Let us buy the ranked PvP mounts please

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Originally Posted by MPK

What harm does me buying a pvp mount for 38 dollars do? SE makes more money therefore more dev time for the game. Less intensives to trade wins which also makes pvp more competitive.

Selling rewards in the shop (or making it obtainable some how) is a plus for everyone.

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It's a problem because FFXIV is a casual oriented game where most of the playerbase doesn't really care about the challenge in PVE or the competitive aspect of PVP.

This is the same reason why Ultimates are still locked behind item level sync. If they weren't, a large part of the population wouldn't even attempt to learn those fights and just face roll them after they became easier, just to reap the rewards.

If PVP mounts weren't time gated, the Feast would be even more dead than it is now. Most casuals who are tryharding in it just because they are interested in the mounts or the achievements would just buy them from the mog station or by farming the wolf marks from frontlines while they watch Netflix.

I don't have any attachment to any mount anymore. I'm glad I got the regalia, I'd love it if they either 1 made the event that gave that mount always on, like a side quest that can always be done at any time, after a certain milestone is met maybe, or two just made the event happen at least once a year so people how missed it can get it. That or just put it on the cash shop.

PVP mounts or rewards ( if previous ones are anything to go by) are just not lucrative enough for me to want to pvp, and therefore I have already wrote off any desire to get them. I pvp'ed up until early 5.0, and said I'm through. It is awful, it needs to be taken back to formula, the people who are responsible for it need to be willing to accept that it is horrible, and either be re-assigned to some other area of the dev process, or truly in every way completely do away with the current form of it, and by that I mean all maps, the entire system, wolf's den etc, just completely get away from it, 100% destroy it, and rebuild from the ground up, the entire "reason" for pvp never sat well with me either, and I never liked Wolf's Den. Explore maybe the idea of people pvp'ing on behalf of the empire, or factions of the empire even.

PVP needs to be PVP tho, not annoy your opponents while they click on flags or whatever else. Sure that can be like 1 kind of map, but 90% of the pvp in the game is this way and it is annoying. As in not entertaining, but rather extremely annoying. Not WoW style capture the flag either, if I want that, I'll go play WoW. And pro-tip, I haven't played WoW in longer than probably half the player base has been able to walk. Maybe more than half. WoW is annoying.

The only game to really do PVP right that I have personally played (read, that I have personally played) was Ultima Online, and it too, in its current incarnation, is trash garbage. There truly is a whole copy of the game world people can travel to that is flagged as non-consensual pvp. The objective is basically live. You get double resources if you go lumber jacking/mining, there are items which can increase a character's maximum skill level locked behind now laughably easy "champion" spawns, but the threat is other players. It always was, and is to this day possible for you to put all the work into fighting the champion just to have a rival or guild of rivals show up and kill you, take your gold and finish the champ spawn and get the items you were there to farm for. You can possibly mount a counter attack and get the goodies back, or just bring a thief in and steal something possibly, but that game was truly in a league of its own in this regard. This was not always the case, when that was the only style of play the game nearly collapsed and it was the pve version of the world that saved the game from extinction. It's hobbled along to this point some 23'ish years now, maybe longer. But there was always the chance you'd log in and the moons aligned perfectly and you could just go do a champion spawn, get the items, and leave without seeing 1 other person in the entirety of your time there. Today most servers are dead husks, and the pvp is all automated, your character essentially a spread sheet you just try to get near your opponent and hope the stats outweigh the other guy's stats and win. So going for a case study of what made it tick now is probably not a good idea. You'd have to just look at the concept and steal ideas away from it, and you'd do much better off just asking yourself about this kind of pvp in FFXIV versus what's there. I do not like the idea of just queue'ing up for pvp as it is now. You hit queue, appear in a field with a bunch of randos there for experience points and tomes, regardless of if you win or not you get experience and tomes, and nothing in the game world changes. You aren't really better. You can't go adjust your gear to get an edge, you just show up at level 30 and yeah everybody else is level 30.. and hope the people you appeared on some random team with on a random map ate breakfast and slept the night before and aren't automated wall runners, there for xp and on the phone with their ex trying to salvage what's left of an on and off again relationship while mouth breathing in discord with someone they secretly hate.

I guess what I mean to say is nothing about pvp in this game is engaging, interesting or enjoyable. The rewards do no stir me to queue up for it. It's dead and gone. The enjoyable things that were are no more. I'm not demanding any changes be made, but I recommend the whole thing be utterly scrapped or quit wasting your time with it and just completely rebuild it. From scratch. Don't add a new map to the current formula, don't just change a few potencies or retool additional abilities.. just totally toss the whole system out the window and rebuild. It needs it if you want to engage people. Like completelyd o away with the level 30 idea, completely do away with little roulette style pvp with no impact on the world, don't try to lure people into with cutesy little animal mounts or house deco. Just get real with it. Sorry to derail the thread, but had to just blurb that out there.

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Originally Posted by Wegente

It's a problem because FFXIV is a casual oriented game where most of the playerbase doesn't really care about the challenge in PVE or the competitive aspect of PVP.

This is the same reason why Ultimates are still locked behind item level sync. If they weren't, a large part of the population wouldn't even attempt to learn those fights and just face roll them after they became easier, just to reap the rewards.

If PVP mounts weren't time gated, the Feast would be even more dead than it is now. Most casuals who are tryharding in it just because they are interested in the mounts or the achievements would just buy them from the mog station or by farming the wolf marks from frontlines while they watch Netflix.

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That just means that PvP is just bad. How would adding mounts to the item shop kill something that's already dead?

Adding the rewards to the shop would just mean the item would be more accessible to the casual player base that wouldn't even touch PvP in the first place, plus it means more money for the game.

Making it accessible in some other means just means that more players would actually do PvP.

Also having the word casual and tryharding in the same sentence doesn't really make sense. A casual would never hit top 100s because they're casuals.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Making it accessible in some other means just means that more players would actually do PvP.

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If the mounts were obtainable through wolf marks, people would do frontlines, not Feast.

I haven't played Feast in a long time, but I actually played it a lot during its first 4 seasons, before it got changed.

During the first 2 seasons, mounts as a rewards weren't introduced yet, and the PVP community was very small. That's when they tried to attract more players into the PVP scene by making exclusive mounts from season 3 onwards.
Quite a few new players started playing because of it - thanks to the Garo event as well - and the queues got shorter, making the Feast a more enjoyable experience overall since you didn't have to wait for hours to get a match.

Now mind you, I think trying to attract more players by giving them a carrot on a stick is a terrible idea.
But due to the state of the game, I think that's a necessary band-aid for ranked PVP.

The problem lies, in my opinion, in the playerbase itself. FFXIV is a casual game and as such attracts casual players. The amount of people who actually enjoy being challenged and being better than others is really small, even more so in the PVP scene.
No competitive PVP mode will ever be successful in this game, no matter how good it is, because the playerbase simply isn't interested in being competitive.

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Originally Posted by Wegente

If the mounts were obtainable through wolf marks, people would do frontlines, not Feast.

I haven't played Feast in a long time, but I actually played it a lot during its first 4 seasons, before it got changed.

During the first 2 seasons, mounts as a rewards weren't introduced yet, and the PVP community was very small. That's when they tried to attract more players into the PVP scene by making exclusive mounts from season 3 onwards.
Quite a few new players started playing because of it - thanks to the Garo event as well - and the queues got shorter, making the Feast a more enjoyable experience overall since you didn't have to wait for hours to get a match.

Now mind you, I think trying to attract more players by giving them a carrot on a stick is a terrible idea.
But due to the state of the game, I think that's a necessary band-aid for ranked PVP.

The problem lies, in my opinion, in the playerbase itself. FFXIV is a casual game and as such attracts casual players. The amount of people who actually enjoy being challenged and being better than others is really small, even more so in the PVP scene.
No competitive PVP mode will ever be successful in this game, no matter how good it is, because the playerbase simply isn't interested in being competitive.

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Cool give Feast a currency, make the mount require a lot of that currency like over 100 wins like for example ex totems.

Boom easy lots of new feast players. You're welcome I unkilled PvP.

As you said before if the casual base is too scared to touch pvp, nothing would make them touch PvP. Letting them straight out buy it for lets say 38 bux, will just rake in more money for SE which means a better game for everyone else.

In my opinion pvp is just complete trash due to all the latency and gameplay issues and I would never suffer through that garbage, but I'd spend a good 40 bux or something on the mount :)

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Originally Posted by MPK

Cool give Feast a currency, make the mount require a lot of that currency like over 100 wins like for example ex totems.

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I wouldn't be against a system where you could get old mounts by getting into the top 100 of the current season and get the current mount + a currency you could collect to buy old mounts.

If it was just about wins though, I feel like many people would exploit wintrade in lower ranks - and in general it wouldn't feel like an achievement, just a grind.

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Originally Posted by Wegente

I wouldn't be against a system where you could get old mounts by getting into the top 100 of the current season and get the current mount + a currency you could collect to buy old mounts.

If it was just about wins though, I feel like many people would exploit wintrade in lower ranks - and in general it wouldn't feel like an achievement, just a grind.

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We got wintrading in higher ranks whats your point lmao

Do games played then make it obtainable some how. More people will play PvP if there was a grind.

Doing this will BRING PEOPLE TO PvP instead of having a season that no one plays after a week

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Originally Posted by MPK

We got wintrading in higher ranks whats your point lmao

Do games played then make it obtainable some how. More people will play PvP if there was a grind.

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I find it very hard to believe since back when I played the people who systematically wintraded dozens of games always got banned.
I can understand if people throwing a couple of games to a friend who is in their promos don't get banned, but those who do it on a regular basis eventually get banned.

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Originally Posted by Wegente

I find it very hard to believe since back when I played the people who systematically wintraded dozens of games always got banned.
I can understand if people throwing a couple of games to a friend who is in their promos don't get banned, but those who do it on a regular basis eventually get banned.

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Hmm wonder why some of my friends ain't banned.

All I'm seeing is you trying to gatekeep items

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Originally Posted by MPK

Hmm wonder why some of my friends ain't banned.

All I'm seeing is you trying to gatekeep items

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Earning items or titles by proving to be one of the best 100 players in your datacenter at something is not gatekeeping, even crafters and gatherers have leaderboards nowadays. Why can't PVP players have one?

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Originally Posted by Wegente

Earning items or titles by proving to be one of the best 100 players in your datacenter at something is not gatekeeping, even crafters and gatherers have leaderboards nowadays. Why can't PVP players have one?

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Keep the titles. Items should be available for all.

But yes what you are doing is considered gatekeeping :) You are indeed a gatekeeper :)

Honestly if they give them a staggered release - like it'll take two years after the ranked items drop before the rest of the server can earn them then I'd be fine with it. Make the titles stay PVP centric, but with two years that's basically enough time to enjoy the mounts and show them off before moving onto the next reward.

Frankly I love how they advertise the new weapons for winning using the armor that is no longer obtainable and hasn't been obtainable for years. Seriously; keep that stuff in to buy with wolf marks or bring it back each season, that's just a waste not to be able to get it somehow now.

ok this whole thread needs to like stop. the system isn't going to change and no past rewards will be made available. no matter how much you whine about it.

They were added on certain terms and SE should stay true to their word.

I'm not against making obviously different recolors.

God, no. Don’t take away literally the only incentive to PVP before Square Enix addresses the situation. Stop, that bs is toxic. You don’t torch an entire community because you think it’s useless and you want our exclusive items.

there will be no non-PVP feast recolors for the masses. nay

This smells like a troll thread. >.>

I'm fine either way. If they decide to make them available I might go for the ones I like. The dog mounts are pretty cool, the chairs...not so much. But I wouldn't put up with PVP under any circumstance, so for the people doing so I don't mind them having something to boast about.
Then again I don't have much sympathy towards PVP communities lol. Honestly, whatever SE does here I'll approve.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Why can't I have it though? Time gating stuff like that is bad for the game. Riot Games even understood that and made all unobtainable skins obtainable.

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Did you just compare moba game to a mmorpg?
And you are wrong because you cant get previous ranked seasons skins like S1 Jarvan etc.
Your argument is invalid just as your entitled way of thinking

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Originally Posted by MPK

Less intensives to trade wins which also makes pvp more competitive.

Selling rewards in the shop is a plus for everyone.

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The amount of time you spent replying to these posts could have been invested in The Feast, you would at least be silver by now. A few hundred points off top100 and your ranked mount.

PvE has the same latency problems like PvP, it is just way slower gameplay - so it is less noticeable. They need to change their whole game code before they fix that.

PvP doesn't have a competition problem because of win trades, if you would play it you would know, and you even seem to know wintrader even though you hate the mode, probably untrue maybe because you are a troll by now and even if, just report then ?!

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

The amount of time you spent replying to these posts could have been invested in The Feast, you would at least be silver by now. A few hundred points off top100 and your ranked mount.

PvE has the same latency problems like PvP, it is just way slower gameplay - so it is less noticeable. They need to change their whole game code before they fix that.

PvP doesn't have a competition problem because of win trades, if you would play it you would know, and you even seem to know wintrader even though you hate the mode, probably untrue maybe because you are a troll by now and even if, just report then ?!

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nah pvp so dead that no one even queues after first week

Plus that's not my intention. I'd want all items to be available. :)

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Originally Posted by MPK

nah pvp so dead that no one even queues after first week

Plus that's not my intention. I'd want all items to be available. :)

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PvP in general or the feast. I see PF for Rival Wings, I will see people looking to do the feast at the very beginning of the season, and frontlines is pretty good everyday until late at night then the queue stops roughly midnight pst. not sure how its dead. Just go do it. Definitely had an chance to earn the Rival Wings Mount a couple of months ago with the Mog Tome event.

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

PvP in general or the feast. I see PF for Rival Wings, I will see people looking to do the feast at the very beginning of the season, and frontlines is pretty good everyday until late at night then the queue stops roughly midnight pst. not sure how its dead. Just go do it. Definitely had an chance to earn the Rival Wings Mount a couple of months ago with the Mog Tome event.

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That's not really the point of this thread. The point of this thread is to be able to buy old PvP mounts/rewards. Not including the titles.

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Originally Posted by MPK

It's stupid it's giving the same reward. Might as well put ultimate weapons as a cactpot reward because it's so rare to win, right!?

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This is what you said in the Faux Leves thread.
So you're basically saying that having Ultimate weapons as a cactpot reward would be wrong but at the same time want the Feast mounts to be available for everyone by buying them on the mog station or a similar easy method, instead of earning them.

Talk about double standards.

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Originally Posted by Wegente

This is what you said in the Faux Leves thread.
So you're basically saying that having Ultimate weapons as a cactpot reward would be wrong but at the same time want the Feast mounts to be available for everyone by buying them on the mog station or a similar easy method, instead of earning them.

Talk about double standards.

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Well since SE is giving away the same rewards might as well put ultimate weapons in there. Might as well put pvp rewards in there too. At least be consistent.

I'm impressed that you dug through my post history for that.

Edit: You're still trying to derail this thread. This thread is meant to make unobtainable items obtainable again.

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Originally Posted by MPK

You're still trying to derail this thread. This thread is meant to make unobtainable items obtainable again.

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I'm not. This was to show that the only reason you want the PVP mounts to be obtainable through other means is because you don't like the PVP in this game and don't want to (or can't) get good at it and obtain them by earning your top 100 spot.

I'm pretty sure there's plenty of players out there who'd like their Ultimate weapons as well but aren't good enough to get them. Why don't we have those on the mog station as well? I'm sure they would be happy.

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Originally Posted by Wegente

I'm not. This was to show that the only reason you want the PVP mounts to be obtainable through other means is because you don't like the PVP in this game and don't want to (or can't) get good at it and obtain them by earning your top 100 spot.

I'm pretty sure there's plenty of players out there who'd like their Ultimate weapons as well but aren't good enough to get them. Why don't we have those on the mog station as well? I'm sure they would be happy.

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Sure tell me how to get some idk season 5 rewards. If there was a way I'd get really good at pvp :)

But no you can't get those items :)

Again stop trying to derail this thread.

Give vote up!

Since I alwasy got bad time or missed. Also players don't queue for place as I need get robot gorilla mount from Achievements....
Put all old pvp mounts in vendor, SE! We buy with wolf marks

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Originally Posted by MPK

That's not really the point of this thread. The point of this thread is to be able to buy old PvP mounts/rewards. Not including the titles.

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In that case, YoshiP has stated last october he has no intention to make feast rewards past or present obtainable except by participating and placing in the rankings to get the collars. Not everything is obtainable and honestly that how it should be.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-Feast-Rewards

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

In that case, YoshiP has stated last october he has no intention to make feast rewards past or present obtainable except by participating and placing in the rankings to get the collars. Not everything is obtainable and honestly that how it should be.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-Feast-Rewards

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That's the point of this thread. To express interest in buying stuff in the shop :)

I'm not sure what bringing something obvious like that is supposed to do

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Originally Posted by MPK

Sure tell me how to get some idk season 5 rewards. If there was a way I'd get really good at pvp :)

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Dude, he legit talked about a system how to get the rewards back, by exchanging a voucher for a current season for an older season reward.
But you are so adamant about getting them for real money or some grinding activity a bot could do. And your reasoning is simply that you don't like everything associated with PvP.
I'm glad we don't change a system because one person is outraged about what thousands of people have still fun with.

No matter how much time you will spend in this game, you will never get every item anymore. There are many items that are not obtainable anymore, where are your posts about those?

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

Dude, he legit talked about a system how to get the rewards back, by exchanging a voucher for a current season for an older season reward.
But you are so adamant about getting them for real money or some grinding activity a bot could do. And your reasoning is simply that you don't like everything associated with PvP.
I'm glad we don't change a system because one person is outraged about what thousands of people have still fun with.

No matter how much time you will spend in this game, you will never get every item anymore. There are many items that are not obtainable anymore, where are your posts about those?

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Does that exist in the current system? :OOOOO

no, but it was an idea. In fact many people debated in pvp forums since years by now, how to improve the reward structure because it is so damn infuriating for new players who not reach top100 and get basically nothing than just wolf collars which are pretty useless if you dont like the weapon glams. But SE doesn't seem motivated to fix that.

If you are interested in a mount then you are probably interested in the model of it and not a specific color. This is why people argued they could be given out for wolf collars so people get a "base" version of the ranked reward mount, so they have at least one version even if they cant get all. This would be an compromise but also needs additional dev resources.

Ive seen a datamine even of another greenish hellhound and we don't know where to get it or if its real, people think its for a LP season but who knows. I would personally hate that they touch heavensward rewards but you see yoshida just said they dont bring back the same mounts, but he never said no reskins. :) Typical way of meaning 'Yes' when Yoshida says 'No' like on so many topics in the past.

You see not all PvP players are totally against your idea of making stuff more accessible, but you went for the "nuke PvP because its bad" option and that is just overkill. Rarity is a nice concept in MMORPG's in my opinion. It is a challenge.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

no, but it was an idea. In fact many people debated in pvp forums since years by now, how to improve the reward structure because it is so damn infuriating for new players who not reach top100 and get basically nothing than just wolf collars which are pretty useless if you dont like the weapon glams. But SE doesn't seem motivated to fix that.

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Well you see thats the point of this thread :OOO

Shocking right?!

Like oh my god I wonder what we were talking about for the past couple (12) pages!

There is a difference between making something better and abolishing the whole system and call it fixed.
Shocking right?

Well, last message from me, you seem too self-centric about this topic than to get a bigger picture of it and include both sides. Or like I said before, maybe you are just trolling : oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

After every season competing players in the top 100 should get:

-Custom character auras and effects.
-Custom skill animations for some of the most iconic skills.
-Custom Limit Breaks for all content.
-Custom Player icon that marks them as champion(s) of the current season.

Also, ranking should be per server, not datacenter. What, too slow of a queue, yeah, that happens when players don't have motivations to play your gamemodes.

If players don't match their results next season, they lose all of the above. So if a player truly wants to show their PvP skills, they will have to constantly be competing to keep their achievements.
The items, should be exclusive during current season and then be released to an NPC wolf mark - collar based economy.

We don't need more Mog Station items lol

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Originally Posted by MPK

That's the point of this thread. To express interest in buying stuff in the shop :)

I'm not sure what bringing something obvious like that is supposed to do

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Then I am expressing my interest in ensuring this doesn’t happen.
I enjoy there being things I’ve missed. I enjoy working to earn them.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

You can't get everything just by throwing money at it. If you want the rewards, earn 'em.

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Thats just the thing, these are RANKED pvp rewards, only so many people per datacenter gets them.

Personally, i'd like if they added previous season rewards to be obtainable through other methods say...oh i dunno, 2 years after their release as PVP mounts? Honestly the hellhound armour is some of the best looking armour in the game but only 100 people per datacenter got it when it was added like 4 years ago, so in EU thats litterally 200 people across a whole 1/3rd of the regions the game supports...which is honestly stupid. Sure, it may seem exclusive like that, but its TOO exclusive, i think over the past 4 years ive only seen ONE person wearing it! ONE! Its ridiculous! Even if it cost 1 million wolf marks i wouldn't care, it simply needs to be added to be obtained again. They've had half of the games life span to flaunt how they put up with the aweful pvp servers and systems, we should really get a chance at getting it ourselves by now.