Can we not shame people who don't like the MSQ?

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Originally Posted by Skiros

This is the exact kind of response I'm talking about BTW.

Rofl "bully", "karma sowed", "launched at the very same fan base".

First of all, saying the story is boring isn't an attack on the fan base of FF14!

Second of all lmao if saying the story is boring is "bullying"

BTW, just so that people don't jump to conclusions, I've watched every single cutscene in the story and even did every story sidequest in all the zones (except ARR) for the lore. Yet somehow I'm able to not interpret every slight against the story as a personal insult or someone bullying me.

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& you're still paying to play?

https://c.tenor.com/7b3rPQ7BJUkAAAAM/lmao-laugh.gif

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Originally Posted by Skiros

cult-like fanaticism

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Originally Posted by Skiros

fanatics

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Originally Posted by Skiros

I don't care what people say

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Yes, please tell me more about everyone else being toxic.

I mean, you really don't have to go far to find proof. Here is a full thread of people from these very forums telling a guy "to go back to WoW" and "your friends aren't actually your friends" for daring to express opinion that maybe locking everything behind more or less 100 hours of "mildly interactive movie" isn't the onboarding experience an MMO should strive for. I personally would never invite a friend to play XIV with me. I'd be condemning them to hours of solo questing until we actually get to do something we both care about. That's really not a great "hey, come play that cool MMO with me!" pitch.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

I mean, you really don't have to go far to find proof. Here is a full thread of people from these very forums telling a guy "to go back to WoW" and "your friends aren't actually your friends" for daring to express opinion that maybe locking everything behind more or less 100 hours of "mildly interactive movie" isn't the onboarding experience an MMO should strive for. I personally would never invite a friend to play XIV with me. I'd be condemning them to hours of solo questing until we actually get to do something we both care about. That's really not a great "hey, come play that cool MMO with me!" pitch.

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I skimmed through 13 pages, and all the replies are along these lines:
- "If you don't enjoy the story, then this game may not be for you"
- "You can buy the story skip, but it may not be the best idea"
- "Why aren't your friends playing with you?"

Please be specific and tell me where the "full thread of people" telling the OP to back to wow part is, because my blurry eyes can't find it.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

This is the exact kind of response I'm talking about BTW.

Rofl "bully", "karma sowed", "launched at the very same fan base".

First of all, saying the story is boring isn't an attack on the fan base of FF14!

Second of all lmao if saying the story is boring is "bullying"

BTW, just so that people don't jump to conclusions, I've watched every single cutscene in the story and even did every story sidequest in all the zones (except ARR) for the lore. Yet somehow I'm able to not interpret every slight against the story as a personal insult or someone bullying me.

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Natsuko Ishikawa a Japanese writer working for Square Enix. Originally brought on as additional staff for the writing team of the relaunched Final Fantasy XIV, she has been co-lead writer for the game since its Stormblood expansion, becoming the main lead in Shadowbringers.

She received a standing ovation for her continued work in FFXIV & is beloved by the fan base & is the recipient of many accolades to include garnering awards for FFXIV being one of the most celebrated MMORPG's directly due to the writing of it's MSQ.


Masayoshi Soken video game composer and sound editor who has worked for Square Enix since 2001. Soken is best known for being the lead composer and sound director of Final Fantasy XIV and its expansions.

Actively wrote the game music for FFXIV from his hospital bed when diagnosed with cancer, has gone on to receive multitudes of awards & acclaim for much of his work.

Naoki Yoshida, also known as Yoshi P, he's kind of a big deal not only in FF circles but also a Titan in the industry for pulling off the once believed impossible. I wont bother listing it all but there are not one but two documentaries covering his work & he gives seminars on leadership & game design among other things.

Here's the thing, you want to be nice & safe, criticizing the work of others without having it done in return.


Not the way it works, ever.

As i stated before you may share your opinion but expect the same rebuttals when you do.

The sudden explosion in popularity of this game showed what long times fans already knew, the dev team, everyone involved poured a great deal of work in to it, then it's a good thing you expected my response, i'll be happy to keep giving it.

I can take the criticism & welcome the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Natsuko Ishikawa a Japanese writer working for Square Enix. Originally brought on as additional staff for the writing team of the relaunched Final Fantasy XIV, she has been co-lead writer for the game since its Stormblood expansion, becoming the main lead in Shadowbringers.

She received a standing ovation for her continued work in FFXIV & is beloved by the fan base & is the recipient of many accolades to include garnering awards for FFXIV being one of the most celebrated MMORPG's directly due to the writing of it's MSQ.


Masayoshi Soken video game composer and sound editor who has worked for Square Enix since 2001. Soken is best known for being the lead composer and sound director of Final Fantasy XIV and its expansions.

Actively wrote the game music for FFXIV from his hospital bed when diagnosed with cancer, has gone on to receive multitudes of awards & acclaim for much of his work.

Naoki Yoshida, also known as Yoshi P, he's kind of a big deal not only in FF circles but also a Titan in the industry for pulling off the once believed impossible. I wont bother listing it all but there are not one but two documentaries covering his work & he gives seminars on leadership & game design among other things.

Here's the thing, you want to be nice & safe, criticizing the work of others without having it done in return.


Not the way it works, ever.

As i stated before you may share your opinion but expect the same rebuttals when you do.

The sudden explosion in popularity of this game showed what long times fans already knew, the dev team, everyone involved poured a great deal of work in to it, then it's a good thing you expected my response, i'll be happy to keep giving it.

I can take the criticism & welcome the discussion.

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My god this is just cult worship territory now

Honestly? Elements of this game's community can be pretty unsettling at times. I've experienced all sorts of weird and bizarre insults, accusations and threats over the years in response to criticising elements of the game's story or for liking and disliking the 'wrong' characters.

The same often happens to anyone who expresses a desire to maintain a normal customer and service provider relationship with the game and its developers.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

My god this is just cult worship territory now

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Those are facts, you can look any & all of it up.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

I personally would never invite a friend to play XIV with me. I'd be condemning them to hours of solo questing until we actually get to do something we both care about. That's really not a great "hey, come play that cool MMO with me!" pitch.

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Because all you care about is the most recent content and only consider that worth playing. If the only content you WANT to engage in in FFXIV is the end you're going to have a sparse experience and a hell of a runup.

I recently (within the past year) introduced someone to the game, walked beside them and quested the MSQ WITH them as much as I could while also keeping them outfitted in relevant gear and talking them through MSQ parts they found too boring to engage in with summaries while also running daily roulettes and random DFs with them to keep their progression quick. Yes it took nearly a month for them to get to "endgame" and be able to run roulettes for tomes and the raids for other items.. but it was far from a "hey play this... lemme know when you get to what I like to do" experience. We also sidetracked sometimes with fishing, or deep dungeons, or mount/minion farming.

Many people in that thread you referenced are wondering why you'd invite someone to play something and NOT play the game with them when you were able to.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Naoki Yoshida, also known as Yoshi P, he's kind of a big deal not only in FF circles but also a Titan in the industry for pulling off the once believed impossible. I wont bother listing it all but there are not one but two documentaries covering his work & he gives seminars on leadership & game design among other things.

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And all he did was copy WoW and get lucky. His seminars must be about how to turn your playerbase into worshippers.

Then again, he didn't do anything to achieve that either, since people debase themselves willingly. Can't blame him for people acting crazy.

Reading through these replies, I honestly had no idea that so many people viewed all the other content besides the story as not that fun - at least it comes across that way to me with responses like “I don’t know why you’re playing this game if not for the story cause gameplay isn’t all that.” It’s just interesting to me as someone who was recruited to the game for the gameplay and not the story.

The story is just not for me personally but I’ve always loved the gameplay up until recently. Currently not subbed but if I ever did resub one day it wouldn’t be for the story.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Those are facts, you can look any & all of it up.

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>someone says they find the story boring

"Omg did you know that Yoshi P is a titan, literal legend of MMOs, Ishikawa got a standing ovation, and Soken got cancer?"

The problem with most of the criticism is that it's not criticism. Saying, I find X boring is not a criticism, it's an opinion. And an opinion is not a fact.
Here is an example of a bad criticism I often see and an example of the same thing rephrased in a way that sounds a lot better.

Bad criticism:
"The story was so boring. I skipped it because I just couldn't get into it. Lyse is annoying and her consistent rambling drove me mad. She is a useless character and about as irritating as Sakura was from Naruto. They should add more engaging characters to the story and maybe it won't put me to sleep. I don't know how people can enjoy this junk."

Rephrased to be real criticism:
"I found Lyse's place in the story to be misplaced. Her actions during this 'event' didn't make much sense to me. I think going forward, the devs should spend a little more time in this area so people like me do not feel lost at the context of her actions. It was difficult for me to relate with her as a person because of the execution and I think a little more character development with her backstory could have made me liked her more."

This is just something I threw together, and I maybe should have spent more time wording things better but hopefully you can see the difference between both forms of "criticisms". The first one is the one that us "fanboys" roll our eyes at.

Okay peopel really need to stop posting in the obvious troll threads. Seriously.

Titanmen strikes again :eek:

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Originally Posted by Skiros

>someone says they find the story boring

"Omg did you know that Yoshi P is a titan, literal legend of MMOs, Ishikawa got a standing ovation, and Soken got cancer?"

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>same person calls everyone who likes the story worth less than insect feces
>gets clowned on

"GaIs, It'S jUsT aN oPiNiOn!!1"

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Originally Posted by Alestorm

Okay peopel really need to stop posting in the obvious troll threads. Seriously.

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the "troll" threads usually have better content than actual threads tbf

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Endwalker doesn't deserve nearly that high a rating.

Seriously, all entertainment rating and reviews sites on the internet are garbage...and I do mean all. All ratings are hopelessly tainted by fanboys and haters.

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Most of them didn't play for longer than a few hours anyway. The amount of time it takes to go through 1/3 of Endwalker is far more than someone paid to review games can afford to put into a MMO.

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Originally Posted by EgilTheStressedMage

>same person calls everyone who likes the story worth less than insect feces
>gets clowned on

"GaIs, It'S jUsT aN oPiNiOn!!1"

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You must be really stressed to conjure up a complete hallucinatory strawman like that!

I can't believe calling the story boring (which I have never even done; I'm just defending people who think the story is boring!) is the same as saying that people who enjoy the story are less than insect feces!

BTW, I like the story!

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...azing-Spoilers

I'm just not so insecure that anyone disliking the story will drive me into a frenzy!

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Titanmen strikes again :eek:

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Hey man, you forget who I am but you still remember TitanMen... That's so sad.. :-((((

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Originally Posted by Alestorm

Okay peopel really need to stop posting in the obvious troll threads. Seriously.

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The fact that everyone of his threads get 10+ pages is a testament to how easily this forum is baited.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

The fact that everyone of his threads get 10+ pages is a testament to how easily this forum is baited.

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Considering how 50-60% of the posters (not actual person count cause there are several posters who are just 1 person) here are drama baiting contrarian hyperbolic trolls... we're getting to the point where it's just the trolls trolling each other and all sitting back thinking "haha, look how i caught them all!".

There's no way you can tell people "dont feed the trolls" when the trolls feed themselves.

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Originally Posted by SpanishInkwehsitor

Because I can read the entire plot in 45 minutes instead of playing it for 5 hours.

That's being generous, reading about it is very likely quicker.

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That's not really answering my question, I asked why do you care to read a plot summary if you already didn't care enough to actually go through the story yourself?

And you could do the same for every single movie, book, etc. that's ever been made. You could just read a plot summary on some wiki page.

Yes, it'd be "quicker", but that's not how you are meant to consume fiction. The fact that you're sole measure of value in fiction is how fast you can consume it, so much so that you would prefer to skip actually consuming said fiction altogether in favor of just reading a brief plot summary, tells me you fundamentally do not understand how to consume fiction, or the real value in fiction whatsoever.

What investment do you get from reading a wiki summary? How do you become attached to the world, the characters? Reading a summary quite literally defeats the entire purpoes of consuming said fiction in the first place. "I just read a wiki summary lol why even play through the story myself" is one the absolute most soulless things I have ever heard. If you unironically believe this then fiction is not for you.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Considering how 50-60% of the posters (not actual person count cause there are several posters who are just 1 person) here are drama baiting contrarian hyperbolic trolls... we're getting to the point where it's just the trolls trolling each other and all sitting back thinking "haha, look how i caught them all!".

There's no way you can tell people "dont feed the trolls" when the trolls feed themselves.

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Some of you really need to learn the definition of troll!

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Some of you really need to learn the definition of troll!

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I personally feel anyone "trolling" is a troll. Whether you're trolling for responses or trolling to inspire arguments.

Not necessarily actionable against CoC "Trolls". If you're not actually posting to make a suggestion or convey information or ask a question for your own benefit, you're probably posting fluff for fluffs sake.

Most people are not trolls. Just labelled trolls because the posts are disliked, found cringe, annoying, a hot take, some back and forth happen that wasn't intentionally asked for. Whenever anything on here gets a wee bit dramatic, you're by default a troll. If you post a hot take, you're a troll. If you have feelings, you're a troll. Doesn't matter what you do, you're a troll. It's easier to just not care. The people that wanna have a discussion will talk and those who think you're a troll will just fish for likes by reposting "That's bait" and "The trolls are still at it eh?". Which is more cringe than the so-called trolls. At least the "trolls" keep these forums alive and give you all something to read when you're bored.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I personally feel anyone "trolling" is a troll. Whether you're trolling for responses or trolling to inspire arguments.

Not necessarily actionable against CoC "Trolls". If you're not actually posting to make a suggestion or convey information or ask a question for your own benefit, you're probably posting fluff for fluffs sake.

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some people just be staying mad lmao

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Originally Posted by Padudu

some people just be staying mad lmao

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/10203059.jpg

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you deserve to have your account deleted for posting this

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Originally Posted by Padudu

you deserve to have your account deleted for posting this

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Why? I just posted exactly what you did in meme form? "U mad" has been a thing for probably longer than you have been alive...

I love how most people take "go back to WoW" so literally and even find it offensive. When I was playing WoW classic I had people (strangers and friends alike) telling me go back to retail because they think retail wow players dont belong in classic and we had a good laugh about it. In fact said it almost everytime I play and my friends were online in the guild.

You lot need to take what people say online less seriously.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Why? I just posted exactly what you did in meme form? "U mad" has been a thing for probably longer than you have been alive...

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tbh I forgot to put the /s but I'm on mobile and can't edit it lul

also it's rage comics betty boop calm down

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Originally Posted by Padudu

tbh I forgot to put the /s but I'm on mobile and can't edit it lul

also it's rage comics betty boop calm down

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I wish I was hot like betty boop.. though if my head was that big there'd be a problem.

Rage comics was where the face was from. But "U mad" has been a thing since online interactions were a thing.. less meme'ably for quite a time before that.

My point overall being that there's very little interaction for utilities sake here and a lot more metagaming a community happening.

Oh yea another mentor bad, they stole my lunch money and beat me up and called me names, these "mentors" threads. We should witch hunt everyone who thinks mentors is anything but literally the source of evil because they have a symbol by their name. Do y'all ever get tired of this or is this some sort of kink for y'all?

It's ok to be wrong! :o

Me too...
...i dont need the MSQ. ;)

Im happy there is a Story, for other people.
Im happy there is crafting, for other people.
But i dont realy need this.
FF14 have much more to offer than one long Story. :D

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

Most people are not trolls. Just labelled trolls because the posts are disliked, found cringe, annoying, a hot take, some back and forth happen that wasn't intentionally asked for. Whenever anything on here gets a wee bit dramatic, you're by default a troll. If you post a hot take, you're a troll. If you have feelings, you're a troll. Doesn't matter what you do, you're a troll. It's easier to just not care. The people that wanna have a discussion will talk and those who think you're a troll will just fish for likes by reposting "That's bait" and "The trolls are still at it eh?". Which is more cringe than the so-called trolls. At least the "trolls" keep these forums alive and give you all something to read when you're bored.

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Exactly lmao, I'm literally just posting random thoughts that pop into my head these days. They're just hot takes, that's not really trolling.

Trolling would be Venandi crying about how November is not fall or going on MilitaryVet describing CLL as Savage difficulty.

This thread: Please don't shame people for not liking the MSQ.

Also this thread: Anyone who likes the MSQ is a cultish fanatic also you're the toxic one not me!

Yeah, this went about as well as could be expected.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Exactly lmao, I'm literally just posting random thoughts that pop into my head these days. They're just hot takes, that's not really trolling.

Trolling would be Venandi crying about how November is not fall or going on MilitaryVet describing CLL as Savage difficulty.

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It is technically not any sort of breach of the ToS or CoC of the forums, no. I'll admit I'm impressed with just how closely you skirt that line sometimes, but it's no coincidence that your particular mind meanderings are veiled jabs and provocations of a known zealous community element.