[Suggestion] Fashion/Vanity Slots.

But I dont want play AION nor do I want to play any other MMORPG. I want FFXIV and I want it to be something different. I still dont mind but I just dont understand how this can be so important. I think it just doesnt fit in this game. :/

It is cool to use gear because of their stats and not wearing the same all the time.

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Originally Posted by nibelunc

But I dont want play AION nor do I want to play any other MMORPG. I want FFXIV and I want it to be something different. I still dont mind but I just dont understand how this can be so important. I think it just doesnt fit in this game. :/

It is cool to use gear because of their stats and not wearing the same all the time.

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You do realize a MMO being "different" is determined by its core systems and not a feature like this right? Being "different" just for the sake of doesn't help FFXIV at all. Yoshi-P obviously wants this game to measure up to the standard of MMOs, or he wouldn't be adding a content finder in this game. Go venture out to other MMOs besides FFXI/FFXIV and you will see the popularity of such a feature.

It might not be important to those like you who don't care about their characters and just wants to hack and slash at stuff until they log. However, there is a good chunk of players who actually put time into their characters and actually care about their virtual identity. Yes, how we act as well as how we look in game.

Your arguments are basically "I don't want it so it can't be important."

Lastly, my version of "cool" doesn't mean looking like I got dressed in the dark.

Thats not the point. I am just fine with the gear we have and I prefer the actual system we have.

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Originally Posted by nibelunc

Thats not the point. I am just fine with the gear we have and I prefer the actual system we have.

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So you're just against them adding another layer to the system we have...Just because? The ONLY thing that changes is the end of the Stats vs Appearances debate. Which we all know who almost always win.

I just don't understand the naysayers to the implementation of such a system. Do you like looking the exact same as everyone else who plays your job/class?!?!

OP has my full support.

Yes I do and I dont care as long as I am happy with my gear.

It really is useless to discuss this because everyone will defend his own opinion. For me its just unfitting, confusing, useless and redundant, for you its a necessary fashion whatever thing. Just go on and we will see what happens.. :)

I have an idea... just change your clothing when in town and talking. You shouldn't be fashionable when you go out and fight.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I have an idea... just change your clothing when in town and talking. You shouldn't be fashionable when you go out and fight.

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Considering FF characters normally have outfits that look good while they're saving the world, I beg to differ.

Yes please to this! ^_^ I love having the ability to customize the way my character looks even after the character creation screen!

It is so depressing to spend a long time getting an armor set that looks so amazing only to have one or two pieces, sometimes even the whole set replaced. This would allow for a really interesting and diverse playerbase, and not walking through town and seeing 20+ people wearing the same exact thing.

Please let us have the ability to wear the looks we love all the time! <3

Thanks for all the likes guys, now we just have to lure Rukkirii in here.

*gets out a picnic basket full of cookies* <(*__*)>/

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Originally Posted by Buttons

Thanks for all the likes guys, now we just have to lure Rukkirii in here.

*gets out a picnic basket full of cookies* <(*__*)>/

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she's a couerl I am sure she would prefer some nice tasty Lalafell.

All the lalafell's please stand over there -->

here, kitty kitty kitty.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

TAIL WAIST SLOT FOR THE LOVE OF ROAGRIMM!

I DON'T EVEN CARE WHAT THE STATS ARE. I'LL REPLACE MY -ENMITY AND MP BELT JUST GIVE IT TO ME!!

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Edward you are not a galka anymore, please get over it, the end.

I'd be all for an idea like this. You can take "normal" piece of gear and equip it in your fashion slot. You don't gain the stats/defense from it but it does display over your current gear. And following what the OP said, restrictions on what class could use what and level limits would all remain the same. So for example a Lv50 WHM could equip their Healer's Robe but display say like a cowl or some other equipment usable by their class over it. If you're not the right job/class/level to use the gear you couldn't equip it even as a vanity piece. Examining someone shows their real equipment.

But I'd have to say no to the weapons, we can do without these. A command exists if you prefer to hide your weapon anyway. As for those complaining about not seeing who the other person is in terms of class/job, does it really matter? A CNJ/WHM could wear all the same equipment as a THM/BLM and if they hide the weapon you couldn't tell either apart beyond their actions or examining them. A PGL/MNK could equip a wool hat, robe, halfgloves, gaskins, and a pair of pattens. Hide their weapon via command and for all you know that person is now a healer. And this can be done without slots. A fix for PvP content is a temporary disable for vanity gear. Aside from possible costs/time restraints I can see no reason why they shouldn't implement this feature.

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

she's a couerl I am sure she would prefer some nice tasty Lalafell.

All the lalafell's please stand over there -->

here, kitty kitty kitty.

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Eep, not us Lalafell. *puts a bowl of cat food in the corner instead*

If this means I can put optimally higher level items (as long as they're technically equipable to the class at the given level) in a vanity slot so that every time I start levelling a low-level class, I don't have to appear to be wearing a miss-matched set of horrible grey items, then hurrah! tbh, I'd also like one for earrings as well, so I can wear the blossom flower instead of the annoying thick wedding-ring-like earrings (or at least, that's how they look on Lalafell) but that's not really as important as the main clothing.

Also, needless to say, this feature would be incredibly useful for the role-playing community. No more OOC costume changes for when switching to crafting classes. Or at least less of them, anyway, if items are still class/level-specific. It also means a player can have the benefits of AF gear without looking like, for example, a typical dragoon when their role-play character needs the stats but isn't a dragoon themselves, and they're taking part in a combat-based role-playing event.

Moving along, I do not understand the arguments against this idea. If you don't like messing with vanity items, just leave the slots alone. Simple as. It doesn't effect you. So don't complain about it. Thats like saying "Oh, other players are getting something I don't want. They shouldn't be allowed!" It's as bad as complaining a friend is getting cookies when you don't want any yourself.

This is always a popular suggestion in near every game out there. And has been adopted far too slowly by a large amount of developers. Despite what some folks say about not wanting top armors hidden by peoples choice for aesthetics when there is and ugly armor they are often just as disgusted. If you'd like to show off your top raid armor thats fine by me and nearly anyone else. heck you may be even easier to spot as a top raider when theres even less of your aermor showing since many folks could really care less.

Many games have found great responses to this feature and uses for past content for item skins and for some games, gold sinks for the systems that allow the switch. Responses to the point that a wealth of newer and upcoming games have attempted to find ways to somewhat or totally seperate stats from the gear itself.

Another things to keep in mind is some times the reason this isn't done is not because of any aesthetic reasons by developers, but because of game architecture. Its far easier server and client side to have a "fairly" predictable idea of what skins need to be loaded. Now such systems are being overcome or built in.

As far as pvp, i see the discussion generally falls into an "at a glance i want to know X". Personal opinion i find pvp alot more fun if i'm not sure. We're not dealing with WOW type stat jumps in FF14, its hardly a "game breaker".

I totally support character customization for looks. Personally i prefer the Vintage Hauberk and more spear like weapons as apposed to harpoons. A system like this helps rip the teeth off general complains about armor and weapon skin looks when you can just grab your favorite and wear it. I also agree with keeping it in class. Saying bikinis instead of armor is honestly a sad attempt at trolling since if you read the OP you'd have understood what is being asked for. a /display X command is the type of system you'd get bikini killers, not a skinning system.

All in all, like any thread on this topic with the systems suggested in the OP, i add my support!

83 likes already. Wowie. Thanks everyone. <(^_^)>/

Mmhh we can't have this on page 5. *bumps and whistles innocently*

Mhh I wonder what Marlboros eat, if we knew we could lure Bayohne in here. :o

I shared the thought with some players, from our LS inclouded Buttons, and many liked the idea. They mentionned the crafting gears for example, there are sets with good stats but are tired to always look the same ^^,

Thanks Delea. ^^/

I wonder what Camate likes to munch on, maybe we can him in here. :O I bet snurbles like to eat cotton candy! *runs off and gets some*

I like this idea as well as the using this idea for weapons.. I'm tired of the whole clone wars at the end-game I see in other MMOs. Even WoW now has a system where you can make your high-end gear look like any other gear your class can equip.

For those saying that is what materia is for, you are wrong. The only way materia can replace this system is if U/U gear can have materia added to it.

Buttons are we assuming that the fashion slots are limited to what the player can actually wear.

I was thinking about it and it would seem a bit odd that a BLM would be able to equip WHM AF for example as a fashion/vanity item, same for a WHM wearing Darksteel Plate armour.

So yea I think there needs to be some kind of restrictions personally.

Whats everyone opinion on this ?

I posted it in the OP Jinko, under restrictions. Can only wear the same stuff you can normally equip. ^^

I'm 100% for this, I don't want the awesome aesthetics of all this gear that they've been pumping out to be obsolete come a level cap raise, they should do this A.S.A.P.
There's so much gear and so much possibility for everyone to look unique! too much for them to let go to waste.
I hope a dev responds to this thread sometime soon :]

Thanks for the support, I do hope the community managers pass this on, considering there is so much support for it. :)

Please give us some good news devs. I has lots of Lalafell home-made cookies to hand out. <(^_^)>/

Make sure there is a way to go naked with just subligar even if I'm actually wearing gear... I'm sad when I have to wear mages robes.. ><

Made with real home grown Lalafells i should hope.

In my opinion this is not the type of system another game and group of Devs should wait on till the last cycle of a games life. The sooner its done the sooner word can get out. And the sooner i can start hunting sets of armor from the four corners of the world!

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Make sure there is a way to go naked with just subligar even if I'm actually wearing gear... I'm sad when I have to wear mages robes.. ><

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Couldn't you just wear one of those short vests instead?

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In my opinion this is not the type of system another game and group of Devs should wait on till the last cycle of a games life. The sooner its done the sooner word can get out. And the sooner i can start hunting sets of armor from the four corners of the world!

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Agreed. It'd be an incentive to run all sorts of content for the gear. That way we don't have artwork that goes to waste.

I am sure you'll be able to wear a pretty subligar as fashion gear in the future Reinheart >:3 Now if only we knew what the community reps and devs think of this idea. xD

Anyone wanna give the OP two more likes to get us to the 100 Like milestone?

we need some likes from the community reps

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

we need some likes from the community reps

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Agreed. I just hope the reps haven't forgotten about this thread and are simply waiting for everyone to get back from Golden Week.

PS: Yay, 100 likes!

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Originally Posted by Buttons

I am sure you'll be able to wear a pretty subligar as fashion gear in the future Reinheart >:3 Now if only we knew what the community reps and devs think of this idea. xD

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Good luck getting a rep response they don't seem to say much these days, I think Yoshi has told them to stop sending him so many idea's, I guess he must be bogged down by sticky notes everywhere lol.

My vanity comes from how boss my battle gear is.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Good luck getting a rep response they don't seem to say much these days, I think Yoshi has told them to stop sending him so many idea's, I guess he must be bogged down by sticky notes everywhere lol.

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Well, when you get threads like "Make Nighttime scary", you're obviously gonna develop a hesitance to look at the forums for ideas. That being said, this one should definitely be brought to the devs and implemented.

Vanity slots are a good idea, just give them a toggle for players that don't like it and your set.

Yes Firon needs this i must wear turbans 100% of the time on my mnk.

bring back the extra earring/ bracelet slots. I don't know what's going on with the down-sizing, it's like they're gimping the system(what is it, PS3 limitations now??). I dig the vanity slots but what if that was just compensation for the lack of rings and bracelets we used to have?
SE should been giving us more, not taking away! For some of us it'll make sense to have more earrings and rings on us(maybe even lip/nose rings).

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

bring back the extra earring/ bracelet slots. I don't know what's going on with the down-sizing, it's like they're gimping the system(what is it, PS3 limitations now??). I dig the vanity slots but what if that was just compensation for the lack of rings and bracelets we used to have?
SE should been giving us more, not taking away! For some of us it'll make sense to have more earrings and rings on us(maybe even lip/nose rings).

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You're... joking right?
Here's a little comparison for you.

Pre-1.21:
12 slot points
4 ring slots
2 wrist slots
2 earring slots
1 neck slot

Now, how much of that was usually used at 50? 3 rings due to the Lv42 rings taking up 4 pts each. Each ring gave +8 to a stat.

Now:
No slot cost limitations
2 ring slots
1 wrist, neck, earring slot.

The basic rings we use at 50 now give +15 each, which total out to more stat bonuses already. But wait, there's more! We can also equip a neck piece (an extra 25 attack, 10 healing potency, etc) a wristband (+MP/HP and +3 to a stat, extra enmity+, etc), and an earring! (more healing potency, enmity+/-, etc)

I'd say that adds up to getting more. If you're worried about the vanity gained from the extra wrists/rings, they were covered by equipment 99% of the time anyway.