Garuda Weapons are weaker than Mog!!

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Originally Posted by Treach

Someone send out the bat signal for kaeko so he can explain again for like the 100th time why base damage is more important then delay.

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Don't have someone else fight your battles, tell us yourself :D

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Correct me if im wrong, but we've never had weapons with a delay this low so....any prior research is rendered invalid in light of the fact the game has just changed.

I suggest you learn to accept this.

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Math, also please stop trolling.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

"Delay makes no difference when compared to base damage."

"But dis delay is lower den all da udderz."

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Herp derp

+10 int makes no difference

Owait I guess +50 int doesn't either.

That was the train of logic you just used, cmon son lol...let's be smart.

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Originally Posted by Treach

Math, also please stop trolling.

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LOL you have no math for these weapons! Seriously, you have no math to begin with. Hot air over stuff you haven't even used, parsed, or tested.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Herp derp

+10 int makes no difference

Owait I guess +50 int doesn't either.

That was the train of logic you just used, cmon son lol...let's be smart.

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Since when does delay affect damage, crit damage, etc?

Since we're being real here...

What about the new crafted weapons? For example
Sarnga (Bow)
Damage 106
Delay 4.1
Projectile 100%
Dexterity+7
Piety+7

Base damage is higher than Ifrit's. It is also meldable.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Since when does delay affect damage, crit damage, etc?

Since we're being real here...

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What the hell does that have to with AA DPS ?

And the fact that Garuda weapon have + Crit attack power would suggest it makes a difference, its impossible to sit here and say how much though without using a parser and many many fights.

Just looking at it I would say they are fairly comparable and not anywhere near enough to be getting worried about it.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

What the hell does that have to with AA DPS ?

And the fact that Garuda weapon have + Crit attack power would suggest it makes a difference, its impossible to sit here and say how much though without using a parser and many many fights.

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Since when does INT affect AA DPS? =o

we should have faith in you? lmao ... who are you again? youre just a poster, you have as much cred as any of us.
pro tip: im not cool, neither are you.. its the freakin internet
i do agree with you in one thing tho, ifrits will top garuda weapons , regardless of builds.
it wont make them garbage though, well.. to you it will, clearly youre just the avarage min/maxing keyboard wizard dork

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Since when does INT affect AA DPS? =o

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PGL/MNK ?

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Since when does delay affect damage, crit damage, etc?

Since we're being real here...

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Delay may not affect damage, but that "CRITICAL ATTACK POWER +40" stat might.

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Originally Posted by Treach

Math, also please stop trolling.

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Unless you are bringing in hard data, you are only letting your ass speak on your behalf. Don't tell someone they are wrong without proving it.

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Originally Posted by Starfall

What about the new crafted weapons? For example
Sarnga (Bow)
Damage 106
Delay 4.1
Projectile 100%
Dexterity+7
Piety+7

Base damage is higher than Ifrit's. It is also meldable.

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It is also for ARC only.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Since when does delay affect damage, crit damage, etc?

Since we're being real here...

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Do I really need to explain the relation between dps and dph? They are equals. Delay means you deal damage more often, thus making up for dealing less damage per hit. You do less damage for higher frequency. Or you can do more damage for lower frequency. If you average the two, assuming the weapons are equal, the overall damage would be the same over a given length of time.

In Garuda's case, it actually deals more damage over a given length of time in terms of raw damage output. This does not factor in criticals/weaponskills/attack power/accuracy/crit attack power etc etc.

If you look at Ifrit weapons, and look at Garuda weapons...they balance out. Ifrit, for example has no accuracy on the harpoon..but it has 30 attack power. Garuda has a whopping 25 acc, so it will hit more often (as in less misses) than ifrit. But wait, there's more. Garuda has a bonus to crit attack power, which means its criticals will do more proportional damage than Ifrit's weapon's criticals. If you factor in *everything*, its pretty easy to conclude they are equals...or at least very very close, and that Garuda weapons are not trash as some troll was trying to say.

Those garuda weps for mnk will not be better for mnk if that was the case you could out dps ifrit claws with the honeyclaws from last patch. If ws didn't have timers on them then we could have an argument but in this case we don't.

You guys wouldn't believe the math even if it was explained to you lol, the troll is strong here. Also closing this topic as this really doesn't matter to me what you guys think and I don't need another 3hr ban.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Unless you are bringing in hard data, you are only letting your ass speak on your behalf. Don't tell someone they are wrong without proving it.



It is also for ARC only.

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Bah.. missed the "ARC only".. this makes me sad :(

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Originally Posted by Treach

You guys wouldn't believe the math even if it was explained to you lol, the troll is strong here.

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Lol except, there is no math for these Garuda weapons. Now who is trolling?

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Originally Posted by Firon

Those garuda weps for mnk will not be better for mnk if that was the case you could out dps ifrit claws with the honeyclaws from last patch. If ws didn't have timers on them then we could have an argument but in this case we don't.

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Not even if you are attacking from behind > blindside > increased crit attack power ?

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Originally Posted by Treach

You guys wouldn't believe the math even if it was explained to you lol, the troll is strong here.

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Anyone that uses ifrit weps enough know they beat everything atm =/ those new gc weps might be a good alternative with the good base dmg and those sanction buffs.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Anyone that uses ifrit weps enough know they beat everything atm =/ those new gc weps might be a good alternative with the good base dmg and those sanction buffs.

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A very good point

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Not even if you are attacking from behind > blindside > increased crit attack power ?

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No ifrit weps are better all around don't matter. Lets say you do 1.4k howling fist normally with ifrit claws. Use garuda claws and only getting 1.2k even with the crt attack power + 40. Even when i had Cobalt claws + 1 and over 80+ crt attack power on a body piece still couldn't out dps ifrit claws.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Anyone that uses ifrit weps enough know they beat everything atm =/ those new gc weps might be a good alternative with the good base dmg and those sanction buffs.

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Yet you haven't tried the Garuda weapons and have already made up your mind, even without evidence to suggest otherwise.

Shame on your Frion lol

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Originally Posted by Firon

No ifrit weps are better all around don't matter. Lets say you do 1.4k howling fist normally with ifrit claws. Use garuda claws and only getting 1.2k even with the crt attack power + 40. Even when i had Cobalt claws + 1 and over 80+ crt attack power on a body piece still couldn't out dps ifrit claws.

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Cobalt claws are less DPS... Oo

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Originally Posted by Firon

Anyone that uses ifrit weps enough know they beat everything atm =/ those new gc weps might be a good alternative with the good base dmg and those sanction buffs.

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GC weapons have trash stats. And the ones they showed in the video are class only which makes them auto-suck.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Yet you haven't tried the Garuda weapons and have already made up your mind, even without evidence to suggest otherwise.

Shame on your Frion lol

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Lol beliefs are a funny thing, once instilled, they blind ppl. Ppl will still be hailing Ifrit even post 2.0, nothing you can doooo

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

GC weapons have trash stats. And the ones they showed in the video are class only which makes them auto-suck.

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DO you know what GC weapons are Alpha? I think maybe you are confusing them

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Yet you haven't tried the Garuda weapons and have already made up your mind, even without evidence to suggest otherwise.

Shame on your Frion lol



Cobalt claws are less DPS... Oo

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Base dmg on cobalt claws are higher than garuda..... and i couldn't beat ifrits wep dmg....

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Originally Posted by Firon

Base dmg on cobalt claws are higher than garuda..... and i couldn't beat ifrits wep dmg....

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Because they have less dps. Garuda has more dps. I mean...cmon man!

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Because they have less dps. Garuda has more dps. I mean...cmon man!

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Good lord do you guys even play this game Base dmg > all on weps. If a wep with higher base dmg is doing less than ifrit what makes you think one with even lower base dmg is gonna do better?

Servers are up! Yippe!

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Originally Posted by Firon

Good lord do you guys even play this game Base dmg > all on weps. If a wep with higher base dmg is doing less than ifrit what makes you think one with even lower base dmg is gonna do better?

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Well i'll let you have fun in your delusions..ima go play now lol

those pics are missing saction..

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Don't have someone else fight your battles, tell us yourself :D

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Best part is, unlike you, Kaeko actually did testing and calculations, so it's not fighting battles for anyone, it's telling you facts (that you always like to ignore.)

exactly, wich is why i have a disdain for this type of arguement, because its mostly min/max mentality , not all, just saying theres alot of it, too much IMO. garuda weapons wont be garbage just because they dont out parse ifrits, they will have their place, wether its situational, aesthetic, or just best choice for players that dont have ifrits.

i only take issue with min/max dorks (not all min/maxers btw, just the elitist wannabes, no youre not and cant be an elitist , youre playing a game) who post worthless crap like "garuda weapons are garbage " more like what you said is garbage

People keep squawking about the Garuda weapons having superior TP gain, but they seem to be forgetting that lower delay will yield lower TP per hit. Also, the lower delay is not going to give a noticeable TP gain over Ifrit's unless the fights last a long time.

Ifrit's also has +30 ATT power on top of far superior base DMG, so both the WS and auto attack are stronger. Also, higher delay = more TP per hit. Sorry but outside of the Staff and Sword, for 40 headdresses and rewards from the supposedly hardest battle yet, they suck.

Most people know slightly lower tp a hit but more overall hits = more TP gain in the long run =\

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Most people know slightly lower tp a hit but more overall hits = more TP gain in the long run =\

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Yea... it CAN depend on the situation though... for instance... on Morbol with MNK, TP is NEVER the thing holding you back.... Its hate and cooldowns... in which case a faster delay does nothing for you

Hi All,

What's really strange is that using Square's "DPS" Stat on weapons in this latest patch, SE is claiming that Ifrit's Axe and Malignant Mogaxe are the same DPS.

Did they make an adjustment for this patch?

Or if not, SE's official DPS # may be misleading to the average player using that as an accurate measurement / stat.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

Hi All,

What's really strange is that using Square's "DPS" Stat on weapons in this latest patch, SE is claiming that Ifrit's Axe and Malignant Mogaxe are the same DPS.

Did they make an adjustment for this patch?

Or if not, SE's official DPS # may be misleading to the average player using that as an accurate measurement / stat.

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It's just base damage divided by delay
It doesn't take into account extra stats like Ifrit's +30 ATK
Its pretty much an accurate depiction of what would happen if the two weapons went head to head in an auto-attack battle

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Yea... it CAN depend on the situation though... for instance... on Morbol with MNK, TP is NEVER the thing holding you back.... Its hate and cooldowns... in which case a faster delay does nothing for you

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Right..it only gives you more AA dps when you're not using Weaponskills. Completely useless, owait.

It only gives you an extra 25 acc whereas ifrit gives none. Compeltely useless...owait.

It only gives you an extra 40 att power...completely useless...owait.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Right..it only gives you more AA dps when you're not using Weaponskills. Completely useless, owait.

It only gives you an extra 25 acc whereas ifrit gives none. Compeltely useless...owait.

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Monks don't miss on Morbol, ACC = waste on MNK Morbol

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

It only gives you an extra 40 att power...completely useless...owait.

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It is when it has less Base Damage.... You should know that
Im not saying it would never be useful
I even used the word "Situational"

Is the TP granted by Store TP materia a set amount, or a percentage? If it's a set amount, it may be worth stacking with a low delay weapon