Once we're not getting any new races, wouldn't it be nice if Elezen's got an update?

Design-wise I like Elezen. I just think they could do with less stiff-looking animations.

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Originally Posted by Hailen

First I'll say this is not a jab at Elezen players, y'all just deserve better quality.

Ill be Frank, the Elezen race has a lot of issues. The most common complaints are that their heads are way too small and their walking animations are stiff. In most other games, elves are insanely popular but in FFXIV they aren't because they look really awkward. There's also a lack of face options compared to other races.

Some might say their small heads are a racial trait. Look at their proportions in the concept art, their small heads are absolutely not a racial trait.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/67...63df52eb16.jpg

With the dev team wanting to stop with adding more races, I was wondering if it would be possible to update older races, especially elezen. Making their heads a little bigger, adding more varied faces and adding mocap animation shouldn't be too much of a problem I think.

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You can make ugly look any better. I'm sorry but they are the ugliest females hands down in the game.

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Originally Posted by Hailen

First I'll say this is not a jab at Elezen players, y'all just deserve better quality.

Ill be Frank, the Elezen race has a lot of issues. The most common complaints are that their heads are way too small and their walking animations are stiff. In most other games, elves are insanely popular but in FFXIV they aren't because they look really awkward. There's also a lack of face options compared to other races.

Some might say their small heads are a racial trait. Look at their proportions in the concept art, their small heads are absolutely not a racial trait.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/67...63df52eb16.jpg

With the dev team wanting to stop with adding more races, I was wondering if it would be possible to update older races, especially elezen. Making their heads a little bigger, adding more varied faces and adding mocap animation shouldn't be too much of a problem I think.

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I've wanted to be an elezen but their faces are incredibly bland. They all look too similar & there is no uniqueness between them
Their faces are too small, and their chins are really pointed like daggers
They have no jawline to give their face a better shape
They need new faces that have more attractive & unique features
Elezen need a skin revamp- natural blush, new facial features, skin tone touch-ups & contouring & more face varieties.
They need a colour revamp- If I want to dye by elezens hair red, her eyelashes shouldnt change with her hair colour. That should be optional.
Some of the faces lack any shading or contouring & just look like plastic- not to mention most female elezen look manly

They need longer hairstyles (that are flattering, similar to Venat's hair)

Male Elezen need Beards- why Cid is the only person to be able to grow a beard is beyond me

Just make Elezen hot and people will play them.

Slender, sleek LOTR styled elves.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Slender, sleek LOTR styled elves.

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You can already have it. :)


Cheers

I should know better than to say this but...
As if non-elezen players ought to have any say in how elezen look or move.
It has been 10 years, most of us are not stuck coping with how the elves look by now.

You know what would be a cool way to satisfy new race lovers, but also people that want updates? Third clans for each race that edit the race in ways that fans have requested, or that might be interesting new additions.

I.e. Elezen looking more like a traditional or half elf. Short Au Ra Men. Dual colored Au Ra. Short Viera. Black Mage faced Lalafell. Etc.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

You know what would be a cool way to satisfy new race lovers, but also people that want updates? Third clans for each race that edit the race in ways that fans have requested, or that might be interesting new additions.

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That isn't any less work for them than creating new races, and they've said the reason for not doing more races is a workload issue.

At most (my own speculation, never suggested by the devs), we might get extra races that have exactly the same body models as existing ones, but it sounds like they don't intend to add any more to the range of gear models they have to manage.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That isn't any less work for them than creating new races, and they've said the reason for not doing more races is a workload issue.

At most (my own speculation, never suggested by the devs), we might get extra races that have exactly the same body models as existing ones, but it sounds like they don't intend to add any more to the range of gear models they have to manage.

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That's not true. It is work, but they could just tweak the models they already have and make them special in some way. Perhaps they could even be unlockable. It would be cool to have some racial stuff to earn in this game.

It's really no less work than to redo the Elezen like people are asking.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

It's really no less work than to redo the Elezen like people are asking.

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They're almost certainly not doing that work anyway, so you can't use that as a measuring stick for what else they'd be willing to do.

I think the models and animations are fine. A few tweaks might be good, or more features, more faces, but overall it's fine that the races are different. The biggest problem with Elezen is how a lot of gear looks on them. The shoulder parts get stretched in a really ugly way.

It's the same problem with male Au Ra; if you wear any kind of outfit with long sleeves that are just slightly wide (or wide gloves) it looks so bad because it gets stretched awkwardly. While on Hrothgar for example sleeves look normal even though their arms are big as well.

So the way gear looks on models should be updated for all races.

Some issues like the necks breaking (it's not just this race, either) might be fixed just as part of the graphical update. Now, this could 100% be said about all of them, but I think what Elezen could use is more faces, especially given of the sheer number of Elezen NPCs in the game (an expansion's worth of them) taking away all the novelty of playing one, at least imo still made a female Elezen alt regardless

I feel like certain races in this game suffer more in terms of face options. Sorta like how male midlander has that one baby goo goo gaga face vs the other three. It's also similar in male elezen, and male miqo'te.
at least for me, it feels off. Like they don't fit, so definitely more options would be a welcome change.

Honestly, hoping they rework the character creator and/or add more features to it. Something closer to "walk style 1-2" and have it switch from their racial animation to maybe a standard universal animation.
Just feel like it would help a lot especially for all the races that have weird walk cycles, mostly looking at female midlander and their mall shopping spree walk lol

Elezen need a reduction in neck length, and Au Ra need to have their horns disconnected from face type. They should also be given some new scale patterns, as well as the claws and fangs their own lore says they have. ....And a muscle slider, given they (or at least Xaela) are supposed to be freakishly strong because of fighting 24/7.

The neck is what makes the Elezen.

No.

I think all the races should get some upgrades. Personally, I wanted to be Au-Ra when they showed up. I have a serious issue with their run animation though; they look like they are running faster than they are and it messes with my head. I'll stick with my giraffe until either humans look less generic or that "I gotta pi$$" run is taken care of.

I want the elves from FF11!

I really wish! I love them but the head with shoulders ratio is just not working well with my glamorous:(

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Au Ra need to have their horns disconnected from face type. They should also be given some new scale patterns, as well as the claws and fangs their own lore says they have.

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What lore says they should have claws and fangs? I have no recollection of this.

It does sometimes (always) feel like Miqo'te are the devs pet race (no punt intended). A variety of great animations, idle poses, gear that is custom designed for them, perfect proportions, can wear everything and still be unique when they want to be.

It would be nice to see Elezen get some love.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

It does sometimes (always) feel like Miqo'te are the devs pet race (no punt intended). A variety of great animations, idle poses, gear that is custom designed for them, perfect proportions, can wear everything and still be unique when they want to be.

It would be nice to see Elezen get some love.

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Miqo'te and Lalafell.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

It does sometimes (always) feel like Miqo'te are the devs pet race (no punt intended). A variety of great animations, idle poses, gear that is custom designed for them, perfect proportions, can wear everything and still be unique when they want to be.

It would be nice to see Elezen get some love.

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Eh recently they've been getting their ears removed a lot more, it feels like.

Iscah, the concept art had them looking kinda demonic

https://i.imgur.com/OKBTAdI.jpeg

somebody said neck

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Originally Posted by Imora

Iscah, the concept art had them looking kinda demonic

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Concept art is the absolute opposite of established lore, though. It's not even as reliable as "they were meant to be X and instead we got Y". It's just one of several potential designs they considered and rejected – and even on the same image as that demon-dragon art you can see faces that are much closer to the final result.

Maybe it was for the look of it, maybe it was practical issues with the implementation, maybe at the time they wanted to not veer too far into the realm of a playable race looking like beastmen. Whatever the reason, that concept was never part of the final design.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Concept art is the absolute opposite of established lore, though. It's not even as reliable as "they were meant to be X and instead we got Y". It's just one of several potential designs they considered and rejected – and even on the same image as that demon-dragon art you can see faces that are much closer to the final result.

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"This looks complicated to work with! No! Tall skinny guys with cartoony small angry eyes and small Eastern waifus it is."

ITT: Yet another thread made by a cat/lizard/bunny girl asking for a race to be changed to better fit their waifu needs. Just play the other races and stop trying to make Elezen another Hyur + body part clone. No waifuication. Go away.

The only thing that I would like to see in 7.0 is better textures and some new faces, especially for FElezen. Fixing the twisting neck in cutscenes would be nice too. Just make it so the neck turns lower down and not directly under the chin.

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Originally Posted by braigiseterre

I'll say I just find it funny that people call Elezen ugly but thirst over characters like Ameliance and Haurchefant, who are just normal Elezen models without custom features.

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People thirst over PCs too. I get far more harassing tells on my Elezens than any of my other characters.

I'd like to see face textures adjusted all-around. Femroe sea wolves you can see pinkish and pores and highlander females get black eye smudges.

I mean great if people want it. I don't.

Look, obviously biased here, but I think Elezen are fine. I think the race in general is a shout out to Amano (who really likes small heads and long necks btw) and people who make their Elezens look good make them look REAL good. I think they need a gfx quality revamp like everybody else and maybe more face options, but that's no different than anyone else.

Sometimes you're just not gonna like what you see, and that's fine. No need to dumb it down for everybody, it was an obvious design choice to make them be all stiff, prim, and proper. Just look at them when they are holding their weapons, they behave just like everybody else at that point. Work with what you have, it's dumb to advocate making them look the way you think they should. And I will say that about any race. If anything, maybe they should sculpt more options in terms of height and width so everyone isn't ~22 and absolutely beautiful all of the time, but they won't do that; no one would.

Seems like part of the perception over shoulder breadth may be due to an overwhelming number of miqote and female au ra players with expressly narrow shoulderlines - a better measurement would be to eye RL examples and variation. Not to say there isn't some light modification that could be done to improve that aspect, but some of the bizarre takes I've seen on some platforms (i.e. not here) have been basically that female elezen (it largely is female elezen that get it in the neck) are masculine.
Then again, we've had the misconception and belief doing the daily rounds that feol viera are shorter/viera need to have a short cute clan...and this is a race fairly well received with a well established history of being tall amazonian ladies.

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Originally Posted by Imora

I'd like to see face textures adjusted all-around. Femroe sea wolves you can see pinkish and pores and highlander females get black eye smudges.

I mean great if people want it. I don't.

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Some of the dark circles can be tweaked away in game if you pick the right skin tone and makeup, but yeah unfortunately that means you cant wear actual visible makeup and hide the dark circles at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Imora

Femroe sea wolves you can see pinkish

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It really bugs me that my very green Sea Wolf has peach-coloured tinges around eyes, ears, fingers, etc. – it's like it's intended to add some texture to more human shades of skin tone, but it doesn't work for the clan at all. They have pink lips as well, by default, though at least I could cover that up by giving her lipstick that matches her skin colour.

I've also found it weird that every time they introduce an even mildly important Sea Wolf character (Merlwyb, Moenbryda, Misija (...they do seem to like M names, don't they?)) they use custom skin tones to make them look more human. Just commit to the weirdness for once and do something interesting with the designs!

My main problem with male elezen is that besides the super young looking face a lot of the faces are super concave.

Pretty sure they said it’s just graphical updates, they arnt touching the skeletons

Regardless, a guy can dream they will make slight necessary changes to them.