Leveling is way to fast...

Issue with this thread is it's too little to late. Most people probably have all the jobs they intend to level at cap already so slowing down the pace at this point will make no sense. Unless SE were to completely scrap what we already have come 2.0 the only thing that is going to happen is that playstation 3 players will constantly play catch-up while the pc community continuously shoves them to the side.

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Originally Posted by Malakii

i make no sense well let me ask you this cause you are in the same boat i am. We both have all DOW/DOM 50 so are you gonna be leveling with the new player that joins? Unless you make a second account no, you're not so we have to hope to god that SE actually bring in alot of players in 2.0 instead of a few here and there because if not they are not gonna stay cause not everyone wants to solo to 50. If you don't understand what i am saying then sorry, i am not gonna waste my time.

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Originally Posted by Malakii

To be honest i don't care about it but, if you can tell me more then one reason why keeping it the same would benefit the game i will drop the whole bit but, just enjoyment and everyone leveling super fast is great for the vets but, gonna suck for new players that don't have anyone to level with but, meh!? i

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Nail on the head. As it stands the only real reason vets(pc players) will have any inclanation to play with new players is if SE decide to throw some capped story missions but no one wants that. Pretty much come 2.0 we'll just have 2 separate communities, one the vets (who will be viewed as elitist pricks) and 2 the the ps3 players who are learning the game still. That is not to say that there won't be any nice PC players but current ls's are pretty full as is so would be hard for the ps3 influx to join shells. But what is done is done and you can't really turn the gauntlet back now.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz

Nail on the head. As it stands the only real reason vets(pc players) will have any inclanation to play with new players is if SE decide to throw some capped story missions but no one wants that. Pretty much come 2.0 we'll just have 2 separate communities, one the vets (who will be viewed as elitist pricks) and 2 the the ps3 players who are learning the game still. That is not to say that there won't be any nice PC players but current ls's are pretty full as is so would be hard for the ps3 influx to join shells. But what is done is done and you can't really turn the gauntlet back now.

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Yea, i know jokerz man, i am glad you understand what i am saying man. It's a shame and trust me i hope the best for this game but, it's gonna be rough for a while for sure. I know it's a little too late but, hopefully just hopefully i can show a couple that if you just think outside the box instead of just thinking about your self that it boils down to a bigger picture. I'm not saying anyone that responded to my post or comment that it is fine is not thinking about anyone else but, i just don't think they are seeing the bigger picture of the matter.

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Originally Posted by Trollestia

It's a joke. No MMO is ever going to be on the caliber of XI. Ever. Why? Because of WoW syndrome baddies.

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I don't like WoW. And I absolutely loved XI back in the day, but for the most part leveling was still a huge boring grind. Facerolling Colibri (or whatever happened to be the current fastest EXP camp at the time) for months with very little else to do was not what made XI such a great game.

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Originally Posted by Kairyu

If 60% of mmo players usually say that lvling is to slow and ffxiv only has 14% saying that I think there is something wrong with that picture considering other mmo's are successful and ffxiv isnt.

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XIV isn't succesful because the UI was horrible (and still isn't great), the combat was boring, there was no content, and it runs horribly even on high-end systems.

The leveling speed has nothing to do with it. As long as players are enjoying themselves, it doesn't matter if it takes a year or a month to get to cap.

In our current XIV, making it take longer to get to 50 would not make it more fun. It isn't fun now, and just making it longer without adding anything enjoyable to it (which the devs currently aren't in a position to do) would make it worse.

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Originally Posted by Trollestia

It's a joke. No MMO is ever going to be on the caliber of Everquest. Ever. Why? Because the MMO genre has changed.

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Fixed for you. If you're gonna troll about that, at least have the decency to mention the game FFXI copied.

Edit: just looked at the name of the person I was quoting... >.>;

Problem is that they make this game use alot of support actions based off of other Jobs. This is also why gameplay the way it is cus its really needs you to level everything in order to progress threw the hard content. It's mainly cus they dont define the Jobs well enough to be based around content. Also Job switching is big cause of unbalanced gameplay. What I mean is staying 1 Job halve way threw a raid then changing to something else that can handle the next bit of the raid.

FFXI had it so it forced you to go threw that hole dungeon as the game job without changing. What you had, is what you had to play. Like say you entered Crag of Dem/Promys as Thief.. Which is useful then u got to the final boss and u needed Ranger and Summoners to own it and you cant just swap to another job you were forced to play as Theif or exit and reenter as a Summoner or Ranger.

I beat all crag bosses as Thief and Boy it was very hard. Had to use ton of meds, but I remember it forever cus even playing a Job that has extremely low DP at lv30 it still beat that boss with a Party.

I personally think content is too easy and made to be too much about placement & Damage Speed runs.

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Originally Posted by Venat

Problem is that they make this game use alot of support actions based off of other Jobs. This is also why gameplay the way it is cus its really needs you to level everything in order to progress threw the hard content. It's mainly cus they dont define the Jobs well enough to be based around content. Also Job switching is big cause of unbalanced gameplay. What I mean is staying 1 Job halve way threw a raid then changing to something else that can handle the next bit of the raid.

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So lock people's class and jobs once they enter the instance. It's not something that world-changing to implement and would help the devs balance content appropriately. Speed runs still need to go and never return, though. And dungeons should be a little more than running around to beacons.

I love how people think just because some of us think that leveling is to fast, that we were power leveled. I leveled every single one of my jobs from 1-50 and two of them before the exp change and before the implemented EXP "Grinding" parties. I hate leves so much but I enjoyed taking my first two jobs from 1-50 so much more because I actually felt accomplishment from them when I was finished. Shit I think i leveled my last 4 jobs in 2 weeks from lvl 10-50, while is was boring as fuck its just stupid that I was able to do it no matter how much i played. Someone that had the desire and will power to level all DoW/DoM jobs to 50 within one month could do so very easily now, and in my opinion that is so sad considering leveling should be 1/2 the game. I have a buddy that started just over a month ago and he already has 3 50's has a full time job and does events every night when he gets home from work.. I mean seriously??? this game is way to easy.. People talk about job balance, and yeah, we all know it is bad but part of the problem is because everyone has every job. People would of learned to do ifrit or AV or CC without job stacking if not everyone had BLM.

I personally thought it was a blast leveling my character in ffxi. I am also not ignorant and know there are many that do not like the grind which is why I think the leve system is actually a good system as much as i personally hate it. The problem lies not only in how long it takes to level but the battle content itself. Everyone in this thread is correct when they say leveling is boring as hell, I never said it was fun, but I do want some accomplishment out of it when I am finished. Nevertheless, at the rate this game will go, parties will always job stack as well considering everything in this game is AOE AOE AOE. Is ifrit the only fight in the entire game where you dont really need AOE? This goes for exp parties as well. This multiple mob shit sucks balls and needs to go. IF leveling was more fun I think people would change there minds on how the pace of leveling is. Malakii is so right though when he said it is destroying this game, because it truly is. I cant even log on and play anymore because I have NOTHING to do.... I go to college, have a job, and play sports and yet I have everything 50.. This should never be and it makes me sick that I have pretty much beat everything this game has to offer...

Levelling is fine, the poll states so.

Why bother arguing over it.

In the end, levelling is pointless. I mean when you all had 50's before PL,then they went and changed the skill set, your whole "levelling experience" was useless because you no longer knew how to play your char anyway so was a waste of time lol

Sure 1-30 and 40-50 should be flipped. But pssh, nothing to argue over.

Its great people "felt like they had accomplishments getting 50" "it was amazing getting that first one", to me, it was a chore, to others its a chore, its boring, why increase the length of crapness when majority of people dont want to and think its fine where it is now.

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Originally Posted by Malakii

i make no sense well let me ask you this cause you are in the same boat i am. We both have all DOW/DOM 50 so are you gonna be leveling with the new player that joins? Unless you make a second account no, you're not so we have to hope to god that SE actually bring in alot of players in 2.0 instead of a few here and there because if not they are not gonna stay cause not everyone wants to solo to 50. If you don't understand what i am saying then sorry, i am not gonna waste my time.

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The new inflow of players will cover that. Plus, I didn't need anyone to get to 50, and that was when lvl was fucking slow. No plvl. Now, it's even easier. What's to complain? A new player can lvl by himself or find ppl low lvl. Damn even my ls have tons of new players. New players are fine. And speaking from someone that played grinders from ncsoft. Either they leave it like that. Or we will get plagued by bots hitting the same mob. What do you want? Because that's what you get when you make a game fucking boring and hard to grind. I prefer the way it is now. You lose.

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Originally Posted by Skies

Let me ask you how the hell did you get your first 50 in 3 weeks? No, seriously, i'm surprised.
As a beginning player, even though I've been drawn in the game by friends, it took me upwards of two months. What... Is up?

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No, 3 weeks is slow... you just need to know what to do and how to get good exp by partying (I do not mean making it up or arrogant). At the earlier day i didn't know anything and just doing leve after that learn and read a lot of XIV's site + info in many forum about leveling. Im Gridanian there's less people there and move to Ul'dah then just wait for shout while doing real life stuff in between...
well... 1~40 is pain. After 41~50 it just took 2 days in beastman stronghold.

after knowing the 'terrain' how to level, the rest job is doing same thing again in same spot, same monsters.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Not really. Lack of job balance is what's destroying the game itself.

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True that is one other reason.

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Originally Posted by Noir

Is this serious? Stop trolling!!

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The leveling is not to fast if you dont use rested bonus!!!

I love how they added (Excluding Power Leveling) when asking the question.

I also find it down right giggle worthy that people say it is 'just right' when I know a good bulk of the population PL'd anyways and have no damn clue what "just right" even entails.


The very base of the game must be the leveling speed. It sets the tone for the entire stage. Endgame, instance, and story line alike. The care and thought you see in the leveling process itself is reflected on everything else the game does. You have easy leveling, you have easy game. Period.

Just because a few select End Game events pose some degree of difficultly it is undermined by the fact that GETTING to endgame is a breeze and 1/2. The only longevity it poses is insanely low drop rates. Which the community is already in revolt after being subjected too. Need to quit pussy feather footing around and get some grit in these leveling sorties.

Make me work for it. Slow down the pace enough that I can appreciate each and every level I gain. Give me a reason to buy new equipment or go hunt an NM for an exclusive item. Since right now I'll blow past it's expiration date in a few hours at the most. More importantly give me something to challenge myself so at the end I can feel like I accomplished something. Rather then checked off another task in my Red Crown napkin 2du list.

Well, apparently hundreds of people think leveling pace is fine. This thread is invalid

To be fair have you played one of these new triple A titles like SWTOR or WoW these days? Me and my Bf have returned with the Welcome Back campaign cause when we started 2 years ago it was impossible to get anything done pretty much but lately we have enjoyed the game so much as it has more challenge and grind than the 2 above mentioned mmo's and we havent had to skip any content as of yet.

I also live stream the game when I play and its actually encouraged alot of people who used to play 2 years ago to give the game a go again and their actually enjoying it, The game feels fine though the power levelling I have to agree is abit dodgy.

Forgive me if this has been said earlier in the thread but I haven't read it all.
I think one of the reasons though not the only reason that levelling was made so easy in this incarnation of the game is because it is after all now just a huge beta test. SE needed a decent amount of people playing endgame in order to test the system out, see what kind of stuff was popular etc etc.

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Having now read the whole thread I think I've just moved my position from a "make levelling harder" one to a "do away with it alltogether" one.
Instead of levels how about bringing back ranks? We don't increase hp/mp or stats as we increase in rank, the rank would just signify how far along we are in the process of obtaining all the quested skills for the job. This would allow the people who cba or don't have loads of gametime to do endgame. For those players who want to play only with the experienced or higher calibre players then the rank system would help to distinguish them from the newer ones.

If it was just a little slower I would be fine with it. But I cant believe so much people are fine with that fast leveling.

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Originally Posted by Kairyu

Bad reasons for leveling too fast:
1. Absolutely kills economy (makes any gear pre 50 pointless)
2. It seems like 1/2 the players still suck at their jobs.
3. Many people have no other jobs left to level.
4. The "newer" players have less people to level with.
5. It dumbs down endgame content because everyone has every job therefor just making it easier.
6. No sense of accomplishment whatsoever
7. makes all content pre 50 worthless
8. People can hit lvl 50 before they even learn the game.

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I've to agree with you on some points like 1,3,4.
But 2 & 8 are excatly the same, and, they are totally wrong.
I mean, who learned how to defeat Ifrit, King Moggle, Chimera...by bashing?!
Ok on raptors mages have to stay far, the tank in front and DD behind, but will there be a huge difference between bashing 500k instead of 1m xp?
We learn endgame by doing endgame, not by longer bashing.

And it would be cool if ppl stop judging with PL.
When I read, you can do 1-40 in 6 hrs, you can do 1-50 in two days.
Yep, yep, yep, by playing non-stop, with PL.

Maybe with less PL, there would be less complaints about fast xp.

I didn't get any PL, except 1 or 2 times to reach 15 in order to do leves PT.
I did "normals" PT, and, I think the system is just cool \o/

High level means nothing if you don't have pimp gears.

Coming from someone who has abused the PL facility since returning to the game in Jan of this year i think PL'ing should be gone from the game. Hypocrytical i know but had it not been there i would have been content leveling in parties / leves because i felt it was fast enough. The only way it seems to do this would be to change the targeting / aggro system to that of XI.

I think the pace of exp and partying and the fact that a large level gap between players (much more than XI) can happen before much of a hit happens to the EXP is good and allows for enough EXP gain for it to be not too grindy.

As i see i they should increase EXP arewards from leves from lvl 15-25 as that is slow enough having taken all my jobs to at least 22 via parties and leves i can see why people think this is slow. level 20-40 is where you truly learn how to play the game, progress through your class quests and actually use them for the exp gains and rewards and also enjoy the lower level dungeons.

That then leaves people to use Beastman strongholds from 40-50 to progress to end game but the whole middle section of leveling with PLing doesnt let anyone enjoy the game or the class as it just becomes a race to get to 50 ASAP. I dont even know how to run through Toto Rak, how to solo it heck iv not even beaten some of the NMs in there and i have 5 x lvl 50 classes already.

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Originally Posted by viion

Levelling is only fast if you go PowerLevel through it. A new player, heck if you go start on a new server, you will NOT be able to power level. Now since everyone is power levelling, no one really parties pre 40 so people are stuck doing leves.

A new player cannot hit 50 as fast as you, they cant power level, and it will take them time to get their first 50 by just killing mobs and doing leves and what not.

A lot of people need to stop thinking about just themselves and how they experienced it because its nothing how your average casual will experience it and nothing like how a new player will experience it.

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Quoted for truth.

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Originally Posted by Esk

If levelling is fast, it means dev's spend less time on content that becomes obsolete quickly.
Meaning they can spend more time on EndGame content, I'd be all for it.

I'd prefer to see a long line of story quests that quickly show you thought the game to about Lv40, then a massive content and story boom, with a monumental level of content and all content at that level scaling to the players.
So all Lv40+ content is still viable at 50+ so it stays active much longer then a L25 dungeon that people just farm with Lv50's.

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What endgame content? The current level 50 content is not endgame, it is a waste. The Devs have yet to put real endgame content in this game. All the current level 50 contentt is a spam fest with a drop rate thats so low people have become bored of it. Also all that said content is unispired, and lazy on the devs part. See why is everything in this game an instant, why are drop rates so low, why cant SE do it right the 1st time ? Dont answer that because I have heard SE's excusses and at the end of the day it is still a damn excusess as to why they cant do this or that. Bottom line SE screwed up thats their problem and they need to get it right. No more excussess just do it!

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Originally Posted by AquaRyu

And it would be cool if ppl stop judging with PL.
When I read, you can do 1-40 in 6 hrs, you can do 1-50 in two days.
Yep, yep, yep, by playing non-stop, with PL.

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It can be done without PLing. I would know, of course.

The only people that are "judging based on PLing" are those like yourself.

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Originally Posted by Kairyu

I honestly don't understand how anyone in their right minds can say that leveling is just right.. This is by far the easiest mmo to level in.. What is fun about leveling a character 1-cap in one weeks time or less. It completely makes all game content useless until endgame or max level. I really hope leveling is changed in v2.0 Im not saying it has to be ffxi which that is what I want but at least make it a happy medium lol. If 60% of mmo players usually say that lvling is to slow and ffxiv only has 14% saying that I think there is something wrong with that picture considering other mmo's are successful and ffxiv isnt.

Good reasons for leveling fast:
1. You can play with your friends sooner if they are cap level.
2. You can do endgame content sooner.
3. help me because I cant think of any more

Bad reasons for leveling too fast:
1. Absolutely kills economy (makes any gear pre 50 pointless)
2. It seems like 1/2 the players still suck at their jobs.
3. Many people have no other jobs left to level.
4. The "newer" players have less people to level with.
5. It dumbs down endgame content because everyone has every job therefor just making it easier.
6. No sense of accomplishment whatsoever
7. makes all content pre 50 worthless
8. People can hit lvl 50 before they even learn the game.

Im sure there is more reasons on both the good and bad, and if so you are welcome to add them but honestly I just think the fast pace leveling is one of the major things that is ruining this game

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I'll just respond to the bad points:

1) Economy will suck for non-endgame gear no matter what. People will flood the market with cheapies that they create while leveling their crafts, so no one with any sense will try to sell them for a profit, which means unless someone is leveling a craft and happens to be grinding that item, it won't be available. Also! Most people will just convert theirs in materia. And! Once people get level 50 craft, they will only sell highest price point items for profit. Whether or not there is fast leveling, power leveling, etc. will absolutely not change this.

2) People suck at their classes/jobs because they suck, period. Whether it takes them 2 hours or 2 years to hit 50, stupid people will remain stupid. Absolute fact. Have you not played other MMOs to notice this? FFXI had lots of poor players in the endgame scene.

3) Not having any classes left to level frees you up to pursue other things, to "play the game" as it were. You can go do endgame, try to get GC Seals, get them aetherial gates, whatever. There is a lot to do out there besides slug on monsters non-stop. Whether or not it's something you want to do is questionable.

4) I don't think there is a huge influx of new people right now. When 2.0 hits, all the new folks will level with each other. I think that will probably solve the issue. Also, you could always just PL the new folks. Also! Whether or not leveling is fast, anyone who has been playing (actively) since release will be 50 in everything if they wanted to be, anyway, which would still not help out any new folks.

5) This is more a condemnation of endgame than of fast leveling. If SE designs more challenging content, folks won't be able to just stack classes to victory (and, even if they do, they'll still need to work at it). If you can defeat content easily even if you're stupid just because you have the right class, the content is designed poorly. So, again, this has nothing to do with fast leveling, and everything to do with "design more challenging content, please".

6) I've never had any sense of accomplishment when finishing capping a class/job. It's more like "woo! I'm so glad it's over!". Please understand that many/most folks consider leveling a chore, a means toward an end. You should have a sense of accomplishment of clearing difficult content, not slugging on normal monsters. If you want a real sense of accomplishment, cap all your crafting and gathering classes.

7) Do many MMOs really have a ton of useful pre-level cap content? Wouldn't you rather they design content for level cap, where you'll be stuck at for a long time, rather than stuff you'll do once then never care about again because you have at least one class to 50 already, and will just crush everything on that?

8) This is the same point as 2), but nice try.

So, that makes 2 good reasons for, and 0 reasons against. Cheers.

I'll give you another good reason for: Folks who are sick and tired of leveling all their crafting and gathering to 50 can get a slight reprieve in that they can blitz their battle classes to 50 without slogging through it forever, as they have been so far.

If you'd prefer to level slower, you can always kill lower level mobs!

people pay for the game they can level any which way they want. whats it matter the people you play with are the ones you'll level with so whats it matter your not with the people who get pled. And for those saying remove it, stop wasting your breathe. Its physically impossible to remove Pling from an MMO. Unless you wanna make people not be able to heal outside a pt that would completely stop them ever adding non instanced events for entire ls since only a group of 8 will be able to do it.
Even if they get rid of the higher level leaving the group then killing the mobs, youll still have a high level white mage curing outside of party.

Yeah, let's just forget that there's not even the illusion of any such choice to "level slower", as any such attempt currently only leads one to not EXPing at all in the current system.

Oh.snap.

Personaly i would love to see it getting slower. Sadly it is obvious that most of the players nowadays are lazy noobs that dont like to be challenged and dont like to take their time to learn the game while exping. This clearly leads to bunch of unskilled players who are unable to beat simple fights even when they have 3+ battle classes capped. It's very sad that you have to be lucky to join a random recruiting party that actualy knows basic battle mechanics... I only hope that this game wont end up like XI where you can go lvl1-99 in one day...

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Yeah, let's just forget that there's not even the illusion of any such choice to "level slower", as any such attempt currently only leads one to not EXPing at all in the current system.

Oh.snap.

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...Why would anyone intentionally make leveling harder on themselves? I mean...it's not really an achievement like low manning a dungeon>.>

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Originally Posted by Jokerz

...Why would anyone intentionally make leveling harder on themselves? I mean...it's not really an achievement like low manning a dungeon>.>

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Exactly. That is why having the option to PL is not an option at all. People will take the path of least resistance. If PL is allowed to exist traditional leveling will die out and become increasingly difficult to pull out. As more and more people just blaze past you in an hour and you're stuck looking for party members for 5 hours.

want slower xp? then solo to 50. dont do leves or quest or mission. that should be slow enough for you.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

Exactly. That is why having the option to PL is not an option at all. People will take the path of least resistance. If PL is allowed to exist traditional leveling will die out and become increasingly difficult to pull out. As more and more people just blaze past you in an hour and you're stuck looking for party members for 5 hours.

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I know this but it's simply to little to late. The only way they could "fix" it would be to completely scrap everyone's levels come 2.0

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Originally Posted by Jokerz

I know this but it's simply to little to late. The only way they could "fix" it would be to completely scrap everyone's levels come 2.0

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Hm... Battle classes I dont mind but crafting is a big no lol

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

I'll just respond to the bad points:

1) Economy will suck for non-endgame gear no matter what. People will flood the market with cheapies that they create while leveling their crafts, so no one with any sense will try to sell them for a profit, which means unless someone is leveling a craft and happens to be grinding that item, it won't be available. Also! Most people will just convert theirs in materia. And! Once people get level 50 craft, they will only sell highest price point items for profit. Whether or not there is fast leveling, power leveling, etc. will absolutely not change this.

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I disagree here. Slower paced levelling would boost the economy. It would not only make low level gear valauble but make low level materia valauable to. If you were a level 20 thm for example and you knew it would take you a few days to hit level 30 then you would most likely gear accordingly. Maybe even buy that level 20 wand with double int melded....

Another aspect of this game is almost nothing is ever resold. You buy something you use it you turn it into materia. This whole materia system reduces market flooding in a huge way. You either take those items out of the game by turning them into materia or have them blow up when people fail multi-melds.

If it took you 3-4 days at 2-3 hours a day to get from 20 -30 then you'd actually buy a decent weapon / gear and maybe even pick up melded gear at that. a level 20 wand with a couple of int2 materia or something like that would actually have some value.

A slower levelling pace would only improve the economy as a whole.

As for grinding. What it should do is be representative of endgame. For example....
--- Have the mobs in exp parties do those nasty moves you need to dodge, stun or simply run from.
--- Have exp mobs that summons adds as health depletes and teach you to kill the adds first.
and any other tactics and strategies the game currently involves or will involve in the future etc etc.

Basically make exp parties a learning curve of basic strategies you'll need to learn if you want to survive the endgame stuff. i think if the levelling process was more like that it'd be much less of a grind

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Originally Posted by VytasBismarck

Personaly i would love to see it getting slower. Sadly it is obvious that most of the players nowadays are lazy noobs that dont like to be challenged and dont like to take their time to learn the game while exping. This clearly leads to bunch of unskilled players who are unable to beat simple fights even when they have 3+ battle classes capped. It's very sad that you have to be lucky to join a random recruiting party that actualy knows basic battle mechanics... I only hope that this game wont end up like XI where you can go lvl1-99 in one day...

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Grinding longer doesn't make you better at the game.

And facerolling for 1000 hours isn't more "challenging" than doing it for 100, it's just more tedious.

If someone can't understand the battle mechanics after taking 100 hours to get 50, it wouldn't have been any different if it took them 1000 hours.

Well then just create quest hubs like in WoW. People get to explore, they get into a new exciting environment every 6 levels or so. Then the quest chain will arc as mini storyline of that area, and conclude just when you're reaching the area's max level.

The pace in WoW is about right, not too fast not too slow, alot of people in middle range.

And raise level cap to 75.

This will allow people to solo if they want. And have quests that require groupings, if they want.

Then add instanced dungeons.

Standard WoW clone MMO.

Sorry, I don't agree that leveling is too fast. Especially for DOH/DOL it's not "fast" at all. But even for battle classes- Unless you're being PL'd it's honestly just right IMO.

Especially when I factor in the later level caps and how things are going to get longer and longer, I really don't see a problem.

The issue is that we're given a boring grind, and then we're expected to repeat that boring grind 6 more times because the game is designed around 'cap' meaning 'every job capped'. This brings up the secondary issue with mid game content, as it becomes increasingly difficult to create enough stuff to play through for 7 different classes (You can't play the through the story quests 7 times, for instance. That's one less thing to do for each proceeding class you level), and also greatly lowers the significance of mid game for each individual class, as they all level past the need for midgame so quickly.

If the game were focused on one long grind as opposed to seven shorter ones, midgame would become the method to which the game is presented to a player, bringing them new concepts and areas at a steady rate, creating milestones for players to work towards, with plenty of new content accessed on a regular basis. I'm pretty sure that's what everyone fighting for a slower leveling pace is wanting, not just a longer grind

To be fair, this could be alleviated with the current system if leveling each class offered a unique experience. As of right now, grinding marauder to 50 is the same process as grinding lancer to 50, and advancing those two classes horizontally (Job quests and equipment hunting) is also basically the same, the job quests being similar quests with a different coat of paint. Taking XI in example (I know, I know), developing Blue Mage was more than just "grind on mobs", to develop the class you had to go all around the world hunting specific mobs for blue spells. Playing Summoner had you soloing Avatar fights to gain your summons. Black Mage had to purchase spells etc. Every class felt like a unique experience. If XIV could offer that for every class, than the current leveling pace wouldn't be that big of a deal, at least in my opinion

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Originally Posted by Kairyu

I honestly don't understand how anyone in their right minds can say that leveling is just right.. This is by far the easiest mmo to level in.. What is fun about leveling a character 1-cap in one weeks time or less. It completely makes all game content useless until endgame or max level. I really hope leveling is changed in v2.0 Im not saying it has to be ffxi which that is what I want but at least make it a happy medium lol. If 60% of mmo players usually say that lvling is to slow and ffxiv only has 14% saying that I think there is something wrong with that picture considering other mmo's are successful and ffxiv isnt.

Good reasons for leveling fast:
1. You can play with your friends sooner if they are cap level.
2. You can do endgame content sooner.
3. help me because I cant think of any more

Bad reasons for leveling too fast:
1. Absolutely kills economy (makes any gear pre 50 pointless)
2. It seems like 1/2 the players still suck at their jobs.
3. Many people have no other jobs left to level.
4. The "newer" players have less people to level with.
5. It dumbs down endgame content because everyone has every job therefor just making it easier.
6. No sense of accomplishment whatsoever
7. makes all content pre 50 worthless
8. People can hit lvl 50 before they even learn the game.

Im sure there is more reasons on both the good and bad, and if so you are welcome to add them but honestly I just think the fast pace leveling is one of the major things that is ruining this game

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Go play Aion.

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Originally Posted by Arkine

Hm... Battle classes I dont mind but crafting is a big no lol

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crafting is more acceptable at its current lvl up rate, takes time, you actually have to purchase or make lower lvl gear to lvl up at a decent rate and there is more prestige involved with lvling up. However, Battle classes and even gathering classes (with leves) are truly too fast to lvl up. Its not soo much the endgame content that I personally worry about, its all the content imbetween. The low-mid level gear that is worthless to make or sell, the low-mid level content that you might as well wait a week for your 50 job , go back and two man dungeons or 1 man events/story line content. There is actaully ALOT of content in the game as of now, about half of it gose un noticed because the speed in wich to lvl jobs to do said content is most certainly way too fast, all that poll tells me is that ALOT of WoW players migrated to a real mmo expecting a game they can beat in a month.

You have to remember level caps are probably being raised. So I imagine getting to 60 would be even longer, and getting to 70 would be even longer, and 70-75 would probably require more exp than 1-70, as was the case in FFXI.

I think if level cap was raised, there would be lots of people lingering around 50s and 60s, and 70s.