Tribute to Zenos

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Originally Posted by Denji

also one of his attacks is called 'tryst' which in my opinion makes him the villainous bisexual icon the star both needs and deserves.

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LOL, yes, his gap closer, which I just found the funniest thing

The devs know exactly what they're doing with this guy

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Originally Posted by Thaciscokidd

There's already a list of bad guys that have done really bad things and suddenly have a redemption arc and become one of the good guys. Gaius, Estinien(kinda sorta if you take the body stealing arc into account), and Fordola come to mind.

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I wouldn't count Estinien being possessed, since that was Nidhogg's work. That'd be like counting Thancred as a villain when he was possessed by Lahabrea. On the other hand, Estinien was the villain (or at least antagonist) of the 30-50 dragoon job quests.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I wouldn't count Estinien being possessed, since that was Nidhogg's work. That'd be like counting Thancred as a villain when he was possessed by Lahabrea. On the other hand, Estinien was the villain (or at least antagonist) of the 30-50 dragoon job quests.

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Yeah, I just recently did that questline - was pretty interesting that they had that in there, hunting down Estinien as a villain. It's a shame that it was exclusive to a job quest and not prevalent during MSQ (unless you were a dragoon).

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Originally Posted by Denji

emet-selch felt more like the lovechild of Q from star trek combined with jack sparrow and later on you find out a lot of that was simply due to zodiark's influence combined with the fact that he -tried- to hang out with the gross little squidgy mortals only for them to murder his kid.

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Emet's bewilderment when we tell him of Zodiark and the Final Days is so very heartbreaking. Enthralled by Zodiark, we don't actually get to interact with the Hades that has a will of his own until Elpis, and he's like, "WHAT? Forsake my brethren? Insult the memories of those sacrificed by recreating Amaurot in an ocean? Genocide!?" Then we find out this Hades is actually fond of us, though of course he would never admit to that.

It's like, crap! We already had a ton of reasons to love you Emet. But nope, he wasn't done yet.

Ugh

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Emet's bewilderment when we tell him of Zodiark and the Final Days is so very heartbreaking. Enthralled by Zodiark, we don't actually get to interact with the Hades that has a will of his own until Elpis, and he's like, "WHAT? Forsake my brethren? Insult the memories of those sacrificed by recreating Amaurot in an ocean? Genocide!?" Then we find out this Hades is actually fond of us, though of course he would never admit to that.

It's like, crap! We already had a ton of reasons to love you Emet. But nope, he wasn't done yet.

Ugh

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Agree. I love how they developed Emet's character. Maybe they will do something like that with Elidibus since we will get to know him and his son further through the Pandemonium storyline.

Still enjoying the discussion! Great to see how many other Zenos fans are out there, and awesome seeing all the comments on Emet-selch.

I do have plans in the making for his tribute video as well. TBH Emet is probably my favorite character in the entire story so far. I only found him amusing at first, but once I saw his recreation of Amaurot in the ocean depths... I really started to understand him. Such a hopeless romantic, cynical, honorable. Overall great character.

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Originally Posted by Garet

Agree. I love how they developed Emet's character. Maybe they will do something like that with Elidibus since we will get to know him and his son further through the Pandemonium storyline.

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Lahabrea's son. Erichthonios is Lahabrea's son, and we're also hanging out with Elidibus himself, though he's using his real name (Themis) to avoid being recognized as a member of the Convocation. Elidibus is still a kid among the ancients. :P

EDIT: Although, this could be Elidibus just before he officially joins the Convocation. he says "I am here as representative of an organization that works directly with the Convocation", though again, that could just be him trying to maintain some secrecy.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

I have a difficult time understanding your need to bash a character in a thread that someone has created as tribute to them.

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Some people just want to see the world burn.

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

Elidibus is still a kid among the ancients. :P

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That would explain why we're the same height.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

That would explain why we're the same height.

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Unless you're a Roe

Yeah. When not using another body Elidibus has always been portrayed as shorter (when you consider modern people) and just younger overall compared to his fellows. His small figure after we defeat him at the Seat of Sacrifice, and in Emet's second short story where he refers to Elidibus as a "youth of small stature" come to mind. I remember wondering in the post SoS cutscene if his size there was just a reflection of his innocent and childlike wish to save his people, or if he was actually a child when everything went down. Turns out it was the later. : /

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

Lahabrea's son. Erichthonios is Lahabrea's son, and we're also hanging out with Elidibus himself, though he's using his real name (Themis) to avoid being recognized as a member of the Convocation. Elidibus is still a kid among the ancients. :P

EDIT: Although, this could be Elidibus just before he officially joins the Convocation. he says "I am here as representative of an organization that works directly with the Convocation", though again, that could just be him trying to maintain some secrecy.

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Nice insights - been excited for more of the Pandemonium story to release. Was really glad we got to return to Elpis.

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

Lahabrea's son. Erichthonios is Lahabrea's son, and we're also hanging out with Elidibus himself, though he's using his real name (Themis) to avoid being recognized as a member of the Convocation. Elidibus is still a kid among the ancients. :P

EDIT: Although, this could be Elidibus just before he officially joins the Convocation. he says "I am here as representative of an organization that works directly with the Convocation", though again, that could just be him trying to maintain some secrecy.

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It was kind of sus cause he says Azem is a member of the same organization. It could be before they both joined. We don't have enough to tell us just yet.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

It was kind of sus cause he says Azem is a member of the same organization. It could be before they both joined. We don't have enough to tell us just yet.

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

this could be Elidibus just before he officially joins the Convocation. he says "I am here as representative of an organization that works directly with the Convocation", though again, that could just be him trying to maintain some secrecy.

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Their own "Scions of the Seventh Dawn" type of organization maybe?

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

Unless you're a Roe

Yeah. When not using another body Elidibus has always been portrayed as shorter (when you consider modern people) and just younger overall compared to his fellows. His small figure after we defeat him at the Seat of Sacrifice, and in Emet's second short story where he refers to Elidibus as a "youth of small stature" come to mind. I remember wondering in the post SoS cutscene if his size there was just a reflection of his innocent and childlike wish to save his people, or if he was actually a child when everything went down. Turns out it was the later. : /

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I dunno. A "child" wouldn't have that manly, soothing, calming voice that he has.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

It was kind of sus cause he says Azem is a member of the same organization. It could be before they both joined. We don't have enough to tell us just yet.

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Not sure, but there are some certainties at least. I doubt it's before Azem (we) joined, though, and he doesn't mention Azem being from another organization, just himself. Given this takes place in the Elpis we were originally sent to and Elidibus says this after telling him we're Azem's familiar:

https://i.imgur.com/zTqhDRP.jpg

It would have to be us he's referring to - it couldn't be anyone else as we're Venat's successor and she had long since stepped down from her position at that point, so it couldn't be her. I still think the most likely explanation is Elidibus is "undercover" so to speak, since he probably doesn't want the knowledge that he's from the Convocation to influence anyones' words/actions, though him not having joined up yet is certainly a possibility.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Their own "Scions of the Seventh Dawn" type of organization maybe?

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Perhaps, though their society seems to revolve largely around a "let things happen as they may" approach (at least, pre-Final Days, per the short story "Ere Our Curtain Falls"), since, while respected by many, they still think we (Azem) are a weirdo for sticking our noses into things wherever we went/go (trying to stop an erupting volcano for tasty grapes), even though that's exactly the reason the position exists to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

I dunno. A "child" wouldn't have that manly, soothing, calming voice that he has.

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Nah, you have to remember even a child ancient is still centuries older than anyone in the modern day and we really can't assume they develop in the same way. Also, again, from the short story "Ere Our Curtain Falls":

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"Emet-Selch!"

My name rang out in the Capitol, the caller's voice resounding around the foyer.

I could hardly pretend not to have heard (alas), and thus turned to face my pursuer. I had been so close to escaping...

The voice belonged, as I knew it would, to a white-robed youth of small stature, who was hastening across the hall. His red mask marked him out as one of the Convocation of Fourteen. Elidibus.

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“It truly is incredible,” the youth said with quiet fervency

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That's the sort of person Elidibus was; eager to fulfill his duty, he also respected and admired the Convocation more than any other. To many of us, he was as a younger brother of sorts.

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"Youth" is really only used for someone who is very young (again, by ancient standards). He is indeed a child, and the youngest of the Convocation.

... Aaand I should probably stop derailing with comments about Elidibus in a Zenos fan thread. Apologies everyone, I tend to ramble.

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Originally Posted by Faust1105

Nice insights - been excited for more of the Pandemonium story to release. Was really glad we got to return to Elpis.

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Yeah, I'm pretty impatient myself - next patch can't come soon enough. I must know what happens to Eric. :X

Youth isn't just used for someone very young. Youth can be used for teenager or early 20s. If that is him as Themis, then youth would definitely apply.

I read enough Regency romances to have seen it used for the naive eager young pup in his early 20s many a time.

I am aware of what youth is. Alright? I just think that his voice doesn't match his face. That's all.

Bah, wasn't gonna post again, but here. Last one.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Youth isn't just used for someone very young. Youth can be used for teenager or early 20s. If that is him as Themis, then youth would definitely apply.

I read enough Regency romances to have seen it used for the naive eager young pup in his early 20s many a time.

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I've read period works as well, and it isn't nearly so frequent to refer to someone in their 20s as a "youth" physically, but mentally, which follows with your example. They're referring to the behavior. Regardless, doesn't change the fact that the word, by and large throughout time, is used to refer to someone pre-adulthood, or that the cutoff for childhood and adolescence was lower in the past than it is now.

I'm not saying Elidibus is like, 10 years old in ancient terms, but it's really undeniable that he wasn't an adult when everything went wrong.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

I am aware of what youth is. Alright? I just think that his voice doesn't match his face. That's all.

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Yuyuhase's original JP VA (among others, even non-JP) would like a word with you.

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

Yeah, I'm pretty impatient myself - next patch can't come soon enough. I must know what happens to Eric. :X

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Has there been any word on when the next patch will come? This is my first time at max level during current content, so not sure what the schedule is like

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

I'm not saying Elidibus is like, 10 years old in ancient terms, but it's really undeniable that he wasn't an adult when everything went wrong.

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I looked youth age range up because I wanted to see what it said. Most sources I've found say it's 15-24. That's not a child. At the earliest he'd be an adolescent, at the latest a young man or young adult.

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Our lord Zenos is watching this thread and he would like the attention to return to him please thank you.

Buahaha jkjk you all are awesome peoples.

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Originally Posted by Velovictus83

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Our lord Zenos is watching this thread and he would like the attention to return to him please thank you.

Buahaha jkjk you all are awesome peoples.

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Haha, too good

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Originally Posted by Faust1105

Has there been any word on when the next patch will come? This is my first time at max level during current content, so not sure what the schedule is like

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March/April! based on usual patch cycles

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Originally Posted by nighttimebunny

March/April! based on usual patch cycles

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Not bad! Thanks for the info, really looking forward to it :)

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

Nope. Zenos is the only character I resonate with (no pun intended). I cried when I read about Zenos' lonely childhood in "The Hunt Begins" because it reminded me of mine. We're soulmates. But he had it worse because he was trained to be the killing machine of an evil empire. His life was so empty and boring, improving himself was his only joy. He was never loved by anyone. I just want to hug him and tell him I understand. I already told him "I accept you" in SB and that will never change. If I had full control of my WoL, Zenos would be my best friend by now.

Emet was a part of Zenos' family but he let them neglect and abuse him! And who knows what else he did to him. Come on SE, tell me! If Zenos suffered because of Emet, I will set him on fire and he will burn brighter than Amaurot. c:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...8/xscr0997.png

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I really enjoyed that speech option in SB where you can tell Zenos that you accept him! I love that square enix gives us those flavor choices, even if they can't make some of them hold actual weight to the story (for obvious reasons) they still create awesome immersion for my character.

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Originally Posted by Velovictus83

I really enjoyed that speech option in SB where you can tell Zenos that you accept him! I love that square enix gives us those flavor choices, even if they can't make some of them hold actual weight to the story (for obvious reasons) they still create awesome immersion for my character.

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And "That, I can't deny" in the final duel! Zenos looked so overjoyed to hear it, was really satisfying lol.

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

Yeah, silly boi just ignored it. I was serious about it, ffs. But most of the time my WoL is such an a--hole with Zenos. Like when he showed up at the end of the universe, the dialogue options were too rude for my liking. I just wanted to say "I've missed you! Let's combine our powers and defeat this emo bird!" :D

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None of those responses matched my own. Not because it's not in me to be rude, but because I was utterly speechless. It was the only time I would have selected the "..." option if there was one.

Here I am at the edge of existence, fresh out of hope and friends. Then the very same enemy I told "Hope will win the day." embodies that very same promise. How do you respond to something like that? So friggin poetic.

However, when he says, "This is your prey? WTF ain't it dead yet? What's wrong with you?" That restored the confidence I had lost ascending that wretched place. He did what true friends do, and pick you up when you're down.

As usual, I let my fighting do the talking.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

None of those responses matched my own. Not because it's not in me to be rude, but because I was utterly speechless. It was the only time I would have selected the "..." option if there was one.

Here I am at the edge of existence, fresh out of hope and friends. Then the very same enemy I told "Hope will win the day." embodies that very same promise. How do you respond to something like that? So friggin poetic.

However, when he says, "This is your prey? WTF ain't it dead yet? What's wrong with you?" That restored the confidence I had lost ascending that wretched place. He did what true friends do, and pick you up when you're down.

As usual, I let my fighting do the talking.

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very poetic view on it indeed :)

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Originally Posted by Gemina

None of those responses matched my own. Not because it's not in me to be rude, but because I was utterly speechless. It was the only time I would have selected the "..." option if there was one.

Here I am at the edge of existence, fresh out of hope and friends. Then the very same enemy I told "Hope will win the day." embodies that very same promise. How do you respond to something like that? So friggin poetic.

However, when he says, "This is your prey? WTF ain't it dead yet? What's wrong with you?" That restored the confidence I had lost ascending that wretched place. He did what true friends do, and pick you up when you're down.

As usual, I let my fighting do the talking.

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Again, at least glad that the WoL's speech options don't really hold weight to the story since there was nothing to choose there that I would be proud of.
Great way to put it though, "As usual, I let my fighting do the talking."
Epic :P