Season 2 Storyline (another 10 years) [discussion]

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

I highly doubt that. That completely sounds like someone trying to justify a "Season 1" story skip system and/or RPer desire for their character not to be the WoL. It also pretty much cuts off all side story plot setup that has already occurred due to our characters already being the WoL. That is not setting up a Season 2, it is setup up a sequel with a completely different main character.

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You never know with how things will turn out.

As I said, these are all just guesses and are expect to be wrong since we do not know what Yoshi-P and the development team have planned for the ending.

Only thing we know is that Season 2 said to be a new storyline that they want to be unrelated to the Zodiark vs Hydaelyn conflict due to having it all end in 6.0.

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

idea: the worlds combine and we visit them all as other continents
theres another 10 years or more

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How does that account for the First already being visitable as its own world though? If it weren't for Shadowbringers and Novrandt, I would say it's an idea that has potential, but given that they can't just remove that area from play, I can't see it happening.

Also the other shards don't have the landmass of Norvrandt... The First is special because 80% of it has already been destroyed to the Flood, but the other shards still have an Eorzea, and an Ilsabard, and Othard, and the New World, and Meracydia, and the Southern Islands...

These aren't small worlds, they're the exact same size as Hydaelin, plopping them into the Source would destroy ecosystems left and right. You think we did dirty to the Ondo on The Tempest? 99.9% of all sealife is going to get destroyed when you drop (6 reflections x 5-odd continents = at least) 30 landmasses on top of the world, and that's if we're "lucky" and those continents appear on "empty" parts. Otherwise Ishgard will get destroyed (AGAIN) when 3-6 different Kingdoms try to poof into existence IN it.

I'm not against visiting other shards, mind, but the logistics of having them physically appear in the Source is, to quote Yoshi-P "NIGHTMARE"

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

Also the other shards don't have the landmass of Norvrandt... The First is special because 80% of it has already been destroyed to the Flood, but the other shards still have an Eorzea, and an Ilsabard, and Othard, and the New World, and Meracydia, and the Southern Islands...

These aren't small worlds, they're the exact same size as Hydaelin, plopping them into the Source would destroy ecosystems left and right. You think we did dirty to the Ondo on The Tempest? 99.9% of all sealife is going to get destroyed when you drop (6 reflections x 5-odd continents = at least) 30 landmasses on top of the world, and that's if we're "lucky" and those continents appear on "empty" parts. Otherwise Ishgard will get destroyed (AGAIN) when 3-6 different Kingdoms try to poof into existence IN it.

I'm not against visiting other shards, mind, but the logistics of having them physically appear in the Source is, to quote Yoshi-P "NIGHTMARE"

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that guess is based around the idea that they may not increase the size of the planet to make room for them.

I believe Pigzig is accounting for the idea that the planet may actually increase in size as well which means the planet will be completely different from the size it is now so there will be room for all the new lands and civilizations.

There is also a possible event where the History of the planet is rewriten to account for all the new lands and larger sized planets if this path is taken at the end of Endwalker so people living on the planet may think the planet has always been this large and all these lands always been that way with WoL and maybe certain characters maybe the only ones who remember the planet being smaller and these lands were separated into 13 shards. Along with players who completed Endwalker being given a new World Map in there Map to show the larger planet now while players who did not complete Endwalker still have the original map from before the New World was created.

The "larger planet" idea has never made sense and I will be annoyed if they go that route.

It's not how rejoining works and it would make a horribly messy world map from a game perspective with the same continents repeating over and over, and that's before you get into the catastrophic effect it would have on each world's climate as they get jigsawed into some other place on a new map.

It's not just a nice fluffy idea, it's one that would be detrimental to the world as it is.

Imagine if we just dropped six Earths' worth of continents between America and Europe. Or three into there and another three into the Pacific. International trade and travel is thrown into chaos, countries that used to be close are now distant, migratory animals have lost their destination and may not find a suitable equivalent in the land that has replaced their home. Ocean currents would be disrupted. The whole thing would be as disastrous as any aetherial calamity.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The "larger planet" idea has never made sense and I will be annoyed if they go that route.

It's not how rejoining works and it would make a horribly messy world map from a game perspective with the same continents repeating over and over, and that's before you get into the catastrophic effect it would have on each world's climate as they get jigsawed into some other place on a new map.

It's not just a nice fluffy idea, it's one that would be detrimental to the world as it is.

Imagine if we just dropped six Earths' worth of continents between America and Europe. Or three into there and another three into the Pacific. International trade and travel is thrown into chaos, countries that used to be close are now distant, migratory animals have lost their destination and may not find a suitable equivalent in the land that has replaced their home. Ocean currents would be disrupted. The whole thing would be as disastrous as any aetherial calamity.

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On the other hand, I would be okay with that happening to one world, because that could be an interesting dynamic, and is also basically FFV. And in keeping with my love of liking to see the 'now what' aftermath of big epic stories, I've always wanted to know what happened three days after the end of FFV where two planets' worth of kingdoms have to get together to renegotiate borders because they now overlap.

It's not gonna happen, but if any of that 'soft rejoining' were to happen, that'd be the manageable and fun one.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The "larger planet" idea has never made sense and I will be annoyed if they go that route.

It's not how rejoining works and it would make a horribly messy world map from a game perspective with the same continents repeating over and over, and that's before you get into the catastrophic effect it would have on each world's climate as they get jigsawed into some other place on a new map.

It's not just a nice fluffy idea, it's one that would be detrimental to the world as it is.

Imagine if we just dropped six Earths' worth of continents between America and Europe. Or three into there and another three into the Pacific. International trade and travel is thrown into chaos, countries that used to be close are now distant, migratory animals have lost their destination and may not find a suitable equivalent in the land that has replaced their home. Ocean currents would be disrupted. The whole thing would be as disastrous as any aetherial calamity.

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That will be a issue if History is not Altered.

As I mentioned in my comment above, the way the One World scenario will work is if Reality itself alters the entire planet both appearance wise and history wise so that the world has always been that way. The WoL and maybe a select few of his/her companions may remember the old world being smaller and less civilizations but the new world will function as if it has always been that way since its own history has been altered to account for all possible additions to the planet. That includes animal behavior, country's trading routes adjusted to include civilizations that was never there before, geography of regions, and etc.

We also cannot be certain each shard has the same geography as each other as well despite starting out the same since each shard goes through their own geographical events that greatly alters the appearance of their land.

It is one of the more basic scenario when a One World Scenario happens for the History of the world to adjust itself to account for all possible issues and resolve them all due to how the history is altered.

However, as I said these are all just guess and we won't know how things will end until next week. (You know there will be those small amount that try to beat the entire Endwalker MSQ within 1 or 2 days.)

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

That will be a issue if History is not Altered.

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And I dislike that idea too. It's heading in the direction of a very shakey, inconsistent timeline and I don't want them to just be able to rewrite people's minds like that.

It's not good storytelling to me.

Additionally it still leads to the issue of an oversized and repetitive world map.

Combining would be incredibly messy; for example, Eulmore is located essentially on top of Limsa Lominsa, and there would be significant overlap between the zones so they couldn’t just exist in the same plane without throwing out old zones which complicates the whole mess.

I'm kind of expecting there to be a "partial" rejoining that links the shards to Source in a way that does not constitute their immediate absorption but allows them to transfer/exchange some aether, possibly as a necessary move for the world's survival.

It would certainly help keep the First relevant to the story when this is supposed to be the culmination of everything that's happened so far.

I would like to see more permanent transit capability between the source and first as well;

Like, were I the actual WoL and this not a game, priority 1 would be to establish a permanent portal to allow people to reunite etc... but more importantly to get Chai and Cid together to create my Power Armor.

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Originally Posted by Veloran

Now, this is wild theory territory here, but I'm going to suggest that all of this is symbolizing nothing less than WoL's own death. That the "THAT far?" we're going to go to is having the player's own character die at the end of the story, in an MMO. From there the next expansion will open with all players being forced to create entirely new alts to play though the new MSQ with. An ARRR if you will.

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So we're going to the shadowlands

Anyone figure out what the setup for the next arc is?

I thought it was Emet-Selch telling you before the last dungeon about other places in Eorzea you need to visit. It might also be the Ea talking about the heat death of the universe.

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we're due for a power level and stakes reset. Prepare for some recovery and smaller stories to cleanse the pallette. But yeah emet selch's speech basically said that the devs weren't giving up on those locales. I don't expect a fate of the universe story within the next 10 years.

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Originally Posted by iheartlove42

Anyone figure out what the setup for the next arc is?

I thought it was Emet-Selch telling you before the last dungeon about other places in Eorzea you need to visit. It might also be the Ea talking about the heat death of the universe.

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About the universe

I am not sure why the future death of the universe would be a plot point. That would be millions of years away.

But I agree that the things that Emet said might be the places we visit.

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Emet-Selch asking if we were familiar with Meracydia's current state of affairs felt like the biggest tease to me, since most of the other places sounded like lands we might visit just for adventure's sake, not to shine hope where it's needed.

Given that that the terminus beasts don't simply vanish with the passing of the Final Days, I feel like there could be lands outside of Aldenard that were stricken badly and still suffering from the fallout because the knowledge of the other continents seems scarce at best.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

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Emet-Selch asking if we were familiar with Meracydia's current state of affairs felt like the biggest tease to me, since most of the other places sounded like lands we might visit just for adventure's sake, not to shine hope where it's needed.

Given that that the terminus beasts don't simply vanish with the passing of the Final Days, I feel like there could be lands outside of Aldenard that were stricken badly and still suffering from the fallout because the knowledge of the other continents seems scarce at best.

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This, bigtime. The other lands most likely didn't have unity and/or a group like the Scions to clean up the messes, so janitor duty might be in order for us going forward. Merycidia, the New World, the Southern Islands, etc. Not glamorous, not a world ending threat, but something we would feel duty bound to do, while still being a "new" adventure.

Plus, you never know, all those places might have some REALLY good grapes for us to taste.

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Originally Posted by ArkenaeuxBelmont

This, bigtime. The other lands most likely didn't have unity and/or a group like the Scions to clean up the messes, so janitor duty might be in order for us going forward. Merycidia, the New World, the Southern Islands, etc. Not glamorous, not a world ending threat, but something we would feel duty bound to do, while still being a "new" adventure.

Plus, you never know, all those places might have some REALLY good grapes for us to taste.

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I honestly won't be surprised if they even lacked Primal problems until the Final Days kicked in.

Our knowledge of the world has always been limited to Eorzea and anyone involved with Garlean Empire near Eorzea but we never gone into the lands beyond that the Garleans have yet to touch nor get much mention about

I would definitely like the next story arc to just be the Scions dealing with more local problems and exploring the world, instead of dealing with world or universe ending threats.

Especially considering the threat we just defeated is the incarnation of nihilistic apocalypse. Like what else would there be left after that?

Otherwise the story will start to suffer big time. It's the issue WoW has faced, after WOTLK they had to dig deeper into fluff lore to find villains and it went off the rails becoming bad since they delayed fighting the villain setup by Warcraft 2 for 4 expansions instead filling with with stuff from the appendixes of the Warcraft 3 manual. Then after that its just nonsense. The MCU is dealing with it too because nobodies gonna be able to really live up to Thanos and as well acted as Kang is he's a bit too comical. Really comic books in general have a huge issue with it. The Star Wars sequels suffered this as well both in its old EU books and the new movies. A ton of animes that go on for too long have this issue as well, which is why the more well regarded series tend to run for at most 200 episodes and the kino stuff is 25-60 episode series.

I agree that continuously raising the stakes will just be... comical, at one point. I'd like the future arc to take a step back and have the WoL return to their adventuring roots: exploring for the sheer joy of it.

If I was hyped for any part of Emet's teases, it was... ok, everything, but in particular the "golden cities" in the New World, which sounds like a huge reference to El Dorado. And if the New World is the American continent (or "the Americas" if you're from the country that named itself after the continent) there's a crapload of stuff to explore. The Nomadic tribes in the north are very different from the Settlers in the South, even if this is a New World pre-colonization. Of course, we already had a Mayincatec civilization in Ronka, so another one in the New World may be too similar-yet the myth of El Dorado is specifically thought to be in Colombia, also parts of Venezuela and Brazil... or it could be about the Seven Cities of Gold in what's now the New Mexico desert aaaand I'm rambling.

Point being, there's still a lot of undiscovered places in... the world that we don't need to go looking for lost civilizations in the stars. Heck, the map of Ilsabard is STILL covered in clouds over 4 years later.

Emet was right, we haven't even explored most of the KNOWN world

Not to mention, we also have Dalmasca and specifically Valnain to visit... Fran owes us an invitation. :^)

I haven't looked at every single HB in this thread so I don't know if anyone's already posted this but here are all the things [spoiler] talks about after talking about a new tale beginning.

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Originally Posted by (spoiler)

Only then may it rise again and a new tale begin--with new parts for all to play.

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• Tell me, have you been to the ruins beneath the waters of the Bounty?
• Or the treasure islands beyond the frozen waters of Blindfrost, in Othard's north?
• The fabled golden cities of the New World? The sacred sites of the forgotten people of the south sea isles?
• What about Meracydia, the southern continent? Do you know aught of its present state of affairs?
• ...I thought not. Even of your little Eorzea, you know precious little. The true identities of the Twelve, for instance.
• All of which is to say: expand your horizons. Go forth and seek discovery. Some of the civilations in the reflections will surprise you.

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Originally Posted by (Spoiler)

As the bearer of Azem's crystal, you may consider your duty to see at least that much.

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So far we know the alliance raid has something to do with the Twelve. Some time over the course of the next superarc I fully expect us to see all the rest as well.

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Originally Posted by iheartlove42

I would definitely like the next story arc to just be the Scions dealing with more local problems and exploring the world, instead of dealing with world or universe ending threats.

Especially considering the threat we just defeated is the incarnation of nihilistic apocalypse. Like what else would there be left after that?

Otherwise the story will start to suffer big time. It's the issue WoW has faced, after WOTLK they had to dig deeper into fluff lore to find villains and it went off the rails becoming bad since they delayed fighting the villain setup by Warcraft 2 for 4 expansions instead filling with with stuff from the appendixes of the Warcraft 3 manual. Then after that its just nonsense. The MCU is dealing with it too because nobodies gonna be able to really live up to Thanos and as well acted as Kang is he's a bit too comical. Really comic books in general have a huge issue with it. The Star Wars sequels suffered this as well both in its old EU books and the new movies. A ton of animes that go on for too long have this issue as well, which is why the more well regarded series tend to run for at most 200 episodes and the kino stuff is 25-60 episode series.

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Yoshi-p mentioned Season 2 story is going to be unrelated to Season 1 story so we may not see the Scions for a while since...

they all went their separate ways in Season 1 ending to deal with their own issues and begin establishing their new path in life now that their long time mission is over. They even closed down the Rising Stone to symbolize they are truely separating to move on with their own life paths now.

My best guess WoL will start a new journey and build a new set of companions for Season 2 during the first part of Season 2 storyline being 6.1 to 7.0. Then either during 7.0 or 7.1 to 7.55 the Scions slowly return due to word spreading about WoL getting involved in stopping a new world ending threat crazed Antagonist. Though I expect Estinien to be the first to return due to the words he told WoL in the finale before everyone left the Rising Stone when it closed down.

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that aside...

I am also interested to what kind of civilization they may introduce as well. Especially in regions never touched by the Garlean Empire and remains unexplored.

They may even introduce a 2nd technology advance civilization if they wish in those unknown regions since littler amount of lore has been established yet involving those locations.

Not to mention what kind of Jobs they may introduce due to the new civilizations introduced.

I do hope to see a sword/gun job as a DPS job either as a Modern Assassin Job, Corsair Job, or a Noctis/Yozora Job.

The sword/gun job being Corsair job opens up the opportunity to bring back Corsair Job and into FF14 similar to how they basically brought FFXI Scythe Dark Knight into FF14 as Reaper.

As for the other two, being a Modern Assassin or Noctis/Yozora Job, these are just out of interests to see how Yoshi-p and the development team may figure out how these may work since Modern Assassin Jobs are rare to see in video games and the Noctis/Yozora Job aspect brings in a interests to have a flying sword combat focused job either as a melee dps or range dps. It will also provide a interesting insight about how yoshi-p and the development team handles as Flysing Sword combat job since Flying Sword jobs is more common in Wuxia style series compared to other fantasy series so it is not often seen outside of Wuxia series. The Noctis/Yozora Job aspect can work either way for being a DoW or a DoM Job. The Modern Assassin Jobs being rare in video games is often the effect of how difficult it is to make a Modern Assassin work gameplay wise and lore wise but it is a interesting aspect that may provide new opportunity due to how less explored the Modern Assassin Job is.

Though I won't deny I have some person interests in Modern Assassin job concept since it is my favorite style of combat in games that manage to introduce Modern Assassin Jobs but as I said it is a job rarely seen due to difficulty introducing it gameplay and lore wise.

Major Locations -
Nagxia - Capital Valnain
Corvos
Dalmasca (proper) - Capital Dalmasca
Meracydia
Aerslaent
Koshu - Capital Bukyo

Special -
The New World (Unknown - Other side of the World maybe?)
Mysterious Floating Land above Garlemald (look at the map)
Unknown Islands north of Koshu (look at the map)

Lesser Locations -
Nhalmasque
Republic of Landis
Mazlaya
The Dalvalan Grath
The Unpromised
The Pearl
Cape Mete
Isle of Haam
Nagyn
The Cieldalaes
Isle of Yorn


I suspect Corvos might end up being a Post-game zone after 6.0 (I have suspicions), and not part of any future expansion.

I know the Devs. were talking about Dalmasca earlier, likely see this place soon. They clearly already made the cities via cutscenes, so it is possible they're going to re-use those resources from that and re-use the assets from the Ivalice Alliance raids.

I don't think we will see Nagxia and Koshu any time soon if its way too similar to the other Far East regions (don't think they will rehash old ground for the moment on that).

Meracydia has been heavily leaned on for a long time.

I feel like Dalvalan Grath and The Unpromised seem very highly mysterious, and if you look closely at the map... the landscape west of it seems very similar geographically.

Isle of Haam or Isle of Yorn..either one might be the Island sanctuary (MAYBE)

The Mysterious Floating Land seem really mysterious, and at first I thought it could be the Sea of Clouds or Ayz Lla, but its no where near Garlemald I'm pretty sure.

Unknown Islands North of Koshu - No Names attached, nothing is known.


If I have to place my bets the next story will go to...in terms of another expansion -

Dalamasca - Meracydia - The Void as a few ideas.

I think The Voidsent will be the last big bad, they're not exactly gone and the WoL only managed to piss them off alittle bit back in the Crystal Tower Raids.

I have a question when it comes to the geography. The current "world map" that we have, that only contains the three great continents (Aldenard, Ilsabard, Othard), kinda reminds of Europe to East Asia northern hemisphere. Is this map just one part of the northern hemisphere of Hydaelyn? If yes, then damn, this world is really huge.

Now I'm kinda wondering where Meracydia is in southern parts. Is it the "Australia" counterpart or the "Africa" counterpart? I mean the places in Hydaelyn aren't exactly 1:1 but Hydaelyn geography is a bit inspired of our world.

With Meracydia, if it is the Africa counterpart, I ask myself whether Tiamat and Bahamut ruled the whole of Meracydia or only the northern parts.

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Originally Posted by symbiote129

I have a question when it comes to the geography. The current "world map" that we have, that only contains the three great continents (Aldenard, Ilsabard, Othard), kinda reminds of Europe to East Asia northern hemisphere. Is this map just one part of the northern hemisphere of Hydaelyn? If yes, then damn, this world is really huge.

Now I'm kinda wondering where Meracydia is in southern parts. Is it the "Australia" counterpart or the "Africa" counterpart? I mean the places in Hydaelyn aren't exactly 1:1 but Hydaelyn geography is a bit inspired of our world.

With Meracydia, if it is the Africa counterpart, I ask myself whether Tiamat and Bahamut ruled the whole of Meracydia or only the northern parts.

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Watch the world from the Moon zone: You can see Meracydia AND the New World as it turns. They've already mapped out the Remaining 2 major continents of the world they'll be added in over time.

New World is 'Murica, Meracydia is basically Austraila.

As for the other shards, there IS a possibility of there being a FFV style plot of the worlds being merged into one down the line (there's a barrier seperating the different shards but what if that barrier begins to fail with the dissapearance of both Zodiark and Hydaelyn now that they've finally been dealt with).

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Originally Posted by Raiya

Watch the world from the Moon zone: You can see Meracydia AND the New World as it turns. They've already mapped out the Remaining 2 major continents of the world they'll be added in over time.

New World is 'Murica, Meracydia is basically Austraila.

As for the other shards, there IS a possibility of there being a FFV style plot of the worlds being merged into one down the line (there's a barrier seperating the different shards but what if that barrier begins to fail with the dissapearance of both Zodiark and Hydaelyn now that they've finally been dealt with).

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If they were to do that to any shards, I speculate it'd be to the First and the Thirteenth, the two shards that have taken the most damage. Their energies would cancel each other out for the most part, and open up a brand new world to explore...and depending on how it's done, with minimal issues.

I feel the Void still has a lot of work it needs done before we could really integrate it.

And I’m not sure anything stood out, I do wonder if we will have overarching villains (again) or not. Hard to imagine that being done but at the same time I’m not sure a bunch of unrelated stuff fits how they’ve done XIV.