Alliance Raids Fix. Show your support.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Don't worry too much about the Ivalice Raids. The actual quest to start the relic has not been released yet. Once players are actually required to go into Ivalice to progress their relic, then you shouldn't have any trouble getting in there.

While it does make me happy that incentive will be given to Ivalice, and it should also improve the roulette, I can't help but feel SE used their once per expansion carrot (the relic) on Ivalice instead of fresh content. We will just have to wait to see what else the grind entails.

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The fates of ARR to get more people in open world. So many bad memories for shitty drop rate.



I don't understand why they don't just rebalance the content people are skipping or dropping. They have grouped them together if one takes 15 mins and the others take 30 mins. They clearly do not share a similar time/reward ratio. I am not talking about 15 mins people get to bent out of shape if a run takes X mins longer. I am more talking one being double the time. Do these things not get reviewed? What about people dropping? Does this not show up either? I am not saying it has to be done every patch. But maybe at X.3 of each expansion a review and a post on one of those famous live letters. Instead of trying to sell something maybe some info and how they are going to handle these issues. And these issues discussed by region. Maybe one region sucks it up and just finishes it. This is a global MMO they can't just pull data from one region and pretend everything is good, or maybe they can.

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Originally Posted by Snapdragyn

I definitely wish they'd do something to divide things up more.

I am a solidly lower skilled player. I cannot do Ex trials 'in expac'; I have difficulty even with the harder ones from the previous expac. I have never set foot in a Savage, & probably never will.

I absolutely have no business in the Ivalice raids. None. I cannot do Orbonne. I die multiple times, even as DPS, even with someone on voice chat calling things for me.

I'm trying to level healers & tanks now. AR gives some decent XP - if I draw the easy ones that even I can do. If I draw Orbonne? I have to quit on the spot to avoid bringing the entire raid to a wipe. How does this system help anyone? I don't care about the 30 minute lock-out, but now there's a raid that's down a critical role & has to replace it with someone (hopefully) able to handle it.

If they were divided into some sort of tier system, this entire mess could be avoided - I'd do the ARR & HW raids that I can manage, & avoid the SB ones that I can't. No one gets stuck looking for a replacement, or carrying my corpse through the entire run. It's a win for everyone.

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Generally I err towards the side of mercy, and not "get gud" attitudes, though I feel like with FFXIV, the normal raid roulette and leveling roulette tend to have a pretty decent gamut of difficulty that escalates with level, no? Why should alliance raid roulette be different? I feel like like Labyrinth of the Ancients and Syrcus Tower, as level 50 content, should be brought up a little in difficulty, if anything.

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Originally Posted by Eldevern

I imagine there are people cheating but most of time, I see the bonus. Since raids are side quests and there are levelling potions, I'm not sure there so many cheaters.

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Since there are 24 participants you only need 1 first timer or 1 cheater to end up in LotA or ST and the cheaters are often hard to spot as they immediately equip their full gear once the queue pops. A character's level/ilevel is only checked for accessibility when they first queue up in DF.

All someone needs to do to cheat the system and force LotA is queue with only an i455+ weapon and their jobstone equipped. This forces the queue to look for or create a spot for an ~i70 character even if they end up confirming in i500.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

Generally I err towards the side of mercy, and not "get gud" attitudes, though I feel like with FFXIV, the normal raid roulette and leveling roulette tend to have a pretty decent gamut of difficulty that escalates with level, no? Why should alliance raid roulette be different? I feel like like Labyrinth of the Ancients and Syrcus Tower, as level 50 content, should be brought up a little in difficulty, if anything.

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You know, it is not CT are easy, it is people are overgeared (or sync is too lite). There are mechanics on Scylla we don't see anymore (the one-shot "Daybreak" that oblige people of each team to go on their plateform, or the proper use of the orbs, there are also the jumps and the Wright management on Glasya we don't have to do anymore. Only Amon or Xande are rather complete). In ARR time, we sometimes were close to have two Daybreak and now, only "old" players have an idea of what these mechanics were. The Dragon on CT1 and the management of the skeletons, nobody care but only because of overgear.

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Originally Posted by Eldevern

You know, it is not CT are easy, it is people are overgeared (or sync is too lite). There are mechanics on Scylla we don't see anymore (the one-shot "Daybreak" that oblige people of each team to go on their plateform, or the proper use of orbs, there are also the jumps and the Wright management on Glasya we don't have to do anymore. Only Amon or Xande are rather complete). In ARR time, we sometimes were close to have two Daybreak and now, only "old" players have an idea of what these mechanics were. The Dragon on CT1 and the management of the skeletons, nobody care but only because of overgear.

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This is the main reason that LotA and ST are "faceroll." LotA is tuned so that a group of i50 to i70 characters can clear and ST is tuned so a group of i70 to i90 can clear. The ilevel all 3 ARR Allaince Raids sync to? i130/i135. That is 2 to 3 times as much gear as the fights are intended to handle.

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Originally Posted by Eldevern

You know, it is not CT are easy, it is people are overgeared (or sync is too lite). There are mechanics on Scylla we don't see anymore (the one-shot "Daybreak" that oblige people of each team to go on their plateform, or the proper use of the orbs, there are also the jumps and the Wright management on Glasya we don't have to do anymore. Only Amon or Xande are rather complete). In ARR time, we sometimes were close to have two Daybreak and now, only "old" players have an idea of what these mechanics were. The Dragon on CT1 and the management of the skeletons, nobody care but only because of overgear.

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Yeah. That makes a lot of sense, actually. Maybe a combination of tighter ilevel and a little modernization (making some of the mechanics more intuitive like stack markers in World of Darkness), would make more sense.

A lot of talk about rewards and time spent. And here I am, just enjoying the music and the scenery... If I don't get a crystal tower raid that is. I hate that place really bad now. I cant remember the last time I did an alliance or normal raid "roulette".

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

2) Make Alliance Raids only available to players who unlocked that entire raid tier for their level. So no matter what level you are, if you're queing for MSQ Alliance you'll need all 3 CT raids to unlock it. For Standard Alliance, if you're 80 you'll need all raid tiers (60-current) to unlock the roulette. I think this is pretty fair, considering other roulettes have restrictions like this.

3) Standard Alliance Raid roulette to be locked to the minimum ilvl requirement of THE LEVEL YOU QUE WITH. If you que as lvl 80, you must meet the minimum requirement for Copied Factory or you can't participate in the roulette. Level 70? Minimum for Rabanastre. Level 60? Minimum for Void Ark. No more manipulation of the system. Period.

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I know so many people who are wildly overleveled now due to the moogle tome events and suchnot... I have friends who are still in Heavensward MSQ but who have reached level 74. As they aren't even into Stormblood yet—much less Shadowbringers—it's not as if they can go get tomestone gear appropriate to level 70. It feels to me like this change would prevent them from queuing for alliance roulette at all—despite it being an excellent source of tomestones while leveling—until they reach Stormblood and unlock the Ivalice raids—and by then they'd probably be at level 80, and have to get to ShB and unlock the NieR stuff before they could use Alliance Roulette again.

I think a better implementation would be that it requires you to queue with the minimum ilevel for the highest-level alliance raid which you have completed that you can run with the level you're queuing at.

Overleveled to 74 but haven't yet unlocked the Ivalice raids? You gotta queue with at least the minimum ilevel for the Mhachi ones. Leveling a new class and only at 53? You have to queue with at least the minimum ilevel for the Crystal Tower ones. Reached 80 but not yet done with Shadowbringers, and haven't cleared the Copied Factory yet? Gotta queue with the minimum ilevel for the Ivalice raids.

This would prevent the ilevel cheesing but would also not break alliance roulette for you if you overlevel past the expansion you're in (which is very easy with Road to 70 bonuses and such).

I haven't done Alliance roulette for this reason for.. 2 months now? I can't stand in getting into CT or Lota time time after time after time... I might get Void ark if the roulette is feeling frisky, but it's just as dull (if not more dull) than the other two I get. I get it, it's easy XP and fast tomes, but it's mind numbing. And funny enough what I saw when I still did the roulette, people who cheese it, they do it for the sole reason of being able to AFK the whole thing. They get CT like they wanted, they run into the room where the fight is (most times not even that, just wait for insta tp) and AFK. People don't even bother to do the raid since you know.. you can just smack it right? So we have multiple people being AFK and getting the free XP. And that happening every day for weeks is... well annoying to say the least. I know ''mind my own damn business'' and let people AFK it's only lvl50 raid... But giving free rides to lazy people for weeks every day get's really annoying.
''Why don't you just que for the raids you want to do?'' They don't pop, few of my alts never finished the SB raids, because of the many hour que times and still people leacing and raid dispanding. I'm fine with waiting an hour for a raid (I can craft/gather while waiting), but if it ends up in people leaving after they see the duty it's just gonna be a waste of time. Why do people hate any kind of difficulty? Having to step out of the way of a falling pillar in Hashmal, that's too hard? Using duty action in Orbonne to live (it doesn't one shot people, healers just have to be quick before AoE damage). Why is everything so numb in the game now, why are roulettes ''Get it done quick and easy''. Reason why those raids cause problems are people who refuse to do mechanics and the fact, that they pop so rarely no one remembers them anymore.
I don't care what they do to the roulette, but I won't run it until I can actually get other raids than CT and Lota..

I want far more Ivalice and far less Crystal Tower. It wouldn't be so bad if CT's mechanics weren't broken thanks to ilevel, but that's not the world we live in. There need to be stricter gear caps on dungeons like those. I don't want them to be impossibly hard, but I would appreciate it if the dungeons couldn't be facerolled through.

Yeah SE time to fix Alliance Roulette. It is freaking annoying when I have to run CT raids every single day.

I agree with the MSQ roulette idea, but I kinda think separate roulette for raid tiers in general are a non starter considering that the devs folded the 50, 60 and 70 dungeons into a single roulette. So chances are there' be no Level 60 Raid roulette or 70 Raid roulette, just a roulette for Void Arc and onwards.

A concern though is if SE decided to "canonize" other raids. the MSQ roulette works because hose two were the only instances of their kind with similar-in-role-instory/gameplay dungeons being made for 4 players and thus placed in the regular roulette, but if SE incorporates other allience raids into the MSQ then the issue is replicated. Another one being WoD (and beyond) being given the Castrum Meridianum treatment of players insta quitting before the instance even starts due to there begin a disparity of difficulty between that and the previous two.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

I agree with the MSQ roulette idea, but I kinda think separate roulette for raid tiers in general are a non starter considering that the devs folded the 50, 60 and 70 dungeons into a single roulette. So chances are there' be no Level 60 Raid roulette or 70 Raid roulette, just a roulette for Void Arc and onwards.

A concern though is if SE decided to "canonize" other raids. the MSQ roulette works because hose two were the only instances of their kind with similar-in-role-instory/gameplay dungeons being made for 4 players and thus placed in the regular roulette, but if SE incorporates other allience raids into the MSQ then the issue is replicated. Another one being WoD (and beyond) being given the Castrum Meridianum treatment of players insta quitting before the instance even starts due to there begin a disparity of difficulty between that and the previous two.

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This idea was to separate the Crystal Tower Raids ONLY. The other raids would be lumped together as per usual. And as far as I've read, they are making the CT raids canon (due to the ShB storyline being directly tied to them) as part of the changes to ARR and will likely be MSQ. So this part of my suggestion might actually happen!

Also the mass quits during current MSQ Roulette are not for difficulty but for EXP. The longer one gives significantly more exp. Like... If you have food active and have about a 4th of a bar you could very well level if its Praetorium. Castrum gives less (unless I have that backward).

Level everything to 80 and then you never have to make a decision, you get everything.

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Originally Posted by Shahi

Yeah SE time to fix Alliance Roulette. It is freaking annoying when I have to run CT raids every single day.

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What's Crystal Tower.

All I get is Orbonne, Orbonne, Lighthouse, Orbonne, and Orbonne.

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Originally Posted by technole

Level everything to 80 and then you never have to make a decision, you get everything.



What's Crystal Tower.

All I get is Orbonne, Orbonne, Lighthouse, Orbonne, and Orbonne.

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I have all to 80, usually do my raid roulette as a healer or dps and all I get is CT or LoTa, might see WoD if I'm lucky. Your level has nothing to do with it if people in queue cheese it.

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Originally Posted by Neoom

I have all to 80, usually do my raid roulette as a healer or dps and all I get is CT or LoTa, might see WoD if I'm lucky. Your level has nothing to do with it if people in queue cheese it.

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You get everything = full tome allotment and choices of in-need jobs for additional bonuses.

Not the type of instance.

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Originally Posted by Neoom

I have all to 80, usually do my raid roulette as a healer or dps and all I get is CT or LoTa, might see WoD if I'm lucky. Your level has nothing to do with it if people in queue cheese it.

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I suggest that those who think they're in a 50 level duty because of cheese they look at the role levels of their party. I've found there is usually a 50 and definately 60's in most of the parties I queue into and i run alliance daily.

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Originally Posted by technole

You get everything = full tome allotment and choices of in-need jobs for additional bonuses.

Not the type of instance.

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Still, a lot of people cheese the queue to avoid the other raids outside of CT, which I do believe that's the point their making.

Personally I just queue up under the raids button if I wanted something different as healer or tank after my roulette is done if I am feeling the alliance raid bug in me. I will admit when I do queue for alliance raid roulette, I do get a bit a happy to when I see something else other CT especially this past couple of weeks its been a nice mix of HW raids and StB raids.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I suggest that those who think they're in a 50 level duty because of cheese they look at the role levels of their party. I've found there is usually a 50 and definately 60's in most of the parties I queue into and i run alliance daily.

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So me seeing people being 80 and load in naked are not the reason I get lvl50 raids? Sure :/ I don't even remember the last bonus I had, and usually everyone in my party is way over 60..

Nobody is forcing you to run alliance raid roulettes, I'm more than happy to get my rewards for content that takes 20ish minutes or so to clear.

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Originally Posted by Neoom

So me seeing people being 80 and load in naked are not the reason I get lvl50 raids? Sure :/ I don't even remember the last bonus I had, and usually everyone in my party is way over 60..

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That's not to say people don't cheese it. I'm just suggesting that you check your party each time you load in and you'll see you don't have a party of all 70's and that there are usually 50's and 60 in that group. I've made it a habit of checking cause I'm curious. So the I don't get Orbonne line doesn't really hold water for a good many of the duties for Alliance Roulette. And that's just my party not counting the other 2.

I just wished they would do the best thing, give us a roulett for every level/raid, 50/60/70 is already annoying enough and even more gettin CT all the time, let us choose...

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

2) Make Alliance Raids only available to players who unlocked that entire raid tier for their level. So no matter what level you are, if you're queing for MSQ Alliance you'll need all 3 CT raids to unlock it. For Standard Alliance, if you're 80 you'll need all raid tiers (60-current) to unlock the roulette. I think this is pretty fair, considering other roulettes have restrictions like this.

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Guess Im a bit confused by this one? So you can only do alliance raid if youve all 3 raid tiers unlocked, but that would mean that if you wanted to clear Rabanaster or something, youd have to manually queue for all 3 tiers of before you can use the roulette? Wouldnt this discourage people from clearing content and would have to sit in queues for specific raids to actually be able to use the Alliance DF? Itd also shrink the pool of players who want to do alliances and potentially increase queue times.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

3) Standard Alliance Raid roulette to be locked to the minimum ilvl requirement of THE LEVEL YOU QUE WITH. If you que as lvl 80, you must meet the minimum requirement for Copied Factory or you can't participate in the roulette. Level 70? Minimum for Rabanastre. Level 60? Minimum for Void Ark. No more manipulation of the system. Period.

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Also whats with the wierd queuing abuse thing? Can someone explain this to me?

Its about the roulett, you unlock P1. You clear it, you get P2... and so on. You can que it for loot if you didnt get any or when its already unlocked. Only if you want to use it for leveling you have to have all 3 open.


It used to be like that, newer players wont remember but you would only get your Tiral and Lv 50 roulett after unlocking EVERY dungeon within it. I despise that change a lot. (It could have been esily set so it only asks for stuff you can have at your progress)

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Guess Im a bit confused by this one? So you can only do alliance raid if youve all 3 raid tiers unlocked, but that would mean that if you wanted to clear Rabanaster or something, youd have to manually queue for all 3 tiers of before you can use the roulette? Wouldnt this discourage people from clearing content and would have to sit in queues for specific raids to actually be able to use the Alliance DF? Itd also shrink the pool of players who want to do alliances and potentially increase queue times.



Also whats with the wierd queuing abuse thing? Can someone explain this to me?

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For the first, a lot of players would only unlock the first raid of a tier, which is usually an easier one, then que for roulette. That means everyone is now stuck with that one raid because if you haven't unlocked it, you can't que for it. Other games, like Neverwinter, will place you in any duty you have the ilvl for but its not so here in FF.

For the second, the ilvl requirement is an old cheese. People would purposely lower their ilvl to get certain raids, but que at max level for max level rewards. If you're forced to be the minimum ilevel for the raid associate with your level, that will help negate some of that.

Hope that cleared things up a little?

You can't force players to do something, many just won't run the roulette at all and that's a shame. If you want to run the higher level raids just que for them. I get thrown into copied factory and lately the ivalice raids pretty often when I que up on a high level job, not as often as CT mind you but you will naturally have more players with access to only lower level raids so that is about right.

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Originally Posted by SonjaRampage

You can't force players to do something, many just won't run the roulette at all and that's a shame.

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I'd rather they not do the roulette because the alliance raids will take 45 minutes than have players forcing the 2 easiest Raids because they take 15 minutes.

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If you want to run the higher level raids just que for them. I get thrown into copied factory and lately the ivalice raids pretty often when I que up on a high level job, not as often as CT mind you but you will naturally have more players with access to only lower level raids so that is about right.

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I'd expect LotA, ST and WoD to be roughly equally common, but LotA and ST seem to be far more common than WoD. Factor in that some player may be completely skipping the Machi raids (and intentionally planning never to unlock them) and only recently unlocking the the Ivalice raids because of the level 80 relics (which explains the sudden increase in AR dropping people into Rab, Rid and Orb post 5.25) and it becomes likely that the NA and EU Alliance Roulettes are being rigged to favor LotA and ST.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

This idea was to separate the Crystal Tower Raids ONLY. The other raids would be lumped together as per usual. And as far as I've read, they are making the CT raids canon (due to the ShB storyline being directly tied to them) as part of the changes to ARR and will likely be MSQ. So this part of my suggestion might actually happen!

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To be clear, the raids have always been canon. They definitely happened in the intended version of the storyline and will be referenced in things such as the lorebook and Tales From bonus stories. The game just bends around to accommodate people who aren't sticking to that canon timeline.

Other optional raid series are likewise necessary to canon for Shadowbringers, but are not being required in the same way. Presumably this is because they're more "background information" but they're planning to directly build on CT's events. That doesn't negate their canon status, just the urgency of the player having seen those events play out in their personalised timeline.

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Originally Posted by Neoom

So me seeing people being 80 and load in naked are not the reason I get lvl50 raids? Sure :/ I don't even remember the last bonus I had, and usually everyone in my party is way over 60..

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They're certainly a possible reason why you got the low level raid, but even if they didn't do it you might have been pulled down by a Lv50-59 player in the party anyway. Or even 60+ and not through HW or not having unlocked the Mhach raids.

There's also a chance - small but genuine - that the underdressed Lv80 player might have queued with the right gear but then joined the duty wearing something else. I always have a few "glamour" outfits that are actually real equipment on one of my battle classes. It could happen.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

For the first, a lot of players would only unlock the first raid of a tier, which is usually an easier one, then que for roulette. That means everyone is now stuck with that one raid because if you haven't unlocked it, you can't que for it.

For the second, the ilvl requirement is an old cheese. People would purposely lower their ilvl to get certain raids, but que at max level for max level rewards. If you're forced to be the minimum ilevel for the raid associate with your level, that will help negate some of that.

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Requiring Crystal Tower should at least help somewhat with this, if people have to at least unlock all three raids - you could also make an argument for raising the minimum ilevel for the roulette to match World of Darkness (if it isn't already).

I don't think they're able to implement a "scaling requirement" under their current system though. It seems like they just set that one minimum as a fixed number and can't apply anything higher. I assume it's because the system was only built with ARR in mind and hasn't adapted well to the expanded level ranges.

The question is whether they can fix it or whether it's too deeply embedded and they're stuck with it.

Honestly, it should just increase the minimum iLvl to whatever the lowest of the set is at your level (eg. Level 60-69 minimum ilvl matches Void Ark)
...so you might not get the hardest thing or have the biggest iLVL jump to deal with, but at least it will be harder to cheese.

Bad point, it’ll just turn into castrum where people just leave, wait their penalty time and requeue.

Kris, that would be a lot of requeuing though, and I don't believe people would have the patience even for that, plus all the time lost from trying, so might not be so bad after all.

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

Kris, that would be a lot of requeuing though, and I don't believe people would have the patience even for that, plus all the time lost from trying, so might not be so bad after all.

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Absolutely agreed; There really is no good way to fix it without introducing a bajillion new problems...

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Originally Posted by SonjaRampage

You can't force players to do something, many just won't run the roulette at all and that's a shame. If you want to run the higher level raids just que for them. I get thrown into copied factory and lately the ivalice raids pretty often when I que up on a high level job, not as often as CT mind you but you will naturally have more players with access to only lower level raids so that is about right.

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No. Queing for the standard raids doesn't give you the bonus. I'm not opposed to getting any of the lower raids but this is mostly about abolishing the manipulation going on so that all the duties get a fair chance.

I guess there's an element of whether or not some people are manually queuing for something, or everyone is coming through the roulette.

If one person is manually queuing for Orbonne, then the game is going to have to find some people who can fill the ranks for that.

If nobody needs to be doing any particular raid, then the game is just going to pick the first 24 people in the roulette queue and put them in something that all of them are eligible for - and in the vast majority of cases there's going to be someone who is ineligible for higher raids for some reason, and your chances of getting high raids are increasingly slim.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I guess there's an element of whether or not some people are manually queuing for something, or everyone is coming through the roulette.

If one person is manually queuing for Orbonne, then the game is going to have to find some people who can fill the ranks for that.

If nobody needs to be doing any particular raid, then the game is just going to pick the first 24 people in the roulette queue and put them in something that all of them are eligible for - and in the vast majority of cases there's going to be someone who is ineligible for higher raids for some reason, and your chances of getting high raids are increasingly slim.

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It's not just that, because if you queue outside roulette for a specific raid that's not CT it's never gonna pop. Because of cheaters, lowering their ilvl, and the mass of people who, even if 80, never bothered unlocking anything but CT because it's just easier to get rewards like that.

I only managed to pop the Ivalice raids I was missing because of the new relic, and because I queued for them right away when it came out. Before that I tried many times for hours. Even if you manage to put together a qualified team, the moment someone withdraws and it finds new member, the new member won't be qualified and the group moves to a different raid.
And with an alt I just now finally unlocked Void Ark, but I know I'll never get to do that and the rest of the chain either. And the least they pop, the least new people will have them unlocked past the first, the more it will keep being CT.

Honestly, I stopped doing alliance raids altogether because even though I'd be so excited to do the other raids, I absolutely can't bare to see anything in CT (now even WoD) anymore. I'd rather cut my hands off.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

1) Make the Crystal Tower Raids into a separate roulette called MSQ Alliance Raids. These raids are basically canon now with the new expansion so lets give them the same insane chunk of exp that standard MSQ gets (keep the tome payout) and anyone who is leveling or wants the easier path can chose this option and not take the chance of higher raids away from others who want them.

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This just sounds... greedy.
You want a roulette that only gives you Crystal Tower raids, and gives you MORE tomes than it currently does. This screams that you simply have no interest in doing the higher level raids, and THAT is the real problem. We need incentive to do all of the content, not segregate the popular content so people only do that.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

2) Make Alliance Raids only available to players who unlocked that entire raid tier for their level. So no matter what level you are, if you're queing for MSQ Alliance you'll need all 3 CT raids to unlock it. For Standard Alliance, if you're 80 you'll need all raid tiers (60-current) to unlock the roulette. I think this is pretty fair, considering other roulettes have restrictions like this.

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If I understand this correctly, someone who unlocks Void Ark, is unable to ever use Alliance Raid Roulette, at all, until they complete Dun Scaith. Which will never happen because of #1 above where nobody will be running the 'higher level' alliance roulettes because the CT raids would be the superior option, meaning Wiping City and Dun Scaith queues would be hours long permanently.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

3) Standard Alliance Raid roulette to be locked to the minimum ilvl requirement of THE LEVEL YOU QUE WITH. If you que as lvl 80, you must meet the minimum requirement for Copied Factory or you can't participate in the roulette. Level 70? Minimum for Rabanastre. Level 60? Minimum for Void Ark. No more manipulation of the system. Period.

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Finally, something that should work.
This, in conjunction with the following:

Tome and EXP rewards for Alliance Raid roulette should scale with the tier of raid you end up in.
Similarly to how Praetorium award more than Castrum due to it taking on average 15 minutes longer.
For example, lets say hypothetically the CT raids award you with: 80 Poetics plus 80 Phantasmagoria, 40 Allegory OR 400,000 EXP*
Then the HW raids would award you with: 90 Poetics plus 90 Phantasmagoria, 40 Allegory OR 500,000 EXP*
Then the ST and ShB raids would give you: 100 Poetics plus 100 Phantasmagoria, 50 Allegory OR 600,000 EXP*
(grouping the last two tiers together because getting the current expac's raids will already award you with bonus Phantasmagoria and Allegory.)
*For your current level, e.g. level 7X

This way, whatever you get, you will be compensated for your time, similarly to MSQ roulette.
For EXP it's a significant difference that scales more or less in line with the time it takes
For Poetics/Phanta, it's just 10 tomes one way or the other, which can be made up with a quick trial run if you happen to get the lower level alliance raid, resulting in a similar reward for the time investment.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

It's not just that, because if you queue outside roulette for a specific raid that's not CT it's never gonna pop. Because of cheaters, lowering their ilvl, and the mass of people who, even if 80, never bothered unlocking anything but CT because it's just easier to get rewards like that.

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It sounds like one of those things that's worse on the American servers. Queuing for higher raids takes longer here compared to CT - I think I waited around 40 minutes for Orbonne when unlocking it in the very late days of pre-Shadowbringers - but I haven't had to wait hours for anything. CT is definitely still the most common raid, but if you're queuing when eligible for the higher raids then you're going to be getting them.

I've been avoiding the roulette for a while myself - focused on questing and playing an alt that's only Lv50 and deliberately not doing CT For Science*, but now that I've been back to running it on my Lv70+ characters this week I've gotten Labyrinth twice but also Weeping City, Rabanastre and I also got Orbonne last week before the tome event started.

* partly I want to see if Omega still shows flashes of G'raha and Mide if you haven't run their quests, but mostly I want to see if there's any script changes when Nero shows up in Lv60 MSQ if you left him stranded in the World of Darkness by never running that third raid... Cid already has a varying line depending on completion or not, but I want to see if he has a more bewildered reaction inbetween.

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Originally Posted by SonjaRampage

You can't force players to do something, many just won't run the roulette at all and that's a shame. If you want to run the higher level raids just que for them. I get thrown into copied factory and lately the ivalice raids pretty often when I que up on a high level job, not as often as CT mind you but you will naturally have more players with access to only lower level raids so that is about right.

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Because then you can't get your reward for brain dead content? I'd rather people didn't run them in that case so the Alliance Roulette wasn't always LotA or Syrcus Tower. You've been Ivalice lately because the Mog tome event incentivized it. Prior to that, it often took upwards of an hour or more queue-ing for Ivalice individually.

At the very least, I wish the ilvl sync wasn't so dramatic. Maybe LotA would be decent then. But now it's literally "AFK: The Raid."

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

It's not just that, because if you queue outside roulette for a specific raid that's not CT it's never gonna pop. Because of cheaters, lowering their ilvl, and the mass of people who, even if 80, never bothered unlocking anything but CT because it's just easier to get rewards like that.

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Im gonna respond to this because it partially applies to me.

When I first did CT 6yrs ago, it left a good long impression on me. Weird as it sounds, every time I go in there, I get all tingly, especially in Syrcus.

I unlocked Void Ark and I was disappointed - that one felt like they just threw it together, basically just making it for the sake of giving HW a raid. I didnt bother unlocking the other raids raids after that, besides all I hear people around here say is that they are just wipe fests.

The Copied Factory - that was new and different and I enjoy running it, and looking forward to rest.

I dont care about time vs. effort, I care that I enjoy doing them. I don't ilvl cheese either. Im sorry(seriously) that when I queue up for alliance roulette, there's only gonna be 4 raids you'll end up in, but the chance of CT is higher with the cheesers. If its any consulation I got CF 3 times last week, one yesterday and I once got it for 5 days. DF still does what it wants, so there's that.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

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Actually I would like the choice to NOT do Crystal Tower ever again if possible. This is not about rewards. I specified the exp chunk so it would be worth it to those that are leveling because lets be honest, thats what people mostly use MSQ roulette for. They could even keep the tomes. Or make it less, whatever. The point is to take CT off the table because so many people cheese it for rewards and everyone else has to deal. Also, when you unlock raids you still have to que for them separately if you want to unlock the other. It was a pain in the ass always, and worse now for sure but if you dont want to wait for DF to full theres PF and doing them unsync.

I prefer getting the higher raids. I\\'ve been playing since HW and the CT raids are about 87-90 of content when doing Alliance. I just want the other duties to have a chance. Or they can do like neverwinter and make it so you can get any raid based on level and ilvl without unlocks. Something. Let all raids have an equal chance or we may as well just call it Crystal Tower Raid Roulette and call it a day.

I like joining Alliance Roulette and getting LotA or ST, because as a max level I am only there for tomestones, and the faster the run, the better.

I still see the occasional MPK because of people who have never seen the Comet mechanic on King B, or on Ancient Flare. I even saw a wipe on the five-headed dragon in WoD last week.

Whatever solution is imposed, I’ll go wherever I can get the most of a current tomestone, for the least work.