is by the same person:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...0492/image.png

Still funny tho.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

There is another screenshot floating around but I doubt it is by the same person:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...0492/image.png

Still funny tho.

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Imagine being unable to play the game without XIV combo.

While a horrible solution in general, you can literally macro that shit. Something like this:

/ac "Fast Blade"
/hotbar copy <syntax to copy Riot Blade macro from another hotbar on another class)
/micon "Fast Blade"

Create one for each required combo button, make combo finisher cycle back to combo starter.

Downsides:
- requires some macro knowledge
- usual downsides of macros like no skill queueing
- requires a fair bit of trigger discipline

Upside:
- budget workaround for nonexistence of XIVcombo (creates PVP style combos and puts certain logical abilities behind each other, like Ikishoten -> Ogi Namikiri -> Keishi: Namikiri)

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

- usual downsides of macros like no skill queueing

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If only Square would finally rework macros, mouseover usage and party frames. Even just a horizontal party list would be a massive QoL change. Coupled with working mouseover with proper skill queuing they could strike off another plugin from their list.

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Originally Posted by Shialan

If only Square would finally rework macros, mouseover usage and party frames. Even just a horizontal party list would be a massive QoL change. Coupled with working mouseover with proper skill queuing they could strike off another plugin from their list.

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You're forgetting that Square Enix are a small indie company and unless we buy more mogstation items, they can't deliver this kind of content. Something like that anyway copium.

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Originally Posted by Johners

You're forgetting that Square Enix are a small indie company and unless we buy more mogstation items, they can't deliver this kind of content. Something like that anyway copium.

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Funnily enough, there is a plugin that lets you rearrange the party list elements massively, like stacking HP + MP on top of each other, rearranging where the job icon sits, etc.

Also one with a much more comfortable mouse over without macro requirement.

And also one that allows macro queueing.

But don't worry, I am TOS-conform, I never used any it. *wink*

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Funnily enough, there is a plugin that lets you rearrange the party list elements massively, like stacking HP + MP on top of each other, rearranging where the job icon sits, etc.

Also one with a much more comfortable mouse over without macro requirement.

And also one that allows macro queueing.

But don't worry, I am TOS-conform, I never used any it. *wink*

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You only know it from your cousin's best friend who has an uncle (who works at nintendo) whose coworker has seen a video of those plugins, right?

Buddy of mine says he uses them because he can't be assed to remember 10 years worth of content, 100+ trials/dungeons/raids etc, especially in EX and above. He knew the mechanics when they were relevant but has since moved on to current stuff.

The callouts are just a little verbal thing that helps his brain remember. And you know what? I can't fault him for that. This game has a massive backlog of content that you could be thrown into if you do the roulettes regularly.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Buddy of mine says he uses them because he can't be assed to remember 10 years worth of content, 100+ trials/dungeons/raids etc, especially in EX and above. He knew the mechanics when they were relevant but has since moved on to current stuff.

The callouts are just a little verbal thing that helps his brain remember. And you know what? I can't fault him for that. This game has a massive backlog of content that you could be thrown into if you do the roulettes regularly.

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Doesnt your buddy understand that he is singlehandedly causing the downfall of the entire game, the entire genre even??????????

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Doesnt your buddy understand that he is singlehandedly causing the downfall of the entire game, the entire genre even??????????

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Yeah, his friend is killing the game. It's his duty turn him over to the nearest law enforcement agency.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Imagine being unable to play the game without XIV combo.

While a horrible solution in general, you can literally macro that shit. Something like this:

/ac "Fast Blade"
/hotbar copy <syntax to copy Riot Blade macro from another hotbar on another class)
/micon "Fast Blade"

Create one for each required combo button, make combo finisher cycle back to combo starter.

Downsides:
- requires some macro knowledge
- usual downsides of macros like no skill queueing
- requires a fair bit of trigger discipline

Upside:
- budget workaround for nonexistence of XIVcombo (creates PVP style combos and puts certain logical abilities behind each other, like Ikishoten -> Ogi Namikiri -> Keishi: Namikiri)

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To be fair, I imagine that addon probably doesn't have the issues that macro have with its built in 1s delay. Some people just weirdly want the pvp style of pressing 1 button.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

To be fair, I imagine that addon probably doesn't have the issues that macro have with its built in 1s delay. Some people just weirdly want the pvp style of pressing 1 button.

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Yeah that’s why he prefaced it with “horrible solution”

I would never ever macro combat abilities like that together specifically for the internal 1s delay, but in theory it works. It’s not good, it’s a pretty big dps loss, but it works

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Originally Posted by Ransu

To be fair, I imagine that addon probably doesn't have the issues that macro have with its built in 1s delay. Some people just weirdly want the pvp style of pressing 1 button.

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If that ever became the action standard in PvE content I'd just put all 3 copies of the button next to each other and treat it no different LMAO.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

I present round 2

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I sure hope that's satire. If not...That's equal parts funny and sad.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I sure hope that's satire. If not...That's equal parts funny and sad.

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having watched it live, im not sure, but god is it amusing

i wont reveal any info of the self dox, but it did lead to an actual residence

I think the point is that people want stuff to work out of the box. It's nice if some QoL gets implemented no matter how (looking at you, buff timers).

I just don't like the fact that you buy a game and then you are expected to download 10 add-ons or you are out. That's BS. I take whatever SE implements and may use the one that mustn't be named that starts with p when I play on PC but other than that I'm not going out of my way. I think how the other MMO does it is utterly ridiculous in that regard.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I think the point is that people want stuff to work out of the box. It's nice if some QoL gets implemented no matter how (looking at you, buff timers).

I just don't like the fact that you buy a game and then you are expected to download 10 add-ons or you are out. That's BS.

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Players should not expect other players to download addons. But SE should also not expect players to not create and download addons that fix blatant mistakes and oversights in the game's design. QoL and common sense should be there from the beginning. Players shouldn't need an addon to put ears back on their Hrothgar. They shouldn't have needed an addon that stops the camera from spinning in Legacy mode and shows the length of people's buffs and debuffs. Why did it take 10 years to fix something like that? In base game we still cannot see the damage type of an attack being cast despite the fact that damage reduction abilities only work when used during the cast.

And players should not need an addon to fix the issue where lag prevents people from double or single weaving, that the devs don't even realise is an issue despite the threads about it and at least two addons that exist to fix the problem. SE even needed players to find what was wrong with the login queue at EW launch. The devs really need to take a hard look at the defects in their product, and luckily it seems like they are starting to do that.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I think the point is that people want stuff to work out of the box. It's nice if some QoL gets implemented no matter how (looking at you, buff timers).

I just don't like the fact that you buy a game and then you are expected to download 10 add-ons or you are out. That's BS. I take whatever SE implements and may use the one that mustn't be named that starts with p when I play on PC but other than that I'm not going out of my way. I think how the other MMO does it is utterly ridiculous in that regard.

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Their party their rules.

You're free to start your own static where it's not mandatory.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

SE can fix that with their client, and they should, likewise stop recording to combat logs as well.

And yes they should due to it creates an unfair advantage against Console users.

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The day they ever break ACT to a point where it can't get around their anti-"cheat" is the day their raid scene dies. And they know that. Which is one of the reasons they're never going to touch parsers but forever keep them in a grey area. It's simply far too beneficial for them.

If you're primarily referring to triggers and such. Several of the well known programs can get around the battle log if they ever needed to. The only way you're breaking add-ons is through anti-cheat software everyone will be forced to download. Which creates its own problem, and may not even work. Guild Wars 2 tried that when mods started becoming more prevalent. People got around it within a week. Much like ACT, Square simply benefits too much from the sheer number of people using mods nowadays. Losing ten of thousands of subs just to for the sake of purity isn't something they'll want to do.

FFXIV in 2023:

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

FFXIV in 2023:

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sure, keep pretending like that hasn't always been the case nor that it hasn't been the same for other MMOs.

OP sounds like a Fox news or right wing announcer.
Blustered and angry, trying to incite rage over their personal beliefs, regardless of how wrong they are, or how little the issue affects them.

I use a 3rd party tool to play the game too and im glad it works regardless of the patch cycle.
I mean, without windows 10, a 3rd party tool, my mouse and keyboard wouldn't work nor would the game!
I also use Nvidia software to enhance my graphics like a total monster OP claims we all are lol.
I keep in touch with my FC through Discord, so that's 3 named 3rd party tools i use, and likely countless to keep the game running i don't know exist but im using lol.

0 out of 10 post OP

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Originally Posted by Sililos

OP sounds like a Fox news or right wing announcer.
Blustered and angry, trying to incite rage over their personal beliefs, regardless of how wrong they are, or how little the issue affects them.

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Imagine dragging politics into this and expecting anyone to believe rage bating is only the tool of one side.

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Originally Posted by Joven

Imagine dragging politics into this and expecting anyone to believe rage bating is only the tool of one side.

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What could possibly go wrong? :p

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

What could possibly go wrong? :p

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