The bar for Island Sanctuary and Criterion Dungeons are very high

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Telling players in your very own video game to not get excited to a feature is pretty bad news.
That's just me though.

Then again, we have 0 to go on so really everything is up in the air.
I mean it's about to come out I think, so a bone could be tossed soon please.

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Am I really the only one who got more of "Please temper your expectations" vibe from Yoshi P's responce than "Don't get excited"? Such response sounds rather mature and responsible considering people were already believing it to be cure-all for all housing issues. Do someone really need to remind some if you what happens when devs overhype their own game/features? Bringing out Cyberpunk that to this day doesn't even get close to things CDP Red promised? No Man Sky that took months of free updates to reach the promised level? Overblown expectations will have negative impact on the way the product is received. Even more so when there's little to nothing to base those expectations off because the "fans" will find a way to convince themselves and others that they were actually promised the things that weren't delivered.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Telling players in your very own video game to not get excited to a feature is pretty bad news.
That's just me though.

Then again, we have 0 to go on so really everything is up in the air.
I mean it's about to come out I think, so a bone could be tossed soon please.

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they didn't say "don't get excited" they said "temper your expectations" because people were freaking out claiming it was instanced housing which it isn't. there's a huge difference between the two.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Telling players in your very own video game to not get excited to a feature is pretty bad news.
That's just me though.

Then again, we have 0 to go on so really everything is up in the air.
I mean it's about to come out I think, so a bone could be tossed soon please.

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As others have stated, they never said don't get excited. They just asked players to temper their expectation in response to everyone claiming it to be Animal Crossing in FF14. In fact, they addressed that very connection by stating for those expecting it to be that please temper your expectations and that expecting what is an entire game to be added as side content is a bit over the top. Which, tbh, I fully agree.

Considering we still have not heard anything about it, it will probably be a major let down.

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Originally Posted by Garnix

Or maybe first release a barebones "beta" version of it (which is likely what they'll do), see if users like it, and then take feedback in consideration.
Spending months gathering feedback on a content that people might not even interact with is not a great idea in iterative development IMO...

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I mean, sure, but also “hey guys, surprise! we spent a lot of free time making this thing hardly anyone will play because we thought it’d be cool” like Mahjong.

I feel it’s better to try and get general feedback on what people want to do, even if they release a few different barebones systems and just see what people are using in game for a next iteration (kinda like they did with PotD)

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

they didn't say "don't get excited" they said "temper your expectations" because people were freaking out claiming it was instanced housing which it isn't. there's a huge difference between the two.

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Really this just goes to show how blindingly desperate players are for instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by Erendis

Considering we still have not heard anything about it, it will probably be a major let down.

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They have probably had more cash shop info then Islands news. Anyone expecting anything is probably going to be disappointed. I would be shocked if it much greater then the Pixie instance we get. When SE is this quiet it isn't good news. Yoshida is a salesman and he isn't trying to sell you this, red flag. With longer patch cycles this could/probably be a 2023 content.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

They have probably had more cash shop info then Islands news. Anyone expecting anything is probably going to be disappointed. I would be shocked if it much greater then the Pixie instance we get. When SE is this quiet it isn't good news. Yoshida is a salesman and he isn't trying to sell you this, red flag. With longer patch cycles this could/probably be a 2023 content.

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It is a bit worrying that they wouldn't stop talking about that island thing since 5.4 and how cool it's going to be and then they do a 180 and go "Please temper your expectations". I'm sorry Yoshida, i'm already tempered, if i'm any more tempered then I would blindly worship SE as if they were a primal. :^)

I am setting the bar really low for Island Sanctuary and especially for criterion dungeons. The only bar I have set high for is the relic questline.

I personally, just want a very large garden plot(s) - my Unicorn mount have a place to hang out & to add NPCs like the Scions to the sanctuary(Bc it would only be Thancred I put there- gotta keep daddy safe) - I'd also like to see a system that allows us to implement seasons/ weather over the island without it changing unless the player chooses so- ex: if I want it autumn/sunset farm theme for example!

My expectations for island sanctuary are rock bottom. The writing was on the wall when devs started dialing it back hard and basically began begging the players to curb their enthusiasm for it. This isn't gonna be some Animal Crossing meets Stardew Valley meets Final Fantasy XIV thing. But a lot of people I know are expecting just that.

Hell, just look at Ishgard housing and how that turned out. I know people who were waiting since 5.0 for that to hit. They did all the restoration stuff too. Some of them even got homes in other wards and didn't decorate at all so they could relocate to a nice Ishgard plot without tearing anything down. Just sat in an empty house and waited. 5.3, nothing. 5.5, nothing. 5.55, nothing. 6.0 "you can view it." 6.1 we finally get it, and then -- well, we all know how it turned out. They couldn't even get a house there because SE only allowed individuals to buy from 6 wards. Imagine waiting years for something so basic and not getting it. Temper your expectations always. Even the devs are warning us to keep our expectations low.

That being said, as long as we're talking about expectations, some things I'd love would be 300 furniture spots in apartments, a patio space for gardening, an increase in CWLS limits to 200 people, a "last logged in on X date" function for CWLSes, a friends system that deletes me from your list if I delete you from mine, a general "Friends" chat channel that broadcasts my text to a channel visible by everyone on my friends list, the power to tie hairstyles to glams, the ability to change glam plates anywhere in the world including dungeons, an actual barefoot option and not just ugly sandals, and so much more QoL stuff that games like maplestory were able to do in 2003. So I'm not immune to wanting nice things and being disappointed. But for island sanctuary at least, even the devs are going out of their way to tell people not to get hyped. I will keep my expectations low and just hope I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by Derio

I am setting the bar really low for Island Sanctuary and especially for criterion dungeons. The only bar I have set high for is the relic questline.

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They didn't even announce a new relic zone yet so I wouldn't keep your hopes up.

Unless they decide to spring a new relic zone on us out of the blue, I'm expecting the relic is going to be more akin to HW's this go-around.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Unless they decide to spring a new relic zone on us out of the blue, I'm expecting the relic is going to be more akin to HW's this go-around.

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It is finally time for PvP relic :p

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Unless they decide to spring a new relic zone on us out of the blue, I'm expecting the relic is going to be more akin to HW's this go-around.

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Please, god. Go back to actually enjoyable relic grind that doesn't cut you off from the entirety of the game and is something easier to do with friends who start later than you.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

They couldn't even get a house there because SE only allowed individuals to buy from 6 wards. Imagine waiting years for something so basic and not getting it. Temper your expectations always. Even the devs are warning us to keep our expectations low.

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FF14 has always been "Curb Your Expectations 14 Online" unfortunately.

"No the spaghetti code can't handle that", "no this takes too much server load", "no we can't have that because bad coding restricts it", "no the netcode couldn't handle that", "no the STF is too small to handle bots", "no their staff are too busy to make GNB/DNC weapons", "no they told in advance us the new races would be half assed so it's fine, we can't expect polished races", "no it's understandable they trimmed seasonal events, they're busy with Endwalker", "no it's understandable they trimmed dungeons each patch, very busy", "sure your job isn't fun or as good as other jobs but it's viable, they did fine", "Diadem was bad, here's Diadem Rework, Diadem 2 and Diadem 3 ...Diadem 3 isn't intolerable, they're doing good!", "I hope you like FATEs, you've been force fed them for a decade and you'll be force fed them for the next", "You liked WoW's Pet Battles, sure we can add that! Here's ...Verminion.", "No deep dungeon this expansion but we put exp in Bozja, same thing?"

I like ff14 in many ways, but I never expect anything much from them anymore.

They probably will do another relic zone because it's such an efficient tool. It gives both alternative leveling, a new zone, and relic grind all in one.