Turn Housing Demolition on

instanced housing is terrible

Instanced housing is great! WildStar had the best housing ever. Everybody got a skyplot and you could build whatever your little heart desired.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Like I said, you desperately need an empathy check.

Not only that, but it's not just Russia/Ukraine's war that's an issue. There's a global fuel shortage that's slowly growing. Europe especially is on the brink of some very rough times.

But I absolutely understand. The next time you're suffering, please remind us that it doesn't affect us and that we should move on.

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Everytime someone says this I just sigh. Obviously they should not be more worried about a virtual house than actually living and surviving.. Seems like a weird mindset to have if you’re in that situation.

Housing demo needs to be turned on and perhaps even shorter. Get rid of people having like 20 houses. Return their gil. They will be fine with one house ownership. Doing so frees up houses for many people. Bandaid fix but its something.

If Square cannot provide housing to all the players who want one but then also insist on allowing those who have houses to continue to have them, even if they are unable to use them (see: auto-demolition being turned off) then there are really only two options.

Option A) Admit you have created a class system with an upper, middle and lower (see: mansion owners, medium/small house owners and those who are forced to get an apartment/room via FC) or

Option B) Disable the housing system entirely until you can provide every player with a house and/or rework the system so that having "districts" is utterly unnecessary -- such as making every house be its own "instance" that is shut off if no other players are around and simple have the rest of the neighbourhood around them be randomly chosen "ghost" ones that are only loaded in each time you load in that belong to the same zone you chose to create your house in. (So if you want a Gridanian house, you only see other gridanian houses -- but they're all random each time. Which would still allow you - as a player - to be inspired by other player's creations).

As it stands right now the system isn't fair. People can squat on houses, FCs disproportionately get a large amount of them allowing the creation of "ghost" FCs with only a few or even 1-2 players, etc. If getting to own a house is an advertised feature for one's game and it turns out that the average person can't actually ever own one? That's at the very least false advertising.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

People requesting that housing demolition be turned on right now of all times need an empathy check. Between Ukraine, Russia and the current conditions globally, a freeze is well deserved.

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Now, why do you mention Ukraine, but not Afghanistan or any of the other countries currently at war? Why does that particular war matter to you and not the others?

Also, no ones said anything about doing it based on how long people are in the houses. Its always just been one rule. Go in at least once a month. It's always been like this. I'm sorry gas prices are high, it's currently $7-8 a gallon here, so I know. I'm sorry food is high, milk is also about $7 here now. Whatever you're talking about inflationwise, I'm experiencing first hand. and yet I still set aside the little $12 for final fantasy and I log in and use my house. It's not asking for too much. and if it is, then as others have said, the greater priority should be real life, not the game then anyway.

Demolition has been turned off since 12/5/21. We are currently today at 6/11/22. Ok? That's 6 months. That's a long enough time. It's time to turn it back on. No one lost everything they had and spiraled into depression over losing their xiv house before. I didnt see people who lost their house running around screaming about it. The only people throwing a fuss right now are the ones who simply dont want to pay to keep it or are being fake outraged for virtue signaling points for people who for the most part dont actually care. Ok? I get it. You're a nice person. You're a great compassionate person. Congratulations. Your ticket to heaven is secured and on social media you'd get tons of likes for your feelings on this.

Now, lets go ahead and turn that housing demolition back on!

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Originally Posted by dspguy

That which was earned by way of countless hours of either farming gil and/or spamming buttons (like the placard back in the day) should be taken away since you didn't log in?

Let's apply that to other aspects of the game.

How "experienced" are you if you haven't played the game in a few days? How about for every 45 days you don't log in, they dock you 10 levels across the board, all jobs/classes? Sure, you spent countless hours spamming buttons to earn those levels but hey, you didn't log in for some arbitrary timeframe. Take it away.

Spent countless hours farming gil? After 45 days, take away your entire inventory and give back 30% of its sale value from a vendor.

Spent countless hours farming mounts? After 45 days, you forgot how to ride that mount. You should earn it again since you didn't log in.

The more I think about it, auto-demolition is a terrible idea.

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leveling has nothing do with it. Housing does why take up something if you haven't been on for over a month. Honestly it should be 7 days then auto demo. Sorry if you can't log in once in 7 days then should you be playing? Lottery should be 2 days to bid and 2 days to claim why 5 days to bid and 4 days to claim that in of itself is just stupid thinking as well.

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

2 days to bid and 2 days to claim

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Probably the first thing you've said that I actually agree with. The lottery timers are far too long.

I mean the housing system sucks as is. They need to add workshops to all people not just FC's as well. Not everyone WANTS to be in a FC.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Your logic is flawed since housing is not an infinite resource, youre trying to compare it to things that are. If you choose to take an extended break from the game, why do you need a house? Until SE gives some form of instanced housing, yes...the auto-demo is needed to keep houses available.

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Apartments aren't an infinite resource. Those aren't demolished.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

Apartments aren't an infinite resource. Those aren't demolished.

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All the more reason for people who are going to go away for months on end to pick an apartment over a house. Can cancel your sub without worry and give someone more active a chance to own a house. There will always be more apartments than actual houses as when they fill up, more floors are added. There is also one apartment complex per ward, each holding 100+ apartments at max, thereby creating thousands of potential apartments per district. It's a lot more infinite compared to going for an actual house.

If you are not going to be active and use said home on a daily basis, you do not need it in the current housing environment. Not sorry about it.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

All the more reason for people who are going to go away for months on end to pick an apartment over a house. Can cancel your sub without worry and give someone more active a chance to own a house. There will always be more apartments than actual houses as when they fill up, more floors are added. There is also one apartment complex per ward, each holding 100+ apartments at max, thereby creating thousands of potential apartments per district. It's a lot more infinite compared to going for an actual house.

If you are not going to be active and use said home on a daily basis, you do not need it in the current housing environment. Not sorry about it.

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I'd agree on just getting an apartment if they weren't boring Harry Potter cupboards. Give us two rooms or a different shape to work with. A balcony space that can be used for planting would also solve the problem as you then wouldn't need a house to grow onions.

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Originally Posted by Batbrat

It's time, please turn it back on again. It's been what, an additional 3 months now? It's been overall what, almost 6 months?? It's time to turn it back on. Ok ty.

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At this point, where the housing demand is so saturated, the demolition timer is just another short-term-fix crutch.

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Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts

At this point, where the housing demand is so saturated, the demolition timer is just another short-term-fix crutch.

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It basically always was that, especially when you could time logging in every 90 days (so buying a month of game time) with the 3.5 month patch cycle they used to have. It's just as much a player retention mechanic as it is a mechanism to ensure people don't just quit without freeing up their housing plot. Re-enabling the timer is one thing but there's probably the case for shortening it to 45 or even 30 days.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Sure, then lets be fair. Let's do the same about the war in Syria and other countries that are at war at the moment. Let's halt house demos until those wars are over.

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They don't really provide servers for demographics in those regions. They do, however, provide servers for Europe. Not taking any sides here, just highlighting potential differences.

I'd like to think it has nothing to do with the war, because oh yes, during a war my primary concern is losing a pixel house!

Hint, it's not. Turn it back on. They'll be fine, trust me.

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Originally Posted by Imora

I'd like to think it has nothing to do with the war, because oh yes, during a war my primary concern is losing a pixel house!

Hint, it's not. Turn it back on. They'll be fine, trust me.

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Nobody has to worry about their pixel house if demolition is turned off. And that is exactly the reason why it will stay off. Your poorly veiled attempt of proffiting from another person's misery just so you can get your own pixel house is disgusting

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Originally Posted by Harriks

Nobody has to worry about their pixel house if demolition is turned off. And that is exactly the reason why it will stay off. Your poorly veiled attempt of proffiting from another person's misery just so you can get your own pixel house is disgusting

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and? Not my problem maybe if they all got together and fix their issues they wouldn't have to worry about it. No reason to punish everyone by keeping it off because a couple countries are duking it out. idc what is going it's none of my concern but don't keep something on hold because of it we can't control it. Turn the timer on and lets be done with it. Tired of people playing the tiny violin and getting on their soapbox worrying about what is going on over there. Does it effect me? Not one bit if they are at war

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

and? Not my problem maybe if they all got together and fix their issues they wouldn't have to worry about it. No reason to punish everyone by keeping it off because a couple countries are duking it out. idc what is going it's none of my concern but don't keep something on hold because of it we can't control it. Turn the timer on and lets be done with it. Tired of people playing the tiny violin and getting on their soapbox worrying about what is going on over there. Does it effect me? Not one bit if they are at war

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Maybe you should stick to Singleplayer games if you don't care about other people.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

You'd be surprised how many rather "interesting" individuals consider asians in general to just be "white people".

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I love this comment because it kinda lays bare what a strange concept "white people" actually is. Because it actually has nothing to do with skin colour, "white people" can only ever be defined by who is excluded.

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Originally Posted by Harriks

Maybe you should stick to Singleplayer games if you don't care about other people.

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has nothing to do with caring about other people. Why should the world stop over something small. Naoki just doesn't want to turn it on because he is too soft just like getting rid of people who have multiple houses. He can't get the job done when it needs to be and should pull the trigger and turn the demo back on and get things back in motion. He should also shorten the time from 45 days to 7-14 days till the plot is auto demo. That gives PLENTY of time for someone to check in if need be. It's about keeping things in motion and who cares if some people lose it they have other things going on to worry about don't punish others for a couple small things that aren't relevant to everyone else

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Originally Posted by Harriks

Nobody has to worry about their pixel house if demolition is turned off. And that is exactly the reason why it will stay off. Your poorly veiled attempt of proffiting from another person's misery just so you can get your own pixel house is disgusting

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I'm pretty sure none of them would worry about it even if it were on.

RL >>>>>>>> house.

Theyll be fine, and so will you.

Besides, holding up four region datacenters for what amounts to a small handful of people is disproportionately unfair.

Besides, why speculate on the reason? They've never flat out said it was due to the war. Til they do, there is no good reason to keep it off.

I'd rather they take the smalls from the FC wards and open those up. My FC ward is 98% empty. This is why FC only housing was a failure before and why it'll continue to be a failure.

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Originally Posted by Imora

I'd like to think it has nothing to do with the war, because oh yes, during a war my primary concern is losing a pixel house!

Hint, it's not. Turn it back on. They'll be fine, trust me.

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Devs have some compassion and don't want to kick people whilst they are down. Get over yourself and wait. You'll be fine, trust me :)

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Devs have some compassion and don't want to kick people whilst they are down. Get over yourself and wait. You'll be fine, trust me :)

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Why let houses stay there and collect dust when they aren't being used. Time to turn it back on. The problem is when something happens they always shut it off for no reason. The dev team needs to grow a pair and turn it on and stop pandering to softies and move forward. Life moves on sorry for their bad luck they will be fine.

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

why are you supporting people with multiple house. Who cares if they grandfathered in. It's called being a selfish sob that doesn't need them. Like Xenos has said they should lose all of their houses and all gil be deleted to be fair. Yes auto demo should always be on and instead of 45 days should 7 days you can't get on not our problem you got issues with your private life.

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Not our problem you failed to get a house either. The salt in your post is unreal. Until they address supply issue all the suggestions to yoink houses from people who have them will do little to nothing to fix the problem.

Auto demo can stay off, ty. Even when it comes back on you will see the odd house come up, mostly small, and chances are you won't win it. Large would pop up once every few months if that because people know to log on. I have had my private mansion for 2 years, 7 months and 16 days. My FC mansion is now a bit over a month old? Before that it was on a small plot for 7 ish months. I will have these houses till the day the servers die and many other players like myself are the same. You can move the goalposts all you want, you still are not likely to get a large house.

Cry less to take from those who have and instead cry more that they supply more to everyone. They will never make demo timer 7 days, their own devs couldn't go on holiday without losing their house. Maybe you don't have a life and can log on every day of the year, but others do and SE know it ^^

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Devs have some compassion and don't want to kick people whilst they are down. Get over yourself and wait. You'll be fine, trust me :)

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Which people are they having compassion for? Which ones are you currently having compassion for?
You likely wont answer this just as the others wont because you're completely aware how horrific it is to care only about certain deaths but not others, and yet still! People like you will show up and say, 'ummmm actuallyyy some of us actually CARE about others unlike you!' yes ok, you care about the people social media tells you to care about. Fantastic. Glad you have solidarity and things for whoever you're told to-wonderful quality, now can we focus on video game things in this video game that we're all paying to play? Like what do you want. Should we all put on the blue and yellow outfits and beesknees in limsa again?? -really, can we stop hiding behind being compassionate, if you dont want to pay for your house thats fine but I'm still going to keep snitching that its time, in fact let me resume doing that right now ahem;

It's time to turn it back on. I'm gonna keep saying it! It's time to turn housing demolition back on.
Maybe at least an announcement on how much longer it'll be. Just any kind of information at all-this is the part where I'm talking to devs or whoever might actually be able to do something by the way, in case that isnt clear. Just anything at all please. Can we get some sort of update on the demolition and then maybe also an update about the whole fc-wards thing? That would also be a great help to players. Please let us know, thank you!

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Originally Posted by Batbrat

Which people are they having compassion for? Which ones are you currently having compassion for?
You likely wont answer this just as the others wont because you're completely aware how horrific it is to care only about certain deaths but not others, and yet still! People like you will show up and say, 'ummmm actuallyyy some of us actually CARE about others unlike you!' yes ok, you care about the people social media tells you to care about. Fantastic. Glad you have solidarity and things for whoever you're told to-wonderful quality, now can we focus on video game things in this video game that we're all paying to play? Like what do you want. Should we all put on the blue and yellow outfits and beesknees in limsa again?? -really, can we stop hiding behind being compassionate, if you dont want to pay for your house thats fine but I'm still going to keep snitching that its time, in fact let me resume doing that right now ahem;

It's time to turn it back on. I'm gonna keep saying it! It's time to turn housing demolition back on.
Maybe at least an announcement on how much longer it'll be. Just any kind of information at all-this is the part where I'm talking to devs or whoever might actually be able to do something by the way, in case that isnt clear. Just anything at all please. Can we get some sort of update on the demolition and then maybe also an update about the whole fc-wards thing? That would also be a great help to players. Please let us know, thank you!

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I've had my sub up the entire time this demo has been paused, at no point would I have lost my house were it not paused. Does it benefit me if I did take an extended break? Yes. But I haven't :D

I have compassion for everyone that is suffering from war, not just Ukrainians. Because yes there are more places that are suffering than the Ukraine. It irks me how quickly people forget the horrors that are ongoing elsewhere and esp annoyed that if you are poc you are seemingly not worth the same response as if you were white. You can take the words you wanna put in my mouth and shove them honestly. Neither myself nor other players decide when or for what reason SE puts the demo timer on pause. If they wanted to pause it for other wars, you would hear no complaint from me.

Just because you're a self serving twat doesn't mean all of us are.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I've had my sub up the entire time this demo has been paused, at no point would I have lost my house were it not paused. Does it benefit me if I did take an extended break? Yes. But I haven't :D

I have compassion for everyone that is suffering from war, not just Ukrainians. Because yes there are more places that are suffering than the Ukraine. It irks me how quickly people forget the horrors that are ongoing elsewhere and esp annoyed that if you are poc you are seemingly not worth the same response as if you were white. You can take the words you wanna put in my mouth and shove them honestly. Neither myself nor other players decide when or for what reason SE puts the demo timer on pause. If they wanted to pause it for other wars, you would hear no complaint from me.

Just because you're a self serving twat doesn't mean all of us are.

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I see you are the problem and are ok with people having entire wards as well as keeping the auto demo off. You are the problem because you don't want to check in everyday. Naoki needs to grow a spine and have the auto demo kick in after 7 days. 45 days is far to long. Naoki is spineless and can't step on any toes hence players like you would cry because you would have to keep playing instead of taking a break. get over yourself. Auto demo is the best thing ever. Keeps the the real players in and not some seasonal player. Go play runescape. The problem is they can fix housing if they wanted to. All they have to do is follow like ESO and any other MMO. Why are there any other MMO's out there that can have housing for EVERYONE but FFXIV cannot. Naoki and the devs have had plenty of years to fix it but they are snails when it comes to it, Auto demo should turn on now and you will see how much it would open up if they lessened the time needed to check in.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I've had my sub up the entire time this demo has been paused, at no point would I have lost my house were it not paused. Does it benefit me if I did take an extended break? Yes. But I haven't :D

I have compassion for everyone that is suffering from war, not just Ukrainians. Because yes there are more places that are suffering than the Ukraine. It irks me how quickly people forget the horrors that are ongoing elsewhere and esp annoyed that if you are poc you are seemingly not worth the same response as if you were white. You can take the words you wanna put in my mouth and shove them honestly. Neither myself nor other players decide when or for what reason SE puts the demo timer on pause. If they wanted to pause it for other wars, you would hear no complaint from me.

Just because you're a self serving twat doesn't mean all of us are.

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The war has NOTHING to do with the game either. So what the rus/ur are fighting. What does that have to do with FFXIV. So what they are at war. There are always wars WHO CARES. Crap like this is what holds anything back because people are crying over something out of their control. Boo hoo there is a war. It doesn't effect me or 80% of the rest of the player base.

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

I see you are the problem and are ok with people having entire wards as well as keeping the auto demo off. You are the problem because you don't want to check in everyday. Naoki needs to grow a spine and have the auto demo kick in after 7 days. 45 days is far to long. Naoki is spineless and can't step on any toes hence players like you would cry because you would have to keep playing instead of taking a break. get over yourself. Auto demo is the best thing ever. Keeps the the real players in and not some seasonal player. Go play runescape. The problem is they can fix housing if they wanted to. All they have to do is follow like ESO and any other MMO. Why are there any other MMO's out there that can have housing for EVERYONE but FFXIV cannot. Naoki and the devs have had plenty of years to fix it but they are snails when it comes to it, Auto demo should turn on now and you will see how much it would open up if they lessened the time needed to check in.

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You have to be a troll to even say such garbage. As for your other post, boo hoo there is a war? Boo hoo you can't get a virtual house. Suffering from war is far worse than losing a lottery in a game.
I have fingers crossed they will implement housing for all, not that hateful people such as yourself deserve it :D

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

You have to be a troll to even say such garbage. As for your other post, boo hoo there is a war? Boo hoo you can't get a virtual house. Suffering from war is far worse than losing a lottery in a game.
I have fingers crossed they will implement housing for all, not that hateful people such as yourself deserve it :D

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Different opinion than yours = / troll

Also turn auto demo back on.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Just because you're a self serving twat doesn't mean all of us are.

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Name calling! So now we're name calling because I challenged the predictable 'I care more than you do' take. Charming!
Can you tell me which wars? And can you also tell me, do you think the playerbase would have this same level of support that they do over the Ukraine one for one of the other ones if they decided to turn it off over them too? I know some have said, "well, its not the WAR itself, its moreso the human disaster of it all, the refugees". Which other refugees are currently being flown to other countries? What about their XIV houses? For me personally, it was just on my local news today about them, yet no one brings that up here. No ones being called names over not showing support for any of them, that one doesnt strike any nerves for some reason.

Sure sure, I'm a self serving somethingsomething. But I'm very up to date with everything going on globally at least. Yes its all unfortunate. But for people going through something like that-the last thing on their mind is 'omg my final fantasy make believe house'. This is assuming they're even still alive which if you'll recall, the men had to stay behind after a certain point and a lot of women chose to stay along with them. The casualties are nearing what...almost 27k? and I'm sorry for it all, but really, just as we can't help the things going on in other places, we cant help whats going on there either.

Besides, there are likely people who escaped that war (since you know, millions did evacuate) who didnt get to have a house before, but may be trying to get one now. What about them? Are they self serving too? Why do we assume that because someone isnt some clearly grief ridden immobilized perfect victim type of person, that they're not suffering at all and deserve nothing? You can think you're much better than me all you want although youd be factually wrong, but it wont change the fact that some communication about housing is a tad overdue and that its time to perhaps revisit the demolition issue.

The cannibalistic behavior of some of these posters is a bit unnerving but what I really want to know is if THEY know and understand that turning demolition back on again WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. The number of houses that would be released back on to the market would be but a fart in the wind compared to the demand for houses. The ONLY way to solve the problem of there being a lack of housing, is to make more housing. A LOT more.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

You have to be a troll to even say such garbage. As for your other post, boo hoo there is a war? Boo hoo you can't get a virtual house. Suffering from war is far worse than losing a lottery in a game.
I have fingers crossed they will implement housing for all, not that hateful people such as yourself deserve it :D

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I'm pretty certain that not a single person affected directly by the war would give two flips over losing a house as there's more important things to worry about.

I know if I were in their situation I wouldn't be worried about it either.

I'm also pretty certain that it's NOT the reason they haven't turned it back on, because it makes 0 sense to have it turned off for all regions.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Devs have some compassion and don't want to kick people whilst they are down. Get over yourself and wait. You'll be fine, trust me :)

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I have compassion too. You want to help them there's more better and important ways of doing it.

And I still don't believe that that's why it's not on.

You'll have to prove it.

They've had no problem kicking people that were down before.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

The cannibalistic behavior of some of these posters is a bit unnerving but what I really want to know is if THEY know and understand that turning demolition back on again WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. The number of houses that would be released back on to the market would be but a fart in the wind compared to the demand for houses. The ONLY way to solve the problem of there being a lack of housing, is to make more housing. A LOT more.

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Sadly, you are preaching to the choir. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

The cannibalistic behavior of some of these posters is a bit unnerving but what I really want to know is if THEY know and understand that turning demolition back on again WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. The number of houses that would be released back on to the market would be but a fart in the wind compared to the demand for houses. The ONLY way to solve the problem of there being a lack of housing, is to make more housing. A LOT more.

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I don't see how asking for the auto demolition system to be enabled is cannibalistic when that's part of the design. You can argue about changing the housing system in the future but given how far ahead Square Enix plan these systems changes, 7.0 is the earlier we'll see anything which is still 18 months away (estimate based on when EW released and the current 4 month patch cycle). Wanting the current system to be fully functional, including the mechanic to free up plots owned by inactive players, is an entirely fair request to make until a proper housing system can be implemented. I'd argue it's also fair for Square Enix to reconsider ownership of multiple houses that was grandfathered in from a previous ruleset in which that was allowed.

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Originally Posted by Johners

I don't see how asking for the auto demolition system to be enabled is cannibalistic when that's part of the design.

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SE don't do very much on housing very often. But when they do, they actually do seem to pay attention to housing posts on the forum.

Housing was painful, the forums suggested placard clicking, placard clicking was implimented and caused so many damaged wrists. It solved nothing.
Housing was painful, the forums suggested lottery, and the complaints about housing have easily quadrupled or more. It solves nothing.
Housing is painful, people suggest "take houses away from people" well... guess what SE will do? And it won't solve anything.

But if we stop trying to take stuff away from people, SE might see "oh shit, they don't want housing exclusive after all" and do something.

We gotta stop suggesting that SE take stuff away from people, because they will read that, they will think it's what we want, and another 3 years will pass by.

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Originally Posted by Johners

I don't see how asking for the auto demolition system to be enabled is cannibalistic when that's part of the design. You can argue about changing the housing system in the future but given how far ahead Square Enix plan these systems changes, 7.0 is the earlier we'll see anything which is still 18 months away (estimate based on when EW released and the current 4 month patch cycle). Wanting the current system to be fully functional, including the mechanic to free up plots owned by inactive players, is an entirely fair request to make until a proper housing system can be implemented. I'd argue it's also fair for Square Enix to reconsider ownership of multiple houses that was grandfathered in from a previous ruleset in which that was allowed.

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I see you missed the part where I said that starting up demolition again WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Do you have ANY idea at all just how few houses would be freed up and just how many people want houses? You could enable demolition tomorrow and your chances of getting a house would still be almost identical to what they currently are. So you wish to inconvenience people, some of whom really ARE unable to get back into the game through no fault of their own, for some perceived notion that it would make a difference in your chance to get a house? Yes, I call that CANNIBALISTIC.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

SE don't do very much on housing very often. But when they do, they actually do seem to pay attention to housing posts on the forum.

Housing was painful, the forums suggested placard clicking, placard clicking was implimented and caused so many damaged wrists. It solved nothing.
Housing was painful, the forums suggested lottery, and the complaints about housing have easily quadrupled or more. It solves nothing.
Housing is painful, people suggest "take houses away from people" well... guess what SE will do? And it won't solve anything.

But if we stop trying to take stuff away from people, SE might see "oh shit, they don't want housing exclusive after all" and do something.

We gotta stop suggesting that SE take stuff away from people, because they will read that, they will think it's what we want, and another 3 years will pass by.

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Agreed, Shibi. We need to focus on asking for MORE housing to meet the demand. That is the only way this problem will be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

But if we stop trying to take stuff away from people, SE might see "oh shit, they don't want housing exclusive after all" and do something.

We gotta stop suggesting that SE take stuff away from people, because they will read that, they will think it's what we want, and another 3 years will pass by.

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I don't see how they fix housing without "taking something away". They could do instanced housing, for example, and have 100s of versions of each plot in one giant ward but then you'd lose the ability to walk around 24 unique districts per home world. Whatever Square Enix opt to do, there's only going to be one housing system and that ultimately means they need to accept that any development will negatively impact some players.

If they're going to keep with the ward system and have a fixed amount of housing plots per home world, fine, but at least enforce the ownership of one personal and one FC house across the entire player base to maximise the chance for everyone else. What I find rather amusing is that every time this specific discussion point comes up, the small portion of housing owners that owned multiple plots from the old ruleset immediately start writing paragraphs because they don't want to give up/lose additional plots.

I do wish, however, they'd actually just take housing seriously especially when you can go to the main FFXIV website and see housing listed as one of the game's main features. It's also a system involved with many word-of-mouth advertising points I'd hear from XIV players long before I started the game. Not just housing but also the glamour system and various RP/community events. I did pick up an FC room, number 1 actually which is cool, and the customisation options are kinda ass at times and there's some bizarre limits on what objects you can place and how you do so.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

I see you missed the part where I said that starting up demolition again WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Do you have ANY idea at all just how few houses would be freed up and just how many people want houses? You could enable demolition tomorrow and your chances of getting a house would still be almost identical to what they currently are. So you wish to inconvenience people, some of whom really ARE unable to get back into the game through no fault of their own, for some perceived notion that it would make a difference in your chance to get a house? Yes, I call that CANNIBALISTIC.

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Housing demolition has been disabled for over six months now which is pretty ridiculous. Even if they enabled it tomorrow, it's a 90 day timer for inactivity so it would be over 9 months of an expansion before the auto demolition even triggered once. It's a necessary evil to have this timer because it ensures inactive players, regardless of their reason, don't permanently hog a limited resource.

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Originally Posted by Johners

Housing demolition has been disabled for over six months now which is pretty ridiculous. Even if they enabled it tomorrow, it's a 90 day timer for inactivity so it would be over 9 months of an expansion before the auto demolition even triggered once. It's a necessary evil to have this timer because it ensures inactive players, regardless of their reason, don't permanently hog a limited resource.

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It's not 90 days. Demolition is 45 days and the timer picks up from where it was at the time demolition had been suspended assuming the house hadn't been entered since. Resume the demolition timer and all those players that can play but haven't been will suddenly show back up to reset their timers. What's left for demolition will be the houses of the few players who genuinely can't play.

Demolition might be a necessary evil, but as Eraden said it still does not solve the underlying problem. As Shibi said, why do we keep asking SE to take things away from players when solving the underlying problem would be a better solution.

Fix the supply issue and demolition becomes irrelevant. If they fix it so supply is like it is in many other MMOs with housing, multiple house ownership would also be irrelevant because players could own multiple houses without impacting the ability of another player to get one.

Limited supply of anything in a MMO that needs large numbers of happy players paying to sustain operations is not a good idea. MMOs don't thrive on elitism contrary to what elitists say. They thrive on players being happy because they're able to enjoy the content they like and get the rewards they want.

Someone see another player with a cool item? They say "I want to get that cool item, too!" Tell that player that they can't have that cool item because there were only 7200 and they've all been taken, and you get an unhappy player.