This new SYSTEM DOESN'T Work

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

You seem to be awfully offended at the statement that RMT is bad and housing shouldn't be hoarded when there's a limited supply. One FC owning an entire ward is unacceptable. One person owning multiple houses is unnacceptable when there's not enough for everyone. It shoudln't be some hot take to say that. Maybe you're the one who needs to go touch grass if you feel the need to come to the housing forums just to defend your decision to have multiple houses.

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I would agree that it should be unacceptable considering the limitations of the ward system that SE has chosen to use.

Clearly SE disagrees with both of us since they do allow it. We need to stop finger pointing at the players doing what SE allows.

It's on SE's shoulders to make changes to the system and either disallow house ownership beyond the one personal/one FC per service account, or to add enough wards that all players who want to own a house can do not only that but also own multiple houses if they desire without what one player having impacting what another player can have.

Using a fully instanced housing system would have made that very easy to achieve and probably would have been far less expensive than the ward system they picked. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

You seem to be awfully offended at the statement that RMT is bad and housing shouldn't be hoarded when there's a limited supply. One FC owning an entire ward is unacceptable. One person owning multiple houses is unnacceptable when there's not enough for everyone. It shoudln't be some hot take to say that. Maybe you're the one who needs to go touch grass if you feel the need to come to the housing forums just to defend your decision to have multiple houses.

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Oh jeez. That's what you get from my comments? RMT is bad. Accusing people who own multiple houses of being RMT'ers is just as bad. Back up your claims with evidence and report it to SE. Your whining over pixelated houses isn't going to change a thing.

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Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim

Oh jeez. That's what you get from my comments? RMT is bad. Accusing people who own multiple houses of being RMT'ers is just as bad. Back up your claims with evidence and report it to SE. Your whining over pixelated houses isn't going to change a thing.

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At this point i don't care but the below is just plain world of suck for private buyers:
https://i.imgur.com/f6zNDdc.png

It only doesn't work until it does work, keep trying.

I really disliked typing that comedy bit of a sentence. :V

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Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim

Oh jeez. That's what you get from my comments? RMT is bad. Accusing people who own multiple houses of being RMT'ers is just as bad. Back up your claims with evidence and report it to SE. Your whining over pixelated houses isn't going to change a thing.

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You're a new account that only has posts are in the housing forum defending house hoarders and multiple house owners when there isn't enough supply to go around. Your intentions are blatantly obvious.

I think it might even up as the system allows folks to time out again, but they need to implement a method of forcing folks who got grandfathered in with the system in the first place lose all but one of their plots.

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Originally Posted by Saya_Shriogane

At this point i don't care but the below is just plain world of suck for private buyers:
https://i.imgur.com/f6zNDdc.png

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That's currently a FC ward and has been since 6.1 (before that it would have been mixed). It has zero impact on private buyers unless SE were to change the ward from FC to private.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

That's the definition of lottery - the odds are commonly exceedingly low. But this is a raffle. That's besides the point though.

The lottery system is operating just fine. It picks one player from the list of bids. No placard spamming. No fighting with auto-clickers. It is doing exactly what it should. The problem is the supply. Lottery was never designed to fix supply. And in the near future, SE is adding more wards which will address supply.

And my advice for when that happens - if you own no house, go after a smalls only. Mediums and Larges will have a much higher volume of bids by players that own smalls, mediums or not plot at all. Whereas smalls will likely only have bids by the homeless. Your best shot is the first lottery period on a small.

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Have to respectfully disagree. On Coeurl more often then not smalls have way way more bids then medium and larges. Problem is we have way too many homeless ppl on our server where even our apartments have a hard time meeting demands in some wards. So I've just started bidding on a medium or large as I've had better odds.

FFXIV homeless problem is a real issue, I see the streets littered with them.

Mogshop should sell a minion that is a cardboard box. Working like the sun minion, you can position it in someone's garden and sit inside.

(Only a few weeks to go for 6 more wards - so put your bid in ON A SMALL PLOT IN GOBLET if you really want a house, stop trying to get a LB41 and throwing your hands up in disgust)

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Mogshop should sell a minion that is a cardboard box. Working like the sun minion, you can position it in someone's garden and sit inside.

(Only a few weeks to go for 6 more wards - so put your bid in ON A SMALL PLOT IN GOBLET if you really want a house, stop trying to get a LB41 and throwing your hands up in disgust)

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I disagree, it will be the only chance for one to get a LB-41 when the new wards open.

If anything, go for your dream plot and if that fails, there's still plenty of small plots to go around next round whereas if you go for a Goblet small the 1st round, you can forever say byebye to ever getting an upgrade to a LB-41.

Your words will not trick me!

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Originally Posted by DeNada

I disagree, it will be the only chance for one to get a LB-41 when the new wards open.

If anything, go for your dream plot and if that fails, there's still plenty of small plots to go around next round whereas if you go for a Goblet small the 1st round, you can forever say byebye to ever getting an upgrade to a LB-41.

Your words will not trick me!

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Assuming you have the gil you can buy multiple auction tickets (different locations) at the same time. So you can if you want to bid on 5 different med houses and a few smalls to better ensure you get a house.

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Originally Posted by Bladehawk

Assuming you have the gil you can buy multiple auction tickets (different locations) at the same time. So you can if you want to bid on 5 different med houses and a few smalls to better ensure you get a house.

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Umm, no, you can't do this. You get one bid per character per Lottery period. One. That's it.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Umm, no, you can't do this. You get one bid per character per Lottery period. One. That's it.

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As a one person FC you can :) 8 Tickets for your own House if you set it up as an FC.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

As a one person FC you can :) 8 Tickets for your own House if you set it up as an FC.

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I thought you needed 8 fc members (turning it into a method of gauging active fcs against inactive ones, I always felt an fc should lose all the money they bid if they win, not just the winning bid and keep the money from all their other buds but that's just me)

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Originally Posted by shadowclasper

I thought you needed 8 fc members (turning it into a method of gauging active fcs against inactive ones, I always felt an fc should lose all the money they bid if they win, not just the winning bid and keep the money from all their other buds but that's just me)

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You mean to set up a FC and enter in a lottery for a FC house? I'm not sure where you're getting the number 8 from.

Requires a petition holder and 3 signatures from other characters to set up a FC. It can be done using just 2 service accounts (whether owned by the same or different players) - one has the character with the petition, the other has the characters for the other 3 signatures needed.

The FC needs to have 4 members to enter the lottery. Only the members that have been in the FC for 30 days or more can enter on behalf of the FC.

If someone wants to stack the odds in their favor, they could use all 8 characters we're allowed to have on a single world and account in the same FC (though those characters would each have needed to be in the FC for 30 days.

It's not the number of members that defines an active versus inactive FC. It's whether any are logging in to play. A FC with only one player logging in is still an active FC.

Considering members are usually contributing their personal gil to enter for their FC (FCs have no good way to earn gil as a FC before they get a house), it would be more detrimental to legitimate FCs to require the gil from additional bids to be forfeited than it would be to wealthy individual players using solo FCs to get more houses. I could give up 200 million gil on some sort of gil sink (like buying more houses) and not care. Loss of that much gil would be devastating to most legitimate FCs and their members.

There are no good solutions here short of SE going to an instanced housing system so what one player or FC has makes no difference to what another player or FC can get. Any sort of restrictions that SE tries to place on ownership with the ward system will either also have ways to work around those restrictions or will add negatives to the game experience for those not trying to abuse the system.

Don't add Dynamis in that count. They are not getting new wards. There are plenty of personal houses if you want a small.

not on Seraph. Shirogane, LB, Mists and ishgard are sold out. Dunno about the Goblet, but if there are houses available its not many.

seraph is sold out of personal houses. There are some available this round but they are all ones that had been purchased before and relinquished just like on the larger servers. Seraph could have really used the new wards. I'm thinking they are going to end up making all the new wards FC only for a few rounds, which is why Dynamis can't have them, cause even Seraph has quite a few FC ones left. Then when they open to personal in March or something, they will let Dynamis have them.
I hope not tho cause that will leave like no Larges and Mediums on older worlds.

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Originally Posted by justausername

seraph is sold out of personal houses. There are some available this round but they are all ones that had been purchased before and relinquished just like on the larger servers. Seraph could have really used the new wards. I'm thinking they are going to end up making all the new wards FC only for a few rounds, which is why Dynamis can't have them, cause even Seraph has quite a few FC ones left. Then when they open to personal in March or something, they will let Dynamis have them.
I hope not tho cause that will leave like no Larges and Mediums on older worlds.

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You could be right that that the new wards are all going to be reserved for FCs only till a later date.

Otherwise, there's no good reason why SE is holding the ward split so close to their heart and did not reveal it during yesterday's live letter since it would risk having a player backlash which they would want to avoid tainting their big live letter reveal.

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Originally Posted by DeNada

You could be right that that the new wards are all going to be reserved for FCs only till a later date.

Otherwise, there's no good reason why SE is holding the ward split so close to their heart and did not reveal it during yesterday's live letter since it would risk having a player backlash which they would want to avoid tainting their big live letter reveal.

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They've generally waited until the week before with the other announcements so no reason for it to be different this time.

Again, hoping they individualize splits according to need by world instead of giving them all the same split. Some from non-Crystal worlds say they still have a decent number of plots available in their FC wards so it would make more sense to make those all personal (or at most set one aside for FCs). Crystal needs plots for FCs in addition to personals.

I think it's more likely that there'll be 3 fc wards and 3 player wards each myself.

*checks the new ward classifications*

oh boooooi

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Originally Posted by shadowclasper

I think it's more likely that there'll be 3 fc wards and 3 player wards each myself.

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Whelp I was wrong, but it's infavor of the soloplayers so maybe this'll work out