Relic Weapon Revival (06/06/2012)

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Originally Posted by DarthTaru

You don't need an LS to farm marmot pelts. Have at it.

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What an idiot. I'm sure everyone is sick of RNG the only content that has been done properly is Garuda. This game is more punishing than XI with its content tbh.

I promote many other ways to get the note! That way we don't have to repeat only the Hamlet Defense, but we can also do other less boring things too, so when you don't feel like Hamleting you can go doing something else

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Originally Posted by Firon

What an idiot. I'm sure everyone is sick of RNG the only content that has been done properly is Garuda. This game is more punishing than XI with its content tbh.

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Garuda would of been proper except for the exploit.

Now everyone, many who can not beat it now, what 7/7 of these weapons.

Yeah, proper. Lawl.

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

The you can be one of the masses without the best gear in the game.

Thank you.

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This is such a joke. Take primal weapons for example, how are they at all better than a tripple melded crafted weapon? You don't even know what the stats on these weapons are, you are just spewing speculative bull. I would like to believe that your effort will be rewarded with "the best gear in the game" but thus far, only RNG rewards you with the best gear in the game. Learn to read you freakin tool.

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

Garuda would of been proper except for the exploit.

Now everyone, many who can not beat it now, what 7/7 of these weapons.

Yeah, proper. Lawl.

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Where's that meme...

When you complete Hamlet there is one single chest for the entire PT. So it is only possible to get one seal at a time on any given run.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

When you complete Hamlet there is one single chest for the entire PT. So it is only possible to get one seal at a time on any given run.

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Thanks for the clarification.

So you claim to have 28% drop rate. Is that with 60K points? Others claim to have much less % drop rate, just saying.

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Originally Posted by Matsume

This is such a joke. Take primal weapons for example, how are they at all better than a tripple melded crafted weapon? You don't even know what the stats on these weapons are, you are just spewing speculative bull. I would like to believe that your effort will be rewarded with "the best gear in the game" but thus far, only RNG rewards you with the best gear in the game. Learn to read you freakin tool.

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Obviously, you know nothing.

Nothing beats raw damage in a parse.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

I enter Hamlet on Dragoon every day.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

i let people into my group as dragoon all the time too

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

Athalia is amazing on Dragoon in Hamlets.
Having one meelee in the mix, really helps to disperse the mobs and ensure the NPC's kill the special weapon mobs.

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Looks like I need new friends!

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Originally Posted by Yumi_Hibiki

wait they don't just hand it to me? so not worth the hassle then...
god forbid something as boring as legendary weapons actually take some effort to get amirite?

on a serious note: looks like the first long time goal content, very nice^~^

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I dont think people want it handed to them, what we dont want is to spend months in hamlet trying to get the horridly low dropped rate seals which isnt challenging just a long grind. I would have much preferred multiple difficult group quests.

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

Obviously, you know nothing.

Nothing beats raw damage in a parse.

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And raw damage does what for a white mage...?

What about that mage staff that gives you +MP when you physically hit the mob?

What freaking world do you live in? It's like you close your eyes and plug your ears screaming "LALALA" while aiming at a random post to type some completely irrelevant remark at.

Amanda, Do all of the other posts of this nature:

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Originally Posted by Krausus

I dont think people want it handed to them, what we dont want is to spend months in hamlet trying to get the horridly low dropped rate seals which isnt challenging just a long grind. I would have much preferred multiple difficult group quests.

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not appear on your monitor or are you just trolling me to inflate your epeen?

A WHM don't need healing stats on their weapon.

Most WHM tend to over cure anyway.

True story.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

I dont think people want it handed to them, what we dont want is to spend months in hamlet trying to get the horridly low dropped rate seals which isnt challenging just a long grind. I would have much preferred multiple difficult group quests.

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It could very well still be hamlet just stop with the random drops, This should have been handle Via Assault style in XI. Do quest finish quest you get points. That's it they are not gonna be able to make quest hard enough to warrent them a challenge.

Also to the cat dude, not everyone ran in with 5 blm getting garuda weps retard.

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

So true.

Those who can't get into organized groups are going to be left in the dust when 2.0 rolls out.

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Really don't see how SE would want that though.

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

A WHM don't need healing stats on their weapon.

Most WHM tend to over cure anyway.

True story.

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Confirmed. You pretend that all the pertinent points of your argumentative adversary don't exist (mp proc on physical strike lolwat for the third time) then dismember their argument by saying something completely stupid.

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Originally Posted by Matsume

Confirmed. You pretend that all the pertinent points of your argumentative adversary don't exist (mp proc on physical strike lolwat for the third time) then dismember their argument by saying something completely stupid.

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He is just an idiot True story. People say they want this game less like XI but this game is far worse with content than XI IMO it just beats you like a slave till one day it sets you free with a random drop.

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Originally Posted by Matsume

Confirmed. You pretend that all the pertinent points of your argumentative adversary don't exist (mp proc on physical strike lolwat for the third time) then dismember their argument by saying something completely stupid.

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Awww you're so cute. You flame when you begin to lose.

Can I take you home to keep as a pet?

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Originally Posted by Matsume

Thanks for the clarification.

So you claim to have 28% drop rate. Is that with 60K points? Others claim to have much less % drop rate, just saying.

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There is a theory floating around that the seal drop rate % may increase with tiers. I've notice that it seems to drop a lot more with 60k+ than it does with 50k+ but we can't really say for sure. There have been times when we've gotten 4 seals back to back but another time we go hours without one.

One thing is for sure though. Militia Hats/Legs drop rate is ridiculously low.

Oh look! Once again, there's a quest that everyone is going try... and it involves Ul'dah and Gridania, but not Limsa.

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Originally Posted by Firon

It could very well still be hamlet just stop with the random drops, This should have been handle Via Assault style in XI. Do quest finish quest you get points. That's it they are not gonna be able to make quest hard enough to warrent them a challenge.

Also to the cat dude, not everyone ran in with 5 blm getting garuda weps retard.

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Oh I dunno, they could make say a parts quests, each more difficult then AF body quest and harder as you go, say 5 quests in total each rewarding materials for the weapon or ending with a large beastman NPC that is difficult to kill, anything but a random number generator on a seal drop

also odd enough the cat dude part was cut out of your post somehow making it look like you where referring to me about garuda but it showed up in the quote

edit: nvm its showing correctly now

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

Awww you're so cute. You flame when you begin to lose.

Can I take you home to keep as a pet?

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How is that a flame in any way shape or form?

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Originally Posted by Firon

He is just an idiot True story. People say they want this game less like XI but this game is far worse with content than XI IMO it just beats you like a slave till one day it sets you free with a random drop.

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nuff said, you have no likes Amanda, you poor poor soul.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

Oh I dunno, they could make say a parts quests, each more difficult then AF body quest and harder as you go, say 5 quests in total each rewarding materials for the weapon or ending with a large beastman NPC that is difficult to kill, anything but a random number generator on a seal drop

also odd enough the cat dude part was cut out of your post somehow making it look like you where referring to me about garuda but it showed up in the quote

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Yeah i had to edit it i didn't want to seem like i was attacking you sorry about that.

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nuff said, you have no likes, you poor poor soul.

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I played XI for Seven years the only content that made me angry was getting drops from HNM's that's it. All my hard work got rewarded in XI, Campaign, Assault, Relic weapons/Shield, Mythic weps, Everything was a sense of progression, the biggest offenders was that only content mnk was good in forgot the name, and HNM's.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

There is a theory floating around that the seal drop rate % may increase with tiers. I've notice that it seems to drop a lot more with 60k+ than it does with 50k+ but we can't really say for sure. There have been times when we've gotten 4 seals back to back but another time we go hours without one.

One thing is for sure though. Militia Hats/Legs drop rate is ridiculously low.

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yes well that would be logical, I mean, that the drop rate would increase in accordance to your points earned (ie skill) but that doesn't seem to be the case in regards other content.

My whole point on peoples disinterest in hamlet was and is still based on the low militia drop rates and you've only gone to prove that. Furthermore this reinforces my point that SE tied relic weapons to keep alive what was a failing interested in hamlet defense due to the incredibly low drop rate on this gear.

and amanda has brought what to this conversation? thanks for your contribution zezlar, at least you make an effort.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Yeah i had to edit it i didn't want to seem like i was attacking you sorry about that.

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no worries I was confused at first, looks like it is showing correctly now

Does anyone have suggestions on how to make sure the boss doesn't get stuck on archers? My group has no problem with the strategy of getting +50k points but our plans all goes to hell when the NM gets stuck on the archers, come hell, high water, or enmity reset. If we can figure that part out, maybe it'd be a little less obnoxious to do this thing hundreds of times.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Yeah i had to edit it i didn't want to seem like i was attacking you sorry about that.



I played XI for Seven years the only content that made me angry was getting drops from HNM's that's it. All my hard work got rewarded in XI, Campaign, Assault, Relic weapons/Shield, Mythic weps, Everything was a sense of progression, the biggest offenders was that only content mnk was good in forgot the name, and HNM's.

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That comment was directed at amanda, not you firon, hope you didn't take it that way. I was just using your quote to support my view that Amanda is completely ignorant of everyone elses point of view except her own. Thanks again for your contribution though.

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Originally Posted by Matsume

That comment was directed at amanda, not you firon, hope you didn't take it that way. I was just using your quote to support my view that Amanda is completely ignorant of everyone elses point of view except her own. Thanks again for your contribution though.

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Oh no nothing like that i just pointing how XI content didn't punish you as much as this game.

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Originally Posted by echogame

Does anyone have suggestions on how to make sure the boss doesn't get stuck on archers? My group has no problem with the strategy of getting +50k points but our plans all goes to hell when the NM gets stuck on the archers, come hell, high water, or enmity reset. If we can figure that part out, maybe it'd be a little less obnoxious to do this thing hundreds of times.

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this is pretty much why you need pld or war to do it, they need to use all their abilities to get him away from them(vokes and whatnot too)
and you probly need to start in on him right away when he spawns to make sure you get a good head start

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

this is pretty much why you need pld or war to do it, they need to use all their abilities to get him away from them(vokes and whatnot too)
and you probly need to start in on him right away when he spawns to make sure you get a good head start

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this.... your tank gets all the hate they can right when it spawns and then goes and kites it some where.... and they have to voke/flash it every time it runs off and take it back to the kitting area...... and no HP down if it gets under 50%

Very eager to see what the next step of progression is for these weapons. :)

I believe everyone would be content if they used a time based system over drop rate which was apparently in XI. Why choose not to use systems that work just because it was used in it's predecessor?

Hmmm heres to hoping that SE doesn't give us something that no one can enjoy.

Sorry to be off topic but, this is interesting..

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At the time of its making, three other swords were struck from the same ore and forged in the same fires. These brethren blades, Curtana among them, were then gifted to the three noble paladins by whose hand the brotherhood of the Sultansworn was founded.

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"Curtana was also, according to legend, the sword of Ogier the Dane; it bore the inscription "My name is Cortana, of the same steel and temper as Joyeuse and Durendal." It is supposed to have originally been Tristan's sword, and gained the name "Cortana" when it was "cut down" to fit Ogier"

Does this mean we will be able to upgrade to the other 2 sword and the 4th un-named one is legendary?

The fourth sword is more than like Excalibur.
Howevre, that would in fact make sense

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Originally Posted by Krausus

I dont think people want it handed to them, what we dont want is to spend months in hamlet trying to get the horridly low dropped rate seals which isnt challenging just a long grind. I would have much preferred multiple difficult group quests.

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This.

I wouldnt mind a challenge to get these weapons or anything else for that matter but when you make it a ridiculous grind it makes me more resistant to getting it. Which, as I have said before, is why I flat out refused to get an empy in xi and have actually since quit.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Those are Relics and not AF.. they wont be easy to obtain at all and since you have to finish multiple Steps and getting the 9 Seals is just the first, im kinda glad its "somewhat hard" to get.

Finally something to do, which im really after.

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LMAO really some what hard to get??? No they are not hard to get. Getting the 9 seals is a boring grinding spam fest. It is no different than AV and CC. The content is easy it is that simple. There is nothing hard about it, it comes down to random luck as well as low drop rates. So far to date all content is random luck, low drop rates, spammable content, grind fest, and easy to do, if this is the kind of content that is planned for 2.0 it wont be worth it. There is no reason what so ever to have to do the same damn fight, raid or what no that never changes is so damn boreing it isnt even funny. Boreing isnt fun and most if not all the content to date needs a major over haul so that it isnt the same shit different day period!!

Ahh, Curtana. The only one of it's kind ever ma--hey! What are those other paladins wielding? Those look just like MY Curtana!!

Hooray for single-player storylines in an MMO... <_<

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Originally Posted by Aveline

Ahh, Curtana. The only one of it's kind ever ma--hey! What are those other paladins wielding? Those look just like MY Curtana!!

Hooray for single-player storylines in an MMO... <_<

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You haven't done the Dragoon storyline yet, have you? >_>

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Originally Posted by Skies

You haven't done the Dragoon storyline yet, have you? >_>

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It was the first AF I completed actually and I raged about that one too XD Lazy writers.

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“A Relic Reborn” is a repeatable quest. After completing it and obtaining a relic weapon, it may be begun again to obtain a different relic weapon. It is not possible, however, to progress towards two different relic weapons simultaneously. Should you wish to pursue a different relic weapon while “A Relic Reborn” is already underway, you must abandon the quest and begin anew. Epic challenges and hard work await those who undertake “A Relic Reborn,” so please choose the object of your desire carefully, lest you find yourself coveting your neighbor’s weapon!

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This makes me think you only need to collect the seals and the "Note" one time. Then you can start the AF weapon quest for any weapons. Cause why...after collecting 9 seals and 25k GC seals would you abandon the quest, gather your stuffs again, and start a new weapon AF quest.

Which if that is the case, Hamlet Defense is not too bad at all for a starting point. But I really hope there is a story behind it, as to how Hamlet Defense ties into getting these.

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LMAO really some what hard to get??? No they are not hard to get. Getting the 9 seals is a boring grinding spam fest. It is no different than AV and CC. The content is easy it is that simple. There is nothing hard about it, it comes down to random luck....

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A lot of content is based on luck I'll agree with that. But there is always the skill aspect to consider.

Raids rely on time, skill and organization to get all chests and pre-requisites for those chests. It's not until that point where the RNG comes in to play to decide what drop you'll get. More chests ='s better %. Doing the pre-req's brings your % from 0 up to 1% ^^

Hamlet Defense is a bit better. More skill ='s better Score. Better Score ='s much higher %


Maybe they could add a point system to the Raids. So at least you could see how close you are to achieving your goal (% drop rate)