Please equalize rewards between Castrum and Prae

On JP servers those who tend to leave are usually the English client folks. They just add to the bad reputation of English speakers. If you queue for MSQ, know that you can get either. Do whatever you get. Fishing for a specific duty in a roulette with random folks is just bad manners on JP servers.

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Originally Posted by Epidendrum

On JP servers those who tend to leave are usually the English client folks. They just add to the bad reputation of English speakers. If you queue for MSQ, know that you can get either. Do whatever you get. Fishing for a specific duty in a roulette with random folks is just bad manners on JP servers.

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isnt exactly good manners on english ones either

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Originally Posted by Epidendrum

On JP servers those who tend to leave are usually the English client folks. They just add to the bad reputation of English speakers. If you queue for MSQ, know that you can get either. Do whatever you get. Fishing for a specific duty in a roulette with random folks is just bad manners on JP servers.

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Any proof of that? Or is it just the "I'm cool because i hate on Americans" we all know and love on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Any proof of that? Or is it just the "I'm cool because i hate on Americans" we all know and love on the internet.

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If you read my comment, I mentioned JP servers. Most Americans don't play there, I'm referring to the English speakers on JP. If you want proof(even screenshots won't prove anything) , queue for it daily on JP, when you load in check the social tab for those on English client. Those who leave on loading then to be the English speakers. JP players can be toxic in their own way, but at least they commit to the duty they queue for.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

What I feel they can do is adjust the rewards for Castrum. It's only about 1/3 the exp of Prae, and should be more like 2/3 the exp. Prae takes about 45min on average, and Castrum is about 30min.

I think peeps would be less inclined to ditch Castrum when hunting for EXP if they would do that.

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This. I started screenshotting my xp bar before doing msq roulettes on my various jobs to get an exact comparison of the two. I only get 44.5% of a lvl at 76 for castrum vs 81% for prae. And since prae is only 15mins longer, castrum should be 2/3 prae, not half or less.

They don't need to be 'equal' but at least comparable per time spent, and a lot less people would drop.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

Simple request. Getting tired of 3/4 of the raid quitting when they see Castrum. Either fix it or get rid of Castrum. Another way to fix it all is to let us skip cutscenes.

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Equalizing rewards will just make people drop Praetorium for the faster duty. Getting rid of Castrum defeats the point of a roulette. Making cutscenes skippable creates an unfriendly newbie experience.

Speaking from personal experience, Praetorium sucked ass back when I was a sprout and the cutscenes were skippable. No one said a word to me, skipped the first mob, I got killed for attacking the mob, and got stuck at the start. Then the group killed the first boss before I could even get there. This is supposed to be the moment my character is praised by the plot for outstanding heroism, and I'm stuck at the front door because I didn't know this dungeon has an hour of cutscenes everyone else saw before.

If you'd get Meridianum 100% of the time, then Praetorium the second time, and both gave their rewards, many people would do both. Faced with one or the other with uneven amount of time and rewards, it comes down to "do I want it done fast, or do I want a big chunk of XP", and many are trying to get a level for an alt job. Even with Meridianum being bumped to 70%, many people would still go for Praetorium, because a) it's still more XP for the once-a-day activity, and b) you can afk through most of it, while Meridianum is hectic running around most of the time, and the cutscenes are too short even for a quick bio break.

I don't have anything profound to share, except that I'm on the fence on this. For this I'm only talking about normal mode. Don't do Savage so don't really care what they do with Savage.

On the one hand I don't mind quickly getting my weekly rewards when I'm busy. On the other hand I don't need them except for glamour, since tomestone gear is better and I literally don't need any of that gear because I don't do Savage.

Although I would love to have the option of experiencing more elaborate content, the problem is that elaborate content tend to become repetitive, boring and annoying once you force players to farm it every week.

Overall I think FFXIV has a workable formula that was born out of compromise, and there seem to be little willingness to explore and innovate. FFXIV is a piece of sculpture that is being constantly refined, attention being paid to every last detail. But it's always going to be the same old sculpture and can never be anything more than what it is. Considering it's in the 10th year and still have some very archaic limitations, I think FFXIV is already in the cash cow phase. They just need FFXIV to maintain a healthy population of subscribers, even if just out of habit, until they can have the next MMO ready for launch.

Buff the Exp Reward in Castrum.
Keep Prae a guaranteed Level and maybe abit more, like a little under a quarter.
And make Castrum give abit over 3/4ths.

The issue is compared to Prae, it feels like you dont get anything. So sure its shorter...but If the goal is to level then people will want the bigger option.
40-50 minutes of cutscene hell for a little over a whole level? YES PLEASE.
15-20 minutes for barly if even half a level? Nah pass.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

I should start reporting people that insta-bail on CM.

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reporting them for what? leaving a duty of your own volition isn't against tos, no matter how badly the other people want/need you to stay

There is an easy fix for people fishing por one or the other: change it so they can't fish.

Example: you queue for MSQ roulette and get Castrum. Well, Castrum is what you will get everytime you quit and queue again for MSQ roulette for the rest of the day unless you complete it. Problem solved.

If you are going to tell me that you will not queue again if you can't "fish", that's fine then. The reason I don't queue for it now is that half of the party will quit if we get Castrum, so things will even out anyway.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Buff the Exp Reward in Castrum.
Keep Prae a guaranteed Level and maybe abit more, like a little under a quarter.
And make Castrum give abit over 3/4ths.

The issue is compared to Prae, it feels like you dont get anything. So sure its shorter...but If the goal is to level then people will want the bigger option.
40-50 minutes of cutscene hell for a little over a whole level? YES PLEASE.
15-20 minutes for barly if even half a level? Nah pass.

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You could do Castrum, and then queue directly for your highest level dungeon, and get the same amount of exp for the same time investment.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Nah. Just make both solo duties and remove MSQ Roulette.

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That's what should happen. Let us fight alongside the Scions and co. during those events. I mean... What were they even doing there if not helping us?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

You could do Castrum, and then queue directly for your highest level dungeon, and get the same amount of exp for the same time investment.

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Or I could get Prae and then do the current highest dungeon and almost get 2 levels for a longer investment.

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Originally Posted by Erik501

There is an easy fix for people fishing por one or the other: change it so they can't fish.

Example: you queue for MSQ roulette and get Castrum. Well, Castrum is what you will get everytime you quit and queue again for MSQ roulette for the rest of the day unless you complete it. Problem solved.

If you are going to tell me that you will not queue again if you can't "fish", that's fine then. The reason I don't queue for it now is that half of the party will quit if we get Castrum, so things will even out anyway.

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That's stupid because it doesn't really change anything or resolve the core underlying issue.

Most people don't fish more than once either. If I get Castrum x2 in a row, I'm not bothering with MSQ anymore for the day anyways since I've already wasted an hour. So, your idea doesn't work here either except for the most extreme cases of people fishing 3+ queues.

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Originally Posted by Bjorn-Kobito

That's stupid because it doesn't really change anything or resolve the core underlying issue.

Most people don't fish more than once either. If I get Castrum x2 in a row, I'm not bothering with MSQ anymore for the day anyways since I've already wasted an hour. So, your idea doesn't work here either except for the most extreme cases of people fishing 3+ queues.

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First of all: how do you know how many times they "fish"? Did you run a poll of some sort or something? Did you not? Then you don't know.

Second, currently you don't mind screwing 14 other people if you get Castrum twice in a row, right? Shame on you. If you know you will not do Castrum if it rolls then don't queue for MSQ roulette and spare everybody else the annoyance that comes with people leaving the duty straight away.

Third: a system that would stop you and the lot like you after you have already screwed 7 people is not stupid, it is well deserved at the very least. It would only affect the people who are using the roulette to "fish" instead of using it as it was intended, i.e. you and the lot like you.

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Originally Posted by Erik501

First of all: how do you know how many times they "fish"? Did you run a poll of some sort or something? Did you not? Then you don't know.

Second, currently you don't mind screwing 14 other people if you get Castrum twice in a row, right? Shame on you. If you know you will not do Castrum if it rolls then don't queue for MSQ roulette and spare everybody else the annoyance that comes with people leaving the duty straight away.

Third: a system that would stop you and the lot like you after you have already screwed 7 people is not stupid, it is well deserved at the very least. It would only affect the people who are using the roulette to "fish" instead of using it as it was intended, i.e. you and the lot like you.

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You don't need to run a poll or survey. It takes roughly 2-3 hours to complete all your dailies, depending on role and duty. The average person is not spending more than an extra hour just on fishing the queue. If I don't get Prae by my second MSQ queue after waiting 30 minutes from the penalty, I'm not about to wait another 30 minutes again. It's just not worth it.

Instead of making MSQ roulette even worse with your idea, which would also take time to develop a system for, they could easily just change the multiplier for the EXP to match Prae. Then, nobody would leave. You could take the quicker castrum that doesn't allow for you to be semi-afk, or you could do the longer Prae where you can afk. I would still prefer the latter since it's routine for me to watch a TV series during MSQR, but I wouldn't leave the former since it's all the same.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Or I could get Prae and then do the current highest dungeon and almost get 2 levels for a longer investment.

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XP/Time is the same though

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Originally Posted by Bjorn-Kobito

You don't need to run a poll or survey. It takes roughly 2-3 hours to complete all your dailies, depending on role and duty. The average person is not spending more than an extra hour just on fishing the queue. If I don't get Prae by my second MSQ queue after waiting 30 minutes from the penalty, I'm not about to wait another 30 minutes again. It's just not worth it.

Instead of making MSQ roulette even worse with your idea, which would also take time to develop a system for, they could easily just change the multiplier for the EXP to match Prae. Then, nobody would leave. You could take the quicker castrum that doesn't allow for you to be semi-afk, or you could do the longer Prae where you can afk. I would still prefer the latter since it's routine for me to watch a TV series during MSQR, but I wouldn't leave the former since it's all the same.

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Just so you know, you are claming to know what everybody else does in the game based only on what you do and what you consider worth it. That is wrong. Period. You don't know.

The MSQ roullette would not be worse with my idea, it would be better for those of us who don't try to cheese the system to take advantage of it disregarding the annoyances caused to other players and worse for all of you who try to cheese the system to take advantage of it disregarding the annoyances caused to other players. I can see how it would be worse for you, of course, but it doesn't mean it would be worse for everybody else too. It would be much better for new players and for people like me who, you know, use the roulettes the way they were intended to be used: you roll a dice and go with it whatever you got.

And since one of the dungeons allows you to afk a lot while the other much less so, it is impossible to find a perfect multiplier for the EXP. Some people will find more value in being able to afk a lot while some others will find more value in being able to finish it sooner. In any case there will be always one which is more "optimal" than the other, so people might start fishing for Castrum instead of Praetorium or, even worse, some for one and some for the other, so we end up with the same annoyances of people leaving straight away again, but in this case for both dungeons.

If every player use the roulettes the way they are designed for and the problem disappears completeley without having to change anything. You don't want to do Castrum? Fine, don't queue. Easy. Will you do that? I guess you won't, so...

Guess leaving sprouts to die in castrum is the thing now huh? Quite the selfish ones here.

Just get rid of MSQ roulette and let all the sprouts suffer from long queue times and having no one that done them before. It gives them a challenge to prepare for the battles to come.

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Originally Posted by QTEila

Guess leaving sprouts to die in castrum is the thing now huh? Quite the selfish ones here.

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Ya blame square for giving such a pathetic amount of xp at castrum. This wouldn’t even be an issue if both gave the same amount of xp. People saying “ than people would just leave prae for castrum” no they wouldn’t a 30 min penalty, que time and castrum is just as long as prae.