why so much players have a rush mentality

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

if i have 1 gil each time i hear this.
say HI or do an emote and nothing more for the rest of the run. just show this small human thing.

can be its just this same people starting to DEMAND YOU play faster really fast.


so all the people that say this are you for the most part don't like the game? i don't try to be mean or make fun here. its just how it sounds. waht i get is we rush to make it over faster as we dont want to be an extra sec in this shit.

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How does the demanding work tho?
Or maybe you ever thought that you might be too slow with picking up one mob at the time?
And sorry, but if people simply don't want to type, it's their right.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

if i have 1 gil each time i hear this.
say HI or do an emote and nothing more for the rest of the run. just show this small human thing.

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Where is it stated that they MUST? Let people not respond. If you don't like it, accept that and move on. Why do you think you are owed a response of any kind?

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if i have 1 gil each time i hear this.
say HI or do an emote and nothing more for the rest of the run. just show this small human thing.

can be its just this same people starting to DEMAND YOU play faster really fast.


so all the people that say this are you for the most part don't like the game? i don't try to be mean or make fun here. its just how it sounds. waht i get is we rush to make it over faster as we dont want to be an extra sec in this shit.

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People are not obligated to greet you. Nor are you obligated to greet other people; honestly sometimes people just forget or are farming a certain dungeon for relic progression or glamour farming that they don't notice when someone is typing in chat. Some people do a quick "o/" or "o7" and that's it. Literally, you're not required to respond to other people and vice versa. How is that so hard to understand for you? Do you feel offended when people don't respond? If so, you really need to chill.

And like other people have stated before in previous replies; the playerbase for the most part prefer big and relatively quick pulls. If you don't like it, find like minded people to run dungeons with you, since majority always wins in dungeon situations when it comes to pacing. If a healer pulls an extra pack to bring it to you, fine. If a DPS does it as well, also perfectly fine. You have tank stance, AoE abilities and sprint for a reason. Use it accordingly and adjust for your group. It's really not hard.

This thread is taking a weird turn. Not only should groups slow their pace down, they should also be having full blown conversations? I signed up for a dungeon run, not a social outing with online strangers.

I'll give a greeting, usually 'heya' or 'o/' and say 'gg' and/or 'ty' before leaving but once we take off, the only keys on my keyboard being pressed are my ability keybinds. Every once in a while i'll give brief explanations for a fight if requested but that's about it really.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

that is where you are wrong. i start by saying hi or hallow and the ask people how are they. thing is normally i get ignored even by that point and the healer run off. i try to ""force"" people to talk in chat. but if i find my self talk to the walls then i stop.
but when people are willing to be nice and at last say hi/hallow to the party all be well and nice.

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It feels strange a social game, mmo, that players are not very found of socialize, i like chat with new players too, i tried sometimes, but not always they take conversation further. Sword Art Online may be the perfect MMO simulator that you play solo, I tried too, didn't like it.

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Originally Posted by Fellgon

It feels strange a social game, mmo, that players are not very found of socialize, i like chat with new players too, i tried sometimes, but not always they take conversation further. Sword Art Online may be the perfect MMO simulator that you play solo, I tried too, didn't like it.

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I think it is more NA/EU culture?

My time in JP dc usually we greet each other and say goodbye after the run. Tank would ask healer if they can handle big pull, and if healer feel the pull too small they usually speak and not just run pass the tank to pull more pack. We also chat when someone on cut scene, make jokes

Now I move to EU dc, it does seem people are less talkative, other than alliance raid I rarely see casual chat. I still see people greet but overall people seem to be in rush, a lot of time players disappear before I could even give a commendation

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

I think it is more NA/EU culture?

My time in JP dc usually we greet each other and say goodbye after the run. Tank would ask healer if they can handle big pull, and if healer feel the pull too small they usually speak and not just run pass the tank to pull more pack. We also chat when someone on cut scene, make jokes

Now I move to EU dc, it does seem people are less talkative, other than alliance raid I rarely see casual chat. I still see people greet but overall people seem to be in rush, a lot of time players disappear before I could even give a commendation

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I talk mostly wen in group of gamers, wen in a group of people that don't play game I'm quiet too, its easier wen the group have same hobby as me. But I'm from brazil, i cant tell for all from Brazil, but in my family culture we make much jokes, like give hugs and socialize, but I have to be honest that I'm not one of most funny. I have more dark sense of humor, not many like this kind of humor. I have relatives that are soo good in timing of joke, that you laugh so much till you get sick of laughing.

why are you expecting people to have full blown conversations in 15ish minute dungeons? you have limsa, gridania and uldah to socialise, not to mention various RP hubs and FCs

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

that is where you are wrong. i start by saying hi or hallow and the ask people how are they. thing is normally i get ignored even by that point and the healer run off. i try to ""force"" people to talk in chat. but if i find my self talk to the walls then i stop.
but when people are willing to be nice and at last say hi/hallow to the party all be well and nice.

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Given this, why would I even want to talk with you? Why would anyone?

Regarding op... It's because this game was designed to be like Wow. Had the battle system been designed more like final fantasy 11... This would be a little slower paced. Right now we have a mmo-lite situation

I mean, as a tank, you can usually sustain 2 packs(Most of the times being the "wall to wall") sometimes even 3 if you feel daring, there is absolutely no reason to pull pack by pack, aside from making everyone involved bored. Healer barely will need to heal, DPS... I guess to DPS is the same, it just has a bit more of down time, and as Tank you barely have to pay attention to anything.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

How does the demanding work tho?
Or maybe you ever thought that you might be too slow with picking up one mob at the time?
And sorry, but if people simply don't want to type, it's their right.

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it's their right the same way as its the tanks right to pull how ever fast or slow they want. How does the demanding work tho? people starting pull in your place or the healer start pulling you.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

Where is it stated that they MUST? Let people not respond. If you don't like it, accept that and move on. Why do you think you are owed a response of any kind?

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i nom't. i find it rude but people can be like that. but then why people think the tank owed them any thing? cant they just accept and move on?
or may be just talk and ask of what you want in place of force it and create a negative situation.

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Originally Posted by Lexis

This thread is taking a weird turn. Not only should groups slow their pace down, they should also be having full blown conversations? I signed up for a dungeon run, not a social outing with online strangers.

I'll give a greeting, usually 'heya' or 'o/' and say 'gg' and/or 'ty' before leaving but once we take off, the only keys on my keyboard being pressed are my ability keybinds. Every once in a while i'll give brief explanations for a fight if requested but that's about it really.

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where i ever say this? say hi/hallow or do an emote or any form of it you like and nothing more. non asking you to talk all the run. wjy make a2 sec thingy something it is not.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

it's their right the same way as its the tanks right to pull how ever fast or slow they want. How does the demanding work tho? people starting pull in your place or the healer start pulling you.


i nom't. i find it rude but people can be like that. but then why people think the tank owed them any thing? cant they just accept and move on?
or may be just talk and ask of what you want in place of force it and create a negative situation.

where i ever say this? say hi/hallow or do an emote or any form of it you like and nothing more. non asking you to talk all the run. wjy make a2 sec thingy something it is not.

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Alright if communication is what you want, then take the rescue to move you or people pulling ahead of you as them saying "Hey tank can we go faster?"

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Originally Posted by Xirean

Alright if communication is what you want, then take the rescue to move you or people pulling ahead of you as them saying "Hey tank can we go faster?"

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Onlly they do not. That's the thing.

OP, you're doing big pulls (As you've stated before but people keep ignoring that, oh well..). You wanna know why despite you doing big pulls, people still pull the mobs before you correct?
I think you'll understand this mentality after you level more jobs and experience other roles' perspectives.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

OP, you're doing big pulls (As you've stated before but people keep ignoring that, oh well..). You wanna know why despite you doing big pulls, people still pull the mobs before you correct?
I think you'll understand this mentality after you level more jobs and experience other roles' perspectives.

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This is not my first account. I played all but healers at max level.and I don't get what peoples problem.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

I came here with an open mind thinking OP was gonna talk about the people rushing MSQ to get to raids or something...

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No worries, I came in here thinking I was going to take part in a discussion about the mentality of people who really dig 'Tom Sawyer' or 'The Spirit of Radio'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_QtO0Rhp0w

Get that Rush mentality. o/

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

that's the hole point.
problem most are not willing to do it. they will ignore you. or just never be willing to except what you ask for.

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If latency is not too bad for you, JP dc would definitely fit you better.
Generally, we are less “rush” and bit more talkative. Most of the time tank take first 2 pack as a gauge to test how the team handle, rarely see non tank player rushing ahead to do the pull

instant gratification generation

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

If latency is not too bad for you, JP dc would definitely fit you better.
Generally, we are less “rush” and bit more talkative. Most of the time tank take first 2 pack as a gauge to test how the team handle, rarely see non tank player rushing ahead to do the pull

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I can give it a go.but as I am from Israel the time I can play at can be a problem.

This has nothing to do with a rushing mentality. There is simply no reason to do single pulls in dungeons, the only exception being if you happen to be grouped with a healer that is practically brand new to playing MMO's. There is nothing fun or engaging about taking longer than is required to finish a dungeon by pulling one pack at a time, from both a healing and a tanking perspective.

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

instant gratification generation

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What you mean?

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

well it sucks when its the first time and people force the fast run on you never let you to even see the dungeon.
and talk yo people in ff14 is a problem as most dont want to even look at chat.
most just run never even give a fuck to say hi,

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I cant tell you how many times I get a dungeon that Ive apparently already done...but I cant remember ever being there because the first time it went by so fast I dont even remember what it looked like :(

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

Onlly they do not. That's the thing.

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They don't do what? Type? I know, you've made that clear. I said take their actions as communication.

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Originally Posted by Fellgon

It feels strange a social game, mmo, that players are not very found of socialize, i like chat with new players too, i tried sometimes, but not always they take conversation further. Sword Art Online may be the perfect MMO simulator that you play solo, I tried too, didn't like it.

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There are a lot of people playing MMO's that would be better suited to be playing a single player game.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

I can give it a go.but as I am from Israel the time I can play at can be a problem.

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I am afraid different DC have different “majority”, may be create a new alt in other DC just to feel how the general community are and decide if it is wise to relocate to different DC.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

They don't do what? Type? I know, you've made that clear. I said take their actions as communication.

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Some one in a basketball game punch you in the face in place of telling you to do something. Take it as if you get what he wanted.
There a chat and it not that hard to use.
And before you start no one must use nothing or do anything.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

Some one in a basketball game punch you in the face in place of telling you to do something. Take it as if you get what he wanted.
There a chat and it not that hard to use.
And before you start no one must use nothing or do anything.

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Did you seriously just compare getting punched in the face to someone pulling some mobs? You know what, I'm done. You're hopeless. Good luck being miserable.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

Some one in a basketball game punch you in the face in place of telling you to do something. Take it as if you get what he wanted.
There a chat and it not that hard to use.
And before you start no one must use nothing or do anything.

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"Pulling a mob is the same thing as getting punched in the face."

Good Lord you are softer than a sheet of silk. No person in their right mind should be comparing a player pulling a few enemies in a video game to getting decked in the jaw in real life. Get outta here with that nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

Did you seriously just compare getting punched in the face to someone pulling some mobs? You know what, I'm done. You're hopeless. Good luck being miserable.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

"Pulling a mob is the same thing as getting punched in the face."

Good Lord you are softer than a sheet of silk. No person in their right mind should be comparing a player pulling a few enemies in a video game to getting decked in the jaw in real life. Get outta here with that nonsense.

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yes i give an extreme example for a reason.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

yes i give an extreme example for a reason.

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No one is going to take you seriously whatsoever in any sort of argument if you do that. In fact, any point you're trying to make right now has been thrown out because you made such a ridiculous comparison. Because of that alone, people are also going to assume that you're trolling so if you want to be taken seriously; dial it back a little.

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Originally Posted by nebby00

No one is going to take you seriously whatsoever in any sort of argument if you do that. In fact, any point you're trying to make right now has been thrown out because you made such a ridiculous comparison. Because of that alone, people are also going to assume that you're trolling so if you want to be taken seriously; dial it back a little.

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but you never did from the start so what it change here? i know what i did say and i know why.

If you have the expectation that people want to communicate with you or not prioritise exp in exp roulettes that is a you problem not a rush mentality.

Now if your doing your best and your pulling as much as you think your party can handle and someone isn't happy with that, that's there problem.

Also there is a difference between backseat gaming and advice or suggestions and because tank is the most visible role you'll get back seat gamed more than any other role. My advice is ignore it and if they want to pull and do your job it's only fair you let them tank to.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

but you never did from the start so what it change here? i know what i did say and i know why.

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I can't speak for everyone else, but the reason I didn't take your "topic" seriously from the start is because it's yet another person whinging about other players going too fast and not letting the tank pull, in a long line of similar topics. Seriously, this horse has been beaten to death so many times even the Ascians don't want to touch it. You don't even have to go to the next page to find several other threads just like this one that are still being actively posted in.

You want my opinion? Nut up, put on your big boy britches and pull like Satan himself is on your heels. Or shut up and find like-minded players that want to take the scenic route, or run with NPCs.

Tired of the same dang thread with a slightly different coat of paint popping up on the front page.

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

My advice is ignore it and if they want to pull and do your job it's only fair you let them tank to.

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So essentially you're gonna let someone else tank because why? Not taking aggro - means not doing your job. Taking aggro takes 1-2 buttons. If you don't want people to do your job, you should probably try and be faster. Also people could pull something accidentally too.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

, this horse has been beaten to death

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoPFaYoCNbw ;)

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

but you never did from the start so what it change here? i know what i did say and i know why.

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The reason why I didn't take your argument seriously from the start was the fact the tone came across as entitled. Like you're entitled to other people having to respond to your greeting or getting upset if someone just so happens to pull before you. Now, I'm never going to agree with you at all since I've already stated my points before and you can find like minded people like yourself in game who can play together with you at a pace you enjoy and have the interactions you desire. Expecting the same from random people who just want to get their roulette/farming out of the way isn't going to get you anywhere fast. That and this topic is particular is annoying to see come up constantly. Forgive me if my patience is a little bit thin since I am tired of going over the same points for the past month in different threads in and outside of the forum and people still not understanding that it is better to find like minded people or adapt to the majority in a group setting (with obvious exceptions like handicaps).

So if you're going to even hope of trying to communicate your point better, try not to compare apples and oranges, because quite frankly it devolves into people just thinking that you're just trolling. And besides, I won't dismiss an opposing point outright because I disagree with it until it verges on the point of ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

So essentially you're gonna let someone else tank because why? Not taking aggro - means not doing your job. Taking aggro takes 1-2 buttons. If you don't want people to do your job, you should probably try and be faster. Also people could pull something accidentally too.

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Not really what I meant, I said it poorly.

I'm not gonna go afk at the wheel and if someone accidentally pulls I have no issue dealing with mistakes. It's more the run in front and pull everything healer or dps because they want to go faster. If the AoE misses and I have to stop to save them every pack at a certain point I'm not gonna care and deal with it at the end of the pull or they can just come to me. As for being fast, I go as fast as I can if it's too slow for some people it doesn't give em pass on playing badly as well.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

I can't speak for everyone else, but the reason I didn't take your "topic" seriously from the start is because it's yet another person whinging about other players going too fast and not letting the tank pull, in a long line of similar topics. Seriously, this horse has been beaten to death so many times even the Ascians don't want to touch it. You don't even have to go to the next page to find several other threads just like this one that are still being actively posted in.

You want my opinion? Nut up, put on your big boy britches and pull like Satan himself is on your heels. Or shut up and find like-minded players that want to take the scenic route, or run with NPCs.

Tired of the same dang thread with a slightly different coat of paint popping up on the front page.

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Ever think it's a problem going on that in no way get solved and just getting worse over time?

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

So essentially you're gonna let someone else tank because why? Not taking aggro - means not doing your job. Taking aggro takes 1-2 buttons. If you don't want people to do your job, you should probably try and be faster. Also people could pull something accidentally too.

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They can and I at first will ask them to stop. But if they go out of they're way to do it I will let them.