Keep NFT out of FF14

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Originally Posted by dapperfaffer

So for relative comparison Bitcoin is worth 45k and has a volume of 43B and the second highest is Ethereum at 3.8k with a volume of 9.9B. Volume and price per share matters since what you are buying when you buy a NFT is the coin itself. So yes, price per share matters a great deal when the only thing inflating the value of the NFT or crypto currency is the real world value of the Dollar/Yen/Rubel/Pound/pick your currency. Also using Decentraland and Sandbox both have poor YTD. with an average loss of value at about 50%.


Performance of a stock is directly tied to its price per share. The more shares in circulation that aren't being purchased are sitting in asset allocation to the company that released them. Shares don't just float around in limbo.

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This is 100% incorrect. Price increase per share is what is important not price per share. In crypto, shares can be unlocked over time with the age of a project. You cannot buy all the shares in Decentraland or Sandbox as marketcap is circulating supply not total supply x price. If the share of sometime starts of at $.0010 and goes up to $2.24 that increase is huge and the share holder are extremely happy. Nobody cares that the price is only $2.24. As a holder your don't care what the price of something is you care about how much your holdings increase. Your other assertion that they are performing poorly is also incorrect.

Decentraland's increase in the last year is : 4058.5%
Sandbox's increase in the last year is : 15328.8%

I have no problem debating this with you but we should stick to known facts and truths and not make things up. You mention you are getting angry so it is perhaps best to step back in that case. Emotions have no place in proper debate.

I've been puzzling over this for a while. What would they tie to it? Cosmetics (most won't care)? Mounts or similar (I don't care)? Glamour (MAYBE...I'd have to see it...)?

Housing? Yeah, that might work...

I want a house, but I'm not going to sit and camp one. But y'all, my house would be FABULOUS. But I don't have time. So I'm waiting until the system makes it easier to get one.

So yeah, I'm thinking they'd use to to lock housing.

I'm not on board.

What’s all this panic about? I don’t see a universe in which content is gated behind limited tokens. Besides, we already have limited glamour and minions, so even if this is an extension of that it’s what we already have.

Am I odd because I won’t pay some scalper $100 for a pizza emote?

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Originally Posted by Fellgon

Square is intending bring NFT to 14 and other games.

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Originally Posted by Mysticp

SE CEO made a press release supporting NFT's. Gamers watched a reaction video by Asmongold where he Boomered out and thought NFT's would somehow ruin the game. It's all very silly. No mention of even putting NFTs into FF14 was even made.

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Ugh... lol. I tried to learn what NFT's are and I gave up. I cannot be bothered with this. Whatever it is, I'm sure it won't affect my game, were it to be implemented.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Ugh... lol. I tried to learn what NFT's are and I gave up. I cannot be bothered with this. Whatever it is, I'm sure it won't affect my game, were it to be implemented.

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Remember this post in 10 years. If the planet isn't ashes, of course.

I don't get what the big deal is, you don't like NFT, don't use them, end of story.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

What’s all this panic about? I don’t see a universe in which content is gated behind limited tokens.

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i didnt see a future where devs would sell dlc before it was even developed, but season passes are a common thing
"everyone is overeating about the horse armor" they said, "its an optional purchase" they said....

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Originally Posted by Mysticp

This is 100% incorrect. Price increase per share is what is important not price per share. In crypto, shares can be unlocked over time with the age of a project. You cannot buy all the shares in Decentraland or Sandbox as marketcap is circulating supply not total supply x price. If the share of sometime starts of at $.0010 and goes up to $2.24 that increase is huge and the share holder are extremely happy. Nobody cares that the price is only $2.24. As a holder your don't care what the price of something is you care about how much your holdings increase. Your other assertion that they are performing poorly is also incorrect.

Decentraland's increase in the last year is : 4058.5%
Sandbox's increase in the last year is : 15328.8%

I have no problem debating this with you but we should stick to known facts and truths and not make things up. You mention you are getting angry so it is perhaps best to step back in that case. Emotions have no place in proper debate.

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Market cap in crypto is the amount value of all coins mined.
It has nothing to do with circulating supply or total supply. Circulating supply is the approximate number of coins in circulation and total supply is the known number of coins. Both are reflective of the price of the stock.
Sandbox has a Max supply and total supply of 3B coins with only 919M in circulation .
Bitcoin on the other hand has a Max supply of 21B coins with 18M in circulation and total supply of 18M.
Which of those is worth 45K a coin again?

The value of the NFT is reflective of the amount of people invested into it. The only way a NFT is valuable is if people buy into it to support the NFT. Its not going to magically change because over time it grew from 7ths of a cent to 7.90$ over a year then split by half over the next 6 months. Long term investment =/= the scam of short term pump and dumps. So no, there is nothing to discuss at this point other than a pointless conversation about how you think crypto isn't trash and a scam.
You either consistently invest into the NFT that SE could potentially release to ensure its value, or you watch as it gets devalued over time. And I just have to add, a SE NFT won't be backed by SE financially. Its all user buy in.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

i didnt see a future where devs would sell dlc before it was even developed, but season passes are a common thing
"everyone is overeating about the horse armor" they said, "its an optional purchase" they said....

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Yeah, it didn't take long before you started seeing things like fighting games released with half the roster sold as "optional purchases".

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Originally Posted by dapperfaffer

Market cap in crypto is the amount value of all coins mined.
It has nothing to do with circulating supply or total supply. Circulating supply is the approximate number of coins in circulation and total supply is the known number of coins. Both are reflective of the price of the stock.
Sandbox has a Max supply and total supply of 3B coins with only 919M in circulation .
Bitcoin on the other hand has a Max supply of 21B coins with 18M in circulation and total supply of 18M.
Which of those is worth 45K a coin again?

The value of the NFT is reflective of the amount of people invested into it. The only way a NFT is valuable is if people buy into it to support the NFT. Its not going to magically change because over time it grew from 7ths of a cent to 7.90$ over a year then split by half over the next 6 months. Long term investment =/= the scam of short term pump and dumps. So no, there is nothing to discuss at this point other than a pointless conversation about how you think crypto isn't trash and a scam.
You either consistently invest into the NFT that SE could potentially release to ensure its value, or you watch as it gets devalued over time. And I just have to add, a SE NFT won't be backed by SE financially. Its all user buy in.

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Once again this is incorrect. Marketcap is Circulating supply x current price. Marketcap does not include total supply. This aspect is factual and not debatable. If you want to verify this for yourself please go to coingecko or coinmarketcap and hover over the the marketcap of any crypto and this will be shown as the calculation.

To further prove this:
Bitcoin for example has a price of 46,910
marketcap of $887,468,007,750
Circulating supply of 18,918,525
So do the math: 46,910 x 18,918,525 = 887,468,007,750

Now that I have proven that part wrong can we move on?

Now as for NFT's. You are correct in that for it to have value people have to assign value to it. That is no different from any other product. Things do not go up magically. They go up with an increase in demand. If demand goes down then price will follow so your point about you need to invest in it is accurate. However, once again this is true for any product that has a market. You have in no way shown that anything is a scam. NFT's are just digital containers that can be sold as goods. No more no less.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Ugh... lol. I tried to learn what NFT's are and I gave up. I cannot be bothered with this. Whatever it is, I'm sure it won't affect my game, were it to be implemented.

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I tried too, ugh....i just cant understand...feels like a Physics test...

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Originally Posted by Mysticp

Once again this is incorrect. Marketcap is Circulating supply x current price. Marketcap does not include total supply. This aspect is factual and not debatable. If you want to verify this for yourself please go to coingecko or coinmarketcap and hover over the the marketcap of any crypto and this will be shown as the calculation.

To further prove this:
Bitcoin for example has a price of 46,910
marketcap of $887,468,007,750
Circulating supply of 18,918,525
So do the math: 46,910 x 18,918,525 = 887,468,007,750

Now that I have proven that part wrong can we move on?

Now as for NFT's. You are correct in that for it to have value people have to assign value to it. That is no different from any other product. Things do not go up magically. They go up with an increase in demand. If demand goes down then price will follow so your point about you need to invest in it is accurate. However, once again this is true for any product that has a market. You have in no way shown that anything is a scam. NFT's are just digital containers that can be sold as goods. No more no less.

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Marketcap means nothing, its the total value of all the circulating coins and thats it. If you can't understand why having a high total supply, and in the case of Sandbox almost 2B differential of coins available to whats in circulation supply, and how that devalues an NFT I can't help you and I'm not explaining it to you.

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Originally Posted by Listrella

I don't get what the big deal is, you don't like NFT, don't use them, end of story.

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Ask the multitude of artists who had their work illegally minted on Opensea and who have to go through Google to get it taken down how that worked out for them. Or the many Japanese artist accounts on Twitter that got hacked and turned into NFT accounts overnight. The amount of people in the art community I know that actively try to avoid NFTs but have to fight every damn day to keep their work from being minted and resold is staggering. And none of the NFT sites are of any help, Opensea in particular has been almost impossible to work with according to many of the artists who have had more than one work stolen. NFTs by design and by the very nature of the people who pursue them are not avoidable. This isn't like a gacha game where you don't /have/ to pull and will just suffer in the F2P bin. If it gets added to games it's not avoidable.

Also I quite like the planet being what it is. The last thing I want to see is it burn faster because cryptobros think they can get rich off of monopoly money.

With how the whole NFT in the gaming space discussion is going I can't do anything but want to bang my head against a wall.
There is literally nothing positive about NFTs in the gaming space and it offer zero benefits that can't be achieved normally.

The only people outside of the companies who are pushing for this BS are the people who are already trapped in the NFT scheme.
Seeing their fake enthusiasm every time a new blockchain game is announced is really stomach turning because they don't care about the games themselves they only care about if it makes them money or not.
Like seriously if I hear somebody mention "blockchain technology enables to port gaming items from 1 game to another" I'll scream. It's literally the dumbest point I've heard in ages and it clearly shows that people have no idea about game development and how very much unlikely this is given the impossible extra work developers would have to do in order to support anything even remotely similar. (Especially across franchises with different gameplay/aesthetics/ game engines).

Sorry for rambling.

As much as I hate NFTs I don't have the optimism after Lootboxes and other microtransactions that these won't be a part of the gaming space. Right now multiple companies are trying to push it and the big players like1 EA/Ubisoft/Square can easily spend money on trying to implement something without going bankcrupt.
All it takes is for 1 company to implement successfully and make some money with it and that's it. It'll be a constant companion from there on. Luckily so far the attempts we've seen failed and if that keeps going we have a chance of at least a few years of radio silence before they try to push it again.
But in all honesty I don't have high hopes for that.

Will NFTs make their way into FF14? Maybe? Like people said Yoshi P and his team most likely won't be able to deny orders from the top even if they don't want to.
But I wonder with all the negative connotations in regards to NFTs if the attempt in making money is really worth the negative press attached to FF14 after a 10 year journey of rebuilding the goodwill of players after the disaster that has been 1.0
I want to believe that the head of SE is aware of that.

If it really comes down to an implementation of NFTs in FF14 I hope there will be a mass exodus of players because there is no other way to make an impact. Sure we can complain on the forum as much as we want or go to twitter and other social media sites. But if it doesn't affect the bottom line we might as well just say nothing.
Personally I'll unsubscribe the moment any kind of NFT implementation into FF is announced and I hope a lot of other people will do as well.

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Originally Posted by dapperfaffer

Marketcap means nothing, its the total value of all the circulating coins and thats it. If you can't understand why having a high total supply, and in the case of Sandbox almost 2B differential of coins available to whats in circulation supply, and how that devalues an NFT I can't help you and I'm not explaining it to you.

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Let's establish that you were incorrect in your evaluation of what marketcap was. If you are talking about total value of all supplied coins then that is a metric called Fully diluted marketcap. There is a reason that this is a separate metric. Having a large supply is not in of itself a bad thing. It would be if the increased supply was dumped at a period of low demand. In crypto, the total supply of a token is trickled out to meet demand through an unlock period. Also, while this is an interesting chat about crypto it has nothing to do with NFTs nor does it have to do with 'devaluing' them. An NFT is not necessarily tied to crypto currency. An NFT is just a digital container of information.

If an interaction with the cash shop becomes mandatory in any shape or form, I'm out.
I'm already ignoring any mmorpgs that doesn't offer a subscription option, where said option allows me to completely ignore the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Mysticp

Buying Items on Mogstation that sit on SE servers - all good
Buy items on Mogstation that sit on blockchain - in 5-10 years 95% of people will be screwed!

Makes no sense really. Anybody can get screwed on any item that has value. This will always be the case if demand crashes.

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Nah buying stuff on mogstation is a waste of money but I can at least understand it. The thing with NFT's that is so dangerous is people getting fooled into the fantasy that they are going to make tons of money and this pointless NFT is going to be worth more in the future. Also majority of the big companies getting into the NFT space are actually selling you nothing ( you won't own the rights )

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Originally Posted by Enla

Ask the multitude of artists who had their work illegally minted on Opensea and who have to go through Google to get it taken down how that worked out for them. Or the many Japanese artist accounts on Twitter that got hacked and turned into NFT accounts overnight. The amount of people in the art community I know that actively try to avoid NFTs but have to fight every damn day to keep their work from being minted and resold is staggering. And none of the NFT sites are of any help, Opensea in particular has been almost impossible to work with according to many of the artists who have had more than one work stolen. NFTs by design and by the very nature of the people who pursue them are not avoidable. This isn't like a gacha game where you don't /have/ to pull and will just suffer in the F2P bin. If it gets added to games it's not avoidable.

Also I quite like the planet being what it is. The last thing I want to see is it burn faster because cryptobros think they can get rich off of monopoly money.

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This is all anyone needs to know about NFTs. It's an absolute wild west right now with how little regulation there is and with how little anyone cares about copyright. All anyone cares about with the NFTs is making money and that's both the scammers and the actual platforms. It's an absolute nightmare being an artist on the internet right now, having your artwork stolen and sold as NFTs is a non ending deluge of bullshit. There needs to be a huge lawsuit against these platforms and they will get destroyed in court I can guarantee that, it's like they enable the rampant theft and making money off the work of others.

As others have said, there is no way NFTs could add anything positive to gaming that we can't accomplish already with the means available to us. This is just a means for corporations to try to make money off the latest get rich quick scheme and that's all it is here, in gaming for.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Ugh... lol. I tried to learn what NFT's are and I gave up. I cannot be bothered with this. Whatever it is, I'm sure it won't affect my game, were it to be implemented.

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OOF If anyone truely thinks this will not be meet by huge amounts of backlash your delusional. Remember games before micro transactions? good times

This will sound bad but I'd have a higher chance at quitting due to nft's then if the ceo murdered someone

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Originally Posted by Oichi

https://www.theverge.com/22310188/nf...crypto-art-faq

It's a pretty good explanation, methinks.

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I'm starting to understand now. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by forsakee

OOF If anyone truely thinks this will not be meet by huge amounts of backlash your delusional. Remember games before micro transactions? good times

This will sound bad but I'd have a higher chance at quitting due to nft's then if the ceo murdered someone

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I'm not "delusional" about anything. I'm out of the loop. But at the same, I don't see the issue. And from what I understand, the issue ain't even here yet. Everyone needs to chill.

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Originally Posted by Listrella

I don't get what the big deal is, you don't like NFT, don't use them, end of story.

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Here, I'll help you. In the past as a gamer, if you went to the store and bought a game, you got a complete finished product. Period. Games didn't release in a broken mess that they could fix later(or never) while raking in money hand over fist. That happened when gaming moved primarily to digital. It also came along with early access gaming as the big corporations saw that people would throw money at developers despite their games being unfinished and broken.

Then we saw micro transactions begin with simple DLC content. We were told "Don't worry, this is just like an expansion but less so that you don't have to wait so long for new content!" And what has happened over time is that day 1 DLC started happening where they actively removed parts of the finished game to sell it back to us. Then they started adding more and more 'microtransactions' for all sorts of things. Not just content anymore but outfits, items, boosters, etc.

Then they came out with lootboxes and at first it didn't seem so bad. A game like Overwatch seemed very fair with its lootboxes to where if you never bought one it was okay. And overtime companies have continued to expand upon the lootbox mechanics to slowly turn games into virtual casinos with the main focus on making money over gameplay.

NFTs are continuing that trend. They'll tell you how awesome they are, how they can revolutionize gaming, etc. All they are are a way for companies to make more money without doing any work. Ubisoft, right NOW, is selling NFTs in Ghost Recon. All they are are pieces of gear in the game that people have to pay real life money to have. They own that item(with a unique serial number). What does that mean? Nothing. Nothing at all. They own a tiny bit of code and some digital art...but ONLY the version with THEIR serial number on it. A billion other people can buy the exact same item that just has their own serial code attached to it.

Right now it seems like "Okay, so what's the big deal? I just won't buy them and it doesn't affect me." But the problem is that this is how EVERY scummy anti-consumer practice in video games has started. Every single one of them started by making it seem like it wasn't a huge deal. Players get made apathetic to it while whales continue to give the companies money for nothing. Eventually the companies push developers to incorporate the new money making scheme into their games. That's how we got ingame stores in full priced AAA titles. And it will happen with NFTs as well.

I'm a bit lost. Has there been any official info about NFTs going to be used in FFXIV? How will they be used?
I mean, I want to get angry too, but I need to know the facts first.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

I'm a bit lost. Has there been any official info about NFTs going to be used in FFXIV? How will they be used?
I mean, I want to get angry too, but I need to know the facts first.

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Not in FF14 itself, but the wording in the CEO's statement and disregard of concerns over NFT's as reactionary has led many people to voice their concerns ahead of time. For right now we don't know if NFTs will ever come to FF14. And for that matter they very well might not given how FF14 is sold on Steam and Steam has anti-NFT policies in place that require no small amount of hoop jumping to get around. However it is not far-fetched to assume that any moderate success with NFTs in other SE owned games would see a push for them to be added to FF14.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Not in FF14 itself, but the wording in the CEO's statement and disregard of concerns over NFT's as reactionary has led many people to voice their concerns ahead of time. For right now we don't know if NFTs will ever come to FF14. And for that matter they very well might not given how FF14 is sold on Steam and Steam has anti-NFT policies in place that require no small amount of hoop jumping to get around. However it is not far-fetched to assume that any moderate success with NFTs in other SE owned games would see a push for them to be added to FF14.

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Aah, I see. Thank you for explaining!

I'm not a fan of SE outside FFXIV (and I'm certainly not planning to buy their €80 remakes for pc), so I can't say I'm surprised. For now, I'll be cautious and observe what they plan to do with NFTs, if they end up doing anything at all.

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

Here, I'll help you. In the past as a gamer, if you went to the store and bought a game, you got a complete finished product. Period. Games didn't release in a broken mess that they could fix later(or never) while raking in money hand over fist. That happened when gaming moved primarily to digital. It also came along with early access gaming as the big corporations saw that people would throw money at developers despite their games being unfinished and broken.

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That line speaks to me alot. In the early 2000's you actually owned a physical copy of your game. You didn't have to endlessly update your game because the developers couldn't be arsed to finish their product. I also think the slow march of everything being digital has significantly contributed to the downfall of this industry. There were expections that had to be met. Developers had to work days only to deliever the best possible experience until launch. Most of the time, what you had was an awesome experience.

Then came the Horse Armor with Oblivion. Small DLC's that on the surface didn't seem like much harm. It opened the path to worse however. Now take a good look at EA and the Sims series and that's how bad things have gotten.

Don't know much about NFT but can we just go back to playing games that were made with passion? Like that's a foreign concept. What happened to developers that wanted to delight and entertain? Companies treat consumers like we're not supposed to know better and hey that's good for us. Very depressing times indeed.

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Originally Posted by Mysticp

Incorrect. And this is the problem. People do not understand blockchain. The items are not stored on a server central to SE. The items exist on the blockchain. SE gives up control of them once they are created on chain.

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That's not how NFTs work. A link to the item and history of ownership exists on the blockchain, not the item itself.

You would have proof that you own the digital item linked at:
<www.ffxiv.nft/I_bought_an_NFT_and_all_I_got_was_this_stupid_T-shirt>

If the web host went down, your NFT is gone. If the web host changes the link, your NFT changes.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Steam has banned them and the game is on steam.

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You're right! I forgot about that. Should help keep FFXIV safe.

Am I the only person who doesnt understand what an NFT is and how it will be added to the game? From what I understand its a crypto currency but why is it bad if you get multiple ways to pay for the game?

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Originally Posted by Juun

Am I the only person who doesnt understand what an NFT is and how it will be added to the game? From what I understand its a crypto currency but why is it bad if you get multiple ways to pay for the game?

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NFT is a pic (for example a pic of yshtola) with an attachment or whatever that proves that you are the owner of that said thing, not the copyrights though if that isn't explicitly said you don't own that. Then you sell it to the next person for a bit more and it goes higher and higher and higher.

But what creators actually do is selling it to a friend for like 50 dollars and that friend sells it to another friend for like 200 and then to another one for 1000 so the money never leaves the friend circle. Until someone from outside buys into it at which point you make thousands of dollars in net profit and the NFT becomes a dangerous gamble and whoever will hold it last is the one that loses basically all their money and is stuck with a worthless pic.

So basically it is a scam, plain old and simple. Artificial price inflation like you see on the stockmarket sometimes. Until it crashes down and leaves a bunch of people ruined.

And a NFT is no currency, it is like a stockmarket share. You can sell it maybe but you can't buy any shit with it at all. Just that there is no regulated market behind it or anything, if nobody buys your shitty yshtola pic you sit on a yshtola pic you paid 10k dollars for, grats.

I hope that FF14 will avoid the current NFT scam.

It makes no sense to push it on a product like FF14. They stand to lose far more than they gain with it.

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Originally Posted by Juun

Am I the only person who doesnt understand what an NFT is and how it will be added to the game? From what I understand its a crypto currency but why is it bad if you get multiple ways to pay for the game?

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And to add the reason WHY people are against it.

NFTS ARE A CRAZY UNREGULATED PSEUDO STOCKMARKET GAMBLING SCHEME IN WHICH THE ONE WHO HOLDS THE SHARE AT THE END IS THE ONE THAT CAN SAY GOODBYE TO ALL THEIR MONEY FOR A STUPID PIC OF AN UGLY PRIMATE.

AND PEOPLE FEEL THAT SE IS A COMPANY THAT SHOULD RATHER FOCUS ON BRINGING JOY THROUGH GAMES TO PEOPLE INSTEAD OF RIDING WITH BELOVED CHARACTERS ON A DIGITAL SCAM SCHEME TO MAKE SOME QUICK BUCKS FOR THE CORPO SUITS UP THERE. CAUSE THE ONLY ONE WHO REALLY WINS IN THIS SCHEME IS THE CREATOR THEMSELVES AND THEY EVEN STEAL ART FROM ACTUAL ARTISTS TO SUBMIT IT TO THIS NFT SCAM SCHEME.

IT IS NEITHER A CURRENCY YOU CAN BUY ACTUAL GOODS WITH AND NEITHER IS IT REAL ART YOU WANT TO HOLD ONTO. IT IS A TRADE TOKEN LIKE A STOCKMARKET SHARE THAT HAS NO VALUE BEYOND WHAT VALUE PEOPLE PUT INTO IT AND WITHIN A NOT REGULATED MARKET THAT IS A BUBBLE THAT CAN BURST AT ANY MOMENT.

Hope that is enough for a reason to be against it, if not...well...i weep for your non existing morals.

Its pretty simple folks, if you add NFT to the game. I'm done, sub cancelled. I do not like this shit in my games.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

i didnt see a future where devs would sell dlc before it was even developed, but season passes are a common thing
"everyone is overeating about the horse armor" they said, "its an optional purchase" they said....

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And this is exactly what they want to have happen with NFT's in the game, people to say this kind of stuff.

The route I see them going is starting an addon store for the game. Where people/other companies can make glam items or emotes and sell them as NFT's to other players. So lets say the creator makes 1000 of a really cool glam set. The item sell's out, and now other people are willing to spend a fortune to buy the glam set off other players. Meanwhile Square will sit back and charge lets say a 5% fee on each transaction of said outfit.

This creation process would also allow them to approve or disapprove of what would be allowed. As I know they wouldn't let it turn into a free for all.

But that will be the beginning of the end for the game. And most people I honestly believe would be ok with it to start with. The argument would be that you are supporting creators/modders by allowing them to sell their work in a legit manner.

People just dont understand the madhouse it will devolve into. You already have plenty of people upset with just the mogstation. Wait till they see $1000+ NFT outfits or emotes lmao

I would also like to add my reservations to this list about adding NFTs to FFXIV.

I've been subbed to FFXIV continuously ever since 2.0 came out, I haven't cancelled it once. If NFTs do get added I would have to reconsider this and it would hurt because I love this game, but there are some lines I can't cross.
I and everyone already in the game "play for fun", not as an investment opportunity If I wanted that, I would actually go and invest my money into something real and tangible that already exists. Anything I spend in the Mogstation I spend with the understanding that I won't get anything back, and I am 100% ok with that because I know exactly what I'm getting and it's a way to support the game and the company.

FFXIV has surged in popularity without the need for trash such as NFTs etc. Square Enix, you are already earning at least £hundreds of millions from this game already, and you will continue to do so for a long time. Final Fantasy as a brand name is recognised and beloved the world over and as such will also earn £Millions every time a new one is released. You do not need to add NFTs into any of your games, especially not Final Fantasy XIV, in order to make money. I'm sure the dev team has already seen the myriad negative reactions to even just the hint that you might put NFTs into FFXIV so surely the wider business must recognise this too.

Nobody has asked for NFTs, nobody wants NFTs, and to consider adding environmentally damaging blockchain elements into the game when the world is already on fire is really not a good look.

I would like to add that I trust the FFXIV development team to continue to do what is in the best interest of the players, as they have proven for the last 10 years by their actions. This post is more aimed at corporate leadership (you never know they might see it) who would likely try to override the dev team to force them into the game. Certainly for me, and based on what I've seen across the internet since the announcement, adding NFTs into FFXIV will be nothing but damaging. Please, don't.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

NFT is a pic (for example a pic of yshtola) with an attachment or whatever that proves that you are the owner of that said thing, not the copyrights though if that isn't explicitly said you don't own that. Then you sell it to the next person for a bit more and it goes higher and higher and higher.

But what creators actually do is selling it to a friend for like 50 dollars and that friend sells it to another friend for like 200 and then to another one for 1000 so the money never leaves the friend circle. Until someone from outside buys into it at which point you make thousands of dollars in net profit and the NFT becomes a dangerous gamble and whoever will hold it last is the one that loses basically all their money and is stuck with a worthless pic.

So basically it is a scam, plain old and simple. Artificial price inflation like you see on the stockmarket sometimes. Until it crashes down and leaves a bunch of people ruined.

And a NFT is no currency, it is like a stockmarket share. You can sell it maybe but you can't buy any shit with it at all. Just that there is no regulated market behind it or anything, if nobody buys your shitty yshtola pic you sit on a yshtola pic you paid 10k dollars for, grats.

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But why would somebody pay 1K for a silly digital picture?
I can understand people paying quite a lot for a real picture drawn or painted on canvas by a famous person but to be paying the same for just something digital?


I also didn't knew what NFT was, I searched it up and you can buy a bunch of (most even look bad) pictures for so much money. Not even sure what the point of it is

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

NFT is a pic (for example a pic of yshtola) with an attachment or whatever that proves that you are the owner of that said thing, not the copyrights though if that isn't explicitly said you don't own that. Then you sell it to the next person for a bit more and it goes higher and higher and higher.

But what creators actually do is selling it to a friend for like 50 dollars and that friend sells it to another friend for like 200 and then to another one for 1000 so the money never leaves the friend circle. Until someone from outside buys into it at which point you make thousands of dollars in net profit and the NFT becomes a dangerous gamble and whoever will hold it last is the one that loses basically all their money and is stuck with a worthless pic.

So basically it is a scam, plain old and simple. Artificial price inflation like you see on the stockmarket sometimes. Until it crashes down and leaves a bunch of people ruined.

And a NFT is no currency, it is like a stockmarket share. You can sell it maybe but you can't buy any shit with it at all. Just that there is no regulated market behind it or anything, if nobody buys your shitty yshtola pic you sit on a yshtola pic you paid 10k dollars for, grats.

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Thing is this can be any digital product. Let's say a glam in game.

To all that don't support this trash,hope we win. Thing is this is just the next whale hunt. The CEO know well that most people hate it. Same as most hated pre order, free to play but cash shopes games
Now 5his is the norm and most openly exept it.

SE said that in 6.1 they’re coming out with in-game character profile pages where you can pick an avatar and do various stuff to “customize” your profile. I would be very unsurprised if one way we see NFTs introduced into this game is in the form of pictures for your profiles. NFTs are “non-fungible” tokens, with “non-fungible” effectively meaning that they’re one of a kind, so you could, for example, be the only person in the game to have a specific picture of Y’shtola or something. These are different from securities that are traded on the national stock markets because those have to be fungible (i.e., one of your common shares has to be exchangeable for another common share without there being any differences between the two), and they are currently unregulated in the US (as the SEC has yet to deem them a security) and thus they’re super, super shady. They’re basically a digital version of beanie babies.

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Originally Posted by DoH

SE said that in 6.1 they’re coming out with in-game character profile pages where you can pick an avatar and do various stuff to “customize” your profile. I would be very unsurprised if one way we see NFTs introduced into this game is in the form of pictures for your profiles. NFTs are “non-fungible” tokens, with “non-fungible” effectively meaning that they’re one of a kind, so you could, for example, be the only person in the game to have a specific picture of Y’shtola or something. These are different from securities that are traded on the national stock markets because those have to be fungible (i.e., one of your common shares has to be exchangeable for another common share without there being any differences between the two), and they are currently unregulated in the US (as the SEC has yet to deem them a security) and thus they’re super, super shady. They’re basically a digital version of beanie babies.

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What prevents me from copy paste it? It's a scam and the moment people try to see it as any thing but a scam is the moment it starting to get more legit.