Housing - Round 4

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06-19-2022, 12:14 PM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by Shibi

It's not good to victim blame, guys. Wren came down to a 50/50 with 2 entries.

Not victim blaming either. Just offering alternatives if they are having trouble. They seem rather salty, and they have every right to be under the current and former systems. I don't blame them for that one bit and I'm certainly not taking it personally if that matters. We're just trying to help someone out so that it may potentially suck less and they are lashing out a bit. Again though, I don't blame them for that. Housing is terrible in this game.
06-19-2022, 12:34 PM
YukikoKurosawa

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If you really want a house, you have to play it smart. I get that the system if frustrating but at least be thankful you're trying to get a FC house. There's more than enough available that you will be able to get one. Imagine if you were trying to compete in the personal house market.

What the hell are you even talking about? It's pure RNG, with odds stacked heavily against you due to the sheer lack of available houses ontop of volume of other players competeting against you.

I'm absolutely sick of hearing this defense. There is no "playing it smart" there is no "hard work" to get a house, it's RNG, there is absolutely nothing else to it and there is absolutely zero guarnatee you will ever get one. And odds are, if they never change this system, the vast majority of players never will.

Stop. Defending. This.
06-19-2022, 02:19 PM
Roselie

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

What the hell are you even talking about? It's pure RNG, with odds stacked heavily against you due to the sheer lack of available houses ontop of volume of other players competeting against you.

I'm absolutely sick of hearing this defense. There is no "playing it smart" there is no "hard work" to get a house, it's RNG, there is absolutely nothing else to it and there is absolutely zero guarnatee you will ever get one. And odds are, if they never change this system, the vast majority of players never will.

Stop. Defending. This.

They were talking about FC houses, not personal houses. I've sat in my FC ward for the past 2 bid cycles and seen 0 people bid on the smalls left there. Anyone could have come by and bid on one and it would be incredibly odd if someone else bid on top of them considering how many are available in all the other FC Empyreum wards. Nothing's a guarantee, no, but it would be strange if you've been bidding on small FC plots since the start of the lottery and haven't managed to get one considering sheer availability of them even now.
06-19-2022, 03:54 PM
Daeriion_Aeradiir

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Originally Posted by Johners

Each ward is two zones, one for plots 1-30 and the other for plots 31-60, which is multiplied 24 times for each district and then five times for total number of districts. That's 240 unique zones, per home world, for player housing and they're mostly dead.

While I agree with your point for the most part, I have to correct your math here - both halves of the ward are just one zone, people doing OOB tricks have discovered that the two wards exist in the same zone, just really far away from each other. This is also why you don't experience a full on load screen when you use the aethernet from main to sub or vice versa, just the fade to black to mask the teleport. This is also why you'll notice the sun rising/setting in different locations between the main & sub wards, since the sub ward is rotated 90* and faces a different direction so that it can be hidden behind rocks/buildings/whichever trick they're using to hide the main & sub wards from each other's sight lines.

So it's actually 120 zones, not 240.
06-19-2022, 07:30 PM
Avidria

I was bid 91, bid 142 won ayooo lmao
06-19-2022, 09:35 PM
UkcsAlias

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

So it's actually 120 zones, not 240.

I think the proper term there should be instance then, and not zone. Just like we have instanced dungeons with multiple zones in them. The zones are completely seperated on the map. But since the transitions are very similar towards the housing areas, this already tells its 1 instance that is just splitted up.
06-20-2022, 05:58 PM
Johners

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

While I agree with your point for the most part, I have to correct your math here - both halves of the ward are just one zone, people doing OOB tricks have discovered that the two wards exist in the same zone, just really far away from each other. This is also why you don't experience a full on load screen when you use the aethernet from main to sub or vice versa, just the fade to black to mask the teleport. This is also why you'll notice the sun rising/setting in different locations between the main & sub wards, since the sub ward is rotated 90* and faces a different direction so that it can be hidden behind rocks/buildings/whichever trick they're using to hide the main & sub wards from each other's sight lines.

So it's actually 120 zones, not 240.

Math being wrong aside, 120 zones is still a hell of a lot more server load than 5 zones. Condensing down the wards in this way is something Square Enix should consider doing if they're able to implement it without magically losing everyone's houses along the way.
06-20-2022, 11:38 PM
Rangiswimming

There were 4 Meds in here. Mine got a wooping 175 bids lol.

No more meds for private anymore. only less than a handful smalls. RIP turtle personal housing.
06-21-2022, 12:30 AM
Sol_Seppy

I managed to get a small this round with 167 bids. I feel very lucky, I've been trying to get a house for a while.
06-21-2022, 01:11 AM
sagacious

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

I managed to get a small this round with 167 bids. I feel very lucky, I've been trying to get a house for a while.

you won a lottery with 167 bids in it ....... so in real life you'd be a millionaire this is so good for you and I feel it too. :)
More winners should post to take the ugly off the lottery.
06-21-2022, 01:18 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by sagacious

you won a lottery with 167 bids in it ....... so in real life you'd be a millionaire this is so good for you and I feel it too. :)
More winners should post to take the ugly off the lottery.

There is no taking the ugly off of the lottery. It's still a terrible system. There shouldn't be a lottery at all, only readily accessible houses.
06-21-2022, 01:24 AM
sagacious

only readily accessible houses.

Readily? so bots can come back and take them all? Do you really wanna ride that train that derailed already? might not survive this time.
06-21-2022, 01:28 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by sagacious

only readily accessible houses.

Readily? so bots can come back and take them all? Do you really wanna ride that train that derailed already? might not survive this time.

You're just being intentionally obtuse at this point.
06-21-2022, 01:39 AM
sagacious

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You're just being intentionally obtuse at this point.

No I'm not, do you want bots to come back? yes or no please answer the question given you. Don't attack the messenger, she never made bots to take advantage of the housing system.
06-21-2022, 01:51 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by sagacious

No I'm not, do you want bots to come back? yes or no please answer the question given you. Don't attack the messenger, she never made bots to take advantage of the housing system.

You're getting nothing else from me. We're done here.
06-21-2022, 03:35 AM
Midareyukki

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You're just being intentionally obtuse at this point.

Obtuseness aside, she's right Vahlnir. With how rampant housing bots were prior to this lottery mess, I highly doubt readily-available houses would end up feeling readily-available.

Square Enix didn't fix that problem when it was happening. Having readily-available housing would need to be properly implemented to circumvent bots as much as possible. And that's just not possible, since all it takes is one bot making a macro that they can loop.

Unless there is an alternative. Are you maybe suggesting something like FF11 where you had a room you generated for yourself? That would be readily-available housing, though it would do away with the neighbourhood system they have. Would this be something they could handle server-wise?
06-21-2022, 03:38 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Obtuseness aside, she's right Vahlnir. With how rampant housing bots were prior to this lottery mess, I highly doubt readily-available houses would end up feeling readily-available.

Square Enix didn't fix that problem when it was happening. Having readily-available housing would need to be properly implemented to circumvent bots as much as possible. And that's just not possible, since all it takes is one bot making a macro that they can loop.

Unless there is an alternative. Are you maybe suggesting something like FF11 where you had a room you generated for yourself? That would be readily-available housing, though it would do away with the neighbourhood system they have. Would this be something they could handle server-wise?

By readily available housing I mean houses that can be accessed by anyone at any time. Instanced housing is one possible solution. Or perhaps automatically generated wards. I don't know what the right solution could be though within the current limitations of the game. I just know that what we have now is not working for the majority of the player base, so those limitations need to be overcome. The systems we had before weren't perfect. Heck, I wouldn't even call them good either. But with the lottery they made the same problems that they had worse. We shouldn't be competing for what shouldn't be a limited resource. That is my entire point.
06-21-2022, 04:43 AM
Goodfellow

https://i.gyazo.com/204edc3467822e9a...04a3b594b3.png

Out of 17 bidders, not bad~ I thought I was going to miss playing placard savage but this system is indeed better, they just need to add more personal housing (or instances) and we'll be good.
06-21-2022, 04:57 AM
Anienai

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Originally Posted by Goodfellow

https://i.gyazo.com/204edc3467822e9a...04a3b594b3.png

Out of 17 bidders, not bad~ I thought I was going to miss playing placard savage but this system is indeed better, they just need to add more personal housing (or instances) and we'll be good.

Grats dude!

:)
06-21-2022, 05:06 AM
Denji

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Originally Posted by Akira_Kojima

The funny thing is SE already has instanced housing with the apartments. If they'd give us the option to increase the space to something similar to a medium then I'd be more than happy to give up my small house

for real.

i don't see the point of the small houses. i just won one and it's like... 20 outdoor pieces of furniture? really? that's all? like i know to much'll lag everyone else because of all the houses combined but... 20? what's the point of a yard, then?

i'd take a stereotypical 1 bedroom/bath apartment over a house any day. like. just add a little extension to the current apartments for a small bedroom and optional washroom/closet.
06-21-2022, 05:17 AM
Padudu

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Originally Posted by Denji

i'd take a stereotypical 1 bedroom/bath apartment over a house any day. like. just add a little extension to the current apartments for a small bedroom and optional washroom/closet.

I want the neighborhood feel -- we should have a shared laundromat that requires us to wash our glams. We can include vending machines with stale candy and small phasmascapes for a more stale feeling.

In seriousness, I would remove smalls and just put them into apartments tbh. Kind of like a townhome or something, put the demo timer (as if we're going to act as if it's turned on more often than not) and increase the prices to a small.

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