A mentor kicked my dog!

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Originally Posted by Penthea

The NN on Moogle gives a seriously bad and incredibly inaccurate image of the server.

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Sorry but the vast majority of Moogle players give poor image of the server. Not just the NN on there.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

Sorry but the vast majority of Moogle players give poor image of the server. Not just the NN on there.

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What would you expect? It's filled with nuts in there!

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

Sorry but the vast majority of Moogle players give poor image of the server. Not just the NN on there.

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If our server is that bad then I guess the rest of the game is a paradise.

Not very much of interest happens there that you wouldn't find elsewhere. And yes I do play on more than one server. I play on three.

On paper a mentor's job is to help sprouts by giving them information and advice.

But that is not how all mentors treat the job.

Some do it for the crown and exclusive cool kids chat room.

There are good mentors and bad mentors.

The bad mentors will always stand out more than the good ones.

But there are plenty of good mentors out there that do their job.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

ppl proplem aren't the mentors lol its themself.

ur expecting them 2 be an angel and perfect social ppl. you realize how thats impossible.

I'm not a mentor but i have explained fights only 2 be ignored. ive only vked afkers or a few jerks or ppl who go say watch YouTube.

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my time is worth more than people being lazy, if they are gonna come into a dungeon for old content and expect that no matter who they are paired up with they have to nicely tell them what they are suppose to do when its a roulette duty that i do everyday, i will tell them to watch youtube, its fast, it has visual guide, it doesnt consume other peoples time, and it wont kill you or destroy your pride. yes, it is easier to have someone explain to you what to do on the spot, but it doesnt go through everything because people forget something or another and they will have to end up playing to understand the mechanics fully, so whats the point dude? i did that throughout all ARR and HW, why cant others do it too?
respect other people time, they are not there to baby sit you unless they put themselfs in that spot, supposedly by turning into a mentor

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Originally Posted by TalosEscher

my time is worth more than people being lazy, if they are gonna come into a dungeon for old content and expect that no matter who they are paired up with they have to nicely tell them what they are suppose to do when its a roulette duty that i do everyday, i will tell them to watch youtube, its fast, it has visual guide, it doesnt consume other peoples time, and it wont kill you or destroy your pride. yes, it is easier to have someone explain to you what to do on the spot, but it doesnt go through everything because people forget something or another and they will have to end up playing to understand the mechanics fully, so whats the point dude? i did that throughout all ARR and HW, why cant others do it too?
respect other people time, they are not there to baby sit you unless they put themselfs in that spot, supposedly by turning into a mentor

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visual guides don't help people I think people like you need to re read all the ways ppl learn lol honestly watching youtube makes me worse in a fight than not watching it lol and learning hands on. if you want perfect teams use coman sense and create 1 in party finder

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Originally Posted by TalosEscher

my time is worth more than people being lazy, if they are gonna come into a dungeon for old content and expect that no matter who they are paired up with they have to nicely tell them what they are suppose to do when its a roulette duty that i do everyday, i will tell them to watch youtube, its fast, it has visual guide, it doesnt consume other peoples time, and it wont kill you or destroy your pride. yes, it is easier to have someone explain to you what to do on the spot, but it doesnt go through everything because people forget something or another and they will have to end up playing to understand the mechanics fully, so whats the point dude? i did that throughout all ARR and HW, why cant others do it too?
respect other people time, they are not there to baby sit you unless they put themselfs in that spot, supposedly by turning into a mentor

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I only expect people to watch guides for extreme primals or savage raids. Everything else, eh.. wing it. Most dungeon mechanics are straightforward enough and can be learned by a decent player pretty quickly.

That being said, if someone ASKS straight out for a mechanic to be explained, telling them to go to Youtube is just rude as hell and, in fact, takes longer than just belting out a one sentence explanation of what they need to do.

Decent example of this: the other day I got Ghymlit Dark (no, I can't spell that, no one can) on expert and got a new healer. No problem, we go through the dungeon he figures things out quickly enough. Get to the last boss, blue guy does the bomb drops and well... everyone falls the first time.

While I was running back after the wipe I just quickly typed out "look at the pattern of bombs, stand where there are not bombs, then you just dance a little to avoid explosions"

Simple as that, we crushed the fight. One sentence, it didn't even consume any of the dungeon time since we were running back anyway.

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Originally Posted by TalosEscher

my time is worth more than people being lazy, if they are gonna come into a dungeon for old content and expect that no matter who they are paired up with they have to nicely tell them what they are suppose to do when its a roulette duty that i do everyday, i will tell them to watch youtube, its fast, it has visual guide, it doesnt consume other peoples time, and it wont kill you or destroy your pride.

i did that throughout all ARR and HW, why cant others do it too?
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I would never expect someone to look up a guide for a dungeon or normal mode trial. That's honestly unreasonable to ask for in msq level content. Most things can be picked up pretty quickly anyway so aside from a handful of instances at most you'd wipe once. Big deal :rolleyes: If a player is very bad at the game chances are a youtube video won't help. If you can't handle the fact that players need to learn content as they unlock it then stop playing with pugs.

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Originally Posted by TalosEscher

i did that throughout all ARR and HW, why cant others do it too?

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Because they are not you.

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i will tell them to watch youtube, its fast, it has visual guide, it doesnt consume other peoples time

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Not all people are okay with video guides. Not all people are okay with any guides at all. I personally can watch/read it 1000000 times and understand absolute zero, but will learn fast when start actuall practice. And there are plenty of people like this, who prefer learn by practice. You can say "then play with FC/Friends", but not all have FC and friends, tones of people here play completely alone.

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my time is worth more than people being lazy

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I do understand this point, but you also should remember that your time is not worth more, than their. If you think it is, then I'm sorry, but then the one who should play with fixed party is you. You should respect others too, it's not one gate play.

Every time I use DF I'm ready that there probably will be somebody who play worse than rest of the party, or they need more time to adapt so I try to save at least 30 minutes for dungeon for not being have to rush. If suddenly I haven't time because need to do something right now then I apologize and leave. But whining that others should be faster? Because "my time is valuable"? It's broken selfish logic. Everyone's time is valuable, not only mine. And I did understand it pretty well when I was a mentor.

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Originally Posted by TalosEscher

my time is worth more than people being lazy, if they are gonna come into a dungeon for old content and expect that no matter who they are paired up with they have to nicely tell them what they are suppose to do when its a roulette duty that i do everyday, i will tell them to watch youtube, its fast, it has visual guide, it doesnt consume other peoples time, and it wont kill you or destroy your pride. yes, it is easier to have someone explain to you what to do on the spot, but it doesnt go through everything because people forget something or another and they will have to end up playing to understand the mechanics fully, so whats the point dude? i did that throughout all ARR and HW, why cant others do it too?
respect other people time, they are not there to baby sit you unless they put themselfs in that spot, supposedly by turning into a mentor

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You are missing one fundamental -

Not everybody learns things best in a certain manner

Some are Visual learners - they do well with videos and such
Some are audio learners - videos do help these people somewhat as stuff is being explained.
Still others are tactile/kinetic learners - they only learn by actually DOING
And others are read/write learners - they only learn by writing or reading about the subject. These are your note takers and guide readers.

I know you mean well by suggesting the videos - but you need to keep in mind not everybody is capable of benefiting from them. Tactile learners don't learn much from videos or guides, they have to learn by actually doing.

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Originally Posted by Keddera_StormMoon

I know you mean well by suggesting the videos - but you need to keep in mind not everybody is capable of benefiting from them. Tactile learners don't learn much from videos or guides, they have to learn by actually doing.

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Are you a teacher? Because all this right here.

And I didn't buy this game plus expansions to watch someone else play the game for me. Telling someone to watch a whole guide because they can't be bothered to actually communicate in an MMO beyond insults and belittlement not only wastes more time, but is indeed rude.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Are you a teacher? Because all this right here.

And I didn't buy this game plus expansions to watch someone else play the game for me. Telling someone to watch a whole guide because they can't be bothered to actually communicate in an MMO beyond insults and belittlement not only wastes more time, but is indeed rude.

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Not officially, no. But I like to teach and training people on the software I support is a large part of my job.

Learning about the various types of learning is just one of the things I've picked up over the years and I've found to be true.

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Originally Posted by Keddera_StormMoon

I know you mean well by suggesting the videos - but you need to keep in mind not everybody is capable of benefiting from them. Tactile learners don't learn much from videos or guides, they have to learn by actually doing.

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This is false.

You may not learn everything from a video, however, you can easily learn what happens at what time by watching a video. For example the boss rotation. If you are a healer you can easily learn the rotation of the boss by watching a video so you know exactly when to pop your strongest heals without missing a beat.

At the same time, if you are a tank, you can learn the correct time for a tank buster to pop your mitigation and avoid taking maximum damage. You don't need to be a genius to learn that, you just need to watch a video about the boss fight and have fairly basic brain functionality which I'm pretty sure everyone has.

I do this all the time. I regularly watch videos on Savage things for example so I know what the mechanics will be and I remember them and know what to do. The speed at which I react and do things increases as I go through the dungeon.

If I can do it, so can you, and person A, and B, and C, and everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

This is false.

You may not learn everything from a video, however, you can easily learn what happens at what time by watching a video. For example the boss rotation. If you are a healer you can easily learn the rotation of the boss by watching a video so you know exactly when to pop your strongest heals without missing a beat.

At the same time, if you are a tank, you can learn the correct time for a tank buster to pop your mitigation and avoid taking maximum damage. You don't need to be a genius to learn that, you just need to watch a video about the boss fight and have fairly basic brain functionality which I'm pretty sure everyone has.

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I'm sorry, but you are gravely mistaken.

At the most, they might know what's coming, but they will not retain it. Especially if they're a read/write or kinetic learner.

I know this for a fact as I'm primarily a Kinetic Learner. I retain very little from even MTQ's videos which are well-done.

And I can tell you I've never EVER learned a boss rotation from watching a video. Only ones I've gotten any handle on is from actually taking on the bosses myself and either tanking or healing through them several times.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

This is false.

You may not learn everything from a video, however, you can easily learn what happens at what time by watching a video. For example the boss rotation. If you are a healer you can easily learn the rotation of the boss by watching a video so you know exactly when to pop your strongest heals without missing a beat.

At the same time, if you are a tank, you can learn the correct time for a tank buster to pop your mitigation and avoid taking maximum damage. You don't need to be a genius to learn that, you just need to watch a video about the boss fight and have fairly basic brain functionality which I'm pretty sure everyone has.

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You're missing another fundamental. Fragmented processing and "information overload" (this was stuff I learned all about when trying to figure out how to work around my challenges surrounding autism, in order to be successful in relationships, career, etc). These guides (especially for ex primals) throw too much at me at once and I can't break it down (trust me, I've tried). Combined with me being a kinaesthetic learner, and I've had it before where I've watched a guide, and performed worse than if I'd just gone in blind. Admittedly, I'm an edge case here (and different trials expect different things which may influence it), but that has been my experience. It's why I have to make my own parties because everyone says "Watch a guide before joining", which in my experience has made me perform worse so it's pointless for me.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

I do this all the time. I regularly watch videos on Savage things for example so I know what the mechanics will be and I remember them and know what to do. The speed at which I react and do things increases as I go through the dungeon.

If I can do it, so can you, and person A, and B, and C, and everyone else.

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Oh trust me, I WISH I could do it, and be more neurotypical. But alas, I have to deal with autism which is quite a significant difference in the way my brain is wired. I've watched videos on Savage, and just gotten more confused than going into the duty and tackling them bit by bit blind. That's the thing, you're assuming that everyone can do it, and I'm afraid that isn't the case, unless you were suggesting that by "anyone with a decent brain can do it" you're saying that I don't have a decent brain (by the way, I have a degree in digital media and technology and as part of that I had to do some SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT which is challenging stuff). I can be successful in it, but given I'd have to watch the video practice it, get it down by practicing it, then watch the next bit to figure out the next bit, etc, due to my information overload issues (assuming that'd even work), I'd be wasting time still in your eyes and that I should have watched a video fully beforehand, when that doesn't help.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

This is false.

You may not learn everything from a video, however, you can easily learn what happens at what time by watching a video. For example the boss rotation. If you are a healer you can easily learn the rotation of the boss by watching a video so you know exactly when to pop your strongest heals without missing a beat.

At the same time, if you are a tank, you can learn the correct time for a tank buster to pop your mitigation and avoid taking maximum damage. You don't need to be a genius to learn that, you just need to watch a video about the boss fight and have fairly basic brain functionality which I'm pretty sure everyone has.

I do this all the time. I regularly watch videos on Savage things for example so I know what the mechanics will be and I remember them and know what to do. The speed at which I react and do things increases as I go through the dungeon.

If I can do it, so can you, and person A, and B, and C, and everyone else.

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No it's not false. I personally have zero efficiency with videos. Absolute. Zero. I learn only by practice. Maximum what can I do with guide - check Tankbuster skill title in some text info, that's all. Fun thing that after I had some practice or even clear, I can deal with videos then, because I know what's going on there since I felt it with my own experience (and even then I'm still bad with them).

And due to the fact I was able to achieve "red" diploma in University, I suppose that maybe I'm not genius, but I definitely not dumb and my brains are not "basic".

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Originally Posted by Halivel

No it's not false. I personally have zero efficiency with videos. Absolute. Zero. I learn only by practice. Maximum what can I do with guide - check Tankbuster skill title in some text info, that's all. Fun thing that after I had some practice or even clear, I can deal with videos then, because I know what's going on there since I felt it with my own experience (and even then I'm still bad with them).

And due to the fact I was able to achieve "red" diploma in University, I suppose that maybe I'm not genius, but I definitely not dumb and my brains are not "basic".

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I mean.... if all you retain from a video is a name... you sound a bit basic. You should atleast pick up on the flow of the encounter watching a guide and I mean a GOOD guide. Not the crap Mr.Happy dishes out day 1 that rambles on for 30 minutes for a 10 minute fight.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

I mean.... if all you retain from a video is a name... you sound a bit basic. You should atleast pick up on the flow of the encounter watching a guide and I mean a GOOD guide. Not the crap Mr.Happy dishes out day 1 that rambles on for 30 minutes for a 10 minute fight.

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MTQ considered as good guides maker and yet her movies are just chaotic frames set for me. I would have more benefits from clearing videos with PoV from the role I plan to go, which I do sometimes, but all those "video guides" are useless for me. If the fact that somebody does things in the other way and can't do them like you makes those people basic for you, then sorry, but I'm glad that we are on different DC and will never meet each other in dungeon. Because I know I play on not bad level, and if somebody going to think that I'm dumb or basic only because I can't use "useful guides" - I don't want to deal with them in any area.

Just in this page alone we see two examples of people who just can't grasp that people might be wired differently from them in the head when it comes to "how" people learn.

Perfectly human reaction I suppose - to just dismiss that which they can't understand. The mundane do often reject the strange rather than try to understand it.

But I suppose that's why we have good mentors who understand this and try to empathize and adjust - and those who have no business wearing the crown being flippant and parroting "just watch a video" nonsense.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

I mean.... if all you retain from a video is a name... you sound a bit basic. You should atleast pick up on the flow of the encounter watching a guide and I mean a GOOD guide. Not the crap Mr.Happy dishes out day 1 that rambles on for 30 minutes for a 10 minute fight.

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Many people in this world are very different from you in many ways. This knowledge will only serve to help you in every aspect of your life.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

I mean.... if all you retain from a video is a name... you sound a bit basic. You should atleast pick up on the flow of the encounter watching a guide and I mean a GOOD guide. Not the crap Mr.Happy dishes out day 1 that rambles on for 30 minutes for a 10 minute fight.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

This is false.

You may not learn everything from a video, however, you can easily learn what happens at what time by watching a video. For example the boss rotation. If you are a healer you can easily learn the rotation of the boss by watching a video so you know exactly when to pop your strongest heals without missing a beat.

At the same time, if you are a tank, you can learn the correct time for a tank buster to pop your mitigation and avoid taking maximum damage. You don't need to be a genius to learn that, you just need to watch a video about the boss fight and have fairly basic brain functionality which I'm pretty sure everyone has.

I do this all the time. I regularly watch videos on Savage things for example so I know what the mechanics will be and I remember them and know what to do. The speed at which I react and do things increases as I go through the dungeon.

If I can do it, so can you, and person A, and B, and C, and everyone else.

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Except you are completely wrong on some accounts. Some folks learn just by seeing. You can show another person 100x and they will not learn without actually doing it. Please read up on learning and teaching styles. There are many studies and papers written on this subject. It will help you understand that just because something is easy for you or works for you doesn’t mean it will work for everyone. So many of the responses on these forums are egocentric.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

Except you are completely wrong on some accounts. Some folks learn just by seeing. You can show another person 100x and they will not learn without actually doing it. Please read up on learning and teaching styles. There are many studies and papers written on this subject. It will help you understand that just because something is easy for you or works for you doesn’t mean it will work for everyone. So many of the responses on these forums are egocentric.

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If anything it shows how little players could actually teach in this game. From what I read, I pray I never get stuck with most of you in any relevant content.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

If anything it shows how little players could actually teach in this game. From what I read, I pray I never get stuck with most of you in any relevant content.

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I'm honestly not sure if I can put into words how I feel about your attitude. Well, not without receiving a ban at least. Just wow.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

No it's not false. I personally have zero efficiency with videos. Absolute. Zero. I learn only by practice. Maximum what can I do with guide - check Tankbuster skill title in some text info, that's all. Fun thing that after I had some practice or even clear, I can deal with videos then, because I know what's going on there since I felt it with my own experience (and even then I'm still bad with them).

And due to the fact I was able to achieve "red" diploma in University, I suppose that maybe I'm not genius, but I definitely not dumb and my brains are not "basic".

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If after watching a video all you remember is the name of a skill, that does sound very...basic.

I generally learn things by doing them, ridiculously quickly at that. Yet at the same time I can learn a fight by just seeing it once on youtube. No one is here to babysit people who refuse to watch a video or read a guide on the fight. I don't see why we should have to hold up the entire party and waste everyones time because 1 person decided his time is worth more than everyone elses and he doesn't read anything about the fight and just expects people to cater to his needs specifically.

Especially if it's old content and there's dozens of guides available. There is no good reason you can give me for your time being more valuable than the rest of the party.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

Except you are completely wrong on some accounts. Some folks learn just by seeing. You can show another person 100x and they will not learn without actually doing it. Please read up on learning and teaching styles. There are many studies and papers written on this subject. It will help you understand that just because something is easy for you or works for you doesn’t mean it will work for everyone. So many of the responses on these forums are egocentric.

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If you show a person something 100 times and they still haven't learned anything, there is something very, very wrong with that person.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

If after watching a video all you remember is the name of a skill, that does sound very...basic.

I generally learn things by doing them, ridiculously quickly at that. Yet at the same time I can learn a fight by just seeing it once on youtube. No one is here to babysit people who refuse to watch a video or read a guide on the fight. I don't see why we should have to hold up the entire party and waste everyones time because 1 person decided his time is worth more than everyone elses and he doesn't read anything about the fight and just expects people to cater to his needs specifically.

Especially if it's old content and there's dozens of guides available. There is no good reason you can give me for your time being more valuable than the rest of the party.

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If you valued your time you use comon sense and make a premade party if physical learners are a issue 4 u.

no one is making you do anything your just 2 lazy 2 go 2 pf and make your video nerd team. I'm not going to justify how i learn a fight 2 someone who isn't smart enough 2 create a premade party

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

If you show a person something 100 times and they still haven't learned anything, there is something very, very wrong with that person.

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I mean, I get it. But everyone is different and learns at different paces. Some simply aren't capable of learning at all in certain cases. It's frustrating to be sure but I think that people need to understand that their fellow human isn't always perfect and some are wired more differently than others. If it's a deal breaker then the person who's the problem can in most cases be removed or can be avoided entirely if properly filtered through the Party Finder.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

If you show a person something 100 times and they still haven't learned anything, there is something very, very wrong with that person.

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And what if there is? What if they have some kind of learning disability? But still love FF14 and want to learn the content, Is that a problem?

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

And what if there is? What if they have some kind of learning disability? But still love FF14 and want to learn the content, Is that a problem?

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It's not a problem, but not our burden.

I am constantly , unpleasantly surprised at how intolerant , self-centered, and stubborn people can be.

Your "standards" are not anyone elses responsibility to meet.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I am constantly , unpleasantly surprised at how intolerant , self-centered, and stubborn people can be.

Your "standards" are not anyone elses responsibility to meet.

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Yeah I’m glad I have friends that care about me and help me, one of my friends even helped me with call outs and I was able to clear all of the Stormblood ex trials, I might need a little bit more help than most people it that doesn’t make me bad, we even started farming shinyru ex and I needed fewer and fewer call outs over time!

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

If you show a person something 100 times and they still haven't learned anything, there is something very, very wrong with that person.

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Why go to the extremes? I’m sure most that learn by doing would be able to repeat off the skills etc after viewing something multiple times. However, that does not translate into them having actually learned the fight. where you might need only a run or two after viewing said video they might need more repetition while doing to actually learn the fight because what the video didn’t translate into the actual learned skill. Most things in life are not simply black and white, but are shades of gray.

Also, if that person does have a disability they have every right to play the game( the service) they pay to utilize. PF is great away to limit exposure to players you don’t want to encounter.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I am constantly , unpleasantly surprised at how intolerant , self-centered, and stubborn people can be.

Your "standards" are not anyone elses responsibility to meet.

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Seriously. Chill with the self righteous attitude. My time is as valuable as the slow learner's, if I don't want to take them by the hand until they clear content, that's my right. If you don't mind it, more power to you but do not demonize others that will not put themselves through such an unnecessary ordeal.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Seriously. Chill with the self righteous attitude. My time is as valuable as the slow learner's, if I don't want to take them by the hand until they clear content, that's my right. If you don't mind it, more power to you but do not demonize others that will not put themselves through such an unnecessary ordeal.

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Considering i didn't name or quote you specifically , ask why you feel you needed to defend yourself.

Your time is your most valuable resource, and I will constantly say the only real currency anyone has to spend. Yes yours is just as valuable as anyone elses, however the only true control you have over it is how you experience it. If you don't wish to spend your time with someone, remove yourself, don't expect them to make your experience better.

You aren't "taking them by the hand". You're understanding that saying "watch a video first" may not be an option for them. Some people learn differently than you and being that way doesn't make them lesser than you.. or "basic". You have a choice to leave the duty or simply remain silent, you don't need to add insulting things.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Seriously. Chill with the self righteous attitude. My time is as valuable as the slow learner's, if I don't want to take them by the hand until they clear content, that's my right. If you don't mind it, more power to you but do not demonize others that will not put themselves through such an unnecessary ordeal.

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I’d wager the issue isn’t what you don’t want to do, but the attitude that is being displayed toward others. Your statements come off as treating those that learn slower with disdain. You don’t want to help them don’t, but why belittle those that do not learn as quickly? Why act like they are less than? Why make your way the only way? Or that they should not attempt the content?

I could careless if you don’t want to the help them. There are tools you can use to avoid those players. Just don’t act like they do not matter and you can treat them any which way you choose. I’d also wager you would never dare do that to someone face to face. They might not matter to you, but to SE as customers they matter. To others who are willing to help they matter.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Seriously. Chill with the self righteous attitude. My time is as valuable as the slow learner's, if I don't want to take them by the hand until they clear content, that's my right. If you don't mind it, more power to you but do not demonize others that will not put themselves through such an unnecessary ordeal.

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It's not necessarily what you're saying, it's how you're saying it and coming across to others. You are right in some respects and I have no problem giving credit where it is due. If you don't want to help, possibly carry someone who seemingly isn't able to learn a piece of content, that's fine. That can't and shouldn't be forced upon you. But don't look down on and talk down to those who are slow to learn, or even can't learn, as you are here. That helps no one. If it upsets you, there is a leave group feature available to use. I've done it way more than once without drama unfolding. Some groups are simply a lost cause.

If you can't tolerate someone who won't watch a video to learn a fight, then you should either only join duties as part of a preset party, or get ready to eat a lot of penalties. There WILL be players like that, and your intolerance is not their problem.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Seriously. Chill with the self righteous attitude. My time is as valuable as the slow learner's, if I don't want to take them by the hand until they clear content, that's my right. If you don't mind it, more power to you but do not demonize others that will not put themselves through such an unnecessary ordeal.

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Who, when and where said that practice learners (or just non-video learners overall) are slow learners? In fact, in real duty you will not even understand if somebody is a video-learner or a text-learner, or a practice-learner without them saying it aloud. Surprise, but it affects the way how you learn, not your speed. Speed is another story and does not depend on the way how you learn.

I usually don't need more than 2 tries for undesranding things. In separate cases I can check clearing video on needable phase for understanding what exactly I do wrong (yet again, clear video is not a guide video, and they work in different ways).

As if all who watched guides makes everything perfectly from the 1st try (spoiler: in 99.9% of cases they do need few tries same as those, who learn not by videos. Sometimes they need even more time. Does it suddenly make them basic? No).

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

If after watching a video all you remember is the name of a skill, that does sound very...basic.

I generally learn things by doing them, ridiculously quickly at that. Yet at the same time I can learn a fight by just seeing it once on youtube. No one is here to babysit people who refuse to watch a video or read a guide on the fight. I don't see why we should have to hold up the entire party and waste everyones time because 1 person decided his time is worth more than everyone elses and he doesn't read anything about the fight and just expects people to cater to his needs specifically.

Especially if it's old content and there's dozens of guides available. There is no good reason you can give me for your time being more valuable than the rest of the party.



If you show a person something 100 times and they still haven't learned anything, there is something very, very wrong with that person.

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Again, as I said just in this same message to another person: I usually do not need more than 2 tries. In case if duty is still hard (which happens very rarely), I can check clear video for needable phase. The main issue with so called guides that they do not give complete picture of battle. I'm glad that many people find them useful, but for me they are not like this. I learn very fast with other ways, faster than thousands of those who watch videos. And I'm not wrong because of this.

Should I call basic those who can't understand mechanic without explainings from the guide? I bet those people will be very offended and they will have full right to be so. Yet you dare to say that those who find video guides unhelpful and can't learn by them for any reasons are not okay.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Seriously. Chill with the self righteous attitude. My time is as valuable as the slow learner's, if I don't want to take them by the hand until they clear content, that's my right. If you don't mind it, more power to you but do not demonize others that will not put themselves through such an unnecessary ordeal.

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That's true... of normal play. You aren't obligated to help people as a regular player.

But this thread is about MENTORS, which part of their "job description" is to help people who are new or don't understand mechanics. So if someone agrees to become a mentor, they sure as shit are obligated to not be a jerk and to help new players and players who don't understand. That's the entire point of the mentor role.

The issue a lot of have are "mentors" that are nothing but elitist jerks looking for another avenue for farming.

I don't see the problem in expecting everyone in a group to be prepared. That's common courtesy, and the trade you should expect if you want anyone else to ever feel inclined to help you.

Some people can't do videos and guides, that's fine, but then it's their responsibility to find an alternative that works for them on their own. Without imposing on seven strangers.

I'm more than happy to teach a sprout how to do the basics, explain mechanics, and introduce them to the game as a whole. Once you hit 70 you grow up though; you're responsible for yourself-- and if you need me to hold your hand, you can pound sand if you didn't put in any work of your own.

In many ways, the lesson I have to teach anyone past 70 is the most important: self-reliance.

I get that some people only learn by doing. No one has been able to explain how a mentor is supposed to help those people who have to experience a fight and don't remember written instructions and ability names.

It seems like a fair assumption that if you learn by being told what to do, you would best learn by looking up guides with audio/text/visual instructions just before queuing up. That removes the stress of having to read quickly because people are waiting for you. I myself will watch a video phase by phase about 2-5 times until I join a learning party because I'm a slow learner, so I only have to practice my rotation and movements during the fight.

If you don't learn by being told what to do, then a mentor is unable to help you and it's not unreasonable for them to leave after a few tries.