Mods and cheat engine

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

It isn't hurting you

if you want cool things get a PC

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Kindof hard with the chip shortage atm tho.

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

Kindof hard with the chip shortage atm tho.

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It's not. PC parts are hard to come by but prebuilts are pretty easy to get still.

Oh no, who allowed these people to SIT???

Yoshi P says it's gray area. The philosophy of the game is to enjoy it and to not worry about DPS numbers etc... He wants to avoid people being reported for using ACT and other third party programs like texture mods because he find its mundane but it crosses the line when it becomes harassment. Don't ask, don't tell is a pretty obvious policy. Most importantly, he understands that part of the community will want to use such tools and he can't stop and will not want to stop people from using third party applications / modifiers. He said something like "where is the line drawn? You can copy and paste everything in excel and macro it so you know. You can use a calculator and do it by hand, it would take time but you can do it. You can have multiple buttons on a mouse, so is that a third party program?" etc... (A bit paraphrased ofc)

Basically, in a hypothetical situation -- if you use it for your personal references, they can't condone it but they don't want to be bothered by other players reporting this player because it's a waste of time. HOWEVER, if you take those numbers or have a nude mod let's say and you publish it publicly, then that becomes harassment and you will be penalized for harassment first and using a third party tool second.

He doesn't ever want to know what programs you have installed or running, that's our privacy he says. He also doesn't want to see things like "Prove DPS XXX" in party finder as the normal thing and well, there's never going to be official ACT support either because he's 100% confident it will cause harassment.

As long as you're not harassing others, it shouldn't be a problem I think. He's pretty clear that if you want to use it hypothetically, know that if one day they decide to ban third party tools you may get suspended but until then; definitively don't use them to harass other players. I think that players can also get into trouble for needlessly reporting other players about allegedly using third party tools since unless a player says it in chat, there is no evidence.

I don't know his opinion on using bots, or what is considered a bot. Is a macro a bot? Is using an instrument player a bot? I'm not sure. I do know that if there are actual RMT / player bots gathering and playing dungeons I'm sure to report those. But I don't really care about the ones in cities playing music using a third party program. In fact, how the heck do you even play an instrument with a game controller or keyboard? It's really hard, you literally will need a third party program at the very least to connect to your piano.

(reached character limit) pt 1....

(pt 2)

At the end of the day I ask you all... Is someone using a third party program to enjoy the game even more, to improve themselves better really a bother to you? What if they have a physical disability and need to use a third party tool to play? This isn't call of duty where it's competitive, there is PvP, yes and there are bots playing PvP and they should be banned. But for the most part, people are using programs like ACT to find out how they can improve their abilities.

We should be thankful that Yoshi P has allowed us to play this game without spyware to preserve our privacy. He is a gamer like us and knows that there are things that are inevitable. Let's be civilized and not break his trust and if hypothetically a third party tool is used, it's not used to harass other players.

Here is Yoshi P's stance (Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU

Is it just me, or am I seeing a ton of these threads where people are wondering what others have on their computers. Like who cares. Is it effecting your gameplay?? Otherwise these threads are useless.

When I log onto this game I am not wondering who is using what mod and why. It does not effect me, so I don't care. I don't pay a monthly sub to wonder what person is using mods and why. But then again I tend to mind my own business and not worry about everyone else.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

It's not. PC parts are hard to come by but prebuilts are pretty easy to get still.

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Really? I guess it'll depend on the build maybe? I never looked into it as all my friends on PC tell me to never go prebuild with a cartoony long list of reasons why.

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

Really? I guess it'll depend on the build maybe? I never looked into it as all my friends on PC tell me to never go prebuild with a cartoony long list of reasons why.

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It's perfectly fine to buy pre-built. They're not as expensive as they used to be. I bought one because I didn't want to bother fighting bots buying video cards so I only spent maybe an extra $200 versus if I had built it myself. I did have to replace the front panel fans almost a year later but the cost was negligible. The parts are all ASUS/Samsung/Nvidia/Intel. Don't worry about it, I build my computers whenever I need a new one but because of scalping bots, it's just better to buy a pre-built one. Don't buy a HP/Dell/Compaq etc... You should buy something made with premium parts from Newegg or another vendor where you can see exactly what's inside and has a 1yr warranty. Like I said, don't buy cheap computers like a HP or Dell and you'll be fine. A cheap $1000 computer is more than adequate for FF14 and right now is probably a good time to buy since companies might still be overstocked from Christmas.

Regarding Third Party software as long it doesn't affect other people experience regarding visual and gameplay I have no problem with it. But when you start seeing players doing stuff that you can't this is something that as inoffensive it seems, it gives the image of the game that you can do whatever and exploit everything, requiring to take a hardline stance to crackdown at everything.

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

Today I did see some fellow players that was using Cheat Engine to be able to sit on places there they should not be able to sit. [...] Teleporting to all mining nodes? Making character fly if you have not unlocked flying?

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that's a jump and a half to make about someone "editing" an emote

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

that's a jump and a half to make about someone "editing" an emote

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But that's the thing, if its "okey" to use "cheat engine" what will then stop players from doing other things.
What will come after when just sitting and sleeping surfaces isn't enough?
A friendly reminder about the EULA you all accept when using this game.

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2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

But that's the thing, if its "okey" to use "cheat engine" what will then stop players from doing other things.

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I mean, you, apparently.
Our moral compass.
Our necessary neighborhood watchman.
Our old lady in the window, rolling up the blinds just as we catch you watching us through those binoculars.

Watching us sit, like the degenerates that we are.
Such shameful displays of discourtesy to our fellow players.
Sitting.
How dare anyone flirt so much with such dangerous behavior? How do we survive the temptation of teleporting underneath the floors of the world after having a taste of that sitting animation?

We, and Square Enix, are very lucky to have concerned and ever-watchful citizens like you.
But I guarantee you, despite what impressions you got from reading the transcripts from Yoshi-P's recent radio show speech, you'd have a better time making them more "aware" of our transgressions by reporting the players and their heinous sitting (ugh, so disgusting!) in game, so that GMs can look into the situation and get them to stand up, like a normal, more "correct" player should.

Sardonicism aside, seriously, the devs will be just as aware, if not more so, about the situation if you let GMs in-game actually do something about it, assuming anything wrong is actually happening, instead of coming to the forums to vent out vague complaints.

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

I see many using the Cheat Engine so they can make their characters sit anywhere they want, even the /doze emote on surfaces. Isn't it time to implement a system so such things can't be used? Also make it so the game files can't be modified.

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Square-Enix have said before -- in these forums, even! -- that they don't care if folks are using ReShade or its forks (the FFXIV-focused GShade, or Nvidia's own Freestyle -- which actually lists FFXIV in the officially supported games with Square-Enix's blessing) to tweak the game's display for artistic screenshot purposes. They've just asked that those sort of screenshots don't put the normal copyright message at the bottom, so that people don't mistake them for stock shots.

They've also sort of indicated they don't really care much if folks are modifying poses/emotes/positions in GPose (when character data is entirely separated from anything the server cares about); if you've got a screenshot sitting on a railing reading a book, cool, enjoy. (Though if folks are using it to make porn they do sometimes step in and drop bans on them, likely because they have to if they want the game to maintain its existing age ratings.)

They actively care if people are using memory modification or network hackery to alter the game state in ways the server cares about, though. Botting, etc.

It sure would be nice if GPose included a lot of those options on its own, though, I grant you this. (Manually reposition your character, create custom poses, change the time-of-day and weather, etc.)

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

But that's the thing, if its "okey" to use "cheat engine" what will then stop players from doing other things.

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The reason game companies (and other places) write very broad TOS terminology ("If you use third-party tools you may be banned.") is so that they don't have to constantly revise it. If they said "No third party tools that alter the client's memory state in a manner that affects gameplay", someone'll make a tool that modifies the outgoing network traffic entirely separate from the game process, point to that and say "I didn't break TOS!" And worse, they'd be right. And then Square-Enix would have to sigh and go revise the TOS again to add something else you can't do, and wait for the next person to find a loophole.

Just saying "No third party tools or you may be banned." means if someone's using third-party tools in a manner you don't care about (i.e., shader injection for artistic screenshots, DPS parsing for personal improvement in your static, etc.), you're free to go "Meh. *shrug*" and ignore it, but if someone's using third-party tools in a manner that's problematic (i.e., botting or cheating), you're free to go "You broke the TOS, you are the weakest link, goodbye." and toss them out the door.

So, "What will stop players from doing other more cheaty things" is "if they get caught, they will get banned", as Square-Enix is free to enforce their TOS in that manner.

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

What will come after when just sitting and sleeping surfaces isn't enough?

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They sit and sleep in the sky and water?

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

They sit and sleep in the sky and water?

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Great, just great. Now I want this to be a thing. I want this to happen and I know it's not gonna happen and now I'm sad.

Thank you, very much, sir/madam.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Great, just great. Now I want this to be a thing. I want this to happen and I know it's not gonna happen and now I'm sad.

Thank you, very much, sir/madam.

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We can already float in the water, sleeping in the water is the obvious next thing! We have to push ffxiv towards the future that we envision! We will not be stopped by people such as this!

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Great, just great. Now I want this to be a thing. I want this to happen and I know it's not gonna happen and now I'm sad.

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Allow me to introduce you to the "/waterfloat" emote, already in-game; lay on your back dozing on the surface of any swimmable water!

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Allow me to introduce you to the "/waterfloat" emote, already in-game; lay on your back dozing on the surface of any swimmable water!

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It's not sitting though.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

They sit and sleep in the sky and water?

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You can already sit and sleep in the sky AND water and I think it's disgusting, SE ban please
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AchingImpr...ali-mobile.jpg
https://static1.thegamerimages.com/w...ying-chair.jpg

"It was just harmless sitting!!" They cried and shouted as XIV installed it's 10th layer of great value game guard brand malware to purity test your client and PC.

On the real I think people using cheat engine for sitting are goofy af, a little bit of searching and you'll see there's ways to get the exact same results just in Gpose and client side only instead. ya'll should just admit you only use the cheat engine version because you wanna be seen and get that sick limsa clout.

Developers should implement ingame solutions that is going to prevent people from messing with the game (access to non-default functions, emotes and such that other people can see and interract with).

This thread blows my mind. Cactbot literally tells you mechanics before the animations even happen. It’s a significant advantage over console players for many mechanics, even in ULTIMATES. If the game was only PC it wouldn’t be that big a deal, but it’s really insane how people convince themselves it’s fair that Square turns a blind eye to these things when half their playerbase is unable to use them. It really blows my mind

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Originally Posted by jamjeeshoul77

This thread blows my mind. Cactbot literally tells you mechanics before the animations even happen. It’s a significant advantage over console players for many mechanics, even in ULTIMATES. If the game was only PC it wouldn’t be that big a deal, but it’s really insane how people convince themselves it’s fair that Square turns a blind eye to these things when half their playerbase is unable to use them. It really blows my mind

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What is the difference though between cactbot and some one calling out mechanics over discord which is another thing console players do not have access to.

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Originally Posted by jamjeeshoul77

This thread blows my mind. Cactbot literally tells you mechanics before the animations even happen. It’s a significant advantage over console players for many mechanics, even in ULTIMATES. If the game was only PC it wouldn’t be that big a deal, but it’s really insane how people convince themselves it’s fair that Square turns a blind eye to these things when half their playerbase is unable to use them. It really blows my mind

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The thread is talking about cheat engine and not catbot

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

What is the difference though between cactbot and some one calling out mechanics over discord which is another thing console players do not have access to.

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I wasn’t aware people who do call outs are able to read hidden triggers in the client’s files to call out RNG mechanics before the animation even happens. It’s cheating….how is this not obvious? Why do people defend this?

Going back and reading people’s comments on these things, calling them “calculators” or “crutches”. It’s like people are intentionally ignoring the fact that these plugins tell you mechanics before the game gives visual indicators for mechanics. It’s cheating, it literally hacks the game’s files and reads hidden triggers that the fight designers don’t want the player to know. Instead of looking where the bad thing is coming from, it tells you where it’s coming from before you’re even humanly able to know where it’s coming from.

It’s so incredibly simple what these things are yet people just seem to love defending them and disagreeing with people who call it out.

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Originally Posted by jamjeeshoul77

I wasn’t aware people who do call outs are able to read hidden triggers in the client’s files to call out RNG mechanics before the animation even happens. It’s cheating….how is this not obvious? Why do people defend this?

Going back and reading people’s comments on these things, calling them “calculators” or “crutches”. It’s like people are intentionally ignoring the fact that these plugins tell you mechanics before the game gives visual indicators for mechanics. It’s cheating, it literally hacks the game’s files and reads hidden triggers that the fight designers don’t want the player to know. Instead of looking where the bad thing is coming from, it tells you where it’s coming from before you’re even humanly able to know where it’s coming from.

It’s so incredibly simple what these things are yet people just seem to love defending them and disagreeing with people who call it out.

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Even RNG mechanics have a visual action the boss makes before the move is executed or it has a cast bar. Most of the fights in this game are heavily scripted though with very few RNG mechanics. This was just a poorly thought out way to deflect the question because you know what the answer is. There is no difference. In then end you should be able to react accordingly when you see these actions. Some people lack the attention span or reaction speed to do this and benefit from a call out on the mechanic more so than others. But in reality there is no difference between cactpot/act calling out a mechanic and a person over discord calling out a mechanic.

I'm still just trying to figure out where this need for modding on console is coming from when modding on console isn't really a big thing in general? You can literally Google why modding isn't readily available on console compared to PCs pretty easily. I know Bethesda has done it with a couple of their games (Farming Sim as well) but outside of that, are there any other major titles that support modding for console?

Let's be real, Square isn't gonna give the stuff PC players have to console players and they're not gonna ban anyone who uses them either for reasons already stated in this thread. The only thing left to do is accept the situation for what it is really.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Even RNG mechanics have a visual action the boss makes before the move is executed or it has a cast bar. Most of the fights in this game are heavily scripted though with very few RNG mechanics. This was just a poorly thought out way to deflect the question because you know what the answer is. There is no difference. In then end you should be able to react accordingly when you see these actions. Some people lack the attention span or reaction speed to do this and benefit from a call out on the mechanic more so than others. But in reality there is no difference between cactpot/act calling out a mechanic and a person over discord calling out a mechanic.

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Using Cactbot makes you a bad player change my mind.

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Originally Posted by Ruru_Nayu

Using Cactbot makes you a bad player change my mind.

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What if I don't want to change your mind cause your mind is pure.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

What if I don't want to change your mind cause your mind is pure.

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Seems fair!

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Originally Posted by Koldan

Developers should implement ingame solutions that is going to prevent people from messing with the game (access to non-default functions, emotes and such that other people can see and interract with).

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This. Very much this.

/thread? ^^

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Even RNG mechanics have a visual action the boss makes before the move is executed or it has a cast bar.

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Cactbot can intercept network packets and predict some of these mechanics before the visual or castbar is executed client-side. This is something that is 100% impossible for a human shot-caller to do.

Cactbot can make 8 individual callouts simultaneously, giving separate instructions to each user that has it installed based on things like specific debuffs and such. A human shot-caller cannot do this.

Cactbot makes callouts instantaneously and never makes mistakes, even in fights that a group is brand new to. A human shot-caller cannot do this.

Cactbot displays a text overlay on your screen with specific instructions for some mechanics, as well as having a graphical timeline of all upcoming mechanics with their exact timestamps.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

But in reality there is no difference between cactpot/act calling out a mechanic and a person over discord calling out a mechanic.

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Cactbot is cheating, and has created a generation of useless players that sandbag extremely hard on patch days.

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Originally Posted by Bellsong

"It was just harmless sitting!!" They cried and shouted as XIV installed it's 10th layer of great value game guard brand malware to purity test your client and PC.

On the real I think people using cheat engine for sitting are goofy af, a little bit of searching and you'll see there's ways to get the exact same results just in Gpose and client side only instead. ya'll should just admit you only use the cheat engine version because you wanna be seen and get that sick limsa clout.

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Ehh, it's not really the same. With the sit thing, you can do it once with cheat engine and never have to do it again, or you can do it with gpose where you have to do it every single time plus getting the rotations and angles right each time.

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Originally Posted by Ruru_Nayu

Using Cactbot makes you a bad player change my mind.

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Relying on Cactbot makes you a careless player. But relying on a human raid caller does the same thing.

A raid caller -- whether automated or human -- should be a sanity check on your own read of mechanics, not a drill sergeant whose orders you blindly follow.

Sure, Cactbot can read a mechanic earlier than a human can in some cases. On the other hand, as I understand it there are mechanics Cactbot can't read/call in a sane manner, so will just be like "Do the mechanic now!" where a human could actually give better guidance. (Witness I've seen people blindly following Cactbot in P1S who die to Shackles of Time during Shining Cells consistently, and I've been told it's because Cactbot calls that in some sort of weird way.)

So it seems like there's places Cactbot will absolutely be better than a human raid caller, and there's places it'll also potentially be worse. And if you're relying on one rather than reading the mechanics for yourself, it seems like fundamentally the same problem to me regardless of whether it's Cactbot you're blindly following or, well, me.

I mean, the reason I raid-call is that it forces me to learn the fight's timeline and mechanics well enough that I can call them for other people. But I tend to assume they're going to be treating my callouts as reminders or a sanity-check, not as something they should blindly follow without question.

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

Today I did see some fellow players that was using Cheat Engine to be able to sit on places there they should not be able to sit. Told the person in a very polite way it's not smart using Cheat Engine. And they start defending the use of it. No one cares etc. They make me the bad person. What direction is this going to take if Square Enix won't stop this for good? Will everyone just not care and install and use 3.party software and be able to do whatever they want? What will be next? Teleporting to all mining nodes? Making character fly if you have not unlocked flying?

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Stop harassing other players

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Originally Posted by jamjeeshoul77

I wasn’t aware people who do call outs are able to read hidden triggers in the client’s files to call out RNG mechanics before the animation even happens. It’s cheating….how is this not obvious? Why do people defend this?

Going back and reading people’s comments on these things, calling them “calculators” or “crutches”. It’s like people are intentionally ignoring the fact that these plugins tell you mechanics before the game gives visual indicators for mechanics. It’s cheating, it literally hacks the game’s files and reads hidden triggers that the fight designers don’t want the player to know. Instead of looking where the bad thing is coming from, it tells you where it’s coming from before you’re even humanly able to know where it’s coming from.

It’s so incredibly simple what these things are yet people just seem to love defending them and disagreeing with people who call it out.

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Except it doesn't and I don't know where this idea that Cactbot does that came from.

It flashes up a bit of text like a WoW raid caller and doesn't literally go "YOU MUST MOVE TO THIS SPOT, YOU MUST MOVE TO THAT SPOT" it simply flashes the text up of what you would read anyway on boss cast bars or icon debuffs. It doesn't tell you anything else and some mechanics it tells you nothing at all.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Relying on Cactbot makes you a careless player. But relying on a human raid caller does the same thing.

A raid caller -- whether automated or human -- should be a sanity check on your own read of mechanics, not a drill sergeant whose orders you blindly follow.

Sure, Cactbot can read a mechanic earlier than a human can in some cases. On the other hand, as I understand it there are mechanics Cactbot can't read/call in a sane manner, so will just be like "Do the mechanic now!" where a human could actually give better guidance. (Witness I've seen people blindly following Cactbot in P1S who die to Shackles of Time during Shining Cells consistently, and I've been told it's because Cactbot calls that in some sort of weird way.)

So it seems like there's places Cactbot will absolutely be better than a human raid caller, and there's places it'll also potentially be worse. And if you're relying on one rather than reading the mechanics for yourself, it seems like fundamentally the same problem to me regardless of whether it's Cactbot you're blindly following or, well, me.

I mean, the reason I raid-call is that it forces me to learn the fight's timeline and mechanics well enough that I can call them for other people. But I tend to assume they're going to be treating my callouts as reminders or a sanity-check, not as something they should blindly follow without question.

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this is true.

Shining Cells it calls out the colour only (which you can literally see being casted anyway) and no text for the flails, you have to figure that out yourself.

The element stacks, it will only give you the colour you are debuffed by and nothing else, it will not solve the puzzle for you, you have to do that yourself.

Fourfold it will give you the debuff description as you get it (i.e 18S) it's up to you to solve it and it won't solve it for you.

It's basically just giving you the information you already have in a more easy to quick read format.

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Originally Posted by Rankina

Stop harassing other players

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It's not harassing other players. Please read the Rules & Policies as a reminder.

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2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

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2.6 Hacking and Circumvention. You may not hack, disassemble, decompile, or otherwise modify the Game or server computer code, whether the Game code is located on a DVD, Blu-rayTM disc, your computer/console or on Square Enix's servers, except as expressly permitted by Square Enix or applicable law.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Cactbot can intercept network packets and predict some of these mechanics before the visual or castbar is executed client-side. This is something that is 100% impossible for a human shot-caller to do.

Cactbot can make 8 individual callouts simultaneously, giving separate instructions to each user that has it installed based on things like specific debuffs and such. A human shot-caller cannot do this.

Cactbot makes callouts instantaneously and never makes mistakes, even in fights that a group is brand new to. A human shot-caller cannot do this.

Cactbot displays a text overlay on your screen with specific instructions for some mechanics, as well as having a graphical timeline of all upcoming mechanics with their exact timestamps.



Cactbot is cheating, and has created a generation of useless players that sandbag extremely hard on patch days.

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Say you've never seen Cactbot in use without saying it.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Cactbot is cheating, and has created a generation of useless players that sandbag extremely hard

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Yes, that's the reason. Uh huh.