Elemental Wheel, What's the point?

There's a giant gaping lore issue with giving Banish and Scourge to White Mage. I realize you may feel lore is irrelevant, and believe me, I don't actually like what happened to CON and THM when WHM and BLM were reconciled with them....

But unless they make WHM THM's advanced class, and BLM CON's advanced class, and totally redesign the base classes, they can't really do what you're suggesting.

At least right now only THM's lore was mangled.

More importantly, as numerous people have already stated, blizzard and fire magic are near worthless for dealing damage anyways, so there needs to be quite a large overhaul to BLM's existing spells before this could even become relevant.

Oh and... how about that 15 ability per class limit? Sure you could replace Aero and Stone with Banish and Scourge, but what THM abilities would you replace with Aero and Stone?

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Originally Posted by Ramsey

There's a giant gaping lore issue with giving Banish and Scourge to White Mage. I realize you may feel lore is irrelevant, and believe me, I don't actually like what happened to CON and THM when WHM and BLM were reconciled with them....

But unless they make WHM THM's advanced class, and BLM CON's advanced class, and totally redesign the base classes, they can't really do what you're suggesting.

At least right now only THM's lore was mangled.

More importantly, as numerous people have already stated, blizzard and fire magic are near worthless for dealing damage anyways, so there needs to be quite a large overhaul to BLM's existing spells before this could even become relevant.

Oh and... how about that 15 ability per class limit? Sure you could replace Aero and Stone with Banish and Scourge, but what THM abilities would you replace with Aero and Stone?

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I'd remove the 15 limit on the classes cause it just limits the god damn game to not being fun.

id trade Firaga and Thundaga

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I'd remove the 15 limit on the classes cause it just limits the god damn game to not being fun.

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Considering they just implemented this system, I don't think it's going anywhere. It made the game better overall, honestly, some of the decisions they made are just frustrating, but understandable given the box they had designed themselves into, particularly with THM and CON.

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

id trade Firaga and Thundaga

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2 =/= 4

I'm assuming you want Aero>Aerora and Stone>Stonera.

Not that this really addresses any of the other issues with why BLM won't get them with the current system.

And when the hell did Versatility become "Overpowered"?

If Whm can cure and DD, I want black mage to be able to DD on any target, why the hell is that considered Overpowered?

LOL. Pretty soon, we're going to have all the depth, variety and mechanics of Super Mario Bros. - and you guys are gonna love it!!

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Originally Posted by Xoo

LOL. Pretty soon, we're going to have all the depth, variety and mechanics of Super Mario Bros. - and you guys are gonna love it!!

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Red Mage will come out and we'll be which job is which considering Whm can heal/dd/enfeeble.

Im scared for Red Mage

I like that mobs are 'attuned' to a certain element, and therefore weaker against some while stronger against others - or even neutral.

I skimmed over a lot of this "rabble"... However, as other people have already mentioned in this (and other) threads, the elemental skills available to BLM and WHM in this game have been seen in other FF games. I loved lots of stuff about XI (and, to be fair, disliked some too), but just because BLM (and WHM) aren't a nearly-exact carbon-copy of how they were in XI doesn't mean "OMG THEY NEEDS TO BE FIXED!!"

I can't speak for all, but I seem to remember that a lot of BLMs on my old XI server really only put merits into thunder/ice/fire spells (e.g., ele-potencies, etc.). Clearly they must have felt that their tier-IV thuder/ice/fire spells were weaker than thier tier-IV wind/water/stone spells... clearly... Good thing there wasn't a full elemental wheel in that game... er, wait.. o.O

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Originally Posted by Reaujien

I like that mobs are 'attuned' to a certain element, and therefore weaker against some while stronger against others - or even neutral.

I skimmed over a lot of this "rabble"... However, as other people have already mentioned in this (and other) threads, the elemental skills available to BLM and WHM in this game have been seen in other FF games. I loved lots of stuff about XI (and, to be fair, disliked some too), but just because BLM (and WHM) aren't a nearly-exact carbon-copy of how they were in XI doesn't mean "OMG THEY NEEDS TO BE FIXED!!"

I can't speak for all, but I seem to remember that a lot of BLMs on my old XI server really only put merits into thunder/ice/fire spells (e.g., ele-potencies, etc.). Clearly they must have felt that their tier-IV thuder/ice/fire spells were weaker than thier tier-IV wind/water/stone spells... clearly... Good thing there wasn't a full elemental wheel in that game... er, wait.. o.O

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To be perfectly fair... the only reason that was the case was that due to the tiering system, Fire/Ice/Thunder were stronger because they were "higher" level spells. And in XI damage equations did not scale with level.

(I.E. it's not as if the playerbase felt that these elements were inherently more "Black Mage.")

With the actual combo system and the way that we cant change spell/skills from our main jobs. If they add all elements to a single mage class... it would be a mess... a non skill character with the only potential to cast all spells... I love the way THM was before the patch, the single target and the aoe target where beatifull.... I love when my THM could tank and solo a DODORE...:cool: now I need other 2 or 3 players to kill it... thats what I call overpower... and I prefer this...:D

One class should have access to all elements? mmm Not sure about it... Ill like the idea... but then again to balance it... could add m.def... then we would have dungeons with very high mdef enemies and people would be rage... we cant mob because our blm cant kill them fast!!! :mad:

I love the elemental wheel... kind of mess up... but have logic since it divide into 2mmm... types astral and umbral... thats the reason why we cant have the old fachion ...fire...water...lighting...earth...wind...blizzard....fire... If SE makes changes then the whole lore about elements its going to be wasted...

IMO, lets see how they tweet the whole mages set up... if you dont like it... try another class, I have more fun playing as a DRG/WAR:cool: