6.25 to introduce Rank Demotion. Do you think this will help or hurt the overall PvP

Platinum rank is going to be a mess...a fun and frustrating once all at once. I'm looking forward to see how games evolve for season 3.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

If that were true, I'd be in Crystal right now.

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Take away the ability to lose stars, and yeah you're there. At that point delete rank, because it's no longer a true competition.
I'm happy for those that reached Crystal by any means necessary. They put in the work to get there. My opinion on the Crystal rank, however, isn't going to change. Majority of people should not be sitting in Crystal. It sounds backwards to me.

Rank demotion makes sense... in a system where you play with a fixed party through a season that shares their ranking.

With the system CC actually is where you can only ever solo queue and are beholden to the whims of whatever the matchmaking algorithm decides to throw you into however, I can see this leading to more than a few very frustrated players who get the short end of the RNG stick.

All in all, this change just reinforces my decision to not even bother with ranked CC.

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Originally Posted by Rowde

https://i.imgur.com/qafgiL5.png

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QUESTION!
I thought SE doesn't take 3rd party evidence like youtube/twitch videos into account when issuing warnings and bans. Is this now rescinded? If so, I can't wait to try my hand at playing national geographic on the bots in the game! lol

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

QUESTION!
I thought SE doesn't take 3rd party evidence like youtube/twitch videos into account when issuing warnings and bans. Is this now rescinded? If so, I can't wait to try my hand at playing national geographic on the bots in the game! lol

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If I do it I'll upload the stuff private or unlisted or whatever and just send them the links
makes the reporting process cumbersome as all get out though since it would be necessary to do the uploads first to be able to include the links in the report

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Originally Posted by Rowde

If I do it I'll upload the stuff private or unlisted or whatever and just send them the links
makes the reporting process cumbersome as all get out though since it would be necessary to do the uploads first to be able to include the links in the report

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I figured making it unlisted was the standard since if you made it public then you might as well issue a witch hunt on someone who might have just been in the zone and playing with 100% uptime. lol

It is effortless to climb to Crystal Rank, so you should not fear rank demotion. The system itself will help you to get to Crystal rank no matter how inexperienced/bad you are at PvP.
If you reach Crystal rank and got demoted to Plat 5, you will still receive Crystal Rank rewards, the new system will count your highest rank & rating if you are grinding top 100 AFAIK.
The point is that you don't need to worry about rank demotion.

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Originally Posted by Lacksz

It is effortless to climb to Crystal Rank, so you should not fear rank demotion. The system itself will help you to get to Crystal rank no matter how inexperienced/bad you are at PvP.
If you reach Crystal rank and got demoted to Plat 5, you will still receive Crystal Rank rewards, the new system will count your highest rank & rating if you are grinding top 100 AFAIK.
The point is that you don't need to worry about rank demotion.

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You get the reward for your tier at the end of the season if its like Feast

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Originally Posted by KiraShalen

You get the reward for your tier at the end of the season if its like Feast

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As shown in the most recent live letter, the reward that you receive at the end of the season is based on the highest tier/crystal credit score achieved during the season. It's not based on what tier/crystal credit score you're currently at when the season ends.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

As shown in the most recent live letter, the reward that you receive at the end of the season is based on the highest tier/crystal credit score achieved during the season. It's not based on what tier/crystal credit score you're currently at when the season ends.

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They said that the final ranking is decided by your highest score during the season, but they didn't mention the rewards, afaik?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm.../unknown-2.png

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Originally Posted by KiraShalen

They said that the final ranking is decided by your highest score during the season, but they didn't mention the rewards, afaik?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm.../unknown-2.png

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While the unofficial translation has Yoshi-P stating "If you reach crystal once during the season, this will be saved as your progress for rewards even if you get demoted", there's also one of the slides shown after the one you linked:

https://i.imgur.com/uyo2WqT.png

I don't really think it'll have as much of an overall impact as people think it will, but it might end up with higher-tier queues popping more frequently if people have to play to keep their ranking.

I'd still figure most of the complaints beforehand will stick around, as the majority of the complaints in relation to ranking/matchmaking are just the same from any matchmaking/team-based/pvp objective game on the market.

Either way I kinda got it out of my system after the first season and then just started playing other PvP games to get that fix when I want it. So it's not really something that'll affect me one way or the other tbqh

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Originally Posted by Lacksz

It is effortless to climb to Crystal Rank, so you should not fear rank demotion. The system itself will help you to get to Crystal rank no matter how inexperienced/bad you are at PvP.
If you reach Crystal rank and got demoted to Plat 5, you will still receive Crystal Rank rewards, the new system will count your highest rank & rating if you are grinding top 100 AFAIK.
The point is that you don't need to worry about rank demotion.

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Again, if this was true, I'd be in Crystal rank.

It took me almost 11 hours to go from gold to platinum, and I can very confidently say it was not a "me" problem.

With nothing to curate players based on skill levels or performance, every match is just a coin flip you can push in your favor slightly by being good, but you only account for one fifth of your team at the end of the day.

Demotion is a non-issue, especially with your highest rank being saved for season rewards.

This will help a lot for Crystal games where you sometimes had a coinflip of which team has more 0 rating players dragging them down. It's a direct buff for the high ranks as they are less likely to get these dead weights in their team now.

Crystal was already a meme rank in these first seasons, someone posted the open achievement data and the distribution was like 50% of people who had gotten past unranked were Crystal and all of the rest had about equal split. Only like the top 100 competition was somewhat decent. If you played a lot and weren't completely clueless, you would eventually hit a lucky streak and go up until eventually reaching Crystal. The main difference between the good players and grinders was how fast they reached it. A lot of high end players posted something like sub-40 to 50 something wins to Crystal while some late joiners had over 300 wins.

Now the only questionable thing that remains is lack of decay, while the highest ever reached rating counting for finish is great to make people actually play on their main instead of shuffling around with alts to have safe spots in the board, it will remain to be seen if people are still just going to push the rank the first week or two and then go inactive.

Hopefully they have enough incentives to remain active in the ranked ladder.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

Now the only questionable thing that remains is lack of decay

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Decay is not enough to keep top 100 competitive. The only reason people stop at the ladder is because there is barely anyone playing the mode because PvP just isn't interesting for people :p You could pretty much add -1000 points for skipping a day and even that wouldn't help because there just aren't people coming from below crystal to contest the leaderboards. Decay would make the 100 people play not the 99,9% of the community that isn't even playing the mode

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Originally Posted by Nanne

Decay is not enough to keep top 100 competitive. The only reason people stop at the ladder is because there is barely anyone playing the mode because PvP just isn't interesting for people :p You could pretty much add -1000 points for skipping a day and even that wouldn't help because there just aren't people coming from below crystal to contest the leaderboards. Decay would make the 100 people play not the 99,9% of the community that isn't even playing the mode

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In that case they should keep adding in rewards until players can't ignore it. Just make them retroactively achievable in later seasons to encourage the top 100 fights and keep a close eye for wintrading.