1 ultimate instead of 2 ?

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

I believe they mentioned giving up on one Ult entirely, covid + couldnt get certain mechanics to work properly, or something of that sort. So Dragonsong War for sure with a very hard 'we'll see' for a second Ult.

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I think "giving one up" would mean we only get 2 this expansion and then 2 next expac meaning we will eternally be "behind" one ultimate.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

UCoB-> Ultima - 8 months between releases
Ultima -> Tea - 17 months
Tea -> Dragonsong War - 27 months atm, still 2-3 months, if it is really 6.1

I guess you can be happy if you get 1 ultimate per addon at this rate. I doubt they work already on omega ultimate before they havent finished this next one, so you can add minimum another year, which brings you into the last patchcycle before new addon, when they are trying to finish the addon.

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It took long between ultima and TEA because they pushed the fight back one tier. Considering that was the second expac with ultimates at all AND they got shut down by a pandemic for half a year, I don't think we necessarily need to start being cynical yet. Honestly, I liked that they were gonna have the second ult be in 5.5 because that means that there was actually going to be something worth using that relic you've been grinding for a year on since normally it's basically just for amusement since the savage tier is a patch and a half old by the time you get it.

Edit: Oh, it wasn't actually pushed back a tier. I guess it was just a while between 4.4 and 5.1

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

I think "giving one up" would mean we only get 2 this expansion and then 2 next expac meaning we will eternally be "behind" one ultimate.

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Yeah, he hasn't committed to anything beyond Dragonsong Ultimate this expansion yet, but if I recall he mentioned they'd like they keep it at two. One for beginning and end of expansion.

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

It took long between ultima and TEA because they pushed the fight back one tier. Considering that was the second expac with ultimates at all AND they got shut down by a pandemic for half a year, I don't think we necessarily need to start being cynical yet.

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If I remember right, the reason was "player feedback", they argued players don't wanna have as many ultimates because they need more time to clear them. Which later changed into "we only have 1-2 devs capable in the industry of doing these ultra fights, so they don't have the capacity anymore".
They should just be honest and say 1 per addon then from now on, instead of telling raiders a 2nd might maybe come/maybe not - and get them all hyped and geared up in preparation, so they keep subbing to unlock the raidtiers etc. and then they get no content lol. It is a bit much ambiguity sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

If I remember right, the reason was "player feedback", they argued players don't wanna have as many ultimates because they need more time to clear them. Which later changed into "we only have 1-2 devs capable in the industry of doing these ultra fights, so they don't have the capacity anymore".
They should just be honest and say 1 per addon then from now on, instead of telling raiders a 2nd might maybe come/maybe not - and get them all hyped and geared up in preparation, so they keep subbing to unlock the raidtiers etc. and then they get no content lol. It is a bit much ambiguity sometimes.

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While some hardcore raiders want three per-expansion, that's just very unlikely because they only have so many people capable to do savage raids in the first place, along with their work schedules to do three savage tiers and an ultimate may take one of those out of the future rotation. Some of them them don't just do savage, they do extremes or the full-alliance savage DRS things if you seen their body of work during Famitsu interviews. Basically end-game designers can sure have a lot on their plate.

Like the guy who designed UCoB is no longer on the team, people don't always account for turnover. So they had to bring more designers up the savage ranks over the last expansion. Like YoshiP won't let someone to do a savage 4th floor unless they have experience of the 3rd floor kind of things. The designers for Shiva and Gaia were first-time on the 4th floor.

It's probably one of those "we think we could do 2 but we won't know for sure until we get to June 2022 kind of things if we are still behind on content" so they just keep stringing along.

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Originally Posted by technole

While some hardcore raiders want three per-expansion, that's just very unlikely because they only have so many people capable to do savage raids in the first place, along with their work schedules to do three savage tiers and an ultimate may take one of those out of the future rotation.

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Personally, I'd like to see more variety with the ultimate format. There're things they could do that would take less resources, and require less commitment from the players than a traditional 18 minute boss medley. Something more akin to an ultimate EX trial would be cool, and would even be a bit more accessible for people newer to ultimate.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Personally, I'd like to see more variety with the ultimate format. There're things they could do that would take less resources, and require less commitment from the players than a traditional 18 minute boss medley. Something more akin to an ultimate EX trial would be cool, and would even be a bit more accessible for people newer to ultimate.

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8-10 minute fights completely filled with ultimate level mechanics is something I would be okay with, don't even need to put a weapon or a title for it.

I wouldn't like a 30 minute Ultimate. I would still try it but ugh... Endurance is a form of skill its just not one I enjoy as much I guess. I'd prefer two, with different themes, and of course the real reason I do Ults besides them being Epic fights, two shiny weapons instead of just one.

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Originally Posted by Ruru_Nayu

Reduce crafting to a 1 button click then.

Oh wait... Macros lmao

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Hey! I resemble that remark! :P

It makes no difference to me.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

If I remember right, the reason was "player feedback", they argued players don't wanna have as many ultimates because they need more time to clear them. Which later changed into "we only have 1-2 devs capable in the industry of doing these ultra fights, so they don't have the capacity anymore".
They should just be honest and say 1 per addon then from now on, instead of telling raiders a 2nd might maybe come/maybe not - and get them all hyped and geared up in preparation, so they keep subbing to unlock the raidtiers etc. and then they get no content lol. It is a bit much ambiguity sometimes.

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Let's be honest here. They don't want to announce only one Ultimate because it guaranteed a lot of raiders will simply unsub afterwards. Stringing a second or even third along keeps those players subbed because they have to be prepared in case it actually happens.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Let's be honest here. They don't want to announce only one Ultimate because it guaranteed a lot of raiders will simply unsub afterwards. Stringing a second or even third along keeps those players subbed because they have to be prepared in case it actually happens.

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dont they also say its ok to unsub if you have nothing to do and to come back later?

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

dont they also say its ok to unsub if you have nothing to do and to come back later?

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They say things like that to earn brownie points with their fans, but the way they run the game and their actions in the past don't really support the notion. They're a company running a subscription game, and it's within their interest to keep you subscribed for as long as possible. There have been multiple instances where they've decided on a delay or cancellation well ahead of time, but didn't actually notify the player-base until the proverbial last minute.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

They say things like that to earn brownie points with their fans, but the way they run the game and their actions in the past don't really support the notion. They're a company running a subscription game, and it's within their interest to keep you subscribed for as long as possible. There have been multiple instances where they've decided on a delay or cancellation well ahead of time, but didn't actually notify the player-base until the proverbial last minute.

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Agree. Is one of those "don't pay attention to what they said but to what they do". FFXIV has quite a few system that are just there to try to keep you sub as long as they can. However, FFXIV is also designed to make returning "easy" (at the same time GL trying to do content no longer popular) compare to other MMO's.

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Originally Posted by Lily_Skye

i'd rather have 0 ultimates

it's just a waste of resources just to please 1% of the playerbase

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The number is far higher then that

https://twitter.com/Bwin4L/status/1416720149634236417

The highest clear rate server is a whopping 11%, or was as of this post. Probably higher by now. The average looks to be somewhere around 4-5%\

Edit: And this is clears only, so overall participation (without clear) would be higher.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

The number is far higher then that

https://twitter.com/Bwin4L/status/1416720149634236417

The highest clear rate server is a whopping 11%, or was as of this post. Probably higher by now. The average looks to be somewhere around 4-5%\

Edit: And this is clears only, so overall participation (without clear) would be higher.

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Worth noting that is also for TEA, which is probably the least cleared ultimate these days.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Worth noting that is also for TEA, which is probably the least cleared ultimate these days.

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Understandably so, it's a straight trauma without a good group.

Not everyone logs though so data is inaccurate.

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Originally Posted by EverQuest

Not everyone logs though so data is inaccurate.

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You only need 1 person out of a group of 8 to get logs, the percentage of 8/8 groups doing ultimate not logging it at all must be so small it can't even be counted as an exception.
It's an abnormality.