Petition: I want YoshiP to Fantasia to Hrothgar for a Month

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

YoshiP should play a Hrothgar WHM for an entire year to really let it settle in the lack of good glamours and poor gameplay.

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This isn’t a punishment. I was asked last night what I’d be if I weren’t playing Hrothgar. Lalafell? Man-Bun Viera?

I said “Still playin’ Warcraft.”

Not just WHM. The draw of the game is you can play any class/role you like. Play BLM if you like. Or tank. I got beefs with other class balance things, but this isn’t about “Yeah, and,” and it isn’t about him playing it forever. Just a “free trial” of being Hrothgar.

There are plenty of good glamours, just some frustrating limitations.

Just him.

Just one month.

For real though, it's pretty clear the devs have been favoring their own races and classes for years now.

We need some serious walkin' a mile in someone else's shoes, pronto.

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Originally Posted by Kelev

This isn’t a punishment. I was asked last night what I’d be if I weren’t playing Hrothgar. Lalafell? Man-Bun Viera?

I said “Still playin’ Warcraft.”

Not just WHM. The draw of the game is you can play any class/role you like. Play BLM if you like. Or tank. I got beefs with other class balance things, but this isn’t about “Yeah, and,” and it isn’t about him playing it forever. Just a “free trial” of being Hrothgar.

There are plenty of good glamours, just some frustrating limitations.

Just him.

Just one month.

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The problem with just one month is that he can very easily play out that month and forget everything he might have learned, its a short period of time especially when put against the amount of time he has already invested in the game. Also as long as he is reasonably entertained by BLM also he isn't going to be very worried about short comings of his race selection.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

The problem with just one month is that he can very easily play out that month and forget everything he might have learned, its a short period of time especially when put against the amount of time he has already invested in the game. Also as long as he is reasonably entertained by BLM also he isn't going to be very worried about short comings of his race selection.

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So let him. Objective is not, as a social jury of his non peers to sentence him to Hrothgar life.

If he’s the perfectionist he says he is, let ‘im look at my collar for a bit.

If he actually cares about appearance or hairstyles or customization lets see what Neko-ki Yoshida looks like. See what ‘do he picks. He liked ‘em enough to put ‘em in production without feedback.

If he cares about how the race looks, let him do just one PLL introducing the next seasonal event or treasure map or idle stance with a parasol as Hrothgar.

It is, as you’ve said, a short period of time. I want it to be a short period of time.

I want it to be a small ask involving a small number of people.

I don’t care what class he plays or doesn’t. Or likes or doesn’t.

I don’t care what bug fixes happen or don’t or what he stops or starts working on. The housing lottery broke, there are class balances that need doing, representation and design decisions and blah, blah, blah; there’s crap other than my hair that needs looked at.

If he forgets, he forgets. If he plays out of it, he plays out of it. I am asking for the smallest thing for which I know how to ask.

Just one month.

Just him.

Just Hrothgar.

That’s it.

Me too! And make him play healer as well ok thanksss

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Originally Posted by Ceridwenae

You know, though it wouldn't be my go-to solution, I'd be interested to see if he would actually do it.

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Yup.

And I’m not asking for any class restrictions either. I think some playtime would be helpful but:

1) We all memed on the SCH changes which were so badass they got nerfed - he knew something we didn’t.

2) If I wanted restrictions on the classes I could play, I would also still be playing Warcraft.

3) If I make something too big an ask, he’s not going to do it. I can’t duct tape the dude to a desk for a year, or direct the development staff to focus on things, or make him barrier heal and nothing but in PvP. That’s not what the game is about, is it? For anyone?

And yeah, I’m asking for him to play my choice, but I think anyone’d be hard pressed to say they’ve had less attention, or customer service or more double-standard double-talk regarding clipping.

Just him.

Just a month.

Just Hrothgar.

All I ask.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Me too! And make him play healer as well ok thanksss

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Agreed.
No DPS
Hroth only
Final Destina--Er, White Mage or Scholar.

Should be streamed too! Would do much for the FF14 Twitch page.

Lead developer plays - Healer! - on alt as big cat man.

Could easily see this hitting 200k+ no problemo.

Can we also add he must play on an NA server so he can experience bad ping and understand it can ruin an experience, and also he must do roulettes every day to interact with the community. If on Primal, if he gets put into the queue some people are in, he might lose his mind. The 7th time with timmy the silent tank spinning the boss with all level 90s totally 'not trolling' would at least bring me some catharsis. Also he has to go through the entire story every last quest back and forth and than he can also feel how amazing it is that the quest is also called back and forth and you get the idea the person naming the quest was laughing at you.

Actually maybe he should be allowed to go dps at some point to experience the 15 minute queues that are totally not happening.

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Originally Posted by Kelev

So let him. Objective is not, as a social jury of his non peers to sentence him to Hrothgar life.

If he’s the perfectionist he says he is, let ‘im look at my collar for a bit.

If he actually cares about appearance or hairstyles or customization lets see what Neko-ki Yoshida looks like. See what ‘do he picks. He liked ‘em enough to put ‘em in production without feedback.

If he cares about how the race looks, let him do just one PLL introducing the next seasonal event or treasure map or idle stance with a parasol as Hrothgar.

It is, as you’ve said, a short period of time. I want it to be a short period of time.

I want it to be a small ask involving a small number of people.

I don’t care what class he plays or doesn’t. Or likes or doesn’t.

I don’t care what bug fixes happen or don’t or what he stops or starts working on. The housing lottery broke, there are class balances that need doing, representation and design decisions and blah, blah, blah; there’s crap other than my hair that needs looked at.

If he forgets, he forgets. If he plays out of it, he plays out of it. I am asking for the smallest thing for which I know how to ask.

Just one month.

Just him.

Just Hrothgar.

That’s it.

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So you want him to play it for a month, go lol hrothgar sucks, do nothing and go back to his lala BLM life?

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Originally Posted by Faafetai

Can we also add he must play on an NA server so he can experience bad ping and understand it can ruin an experience, and also he must do roulettes every day to interact with the community. If on Primal, if he gets put into the queue some people are in, he might lose his mind. The 7th time with timmy the silent tank spinning the boss with all level 90s totally 'not trolling' would at least bring me some catharsis. Also he has to go through the entire story every last quest back and forth and than he can also feel how amazing it is that the quest is also called back and forth and you get the idea the person naming the quest was laughing at you.

Actually maybe he should be allowed to go dps at some point to experience the 15 minute queues that are totally not happening.

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nah play on OCN so he can enjoy his connection going back and forth across the pacific ocean TWICE for the real experience.

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Originally Posted by Kelev

Yup.

And I’m not asking for any class restrictions either. I think some playtime would be helpful but:

1) We all memed on the SCH changes which were so badass they got nerfed - he knew something we didn’t.

2) If I wanted restrictions on the classes I could play, I would also still be playing Warcraft.

3) If I make something too big an ask, he’s not going to do it. I can’t duct tape the dude to a desk for a year, or direct the development staff to focus on things, or make him barrier heal and nothing but in PvP. That’s not what the game is about, is it? For anyone?

And yeah, I’m asking for him to play my choice, but I think anyone’d be hard pressed to say they’ve had less attention, or customer service or more double-standard double-talk regarding clipping.

Just him.

Just a month.

Just Hrothgar.

All I ask.

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Could.

You.

Please.

Stop.

Typing.

Out.

Sentences.

Like This.

Just You.

Just Forever.

Just Please.

All I ask.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

rudeness

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It's how they wish to punctuate their points. There's nothing wrong with it, and I hope they continue it, personally. Not everyone is going to write the same way, just like how not every Hrothgar is going to have ears now.

That would be A-OK with me. I’d be happy the Hrothgar just not being an afterthought for once.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Could.

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Can. Probably won’t though. Thanks for stopping by!

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Originally Posted by Denji

nah play on OCN so he can enjoy his connection going back and forth across the pacific ocean TWICE for the real experience.

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oooh you are right it would be worse but ocn's community doesn't seem as weird at least at the moment. I would be pleased with any of this really. gosh I can imagine the ping he would have from jp to ocn. holy cannoli it would be horrible, but perfect.

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Originally Posted by Denji

nah play on OCN so he can enjoy his connection going back and forth across the pacific ocean TWICE for the real experience.

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Maaahhhh by the twelve! Can one even weave at'all with the ping that high?

Me too! Honestly, that's just the perfect idea.
As a hrothgar player myself I kinda gave up, especially after we got those horrible new wigs "covering" our ears. But you guys gave me the strenght to join the the battle once more ;)

Everyone here is just assuming that experiencing whet they're like will make him change his mind, but I highly suspect Hrothgar are the way they are because Yoshida doesn't place the same value on constant redesigning of his character.

He's been playing the exact same Lalafell with pigtails and the Minfilia dress since forever. I don't think it's just for branding, because it would be such good marketing to switch her to the latest Mog Station thing and new hairstyle, or even new in-game fashion to show it off, but he chooses to keep that specific design and never change it.

I think if he was told to play Hrothgar, he well may do the same. Pick one design that appeals to him and stick to it. He'd come out of the month saying "yes, Hrothgar look great".

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Originally Posted by Iscah

He'd come out of the month saying "yes, Hrothgar look great".

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I agree. And I also think constant redesign isn’t required to see the new armor wasn’t designed with Hrothgar in mind when he shows it off and the collar’s a mess

And if he does, he does. I don’t pay his sub. So, the reason I ask is that I think some time as Hrothgar he’d see that the clipping was pretty bad. The lack of customization was not great. And he wouldn’t have to play high-end, or really any content to do it. I presume he’s pretty busy.

I would like him, personally, to look at the back of his own head and see the hair clipping through the collar when he turns in the new armor. Or announce the new idle stance in a PLL with light leaking out his hairline and his skull distended about 6 inches off the back.

And then if he says “Yup, looks great!” at the very end? That’s a subjective opinion, and he’s allowed to have them.

So I wholeheartedly agree with everything you’ve said - that said, I can’t force anything. I can only say “There were 8 choices to begin with, and when you say ‘we can’t add more because they clip’ maybe Hrothgar won’t be as much of an afterthought.

ME TOO!

After all this, he needs to play Hrothgar and see why Hrothgar players are so upset. We have waited too long for such disappointing "hairstyles"

Me too, I think it'd be both beneficial; and hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Could.

You.

Please.

Stop.

Typing.

Out.

Sentences.

Like This.

Just You.

Just Forever.

Just Please.

All I ask.

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Idk.

I.

Think.

We all.

Need.

To.

Now.

Just because.

We can.

Me too. Just imagine...

Yoshi: So today we're going to showcase all the new armor sets. As we can see by this helmet which is only invisible due to a bug, there was a lot of thought put into the design. Now let's talk about the new hairstyles. As you can see, the ears are only invisible here due to a bug that we are totally going to fix. We also heard complaints about the hunch but unfortunately we weren't sure how to fix it. Please look forward to it.

Idk, either he'd ignore the issue entirely even when it's shown on screen or he'd backpedal HARD.

ME TOO!

I was honestly surprised to come in here and see solidarity amongst Hrothgar and non-Hrothgar players talk about this issue. When I saw the sticky icon for this thread I thouhgt it was just going to be a bunch of non-hrothgar/viera telling us to just "Get over it" and "this is what we paid for" type sh*t

Do you still need a fantasia to change the hair?

Me too. Maybe Viera too. I have some faith, and I understand the extra effort needed for some things in development of a large scale game, but after the hairstyle updates recently I was so disappointed. I've been playing Hrothgar since I started playing, and I think people would enjoy/play the race more if the problems like hairstyles/gear/needing fanta to change your appearance would be fixed. It's also sad because I know players often turn to mods to fix these things. Since SE clearly does not support mods, I feel bad for everyone who wants to mod to just get the same experience as anyone else. It's also confusing, how do these individual modders do such a good job, so quickly and efficiently, when a whole dev team can't? If there's no time or people to work on getting Hrothgars (and Viera) to where they should be, I think we'd understand the situation better if we knew why.

Gotta be a hrothgar because he will get too confortable playing viera and refiting helmets/hairs for them is (I think) easier.

Me too.

I fantasiaed to Hrothgar for a month, but the lack of options, combined with how lackluster they are as a beastrace, made me fantasia back.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Do you still need a fantasia to change the hair?

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Masekase-

I answered this over in the other thread, but I can do the TL;DR here too.

There were originally four “Skulls,” each with two possible hairstyles, each with one toggleable attribute. E.g. With my hairstyle you could turn on/off bangs. So you had 2 options pre-patch without Fantasia. Now you have the four hairstyles you did have (2 styles per skull * 2toggles) +
The brand new 6 hairstyles. So 10 hairstyles, including the one you were on without needing a Fantasia. Also the Snow one which you have to pay for.

However, a Fantasia unlocks the other 12 racial hairstyles available to the race, not counting the one you were on or any of the new ones, not the mogstation one.

So you’d be more right than wrong in saying you still needed one, from a math standpoint. Oh, and did I mention it rips off your face?

Because it rips off your face.

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Originally Posted by Milus

Gotta be a hrothgar because he will get too confortable playing viera and refiting helmets/hairs for them is (I think) easier.

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Gotta be a Hrothgar because you can’t do stuff like this on Viera:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...4/IMG_0877.png

me too, this is genuinely a good idea for not only yoshi p but also others in the dev team.

Healer Hrothgar for the rest of EW pls. No cute BLM Au Ra girl. See how the glamours and hairstyles keep coming out and there's nothing he can do about it, or even use the ones he worked hard to get. (Provided he doesn't get them out of the blue, that is)

TBH I don't care about healers because I don't play them, but people seem to be very frustrated about their state, so that would give the team some info on it.

This all depends if Yoshida is the type of player who constantly changes hairstyles. I know for me I dont go around switching hairs or fantasia willy nilly since I'm super attached to my WoL's initial appearance from the start. But again this little experiment depends on how he approaches his character.

Im all for him to at least get some perspective to encourage him to play as a Hrothgar for a month though.

Yoshida needs to roll a Hrothgar CNJ and take it from 1-90. With the Karen hair. If, after Stone/Glare-spamming his way through all of ARR, and all of HW, and all of SB, and all of ShB, and all of EW, while looking at a half-assed character model with a quarter-assed haircut, he can still claim the game is fine as-is, then he will have earned the right to make that claim.

But I rather suspect he would go insane well before reaching level 90.

next livestream we gotta ask this in the chat over and over

Yes yes yes
Yes yes

Y E S ! ! !