Is the new housing notice saying you can keep your money and get the house?

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Originally Posted by sagacious

excuse me? At the time when the housing trouble started I froze then checked the forums. Forums said to keep the money in the entry and I did. My gil is still in the housing ..... should I take it out now? then not put it back in during patch 6.2? is this the advice?

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Yeah I'm starting to feel like I should just withdraw my money at this point lol...

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

Simple. Doing so would trigger a reaction of "I should have won but now I don't have the money and SE takes away what should have been mine"

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Be honest with yourself, people who had the money at the time they put a deposit down would have found ways to make back that money even if they never accepted the refund. Those that don't are the smallest minority.

It is a great way to see how honest people are as well, don't forget that, they are putting up a NPC where you can pay your house value, and I am one of these that would do so.

Then I can point fingers at everyone else being a bunch of immoral and bad people, that seek every little chance to exploit.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

It is a great way to see how honest people are as well, don't forget that, they are putting up a NPC where you can pay your house value, and I am one of these that would do so.

Then I can point fingers at everyone else being a bunch of immoral and bad people, that seek every little chance to exploit.

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i'm sorry, but not throwing video game money into a void that others don't have to throw it into isn't a choice of morality, it's just kind of silly.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

It is a great way to see how honest people are as well, don't forget that, they are putting up a NPC where you can pay your house value, and I am one of these that would do so.

Then I can point fingers at everyone else being a bunch of immoral and bad people, that seek every little chance to exploit.

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But I want to put the money back if I have too, but if I don't I'll feel bad. Please just make me put it back so my heart doesn't fight with my head

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Originally Posted by CaptainFishSticks

Be honest with yourself, people who had the money at the time they put a deposit down would have found ways to make back that money even if they never accepted the refund. Those that don't are the smallest minority.

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Let be honest with yourself. They wouldn't give a damn and used the opportunity to once again bash SE for "being punished for SE's error"

Seems it'd be a really silly way to do things if it literally is just... Put in the deposit if you feel like it? I was thinking you'd probably have to to be able to actually get the plot you won but if not that's both hilarious and also crappy for the people who DIDN'T take the refund. Because why on earth would you throw money into the void for no reason at all? Adding more gil sinks doesn't hurt but if that is how it works then this is a little too literal of one lmao

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Seems it'd be a really silly way to do things if it literally is just... Put in the deposit if you feel like it? I was thinking you'd probably have to to be able to actually get the plot you won but if not that's both hilarious and also crappy for the people who DIDN'T take the refund. Because why on earth would you throw money into the void for no reason at all? Adding more gil sinks doesn't hurt but if that is how it works then this is a little too literal of one lmao

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People who didn't take the refund can still go get it back so why is it crappy?

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Originally Posted by sagacious

But I want to put the money back if I have too, but if I don't I'll feel bad. Please just make me put it back so my heart doesn't fight with my head

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Because Materia is in a unique situation, you could gift it to sprouts or homeless friends, so they can buy houses on Materia and become happy citizens of our growing datacentre.

Bunch of self-entitled spoiled brats the lot of you. Just please shut up.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Bunch of self-entitled spoiled brats the lot of you. Just please shut up.

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Atelier, usually I like your posts but lately you are sounding so grumpy. :P

Spoiled brats for what? Expecting SE to do better for a service we pay for?

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Atelier, usually I like your posts but lately you are sounding so grumpy. :P

Spoiled brats for what? Expecting SE to do better for a service we pay for?

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Excuse me, me being grumpy? This entire thread is nothing but pointless whinning. "Oh no, people who thought were seriously screwed over, suddenly are not getting screwed? How dare that evil, evil SE!"

Like just come on, who cares?

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Excuse me, me being grumpy? This entire thread is nothing but pointless whinning. "Oh no, people who thought were seriously screwed over, suddenly are not getting screwed? How dare that evil, evil SE!"

Like just come on, who cares?

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I mean, If I won a house in the previous lottery and had to pay gil for it just to learn that the people who "won" but just had to wait for SE to fix their broken system don't have to pay for it, I'd be very upset.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Excuse me, me being grumpy? This entire thread is nothing but pointless whinning. "Oh no, people who thought were seriously screwed over, suddenly are not getting screwed? How dare that evil, evil SE!"

Like just come on, who cares?

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I notice in this forum to many of you either arent reading or prefer to misrepresent the points people are making.

And asking questions like "who cares" makes zero sense...when your answer is literally in this thread

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Excuse me, me being grumpy? This entire thread is nothing but pointless whinning. "Oh no, people who thought were seriously screwed over, suddenly are not getting screwed? How dare that evil, evil SE!"

Like just come on, who cares?

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I was hit by the 0 bug, but "seriously" screwed over, the intended winners get their houses, we don't lose anything from it, at most just the time we had to wait to go claim our houses. Housing is supposed to be a gil sink, I think it's ok for being to be mildly upset that the intended winners - who just had to wait longer - don't have to pay anything at all and it's "scout's honors that you'll pay teehee". It just rubs more salt in the wound for people who are already incredibly sore about housing, so idk what you expected coming in here lol.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

I mean, If I won a house in the previous lottery and had to pay gil for it just to learn that the people who "won" but just had to wait for SE to fix their broken system don't have to pay for it, I'd be very upset.

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Yeah, I'm sure the people who'm were affected by this glitch spent the whole time sipping tea in la la land, not knowing whether if they're going to get their house or not while those that did win had all this time to enjoy their new home. Yep

Didn't read everything but can they not just add a system that verifies in the history of your character you paid for the lot with a loss of gil due to a housing interaction? Like even if the tag for gil loss wasn't directly assiocated to "housing", wouldn't being able to determine it was during X to Y dates, for Y amounts (housing cost ranges), in Z locations (housing districts), to an NPC (removes player to player interactions), be enough to accurately determine who has or has not paid- then give them the option of keeping the house and paying the fee upon entering the house with a dialog box or recinding the opportunity after a grace period of some decent length of time to allow people who spent the funds to get them back.

Heck you could even involve GMs to comb through all of that info or interact with each player, I know it's a lot of houses in a general sense but it is a finite number and given a concerted group effort would be a totally accomplishable task.

I don't really care, just seems like a good way to ensure you've (further) inflated the economy and miffed a few people if you're handing out houses for free.

Alternative suggestion, open up all the past mog tomestone events, poetics, and whatever else (particularly focusing on things that are untrade-able if possible) for a short period of time, to everyone, with a slight one time bonus for those who pay the amount of a house ? (one time doesn't mean you have to buy only once, just paying the funds back to the system gets you a little bit extra once, then you're like everyone else paying the same rate- like store "1 for $5 or 3 for $10").

Even spicier and related to housing- open up mog shop housing items for purchase, for obviously high cost. Those fancy cherry blossom trees, can buy them again (for gil) at a fairly hefty price. I feel that would be a pretty successful gil sink. (Though both of the above are just draining gil, doesn't address free house unlike the first one - though full cost house at an expense of months of 'fun' (/s) also doesn't quite sound like a full price experience lol.. not sure I think free is comparable reward for the stress given in a month, but certainly it's not the full price experience you'd expect haha).

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Originally Posted by Amenara

I mean, If I won a house in the previous lottery and had to pay gil for it just to learn that the people who "won" but just had to wait for SE to fix their broken system don't have to pay for it, I'd be very upset.

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As someone who DID win a house in the lottery, I have absolutely no problem with this. I've had a month to mess about, decorate, hold a birthday party, meet my neighbours and generally have fun. Meanwhile there's a whole bunch of people who have been disappointed, sad, frustrated and annoyed. That's not cool and if some people get a free house from this, I just see it as compensation for being throughly jerked around by SE for a month.

What happens to other people and their house does not in any way affect my own enjoyment of my own house.

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Originally Posted by Teena

As someone who DID win a house in the lottery, I have absolutely no problem with this. I've had a month to mess about, decorate, hold a birthday party, meet my neighbours and generally have fun. Meanwhile there's a whole bunch of people who have been disappointed, sad, frustrated and annoyed. That's not cool and if some people get a free house from this, I just see it as compensation for being throughly jerked around by SE for a month.

What happens to other people and their house does not in any way affect my own enjoyment of my own house.

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You didn't add the benefits of this extra month of having a house, such as gardening and planting thavnarian seeds and then selling the onions for 1/2 a million each. You have an extra month to sell crystals, shards on the MB because of the gardening capacity. You have made millions while we wait and spend said gil on crystals you made gardening. You've had an extra month of growing your subs/airships and selling of the mats from said voyages. You have made exteriors that are going for millions on the MB. I know I purchased one for 3 million. We deserve a free house.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

You didn't add the benefits of this extra month of having a house, such as gardening and planting thavnarian seeds and then selling the onions for 1/2 a million each. You have an extra month to sell crystals, shards on the MB because of the gardening capacity. You have made millions while we wait and spend said gil on crystals you made gardening. You've had an extra month of growing your subs/airships and selling of the mats from said voyages. You have made exteriors that are going for millions on the MB. I know I purchased one for 3 million. We deserve a free house.

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Let's not get too carried away. I've not made millions :P I have my garden but it takes time to cross breed and get Onions, they also don't sell for anywhere near 1/2 million on my server, more usually around the 160-180k mark.

Also, only FC houses get the subs/airships, and there are less of them than individual players.

But yes, there will also have been missed gil making opportunities too.

My US char was the solo bid on a medium FC house that told me the winner was 0. I've left the Gil in, and there it will stay and process thru overnight this coming Sunday. I'm fine with Yoshi's approach to the Gil refund issue.

I was one of the unlucky players on the Oceanic servers to get this 0 bug. That has taken a month for SE to fix . by look of this situation, Reading all the letters and time it took to fix this problem. It look like, they used the players as test Dummies. For this new lotto system. I hate to say this, but I like the old system. yes, I clicked for over 15+ hours and had other players playing music around me, it was grate. If you think they should reset the lotto. give you a 2nd chance. I think they should do that. but since I'm a 100% guaranteed winner. they should reset it for everyone and I mean everyone. even ones that have had their house for years, make it fair. take away everyone houses just like them resetting my 100% guaranteed plot, so we can all wait a month in anger together. like I said, I like the clicking system. I didn't have to wait a week to get told to wait 4 more weeks to get it on the 16th maybe. I have friends on this server and I have seen other lucky player like ward 2 that didn't get the bug and I think there happy making Gil from grow plants, sub-craft missions with no competition. I don't think we should get it for free and I never ask for it to be free but I do think there should be a compensation. we have not been waiting just for this bug but since the server got open up.

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Originally Posted by Dagget

My US char was the solo bid on a medium FC house that told me the winner was 0. I've left the Gil in, and there it will stay and process thru overnight this coming Sunday. I'm fine with Yoshi's approach to the Gil refund issue.

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I was like you at first and then I waited and began to get nervous thinking all of the things I can do with the 50 million gil deposit I put down and the possibility I could keep it andddddddddd the house? Do you have loose wires in that head of yours?

While I don't like the way they are handling this it does less damage than some of the alternatives. I suggest adding a title to their placard/house description such as freeloader if the gil deposit isn't returned.

The NPC for repaying the housing deposit should be placed in front of the house's front door, and will only go away once the deposit is returned. Preferably a big, intimidating roegadyn: "I'm here to collect your debt!" ;-P

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As someone who paid for a plot upfront way back when and have enjoyed having a house since... I really don't see the issue here. It's probably the easiest way they could deal with the situation given the way the system appears to be coded. At least if someone was able to bid on the plot in the first place they could have afforded it at the time. Just live and let live.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

I mean, If I won a house in the previous lottery and had to pay gil for it just to learn that the people who "won" but just had to wait for SE to fix their broken system don't have to pay for it, I'd be very upset.

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I won a large in the last round and I dont care if people that got the bug get theirs for free. I have mine and have been able to use it for the past month. I'm just happy I won.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

People who didn't take the refund can still go get it back so why is it crappy?

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Crappy for anyone who doesn't see the notice before it's implemented :p

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Originally Posted by rainichan

However, I feel that this is more of an apology to the winning bidders on a house who would have won the house but then got beat out by a 0

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This *and* can you imagine the backlash if SE had chosen to do a rollback on all servers? The entire player base would lose out on an entire month's worth of progress. I can't help but see that being a MUCH bigger problem than this.

I'm one of the ones affected by the 0 bug, and while I appreciate the gesture of voluntary repayment as an apology, I'd much prefer that everyone be required to pay back what was refunded. Not knowing how practical it would be for SE to code it, I think that once the NPC's added, putting all affected plots on a demolition timer would be a reasonable solution. That would give people 45 days to earn the Gil to repay the deposit if they spent some of their refund. Knowing that they'll be guaranteed to lose possession of the plot if they don't pay it back should put a fire under peoples' feet to repay it as soon as possible.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Even spicier and related to housing- open up mog shop housing items for purchase, for obviously high cost. Those fancy cherry blossom trees, can buy them again (for gil) at a fairly hefty price. I feel that would be a pretty successful gil sink. (Though both of the above are just draining gil, doesn't address free house unlike the first one - though full cost house at an expense of months of 'fun' (/s) also doesn't quite sound like a full price experience lol.. not sure I think free is comparable reward for the stress given in a month, but certainly it's not the full price experience you'd expect haha).

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I've always thought being able to buy Mogstation credits with gil would be a great way to get it out of circulation. Even if they need to make it a 100,000 : 1 exchange rate to be an effective drain, I'd be buying stuff left and right. 2.7 million gil for that nifty mount I can't justify spending that much real money on? Yes, please!

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/6c/e9/b9/6...0e14d27560.jpg
Take some hints from Nintendo, SE.

I really don't see the trouble, SE's doing that as a way to compensate those who got affected by the 0 error.

Ya'll continue to blow up everything out of proportion...

Why don't they have it so that when you go to the placard you will need to resubmit the gil again before you can claim the house? If you hadn't requested a refund then you can just claim it there and then. Giving players a free house potentially up to 50m gil in value just for being inconvenienced is so dumb.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

Why don't they have it so that when you go to the placard you will need to resubmit the gil again before you can claim the house? If you hadn't requested a refund then you can just claim it there and then. Giving players a free house potentially up to 50m gil in value just for being inconvenienced is so dumb.

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Because implementing that would be additional work with the risk of introducing more bugs. I guess SE just wants to get over with the current situation

need a dancing Clown NPC out side saying : I feel for you now pay up

Why this is not the best solution:

What compensation is SE offering to those who had an entry on a plot affected by the bug and have been stressed out for the last month waiting to find out what is happening just to learn they lost?

They're not offering anything other than a big "guess it sucks to be you". Those players are now double losers because not only are they not getting a free house, they have to start the process over and will still have to pay should they finally get a house in a future lottery.

Also, someone who entered for a small and has been left waiting has been under the same stress as someone who entered for a large. Why does one player get only 3-4 million gil as compensation but the other gets 47-50 million?

Either compensate every player affected equally or compensate none. The worst response is to compensate only the winners and to do it disproportionately when all affected have been under the same stress.

I don't have an issue with SE offering the winners a grace period through the end of 6.2 to pay for the house if a refund had already been collected but they can't just let them have the house for free when some can't even get a house and others have to pay.

Hopefully this entire situation is a wake up call to SE on why they need to revamp the housing system entirely.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

Why don't they have it so that when you go to the placard you will need to resubmit the gil again before you can claim the house? If you hadn't requested a refund then you can just claim it there and then. Giving players a free house potentially up to 50m gil in value just for being inconvenienced is so dumb.

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Maybe the error happened in such a way that it became impossible to know whether the player claimed the refund or not. They supposedly do log all players gil movements, however, so I doubt this happened.
It seems like a "just roll it out quickly, we'll trust the honor system" kind of deal. Which is a very Japanese way to solve the problem, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Harriks

additional work with the risk of introducing more bugs.

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When "please do your job" becomes a unreasonable request, something went wrong somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Cach

Maybe the error happened in such a way that it became impossible to know whether the player claimed the refund or not.

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They'll definitely know if someone has reclaimed the gil already or not. If there wasn't you would be able to click on the placard to get a refund multiple times. Once you've claimed it it will mark on the server that a refund has been issued and not to refund that same person again.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Why this is not the best solution:

What compensation is SE offering to those who had an entry on a plot affected by the bug and have been stressed out for the last month waiting to find out what is happening just to learn they lost?

They're not offering anything other than a big "guess it sucks to be you". Those players are now double losers because not only are they not getting a free house, they have to start the process over and will still have to pay should they finally get a house in a future lottery.

Also, someone who entered for a small and has been left waiting has been under the same stress as someone who entered for a large. Why does one player get only 3-4 million gil as compensation but the other gets 47-50 million?

Either compensate every player affected equally or compensate none. The worst response is to compensate only the winners and to do it disproportionately when all affected have been under the same stress.

I don't have an issue with SE offering the winners a grace period through the end of 6.2 to pay for the house if a refund had already been collected but they can't just let them have the house for free when some can't even get a house and others have to pay.

Hopefully this entire situation is a wake up call to SE on why they need to revamp the housing system entirely.

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Similar logic is why I'm not in love with the idea.. personally the idea of compensation for the stress seems alright, but like 50mil seems like.... ...... a lot. lol.

Can say it sucks to be SE in this position, not generous enough people will be upset, too generous and people will be upset, middle level of generous might be a happy medium but you know people will still be upset hahaha.

Not going to flip a table at free 50mil being tossed about, but it did make me raise my eyebrow upon learning that. (Hence previous post said I don't really care, but did want to say free 50 mil is pretty sweet deal that I imagine a lot of people would have loved to have the bug affect them then lol).

Good luck to everyone, SE included, XD.

Well, the last update was disappointing on many levels. I have to say a few lucky people getting free houses out of it does not sit right with me. It does nothing for the losers and nothing to address the core issue, which is the extremely short supply of houses in the game.

Does anyone know what the reaction is from the Japanese Community?

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Originally Posted by Harriks

Because implementing that would be additional work with the risk of introducing more bugs. I guess SE just wants to get over with the current situation

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Exactly. Despite them framing it as an apology, and it is to some degree, it's really more of a "let's just move on." Could they have devised some way to re-collect money from winners who took refunds before awarding them their house? Sure, but it would have likely involved even further work on a system that (hopefully) will never need that functionality again. Clearly it's not as simple as just "press the button to do the thing I want" despite what some people seem to believe it would be. It would also potentially mean a return to plot sales being open would taken even longer.
For all those complaining about the honour system payment, would you really be okay with waiting another month (or more) for some sort of resolution? Would you promise to not complain about even further delays? Be honest.