Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

hopefully in 6.0 they resolve the issues. Rooting for you all.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

The moment I saw that 2B's hairstyle was added I was like :DDDDDDDDDDDD, then I remembered I play Viera and was like :(((((((((((((((((((((.

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I know it’s probably wishful thinking but I really, really hope that they retrofit some of the hairstyles for viera, and this will be one of them. The 2B hair is the perfect length I want for my viera. ;-;

Also just remembered something: the tank/drg hat from the Nier raid this patch works on viera/hroth. I don’t know how it sits on Hroth but on viera it sits and looks very similar to the little quaintrelle hat. So if any of you (like me) liked that hat a lot and have those classes leveled, fyi!

Honestly, like you all I just want one of two things to happen:
1. Either tell us what's going on by sharing a roadmap of the plans for Viera & Hrothgar for hopefully near future.

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2. Tell us STFU- We are not doing anything Veira & Hrothgar are staying as they are so we can stop holding on to false hope.

As someone who works in development- this is just poor communication. We are considered stakeholders and should have some sort of progress update. And there is no shame on if the work can't be done stating it.

I am not picky- I don't want all the hair of the other races magically granted to work ( though would be nice), I don't want to complain about how older hats in game dont work. ( though they should). I just want Information about what is being done if anything at all. And if nothing is done or is planned to be done I would like to hear that as well. At least then I will have an answer!

Though I will state is pretty poor to release a whole expansion and several new hair styles specific to the expansions and not make them wearable for all races- but that's a different soapbox.

Please just COMMUNICATE!!!

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

The moment I saw that 2B's hairstyle was added I was like :DDDDDDDDDDDD, then I remembered I play Viera and was like :(((((((((((((((((((((.

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These were my feelings exactly. It's also the last straw for me. At this point I am beyond frustrated with the lack of hairstyles and helms. I can understand the time it would take to change old content but excluding two races from content cycle they were released in is lack a slap in the face. I mean lets drum up excitement for two new races in Shadowbringers then quietly never work on them or mention them again. As soon as I get the 2B hairstyle, I'm switching races to be able to actually enjoy all the content the game offers and not just everything below the neck.

I really want more hairstyles for my Viera. I finally got my dream race, don’t neglect it SE!

Bumping for the megathread promotion! I've been reading the comments on the smaller threads for months, hopefully this will get some attention. OP, you might find that the title format MEGATHREAD: Viera and Hrothgar Issue Discussion might get you more attention with the devs. Or I could be completely off base. I don't even know if you can change the title of posts once you post them here... But in any case, I hope this megathread catches on!

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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

Bumping for the megathread promotion! I've been reading the comments on the smaller threads for months, hopefully this will get some attention. OP, you might find that the title format MEGATHREAD: Viera and Hrothgar Issue Discussion might get you more attention with the devs. Or I could be completely off base. I don't even know if you can change the title of posts once you post them here... But in any case, I hope this megathread catches on!

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Thanks! I'll change the title right now!

Replying to add my voice to the choir. The current selection of hair Viera have at the moment wouldn’t be as bad if half of them didn’t contain accessories/armor. I like the pigtails but hate the flowers that I’m forced to wear. We can’t even have the small amount of things we have access to without having to accept the dumb embellishments that don’t match a lot of styles.

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Originally Posted by flipwizardmagoo

Replying to add my voice to the choir. The current selection of hair Viera have at the moment wouldn’t be as bad if half of them didn’t contain accessories/armor. I like the pigtails but hate the flowers that I’m forced to wear. We can’t even have the small amount of things we have access to without having to accept the dumb embellishments that don’t match a lot of styles.

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I kind of like the flowers, but it depends on whatever glamour I'm using at the time so a toggle would be ideal.

It's not even like they're there to mask a non-existent hair tie, there's a regular hair tie under the flowers.

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Originally Posted by Abaigeal

Honestly, like you all I just want one of two things to happen:
1. Either tell us what's going on by sharing a roadmap of the plans for Viera & Hrothgar for hopefully near future.

OR

2. Tell us STFU- We are not doing anything Veira & Hrothgar are staying as they are so we can stop holding on to false hope.

As someone who works in development- this is just poor communication. We are considered stakeholders and should have some sort of progress update. And there is no shame on if the work can't be done stating it.

I am not picky- I don't want all the hair of the other races magically granted to work ( though would be nice), I don't want to complain about how older hats in game dont work. ( though they should). I just want Information about what is being done if anything at all. And if nothing is done or is planned to be done I would like to hear that as well. At least then I will have an answer!

Though I will state is pretty poor to release a whole expansion and several new hair styles specific to the expansions and not make them wearable for all races- but that's a different soapbox.

Please just COMMUNICATE!!!

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They've pretty much said #2 (Though not actually saying stfu). It's just being ignored by those who don't like the answer.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

They've pretty much said #2 (Though not actually saying stfu). It's just being ignored by those who don't like the answer.

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Why add the god damn races if you are going to release them at an unfinished state and do nothing about it in the future? It does not make sense.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

They've pretty much said #2 (Though not actually saying stfu). It's just being ignored by those who don't like the answer.

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That's not at all what they said though?

They said we'd be seeing updates in future patches, but they'd still be "race-specific, so there won’t be as many selections when compared to other races".

You could argue future patches is a very vague concept and even patch 8.5 would technically be a future patch, but that's still not them saying they're staying as they are right now.

Throwing my support in for this thread, it's really bad how some players are getting new things and others are just being ignored. 8 New hair styles and Viera and Hrothgar don't even get 1 (Poor Hrothgar being locked to the face not a good design decision in my opinion) as well as getting shafted when it comes to new items as well. Really hoping we get to hear some news regarding this issue during fan fest but this should of been addressed earlier. You know how the saying goes silence is deafening.

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Originally Posted by OrpheusKappa

Why add the god damn races if you are going to release them at an unfinished state and do nothing about it in the future? It does not make sense.

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To give us the races overall. They weren't unfinished for 'them' when they were released. We still don't know if they absolutely won't, but it looks pretty slim at this point.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

That's not at all what they said though?

They said we'd be seeing updates in future patches, but they'd still be "race-specific, so there won’t be as many selections when compared to other races".

You could argue future patches is a very vague concept and even patch 8.5 would technically be a future patch, but that's still not them saying they're staying as they are right now.

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Which is exactly what has been happening...

Either they are working on them now and it's a major undertaking or they've scrapped the idea feeling that it isn't worth it versus how many people actually play said races.

But I can't see this being some big reveal in EW, as it seems more sense to do it now...which doesn't seem like that's going to happen before EW drops.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

Either they are working on them now and it's a major undertaking or they've scrapped the idea feeling that it isn't worth it versus how many people actually play said races.

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Who knows? But you were claiming they said they weren't doing anything more with them and they're staying as they are. They were already talking about updates for them before Shadowbringers even launched so they told us the exact opposite.

Which is why people are asking that if they don't intend to follow through with it to come out and say so.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Who knows? But you were claiming they said they weren't doing anything more with them and they're staying as they are. They were already talking about updates for them before Shadowbringers even launched so they told us the exact opposite.

Which is why people are asking that if they don't intend to follow through with it to come out and say so.

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I said they have pretty much said #2.
And they have with their silence, explaining the work involved, and saying "maybe"...which usually ends up being a no.

The base ignores anything until it's what they want to hear.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

I said they have pretty much said #2.
And they have with their silence, explaining the work involved, and saying "maybe"...which usually ends up being a no.

The base ignores anything until it's what they want to hear.

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Are you thinking of male Viera and female Hrothgar? They have spoken about that and talked about the work involved and if they ever get the resources to do so then they will.

They haven't said anything about the work involved creating hairstyles or "maybe they will". They said they would, and they haven't.

That's the whole point of the thread.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

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Are you thinking of male Viera and female Hrothgar? They have spoken about that and talked about the work involved and if they ever get the resources to do so then they will.

They haven't said anything about the work involved creating hairstyles or "maybe they will". They said they would, and they haven't.

That's the whole point of the thread.

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They talked about the customization of both and the challenges/work involved before they were even released.

Helmets and such were not working with the already created systems. Anything that replaces the head will. Hairstyles are the same coding principle as helmets as the head isn't being replaced.

If their stance has changed since then, then I missed it and stand corrected. But that was the main issue I remember reading about concerning customizing both races and their limitations.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

They talked about the customization of both and the challenges/work involved before they were even released.

Helmets and such were not working with the already created systems. Anything that replaces the head will. Hairstyles are the same coding principle as helmets as the head isn't being replaced.

If their stance has changed since then, then I missed it and stand corrected. But that was the main issue I remember reading about concerning customizing both races and their limitations.

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I wish they'd been even half as transparent as this.

They said that the decision to not make headgear available was because we would have plenty of "unique customization options" and without headgear we could really "go all out on creating new characters with these races".

He told them to create Hrothgar without worrying about making the hairstyles currently available in the game to work on them to really get their 'beast race' vision across. Since Hrothgar hairstyles are tied to faces during character creation they were going to be adding new faces with hair for them.

Viera were originally supposed to get access to some of the legacy hairstyles, then later that changed to only getting unique hairstyles.

There was never a "maybe" or "very difficult" about it, he even said they were "prepared to do so" after launch of the expansion.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

They talked about the customization of both and the challenges/work involved before they were even released.

Helmets and such were not working with the already created systems. Anything that replaces the head will. Hairstyles are the same coding principle as helmets as the head isn't being replaced.

If their stance has changed since then, then I missed it and stand corrected. But that was the main issue I remember reading about concerning customizing both races and their limitations.

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Their stance hasn’t changed but a big issue here is they also claimed that trading away headgear (and later announced- hair) was going to let us go “all out” with customization of these races, which was flat out misleading. These races have less customization overall than the other races. For viera you’d think the difference would be made up in the ear and hair options but it really wasn’t. Every “new thing” we got to customize was superficially different from other races and barebones at that.

Ear shape and length? Lalafell and elezen get that too. And we got only four options, same as them. Hairstyle options with and without bangs is also nothing new to the other races. For viera, that’s pretty much it, aside from looking a little more polished than the other races. If they don’t intend to follow through by fixing the races so that we do actually get a ton of customization, then they should find a way work us into reward systems and headgear. Because the trade off currently is non-existant.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

Their stance hasn’t changed but a big issue here is they also claimed that trading away headgear (and later announced- hair) was going to let us go “all out” with customization of these races, which was flat out misleading. These races have less customization overall than the other races. For viera you’d think the difference would be made up in the ear and hair options but it really wasn’t. Every “new thing” we got to customize was superficially different from other races and barebones at that.

Ear shape and length? Lalafell and elezen get that too. And we got only four options, same as them. Hairstyle options with and without bangs is also nothing new to the other races. For viera, that’s pretty much it, aside from looking a little more polished than the other races. If they don’t intend to follow through by fixing the races so that we do actually get a ton of customization, then they should find a way work us into reward systems and headgear. Because the trade off currently is non-existant.

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Ahh, then that makes sense now as I wasn't fully aware of the all out stance. Almost sounds like a tradeoff that never really materialized.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

Ahh, then that makes sense now as I wasn't fully aware of the all out stance. Almost sounds like a tradeoff that never really materialized.

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Which is the root of the problem that has lead to many unhappy players. We pay the same sub, complete the same content and pay the same fee for fantasia, but literally get significantly less visual options compared to the pre-ShB races. And this is made worse by SE's extremely long silence on the topic after telling us what would be coming.

We weren't even given something small like racial hats only we could use. Surely if SE have time to design so many hairstyles and hats for the pre-ShB races they have time to design a handful of hats specifically for hrothgar and viera. It's been almost two years and we haven't gotten the tiniest scrap to even vaguely make up for the disparity that we were promised wouldn't stay so huge forever. Instead the disparity has gotten even bigger due to the pre-ShB races consistently getting new head related options.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

Ear shape and length? Lalafell and elezen get that too.

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Would also like to note how static Viera ears are, to the point where it's almost unnatural. They don't need to have full physics like Miqo ears do but they're NOT the same in form as Lala/Elezen ears, either. Just a little bit of sway when then head moves would be more than sufficient.

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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

Would also like to note how static Viera ears are, to the point where it's almost unnatural. They don't need to have full physics like Miqo ears do but they're NOT the same in form as Lala/Elezen ears, either. Just a little bit of sway when then head moves would be more than sufficient.

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There's a decent bit of movement in them, but how noticeable it is really depends on the shape you choose.

When I had the type 1 ears (the thicker ones that fold backwards) I barely noticed any movement, but I've had the type 4 ears (pointy ones with no fluff) for a long time now and I was surprised how much movement there was at first.

There's a little bounce in them with every step you run, when you're jumping, gathering etc. It's especially noticeable when flying, to the point it almost looks painful how much they're bending in the wind lol

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Originally Posted by Yencat

There's a decent bit of movement in them, but how noticeable it is really depends on the shape you choose.

When I had the type 1 ears (the thicker ones that fold backwards) I barely noticed any movement, but I've had the type 4 ears (pointy ones with no fluff) for a long time now and I was surprised how much movement there was at first.

There's a little bounce in them with every step you run, when you're jumping, gathering etc. It's especially noticeable when flying, to the point it almost looks painful how much they're bending in the wind lol

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I have those ears, sprinting as a Ninja is... funny lol they flop all over the place.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

Their stance hasn’t changed but a big issue here is they also claimed that trading away headgear (and later announced- hair) was going to let us go “all out” with customization of these races, which was flat out misleading. These races have less customization overall than the other races. For viera you’d think the difference would be made up in the ear and hair options but it really wasn’t. Every “new thing” we got to customize was superficially different from other races and barebones at that.

Ear shape and length? Lalafell and elezen get that too. And we got only four options, same as them. Hairstyle options with and without bangs is also nothing new to the other races. For viera, that’s pretty much it, aside from looking a little more polished than the other races. If they don’t intend to follow through by fixing the races so that we do actually get a ton of customization, then they should find a way work us into reward systems and headgear. Because the trade off currently is non-existant.

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That's a poor way of looking at that.
Lala and Elezen ears are attached to the sides of their heads, they don't mess up anything as they are not gigantic or hugely different. Viera having massive ears on the top of their heads that they can customize is very much the core design problem with them being given anything. To understand that you have to look at Miqote, the only other race with ears anywhere other than the side of their faces. Kitty ears are a part of their hairstyles, they can't change them in any way. Their race's "uniqueness" came more so from the tails that the devs refuse to let be hidden in 99% of gear.

They chose to give Viera ear customization because it's literally the only unique trait they have and every design approach I've personally come up with to make hats work on them and not look poop is either to turn off the ears or have only 1 pair that can't be customized that's a part of their hair like Miqotes. As it stands now they if they want to show the ears when wearing hats they would have to make 4 versions of SOMETHING to accommodate the player's choice, and they don't do that for any character model in the game. This is what he meant by "it would be useless if you can't go all out". If the only unique thing about the race is the bunny ears it would be strange if you couldn't customize them fully.

Hrothgar are, like I've said on this forum, a case of the Monkey's Paw. They have legit a ton of CC features no other race gets but at the cost of 1 of the fundamental features we've come to expect (Hair) as well as hats.

FF14, please looking forward to it! cycle continues.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

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They have already disproven the “they’d have to make 4 models” thing themselves by allowing the ears to clip through helmets and hoods. This is because the issue isn’t really the ears, which all share the same base shape and size. As seen with the new dungeon helms, they are also more than capable of and willing to make the ears disappear for helms that it would be appropriate for. If you ever look at what helmets viera can wear something they all have in common is that they are headgear that make the hair completely disappear.

This is because it’s the racially unique hair, which they did not model “hat versions” for that is the issue. So you can get away with helmets because it makes sense for the wearer to tuck away hair when donning them. A little harder to explain away why your bunny is suddenly bald when putting on a wizard hat.

Though my issue isn’t really with hats, necessarily, unless they are the big reward for an event because....well I can’t use them, so that sucks. I take more issue with them hyping up the new races to have all of this customization to make up for the lack of gear that they just didn’t come through on. I can think of several ways they could have offered additional customization to make the viera feel more robust and unique. But where they stand right now, they had a lot more customization taken away than they got in exchange for a few ear models. And the hair thing is even more frustrating- both in their failure to make time to add more unique ones and also in their refusal to make the slight adjustments necessary to allow viera to have the unlockable ones offered as rewards.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

They have already disproven the “they’d have to make 4 models” thing themselves by allowing the ears to clip through helmets and hoods. This is because the issue isn’t really the ears, which all share the same base shape and size. As seen with the new dungeon helms, they are also more than capable of and willing to make the ears disappear for helms that it would be appropriate for. If you ever look at what helmets viera can wear something they all have in common is that they are headgear that make the hair completely disappear.

This is because it’s the racially unique hair, which they did not model “hat versions” for that is the issue. So you can get away with helmets because it makes sense for the wearer to tuck away hair when donning them. A little harder to explain away why your bunny is suddenly bald when putting on a wizard hat.

Though my issue isn’t really with hats, necessarily, unless they are the big reward for an event because....well I can’t use them, so that sucks. I take more issue with them hyping up the new races to have all of this customization to make up for the lack of gear that they just didn’t come through on. I can think of several ways they could have offered additional customization to make the viera feel more robust and unique. But where they stand right now, they had a lot more customization taken away than they got in exchange for a few ear models. And the hair thing is even more frustrating- both in their failure to make time to add more unique ones and also in their refusal to make the slight adjustments necessary to allow viera to have the unlockable ones offered as rewards.

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Bald, and no ears on the side of their heads. That would be super jarring to look at. Like Humpty Dumpty wearing a hat or something.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Bald, and no ears on the side of their heads. That would be super jarring to look at. Like Humpty Dumpty wearing a hat or something.

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But with legs that go for miles! ;0

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

But with legs that go for miles! ;0

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Legs for miles, a bod for sin, and a head like a roll on deodorant.

Perfection!

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

They have already disproven the “they’d have to make 4 models” thing themselves by allowing the ears to clip through helmets and hoods.

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Yeah, they let the ears clip through hoods and like 1 helm ... and it looks poop. It always looks poop. The race would look even more extra poop if they let Viera wear the 100s of hats in the game by taking the stance of "just let it clip".
This is a design decision by them to have visuals they're happy with and respect the racial choice of the player, never said it was a "tech issue". The only tech issue is the fact that they seem to think making hats not look like clippy poop with the ears requires too much work.

In order to make hats and helms not look like poop on the race they would have to accommodate the 4 ears or turn them off, simple as that.

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This is because it’s the racially unique hair, which they did not model “hat versions” for that is the issue. So you can get away with helmets because it makes sense for the wearer to tuck away hair when donning them. A little harder to explain away why your bunny is suddenly bald when putting on a wizard hat.

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They didn't make hat hair models because they never intended to give them hats because they made the race that way. That's not the cause of the "problem", that's the result of their decision ... no reason to make hat hair if you're not going to make hats work on them.

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I take more issue with them hyping up the new races to have all of this customization to make up for the lack of gear that they just didn’t come through on.

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I don't believe he "hyped it up" so much as tossed out a line about it that people latched onto. Hrothgar DO have a ton of CC options that no other race has at the cost of hair ... Viera's only "thing" is being humans with bunny ears so they "went all out" on the ears (even allowing for the bent ears that look ugly af) and decided to have alt versions of hair be the norm. These are new, unique things, and they came at as a result of how they made these races. Was it worth it? IMO no, they should have realized this weeby fanbase just wanted "cute bunny girls! ;D" and woulda taken Miqos with longer ears and 4 different bun tails.

But what's done is done, by releasing these races this way they've made a situation where in they can't easily change course unless they make a massive NGS shift in CC and graphics engine OR decide to just turn off the parts that give them problems. (For Viera it's the ears ... for Hrothgar it's just the mane. Hrothgar heads are not shaped in any way that stops hats from working on them and their ears get turned off for hoods, they simply seem to not want to only partly cover the mane).

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

. Was it worth it? IMO no, they should have realized this weeby fanbase just wanted "cute bunny girls! ;D" and woulda taken Miqos with longer ears and 4 different bun tails..

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Says the miqo.:rolleyes:

The ears clipping through don’t look any worse than au ra horns clipping through hoods and helms. Like there’s a few extra tufts of hair and that’s it. You’re overblowing it to make your point, which is moot because they are doing it anyway, so clearly their standards are lower than you seem to think. Just not low enough to let our hair swallow a baseball cap. Yet.

But again, I don’t really care about hats all that much. I do care about hair, though. If viera really are just “humans with bunny ears” then it shouldn’t be all that hard to adjust the hair for them that everyone else gets. If it is, then they should find time to make more hair for just us. Either straight to cc or as a reward. If other people get mad, they can have the fantasia they keep throwing at viera players every time we make a peep about not getting anything. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What I WILL say about the whole "Viera ears not letting them wear hats" decision is... the ears sit differently than Ivalice Viera...

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...aCG_render.jpg The Viera from FFXII have their ears to the side, pointing outwards, farther apart than XIV Viera. Even with clipping, that space would allow many hats to fit (and with the clipping, the ears would clip through in an aesthetically pleasing fashion as if the hat had ear holes).

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...era_Render.png XIV Viera ears are a tad closer together and point forwards. This is a very odd decision because poking ear holes through what is essentially the top of the head is less natural. I don't know WHY they did this, but I wouldn't be opposed to Viera ears to be slightly moved to the sides to accomodate hats in a more natural fashion.

Like... FFTA Viera...https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...ra-redmage.jpg, though I'll admit that several FFTA sprites have the ears on the top of the head and centered because... they're in 2D and static images so they don't have to worry about clipping or looking good in all angles or anything.

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Just that little adjustment would probably fix alot of problems getting the hats to work on Viera heads. That, and I want all Ivalice Viera clothes. :>

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Says the miqo.:rolleyes:

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Fun fact ... I don't like ANY of the races very much and only play kitty because it's the best option for my taste cause of the failings of every other choice aka the "I guess it'll do..." pick.

There is a reason I'm one of the most active Female Hrothgar supporters here. I also know for a fact that people were crying "HEY! Where's the bun tail? Why can't I be short? >:(" and had to be told that's not how Viera look.

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The ears clipping through don’t look any worse than au ra horns clipping through hoods and helms. Like there’s a few extra tufts of hair and that’s it. You’re overblowing it to make your point, which is moot because they are doing it anyway, so clearly their standards are lower than you seem to think. Just not low enough to let our hair swallow a baseball cap. Yet.

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No, I'm not "overblowing" it.
Here's the thing, YOU think it looks fine and like Drago horns ... but that's an opinion. I think it looks poop, cheap and lazy. Clearly the devs also think it looks terrible which is why they don't do it outside of hoods and like 1 helm even though people are fast to point out how "All you have to do is turn on a button to make hats show". Clearly they don't think it's acceptable which is why they don't allow hats to show ... that's literally the only conclusion you can come to after seeing how easy it seems for modders to turn hats on.

At the end of the day it's their game and if they think having giant ears clip through fedoras is a bad look welp ... you get exactly what they're doing now.

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Fun fact ... I don't like ANY of the races very much and only play kitty because it's the best option for my taste cause of the failings of every other choice aka the "I guess it'll do..." pick.

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Just saying, tiny kitty waifus shouldn’t throw stones. Even so, I’m a supporter of female Hrothgar myself and do hope they make it into the game someday.

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No, I'm not "overblowing" it.
Here's the thing, YOU think it looks fine and like Drago horns ... but that's an opinion. I think it looks poop, cheap and lazy. Clearly the devs also think it looks terrible which is why they don't do it outside of hoods and like 1 helm even though people are fast to point out how "All you have to do is turn on a button to make hats show". Clearly they don't think it's acceptable which is why they don't allow hats to show ... that's literally the only conclusion you can come to after seeing how easy it seems for modders to turn hats on.

At the end of the day it's their game and if they think having giant ears clip through fedoras is a bad look welp ... you get exactly what they're doing now.

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I don’t really feel like talking in circles any more with you because neither of us is budging, nor have we ever seen eye to eye on this subject in any capacity. Gotta say I don’t think I’ve ever met anybody as invested in a race they have no interest in playing. At the end of the day, regardless of the reason, viera and hrothgar are getting shorted in a way other races are not and I’d like to see them do pretty much anything at this point regarding the hair situation. I do personally think they should retrofit unlockable and paid hairstyles on viera, as modders have shown it takes little effort as far as fitting is concerned to do so. It would probably be the easiest solution to appease viera players, and allow them to focus on Hroth who frankly have no real option but racial hairs at this point, due to the way they function.

^^ 100% this. Viera and Hrothgar need more options, this isn't acceptable at ALL. I sincerely hope they're going to add new hair come 6.0 to Viera and hopefully separate the Hrothgar face and hair.