People not waiting for other people to finish cutscenes....why?

I don't see the why in not waiting for someone to finish a cut scene? Why is it so hard to wait 10 seconds or so? Let people enjoy the experience how the devs perceived it to be. I will be waiting for the cut scene person. If 10 to 20 seconds of my time can help make a good memory for someone in a game I will gladly give them that it's how I feel. I'm not better than anyone but I know when I started if I told people hey I'm new most if not all the time they waited for me and I was so greatful they did so I could experience the story and full effects of the dungeon. I think a bit of communication can go a long way. Being new to something seems to have gained a bad stigma in some games but not here as far as I can tell. Maybe I'm weird.

As a sprout i leveled as whm, seeing all the cut scenes and once when the cut scene ends i was surprised that no team mates around me. They all jumped in without me and died :) I am always waiting for the other players to be ready. That s a simple rule.
Same with disconnect, waiting a few minutes should not be a problem.
I am playing dungeons to have some fun during my time, so i am never in a rush and always have time to wait for other players if needed. And waiting is good for use all the nice game emotes too.

This is really a non-issue. If its a cutscene I havent seen before I watch it, whether boss is pulled or not. If its a cutscene someone else is watching I refuse to engage in combat until they are done watching it. This includes if I am tanking or healing. If we wipe, oh well. Shouldn't have pulled. Story>All else in this game.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Allowing someone to die purposefully is what is considered griefing-specifically, if a sprout is watching a cutscene and someone pulls, and you aren't watching the cutscene either, you are supposed to join in the fight. Not sit on the sidelines. The sprout will largely be unaffected if they miss 10 seconds of a fight. Nothing interesting ever happens in the first 10 seconds.

If it is one of the 5 minute cutscenes? My apologies to the sprout but that's a full on movie at that point. The issue is SE's previous way of designing such instances. Nowadays they know better, for the most part. Having other people wait on you to finish the cutscenes is a privilege-not an absolute right. If a party has done well up to that point and we've gone at a decent pace then I don't mind waiting *a maximum* of 10 seconds. But if we are in an Alliance raid where nearly everyone has seen the cutscene? It is unreasonable to expect 23 other people to wait.

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Do you have a citation that the above mentioned is griefing? Personally I find it griefing to interfere with another players choice to watch an in game cut scene. Who do you think you are determining how long is an appropriate amount of time to wait to let someone else watch a cutscene? Lol what a joke.

The new TOS has explicitly outlined "aiding the enemy" as reportable behavior. Let me be clear, if you are in the cutscene it is 100% your right to watch it as you please. If other people want to wait for you then that is fantastic. Most cutscenes are not longer than 10 seconds so there really is no issue.

However-when it gets beyond those 10 seconds and drags on to 20,30, or even full minutes like certain ARR scenes:

You still have the right to watch the cutscene. You do not have to exit despite whatever flashes on your screen. You are immune to all damage and at best will miss a raidwide.

If your party pulls ahead and *if you are not watching the cutscene* and you decide to punish other people by letting them die then yes that is griefing. Simple as that. Do not underestimate people's ability to survive without a healer or tank.

If it is griefing to refuse to engage in a fight while someone else is watching a cut scene, then thats fine. I'll die on that hill.

Probably because we log into play FFXIV and not watch youtube? If we wanted to go watch youtube we would probably be doing that?

Virtue signalling: the thread

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Originally Posted by RocciaSolida

Virtue signalling: the thread

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Your character looks like a spooky twin of mine. :O

I admit I have done this, because considerable enough slice of players want dungeon to be fast. To those sprouts and healers, I'm sorry, my bad.
I have also eaten DF penalty leaving because of Healer/DPS running ahead of me and pulling. The latter has become more common lately, and I am not sorry for leaving you to die alone to boss.

I swear this will be my last post in the thread, considering that posts apparently are still getting deleted en masse and it's annoying to basically repost the same post every so often when someone attacks you, but seriously?

again there was not a single insult, not a single thing that would constitute any kind of rule breaking in any of the posts that got deleted so I'll ask for some transparency: why were the posts deleted? why is a moderator constantly removing pages of discussion, but leaving anti-lgbt and troll threads from KNOWN rmt botters up?

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

I swear this will be my last post in the thread, considering that posts apparently are still getting deleted en masse and it's annoying to basically repost the same post every so often when someone attacks you, but seriously?

again there was not a single insult, not a single thing that would constitute any kind of rule breaking in any of the posts that got deleted so I'll ask for some transparency: why were the posts deleted? why is a moderator constantly removing pages of discussion, but leaving anti-lgbt and troll threads from KNOWN rmt botters up?

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As i said on another thread already, it's not really that messages do have ToS violation that deletes them, just ppl reporting it again and again because they can't stand others opinion that doesn't fit their narrative.
It's a plague on almost every forum in the english-speaking world, they dont care if you bring argument if you're respectful etc they will report you for the sole reason that they dont like what you have to say, and since mods will do anything so things dont escalate they will do it as told, dont bring it on the mod they're just doing what they're told to do.
The more my post get deleted, the more i do know that someone couldn't stand what i had to say and since they dont have real answers to give me they try to hit from the back, which is funny to me and do not bother me at all, you should think the same about it it will ease your forum experience overall.

I highly doubt it's because of reports, because then the TM threads would be deleted just as quickly considering the amount of people that report them
it doesn't bother me that people have different opinions or if they report me, I just can't stand the double standard in moderation, just like I can't stand it in people

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I highly doubt it's because of reports, because then the TM threads would be deleted just as quickly considering the amount of people that report them
it doesn't bother me that people have different opinions or if they report me, I just can't stand the double standard in moderation, just like I can't stand it in people

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I guess it's harder for them to deal with threads more than just messages, because even if we do know that one is trolling as users, you can't simply delete a thread because "we think that he is".
If that was the case you would just need to report every thread from newcomers as saying they're rmt bots and bam it's gone, and some legit ones would be deleted too and that's something they're not willing to do.

I'm seeing a lot of threads that are talking about missing posts. I'm almost wondering if there is something wrong with the forums.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

I swear this will be my last post in the thread, considering that posts apparently are still getting deleted en masse and it's annoying to basically repost the same post every so often when someone attacks you, but seriously?

again there was not a single insult, not a single thing that would constitute any kind of rule breaking in any of the posts that got deleted so I'll ask for some transparency: why were the posts deleted? why is a moderator constantly removing pages of discussion, but leaving anti-lgbt and troll threads from KNOWN rmt botters up?

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This is why screenshot feature are so useful nowadays. :rolleyes:

When I was below lvl 50 I did a dungeon (don't remember which honestly it was a couple years ago) for the first time. When I got out of the cutscene before the final boss the boss was already dead and everyone had left the dungeon. The only reason it bothered me is a sense of guilt that I had not been able to do my part in the battle. I might just have an odd way of looking at things though.

I watch all cutscenes that are new to me. I want to see them once. I have the option checked to skip previously viewed cutscenes so I don't hold up a group a 2nd time for something I have already seen. If the group can't wait for me to view it the first time, oh well that is their issue not mine.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I'm seeing a lot of threads that are talking about missing posts. I'm almost wondering if there is something wrong with the forums.

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I doubt it, it's not that all posts in a certain timeframe just vanish, it's just when people are discussing things, sometimes even leaving the original posts that caused the discussion up, like in this case
it's just weird moderation and some transparency would be nice, but that's probably asking for too much

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

This is why screenshot feature are so useful nowadays. :rolleyes:

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gets banned because you took screenshots of what people posted without their consent or something

I honestly think that most people don't even realize.
I know that sometimes when I tank I pull and then I notice after the fact someone is watching the cutscene.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I honestly think that most people don't even realize.
I know that sometimes when I tank I pull and then I notice after the fact someone is watching the cutscene.

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That's fair. Especially right now, when folks are trying to zip through dungeons to prepare for EW, so, like you said, they probably just didn't notice and got like endgame tunnel vision going on. I think party leaders should just get in the habit of doing ready checks again, it's a great feature and everyone wins.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

When I was below lvl 50 I did a dungeon (don't remember which honestly it was a couple years ago) for the first time. When I got out of the cutscene before the final boss the boss was already dead and everyone had left the dungeon.

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My first Praetorium clear people killed everything so fast and left the instance, that I was getting the 10 min afk warning while the cutscenes were still playing in sequence. That was the only bad one. Other times I just watched and let others do the work.

Rude, impatient people