We need an ilvl/gear requirement for leveling dungeons

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Originally Posted by Alleo

So on one hand you say that you dont have enough gil to simply buy vendor stuff and at the same time have enough for savage consumables, crafted gear and glamour..that does not make much sense to me. It just feels like you simply dont want to spend that gil there. (Glamour gear alone often costs much much more than a whole set of vendor gear)

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Most weeks it's just consumables. I buy, like, maybe one cheapish glam piece a month. I only get craft gear at a new tier, made by static member so I only need mats, and even then I have to save weeks beforehand.

So, in this case, it was buy food and pots for raid this week with my bank of 300000 gil, or buy some ugly, crappy white gear which will be irrelevant after one leveling dungeon. Not a hard choice.

As to the rest, I am part of min ilvl LS's; however, usually only endgame instances or dungeons with strong nostalgia value (Vault) fill.

But that's irrelevant - I've already admitted that I was selfish here. I enjoyed the challenge, but my motive was primarily faster gearing. However, I still find my choice justified. In a world of healers who won't DPS and DPS who don't know what a rotation is, I figured that my undergeared is still better than incompetence. It saved me a LOT of time, seeing as days later I still wouldn't have had the poetics for full 270, while making the Siren runs a handful of minutes slower.

It's not something I do all the time. I did make sure to get full 260+ on DRK awhile back because I'm NOT a good tank and I have paranoia when relying on unfamiliar healers.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I mean for me personally it isn't a big issue, I just craft myself a set and be done with it, but looking at the summed price I was pretty shocked at how obscene the price gets for an average player, especially for the longevity, so you may as well just incorporate better gear into the class quests and save the whole ordeal of needing to buy it, or do several days of roulette; making people feel as though they're locked out or gated from it. Feels better to me if they just remove it from the scenario, and add it integral to the class quests. Or both.

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The longevity is the main problem for many players. You simply level far to fast to worry about gearing up. 277k for a set of gear you might use twice... isn't any wonder people just dont bother...

If your level 73 say are you gonna blow a ton of gil on gear that might get used once in all your daily roulettes. Because for every other roulette that that low end gear a 100 levels lower is going to be fine.. and by the time you've done all those roulette your going be pretty dam close to 75. So another ton of gil...

It's the same at all levels of play. It's why you still see so many players at endgame without any materia slotted at all because theres literally no point investing in it when your just gonna throw that gear away next week..

It's been the same for ever basically. In heavens ward it's why people went from 50-60 in full ironworks. It was good enough and you levelled so quick wasnt worth investing in better gear that youd maybe use once...

Storm blood the same.. 60 to 70 in full augmented shore i270 never needed to upgrade because again you levelled so fast it just wasnt worth investing in gear you might use once...

Same now. And itll be the same again in 6.0. Theres just no longevity in anything and thus it's just not worth it.

Even the guaranteed drops in levelling roulette dont help because chances are your in a dungeon way lower than you anyway. I sort of think they should make the guaranteed drop level appropriate so if your 76 and the roulette has put you in the very. Have it throw a piece of 76 gear upon completion instead of some 53 junk.

But with the games longevity actually investing in gear just isn't worth it. If you keep up on time stones for example then even when patch 5.2 lands and the new eden teir comes out you wont need to invest in gear because what you have will already be 20 or so levels higher than the content and that's before the patch even goes live....

I agree with OP. There needs to be a min iLVL. To be honest I'm not clear what other issues this might bring up? If the fear is that new players won't have gear so can't progress? Then give more gear out in dungeons so they have it. Sell it cheaply in town.

Or better yet don't cap the iLvL in these dungeons so aggressively so high level players can carry the under geared ones.

I'm thinking getting booted from a group for being completely under geared is a worse experience than not being able to enter the dungeon.

I have always found it ridiculous that leveling dungeons are way more fraught with peril than expert dungeons. This is purely because of iLvL syncing and no min iLvl.

Just sad they have let it go on this long..

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Originally Posted by ElroyDrundan

I agree with OP. There needs to be a min iLVL. To be honest I'm not clear what other issues this might bring up? If the fear is that new players won't have gear so can't progress? Then give more gear out in dungeons so they have it. Sell it cheaply in town.

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Problem isn't 'new players' for the most part, it's players running old instances to level up other class/jobs. Those who know that they will out-level any gear they got yesterday by early evening. Players who can't spend 100-300K gil every two levels to be 'up-to-date'. Players who don't run dailies because < reasons > to accumulate Tomes of Poetics, or for whom Poetics can't actually get you relevant gear once you hit level 72.

If you all really want the issue addressed, getting rid of ilevel gear entirely in MSQ dungeons by assigning the exact same appropriate stats to every tank/healer/DPS in a dungeon instance (appropriate to the level of the dungeon instance) would work?

Of course, speed runs by vastly overgeared players complaining about ilevels in dungeon instances would be a thing of the past.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Problem isn't 'new players' for the most part, it's players running old instances to level up other class/jobs. Those who know that they will out-level any gear they got yesterday by early evening.

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Exactly. Especially if you're leveling entirely through roulettes. What's the incentive to buy a set of set of level 74 gear when it may very well be outdated before you even see a level 70+ dungeon?

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Problem isn't 'new players' for the most part, it's players running old instances to level up other class/jobs. Those who know that they will out-level any gear they got yesterday by early evening. Players who can't spend 100-300K gil every two levels to be 'up-to-date'. Players who don't run dailies because < reasons > to accumulate Tomes of Poetics, or for whom Poetics can't actually get you relevant gear once you hit level 72.

If you all really want the issue addressed, getting rid of ilevel gear entirely in MSQ dungeons by assigning the exact same appropriate stats to every tank/healer/DPS in a dungeon instance (appropriate to the level of the dungeon instance) would work?

Of course, speed runs by vastly overgeared players complaining about ilevels in dungeon instances would be a thing of the past.

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Except you don't have to be "up to date". Simply having a full set of the previous expansion's highest tier of gear (which is not difficult to acquire if you are at the point of levelling alt classes, the game practically throws poetics at you at every turn) will do you perfectly fine until you hit the level cap of the current expansion you're in. Especially if (as is often the excuse given) you only level via roulettes and don't usually get put into 71+ dungeons. Even a 71 white set will serve you decently enough for quite a while. People aren't complaining about that.

Don't come into Holminster Switch with unupgraded shire gear or (heaven forbid) ironworks gear and waste the time of everybody else there who bothered where you didn't.

Frankly, it's a failure of how levelling roulette works combined with the lack of ilevel restrictions. Levelling roulette should favour dungeons within a certain range of the lowest level party member (which would mean they'd at least get some moderately appropriate gear). A group full of level 71+ shouldn't be put into *anything* lower than Stormblood's dungeons. If you don't have the ilevel to enter Ghimlyt Dark (i360, very easily attainable), it stands to reason that you shouldn't be able to enter Holminster Switch (which drops i390).

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Problem isn't 'new players' for the most part, it's players running old instances to level up other class/jobs. Those who know that they will out-level any gear they got yesterday by early evening. Players who can't spend 100-300K gil every two levels to be 'up-to-date'. Players who don't run dailies because < reasons > to accumulate Tomes of Poetics, or for whom Poetics can't actually get you relevant gear once you hit level 72.

If you all really want the issue addressed, getting rid of ilevel gear entirely in MSQ dungeons by assigning the exact same appropriate stats to every tank/healer/DPS in a dungeon instance (appropriate to the level of the dungeon instance) would work?

Of course, speed runs by vastly overgeared players complaining about ilevels in dungeon instances would be a thing of the past.

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Or you know, require folks to have the proper gear, if the problem is as you suggest players leveling alts, then they know how to aquire the gear. Or as I suggested relax the iLvl sync so those who have gear can carry those who do not. Or also as I suggested have dungeons just crap out gear so folks can run a dungeon and gear up 1/2 their slots... I'm not sympathetic to those that know better and jump in with crap gear. I am sympathetic to new players but my suggestions would solve the issues.

The reason folks enter the leveling dungeons woefully under geared is because they can.

So we got a scaling earring. People complain that people don't do the training ground thing(can't really remember the name). It gives gear, why couldn't it be scaling like that earring. You get people to do the practice stuff you want. With trust type system you could specific design encounters for players to get. Maybe increasing skill or at least the hope. Putting gear that is good for a long time. Could be healer, tank, dps, ranged dps, and caster. Allowing them to each work on mechanics they are likely to see.



Now I know what you are saying, "Oh no the crafters". The game has way to many items when do we start hearing excuses from the devs about that. Delete a large portion of items from 1-50. Give crafters a few glamor crafts, remove some of the sets from dungeons. Dungeon sets don't generally last long enough to be worth farming for stats. So anyone farming a whole set is probably about the look. Making them more likely to pay, then run Brayflox for the tenth time to get the last piece of that set.

The solution is so easy. And no its not minimum ilvl. Its a little bit of awareness. To make people see that it takes maybe only a few days of even only running 1 msq roulette dungeon per day to get the poetics for i260/i270 gear as soon as you complete the past 3.0 quest, and i390/i400 gear once you complete the last 4.0 quest. And with secondary jobs, you can do some pre planning too to get the poetics gear well before you get to lv. 60 or 70. And so on you can pre plan a little too for the i120/i130 phase at lv. 50 though this may be a little trickier if its your 1st class to 50. Stop rushing, start thinking.

Keywords: pre-planning and poetics.

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Originally Posted by Ifrinne

The solution is so easy. And no its not minimum ilvl. Its a little bit of awareness. To make people see that it takes maybe only a few days of even only running 1 msq roulette dungeon per day to get the poetics for i260/i270 gear as soon as you complete the past 3.0 quest, and i390/i400 gear once you complete the last 4.0 quest. And with secondary jobs, you can do some pre planning too to get the poetics gear well before you get to lv. 60 or 70. And so on you can pre plan a little too for the i120/i130 phase at lv. 50 though this may be a little trickier if its your 1st class to 50. Stop rushing, start thinking.

Keywords: pre-planning and poetics.

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Preventing players from joining an instance they are woefully undergeared for is a solution. Telling them to spend poetics on gear while not restricting their access is not. It's not a case of people *not knowing*. It's largely a case of *not caring*. Because the system does not give them a reason to care (they are not restricted from queuing for wearing a full set of their racial gear and their starting weapon). The game as a whole does not make them care (gear checks are laughably nonexistent in the majority of content and the game never tells them that their gear is inadequate for their current level). The community is...reluctant to hold these players accountable to make them care.

Hence why the response to "Dude you are really undergeared for this place, you should go and upgrade with poetics at <location> or buy some white stuff from the mb or <location>" is met with "It's just a levelling dungeon who cares"/"It's just levelling roulette"/"You don't pay my sub"/etc. It never matters how much you mince words. How "kindly" you phrase it. Very few of them care. So you have to *make* them care.

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Originally Posted by Ifrinne

The solution is so easy. And no its not minimum ilvl. Its a little bit of awareness. To make people see that it takes maybe only a few days of even only running 1 msq roulette dungeon per day to get the poetics for i260/i270 gear as soon as you complete the past 3.0 quest, and i390/i400 gear once you complete the last 4.0 quest. And with secondary jobs, you can do some pre planning too to get the poetics gear well before you get to lv. 60 or 70. And so on you can pre plan a little too for the i120/i130 phase at lv. 50 though this may be a little trickier if its your 1st class to 50. Stop rushing, start thinking.

Keywords: pre-planning and poetics.

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That's not a solution though. If anything it only emphasizes the problem of longevity.

If your level 70 and run MSQ roulette once a day for "maybe a few days" then by the time you got the tomes for that full set of level 70 gear you'll have most likely also gotten enough experience to push you right up to 75-76 and thus no longer worth getting that gear. you'll be 80 in a few more msqs anyway..

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Originally Posted by Dzian

That's not a solution though if anything it only emphasises the problem of longevity.

If your level 70 and run msq roulette once a day for "maybe a few days" then by the time you got the times for that set of level 70 gear you'll have most likely gotten enough experience to push you right upto 75-76 and thus no longer worth getting that gear

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Scaevan gear is good enough for all dungeons from levels 71 to 79 (ie expert dungeon minimum ilevel is 410? everything else would be lower). It's not optimal but it's perfectly acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

That's not a solution though. If anything it only emphasizes the problem of longevity.

If your level 70 and run MSQ roulette once a day for "maybe a few days" then by the time you got the tomes for that full set of level 70 gear you'll have most likely also gotten enough experience to push you right up to 75-76 and thus no longer worth getting that gear. you'll be 80 in a few more msqs anyway..

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That would be going by the assumption that they're lv 70 ready to go into ShB with low ilv gear. But it should be a person hitting lv 70 and then while going trough 4.1 to 4.5 they would get the tomestones for the Scaeven gear naturally from then lv 70 dungeons and maybe some Roulettes.

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Originally Posted by Kisshu

That would be going by the assumption that they're lv 70 ready to go into ShB with low ilv gear. But it should be a person hitting lv 70 and then while going trough 4.1 to 4.5 they would get the tomestones for the Scaeven gear naturally from then lv 70 dungeons and maybe some Roulettes.

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Perhaps but it still comes down to longevity. as the earlier poster said just doing msq roulettes "for a few days" would get them that gear.. but at 45+ minutes a time for i dunno 5 maybe 6 days. thats 4.5 hours of msq roulettes for a set of gear that you might get an hours actual use out of in your other daily roulettes if you got lucky and got 2-3 level appropriate dungeons taking 20 mins each on average... the rest of those roulettes whatever you have is pretty much going to be fine..

the gear just isnt worth getting if it takes 3 times as much time to get it as it will potentially be good for.. this isn't a new problem either the same has been true in HW and SB.

One solution would be to not nerv exp all the time. If we'd take just as long to level as everyone did and the gear would have its use... ik they need rewards for ppl moving there but the heck i saw players from twintani gettin 3 levelups in one dungeon... or met ppl on like 75 that still are mid HW.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

That's not a solution though. If anything it only emphasizes the problem of longevity.

If your level 70 and run MSQ roulette once a day for "maybe a few days" then by the time you got the tomes for that full set of level 70 gear you'll have most likely also gotten enough experience to push you right up to 75-76 and thus no longer worth getting that gear. you'll be 80 in a few more msqs anyway..

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Correct but that means you started late. What holds one back from doing that MSQ run everyday from the moment you have 1 class above 50. Then you might have the gear even before Lv. 60 or 70. Its like... 30-50mins of idling about to eventually get very good gear for free. Which can be used again if you level another class in the same category.

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Originally Posted by Ifrinne

Correct but that means you started late. What holds one back from doing that MSQ run everyday from the moment you have 1 class above 50. Then you might have the gear even before Lv. 60 or 70. Its like... 30-50mins of idling about to eventually get very good gear for free. Which can be used again if you level another class in the same category.

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I'd argue the time frame.. the msq roulette can easily take an hour of your day if you count queue times. and I think many people have a very long list of things they'd rather spend that hour doing. i.e progressing in the story if they're literally just dinging 50 and wanting to get caught up.

spend that hour doing something productive like progress the story. or spend it grinding for gear you might never actually make any real use of..

not a tough decision really.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

I want to point out, at least IMO, problems with the minimum Ilvl requirement.

- NQ vs HQ. For example, during the whole ShB augmented scaevan gear is much better than any NQ piece.

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- The importance of the left side over the right side. A tank still using 270 left side but with up to date right side is not fun to play/heal past Bardam's Mettle.

- Inconsistences with the gear scaling. NQ Birch Longbow lag behind 4 damage points compared to augmented ironwork (53 vs 57). In this case, you are better off keeping augmented ironwork, yet the rest of the left side pieces are, in general, better. Something similar happens with augmented shire vs NQ zelkova longbow (84 vs 81).

- HQ gear from the markerboard can be quite expensive. With the current levelling speed is hard to justify.

Anyway, don't get me wrong, the current problem should be fixed and I encourage people to kick any player that is unreasonable undergeared for the content at hand. If you ask me the only expansion that the full augmented set won't last till the end is SB. Once you hit 66 all your left side should be up to date, even then you can keep right side and weapon. Is the expansion with the bigger stat jump, in contrast, HW can be clear with any major problem as long as the tank pulls at a reasonable pace.

Edit: don't be lazy and acquire all the augmented ironworks, shire and scavean. There is zero justification for not having it, in special scavean.

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You have my favorite post in this thread so far.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

I'd argue the time frame.. the msq roulette can easily take an hour of your day if you count queue times. and I think many people have a very long list of things they'd rather spend that hour doing. i.e progressing in the story if they're literally just dinging 50 and wanting to get caught up.

spend that hour doing something productive like progress the story. or spend it grinding for gear you might never actually make any real use of..

not a tough decision really.

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Well, lock them out then. You can't have the cake and eat it. So either you gear up your 2nd job, OR you progress through MSQ. When you only have 1 hour to play, there's your decision to make. Don't start an alt job if you don't have the time to gear it up.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

I'd argue the time frame.. the msq roulette can easily take an hour of your day if you count queue times. and I think many people have a very long list of things they'd rather spend that hour doing. i.e progressing in the story if they're literally just dinging 50 and wanting to get caught up.

spend that hour doing something productive like progress the story. or spend it grinding for gear you might never actually make any real use of..

not a tough decision really.

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I started playing when Shadowbringers launched and finished Post Stormblood yesterday. /playtime is 18 days 14 hours.
I leveled 3 jobs to 70+ and currently working on a fourth from time to time. I did MSQ runs for exp/poetics, did a lot of sidequests, did optional dungeons and the like. Recently finished Omega raid.
Augmented Poetics gear can last you quite a bit of time into the next expansion. Imo, FF XIV is not a game to be rushed to the next level since there's so much stuff to do.
If you feel obligated to get to the Endgame asap then by all means do it. MSQ practically spoonfeeds you HQ gear for one physical/caster class anyway. You're likely to get at least something from the dungeons on the way.

need ilevel and a way for it to check your gear

too many GNB with no accs in some duties
it'll just be worse with healers with no accessories in lvl 70 duties in 6.0

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Originally Posted by RoyalBeef

Well, lock them out then. You can't have the cake and eat it. So either you gear up your 2nd job, OR you progress through MSQ. When you only have 1 hour to play, there's your decision to make. Don't start an alt job if you don't have the time to gear it up.

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you're missing the crucial point. and that is you just don't need to. you can be level 77 in varying ilevels of level 70 gear and it really doesn't matter. because of all the roulettes you're going to do there's 1 that maybe just maybe might make some use of any better gear you could have gotten.

that is the issue. gear has no longevity it's the same at all levels of the game not just people levelling. it's why so many people still completely ignore materia and don't bother melding anything. itll just be replaced next week so waste of time. just sell any materia i got so i can go and buy some shiny glamour piece.

people will literally spend millions on glamours. but won't even toss 50k into something they know full well is just going to be thrown away... and that same thing goes for people levelling.

you can easily run castrum abania level 69 in full augmented shire gear. it might take a few minutes longer but it hands down is going to be a better option than spending a fortune on gear you'll never actually use because the roulettes never put you in content high enough..

if you want people to care about gear. make gear thats worth caring about...

but when everything that isnt glamour is throw away junk you can't blame players for not bothering. would you go out of your way to pick up trash....

I said earlier they could simply change the levelling roulette rewards. just make that guaranteed drop you get at the end of a levelling dungeon appropritate to your current level and not appropriate to the dungeons level.

this way a level 77 player that ends up in dusk vigil for example isn't going to get a piece of i255 (or there abouts) gear thats absolutely useless. instead he'd get some i385 (or whatever the 76-77 gear is) thats actually appropriate for his current level

if this happened then on that slim chance the players roulette put him in an appropriate level dungeon he'd at least be reasonably attired

it doesnt need to be a intense ilevel requirement
if anything it should be the last MSQ dungeons ilevel requirement

augmented Shire is fine for SB dungeons
but ala mhigo gear is not for Holm switch

Did leveled a number of alt jobs to 80 and were always fine with poetics gear on all 50/60/70 tiers.

Only issue I can notice, you cannot gear everything when you just hit 50 because the full augmented set is about 4000 poetics, so you spend your poetics for the most important gear first (weapon, body, legs) and setup the missing things while on the road to 60. Same for 60>70, while for 70>80 you start feel the pressure for better gear at 74+ but manageable, only issue is people that uses DF expecting always speedruns, but here the problem is not your gear or the duty finder.

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Originally Posted by Ifrinne

The solution is so easy. And no its not minimum ilvl. Its a little bit of awareness. To make people see that it takes maybe only a few days of even only running 1 msq roulette dungeon per day to get the poetics for i260/i270 gear as soon as you complete the past 3.0 quest, and i390/i400 gear once you complete the last 4.0 quest. And with secondary jobs, you can do some pre planning too to get the poetics gear well before you get to lv. 60 or 70. And so on you can pre plan a little too for the i120/i130 phase at lv. 50 though this may be a little trickier if its your 1st class to 50. Stop rushing, start thinking.

Keywords: pre-planning and poetics.

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Your suggestion has a major problem:

It involves queuing into MSQ roulette.

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Originally Posted by Gaethan_Tessula

Your suggestion has a major problem:

It involves queuing into MSQ roulette.

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What problem? Just pull out a Switch or some other device if you get Prae during the CSs or get some chores done during the CSs and enjoy the massive exp/poetics. People make a big deal about the silliest of things.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

What problem? Just pull out a Switch or some other device if you get Prae during the CSs or get some chores done during the CSs and enjoy the massive exp/poetics. People make a big deal about the silliest of things.

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If I wanted to watch youtube or play another game, I wouldn't be logging into FF14.

When the content is so bad that I'd be watching TV instead of paying attention, then I'm not going to do it.

It's hardly "silly" to expect that a game actually be engaging.

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Originally Posted by Gaethan_Tessula

If I wanted to watch youtube or play another game, I wouldn't be logging into FF14.

When the content is so bad that I'd be watching TV instead of paying attention, then I'm not going to do it.

It's hardly "silly" to expect that a game actually be engaging.

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It’s silly because people are given an easy opportunity to improve their gear yet refuse and instead brag about how awesome they are that they don’t need better gear and then brag about knowingly wasting people’s time by undergearing in order to make themselves feel more validated. You won’t waste your time running an easy roulette but you sure don’t mind wasting other people's Time by intentionally undergearing.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

It’s silly because people are given an easy opportunity to improve their gear yet refuse and instead brag about how awesome they are that they don’t need better gear and then brag about knowingly wasting people’s time by undergearing in order to make themselves feel more validated. You won’t waste your time running an easy roulette but you sure don’t mind wasting other people's Time by intentionally undergearing.

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If I could level entirely by doing min ilvl EX or Savage runs, banking experience for alt-jobs, then I would. You'd never see me in any roulettes. Hell, that stuff even gives tomes for gear. But I can't, gotta run the same rat race in the kiddie pool for every job.

But hey, villianize me for undergearing, and still doing better than the average df healer I see, ONCE, because I thought it'd be more fun than running what amount to chores. Now that I am geared, you can rest assured I give every party the full "spam Art of War while occasionally Excog'ing or Lustrate'ing the tank" experience.

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Originally Posted by Gaethan_Tessula

If I could level entirely by doing min ilvl EX or Savage runs, banking experience for alt-jobs, then I would. You'd never see me in any roulettes. Hell, that stuff even gives tomes for gear. But I can't, gotta run the same rat race in the kiddie pool for every job.

But hey, villianize me for undergearing, and still doing better than the average df healer I see, ONCE, because I thought it'd be more fun than running what amount to chores. Now that I am geared, you can rest assured I give every party the full "spam Art of War while occasionally Excog'ing or Lustrate'ing the tank" experience.

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If you only did it once why are you defending it here tooth and nail? Do you not have other things you can be doing? Me and some other folks are posting on this thread because we’ve literally seen people missing gear slots in higher level duties. I will no longer be responding to you because this is pointless.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

If you only did it once why are you defending it here tooth and nail? Do you not have other things you can be doing? Me and some other folks are posting on this thread because we’ve literally seen people missing gear slots in higher level duties. I will no longer be responding to you because this is pointless.

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I've never defended not having an ilvl requirement. I've only defended myself, and that particular experience, because

1) I have my pride.

2) It shows that the minimum does not need to be particularly high for most leveling dungeons.

3) It shows just how overgeared players are in leveling content, which trivializes things, enabling and rewarding lazy play. Whether that is low gear or low effort. The excessive ease of the content, and the culture that fosters, is just as harmful as the lack of minimum requirements. Many early leveling dungeons near outright encourage ignoring mechanics. Just ensuring people out gear the content will not solve the problem, and may in fact make it worse.

And by all means, ignore me. Given near your every response has involved attacking my character, I vastly prefer your indifference.

I did a test and wore my starting level 1 gear and got put in a sbh dungeon in duty finder. That should never happen. Did another wearing crafting gear and same thing happened.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I did a test and wore my starting level 1 gear and got put in a sbh dungeon in duty finder. That should never happen. Did another wearing crafting gear and same thing happened.

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The 71-79 dungeons have no IL limitations, so you can go into them wearing entirely lvl 1 emperor's gear the whole way through. I think Amarout and the two extra dungeons have restrictions.

The fact is they make it like that most likely to allow people to not be roadblocked in the story, but that is also causing massive frustration with people being called out for it and using the argument "Then why did it let me in here?"

It's a really big problem that I think everyone is seeing more since the expac launched. I'm really seeing it often with the 290 AF gear though and people assuming it's fine since they can q in.

Then to fix it they need to have the gear scale bottom up to the dungeon as well as top down. Another solution would be to put you into ques that are relative to your ilvl. Those are two solutions, however I do believe that this would alienate the new players looking for specific ques. Which would make it very difficult to get people into the game. I myself want my little brother to try it out,but he may not even like it at this point xD.

Simple solution: i110 minimum for all HW leveling dungeons. i250 minimum for all SB leveling dungeons. i380 minimum for all ShB leveling dungeons. The game remembers the highest item level your job has equipped at any point, and if the difference between that value and what you currently have on when queueing for leveling roulette is too big, you get Aurum Vale with a sprout for your leveling roulette.

What do all of those numbers have in common? They're exactly 20 points below the previous expansion's best-in-slot ilevel, and 5 points below the vendor gear you can buy for gil at the start of the corresponding expansion. Brand new players progressing through MSQ get handed gear that's more than sufficient to meet these benchmarks prior to needing to get into the first dungeon of any given expansion. Players on alt jobs can meet these benchmarks with unupgraded poetics gear. This won't gate any new player with half a brain out of MSQ progression. It'll just stop people from getting into Vault runs with i90 left side and i45 accessories and ruining the experience of everyone else involved.

I just saw another undergeared Dancer as I loaded in and checked her gear in Castrum Abania (she had 19K HP). Her left side is all i255 with an i260 belt. Her accessories were real bad. One weathered earring (i1), Hero's Necklace of Fending (i90), Dawn Ringbands (i18), Halonic ring of aiming (i142), and Brand New Ring (i30). I asked her if she had any better accessories. She did not respond. I kindly responded that I would take the penalty at the beginning of the dungeon.

Seriously, item level requirements should be reasonably placed so that it's not too high for people to enter, but not to the point where people are undergeared by a long mile.

Today saw low ilvl in level 75 dungeon. The player had 35k less hp than the healer did and was I think in the level 70 ilvl 300 gear for the first level 70 dungeons. This needs to be fix and not keep happening. Because of it we kept on wiping since healer had to keep raising them on almost every group mobs pulled and on the boss fights.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I did a test and wore my starting level 1 gear and got put in a sbh dungeon in duty finder. That should never happen. Did another wearing crafting gear and same thing happened.

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The flip side of this is that if they add it, people will exploit the system the way they are with Alliance roulette, and we'll get Sashtasha 90% of the time because it's faster than doing the newer content.

They need to fix that problem before looking at this.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

The flip side of this is that if they add it, people will exploit the system the way they are with Alliance roulette, and we'll get Sashtasha 90% of the time because it's faster than doing the newer content.

They need to fix that problem before looking at this.

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I highly doubt that.
People dump their ilvl for Alli Raid because getting the 70s raids is bound to be a wipefest easily taking up 1-2 hours while the CT raids are fast and easy, even WoD is usually reasonably smooth. But with dungeons most people get annoyed with the low level dungeons because they'd rather spent 20min a dungeon with more skills available than 15min pushing one button over and over. I have yet to see anyone typing "oh neat! sastasha! it's so quick" but I've seen plenty of "oh great, snooztasha" the moment someone zoned in.
When I zoned into higher lvl dungeons in roulette I often read something like "oh nice, haven't seen this one in a while". People were generally happy with higher level dungeons but annoyed with lower level dungeons.

But that aside, there is an easy way to fix both roulettes in one go: duties, including all leveling dungeons and trials, get a min ilvl requirement and when queueing for roulettes you need to fulfill that requirement for the highest duty available for that job.

As you all know, the game have a function of "suggested gear".

My insane idea on how to deal with the issue:
1) The "suggested gear" feature looks everywhere (retainers and saddlebag too) for its suggestions;
2) When you queue, it is taken account the ilevel of suggested gear.
3) Problem solved. If you get an i15 into an expert, kicking him is perfectly legit.