Did Matoya just possess Y'shtola's body?

It's Jannequinard.

(This is a joke; I like Belhi's idea that Y'shtola likely just co-opted Matoya's name for her sojourn on the First. After all, the Warriors of Darkness took aliases while on the Source, why wouldn't the Scions?)

I kinda hope that if Urianger is inhabited by someone else, it's not Louisouix. Louisouix got a perfectly decent send-off at the end of Coil, and it'd be kind lame to bring him back now. That said, it IS a perfectly workable theory...

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Originally Posted by Belhi

It seems strange that Matoya would wear Y'shtola like a skin suit. She seemed to genuinely care about her apprentice. It also would be odd that Y'shtola is possessed but the rest of them are their original selves. After all, Thancred is very in character.

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You can bet your bottom dollar that if Matoya is wearing Y'shtola like a skin suit it's BECAUSE she genuinely cares about her apprentice. She would do so only if it was absolutely necessary, and for Y'shtola's direct benefit. For example, if for some reason Y'shtola's return to her body was delayed, and the body was in danger of dying with no soul to inhabit it - I could easily see Matoya stepping forward to use her own soul to preserve the body until it was ready for Y'shtola's return, and happily vacate it once that event occurred. She would likely not think twice about ending her own life to allow Y'shtola a chance to live on. That's just one possible reason, off the top of my head, and there could be others that don't transform Matoya into a monster.

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Originally Posted by Rocl

It's Jannequinard.

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Hah!

He'd look pretty ridiculous in it, I think!


...not that Urianger looks all that great in it either. Maybe personal taste, but it's prettymuch the opposite of what I think works for Elezen costume design. Still, even though they logically have the same physical design, I feel like it would look stranger on Jannequinard... it's a personality thing, I guess. At least Urianger seems to have the elegance to pull it off, even if it's not his usual taste in clothing.


(I did try to reply to this last night just after you'd posted it, but I'd hit my post limit for the day. Would be nice if they could raise the limit on patch day at least... or maybe let you save up extra post allowances over time.)

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Originally Posted by Quor

So I'll just say that I'm looking forward to the inevitable heartfelt conversations between not-Urianger and his grandchildren.

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I think that would be weird, actually. They wrapped it up really nicely in the Binding Coil, and he said his farewells to them. I'm not sure they could add anything to that by having him return again, and especially if he's not visually himself.

Here's a situation that could maybe fit everything presented in the trailer:

The Scion's souls have gone to the First without their bodies. Matoya and the remaining Sharlayans realize there is still trouble coming on the Source they need to defend against. Through similar soul transfer magic that has been teased, they enact a plan to temporarily inhabit the Scion's bodies for both their symbolism and power. Matoya to Y'shtola, Leveva to Urianger, Rammbroes to someone else, etc. This sets up the scene from the trailer to make sense, a Sharlayan disciple and Astrologian, Leveva, talks to a former Master Matoya who is also a Witch/Black Mage type. They intend to "hold the line until our friend (The Warrior of Light) returns."

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Originally Posted by RHagen

Here's a situation that could maybe fit everything presented in the trailer:

The Scion's souls have gone to the First without their bodies. Matoya and the remaining Sharlayans realize there is still trouble coming on the Source they need to defend against. Through similar soul transfer magic that has been teased, they enact a plan to temporarily inhabit the Scion's bodies for both their symbolism and power. Matoya to Y'shtola, Leveva to Urianger, Rammbroes to someone else, etc. This sets up the scene from the trailer to make sense, a Sharlayan disciple and Astrologian, Leveva, talks to a former Master Matoya who is also a Witch/Black Mage type. They intend to "hold the line until our friend (The Warrior of Light) returns."

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That's a neat theory. I rather like Leveva as a character, and it would be cool to see a job-specific character brought into the quest line like that.

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Originally Posted by RHagen

The Scion's souls have gone to the First without their bodies. Matoya and the remaining Sharlayans realize there is still trouble coming on the Source they need to defend against.

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That scene from the trailer was taking place in Rak’tika Greatwood though, so it takes place on the First.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

That scene from the trailer was taking place in Rak’tika Greatwood though, so it takes place on the First.

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Yeah that is the problem, isn't it? Y'shtola's body is on the Source. Her soul is on the first. And we have somebody looking and sounding like Y'shtola on the first, who calls herself Matoya.

I doubt it is an alias. I mean the trust system still uses the real names for Minfilia, Urianger, Dantencred and the Twins.

Going with what we now know, my best guess is that the process used to drag the Scions' souls over to the First may have damaged their memories, and in the interim between her departure and our arrival she began calling herself "Matoya" because she forgot her own name but remembered Matoya's.

Just a guess... eh...

Y'shtola suffering some kind of affliction from her use of forbidden magicks has been heavily foreshadowed. I expect the transfer to the First will affect her in a major way, probably her memory.
So I wouldn't be at all surprised by Cilia's scenario for Y'shtola alone. The whole group? That would seem unlikely.
It might explain why she's with Uriangier (he's acting as carer in some capacity) and why she's not present in Dohm Mheg (still recovering from the transition, maybe unconscious and we don't yet know she's lost her memories)

Here's a fly in the ointment:

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Q: I see, so they understand situational changes.

Yoshida: For example, Y'shtola is a special version of BLM called the "Witch" job ((name may be different in EN)). When she's targeted with an AoE while casting, she'll of course cancel the cast to move out of the AoE. If she happens to get targeted by two in a row, then in order to make up for that loss, she'll use Triplecast to do burst damage. After losing a certain amount of DPS from having her actions interrupted, she recovers it that way. Each character has their own detailed settings like that, which is why having commands would actually make things stranger. Even when you're playing with real people, you'll run into issues like people not focusing on the same mob. Instead of telling them to switch every time, it's probably more effective to adjust to them. Please think of Trusts the same way. Trusts will adjust to the player, unless they determine that continuing to attack their current target is the better choice.

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In before Y'stola was always trained in Black Magic, but she suppressed it. Or perhaps they're going to do a Zaraki/Kenpachi* trope, and Y'stola's real name is Matoya and it's a title/name both.


*In the anime Bleach, there was a soft spoken pacifist healer named named Unohana, and an extremely powerful swordsman named Kenpachi Zaraki. We learn in the final season that "Kenpachi" isn't his first name, but a title and Unohana the soft spoken healer was the predecessor Kenpachi. Then she reveals her true nature and she's absolutely terrifying as a swordsman. Whatif Y'stola we know is suppressing what she knows or her real name is Matoya?

I have no doubt I'm super-wrong but I'm of the opinion there's nothing all too special about the whole thing. WoL losing the Scions to these random callings and everyone being stuck with their bodies was a nice way of making matters creep towards being more problematic than they normally would, but by the time ShB rolls around I suspect that the WoL will first have to 'find the thingy' @ Crystal Tower, there's some explanation between how S/He will teleport between the Source and the First, and some revelation about how to get the Scions back into their bodies.

It is possible, given Matoya's power and the fact that despite her being a reputedly bitter old coot (in her own charming way), she does care about the wee little Scions, and probably does something to bring them back herself, likely at her own expense.

Or doesn't.

Either way, she dies, and Y'stola takes the mantle. Honestly, no matter how correct or incorrect that is, the one thing I do genuinely suspect is Matoya passing on and Y'stola adopting (or being given) the title first by good ole granny.

After thinking about this more with all the revelations since, I'm now wondering if this might just be a really low-key thing that means little. Like, for example, having come to this world flooded in light, Y'shtola thinks that white magic skills are probably not the most useful thing she could bring to the table, and decides to switch to black magic instead -- lessons taught, no doubt, by her master Matoya. Urianger's comment could simply be a reflection of that in light of her job change (sort of a "look who you're taking after now" ribbing from an old friend). Urianger's own change could similarly be to balance out with hers while tapping into the power of the nocturnal sect (given that this whole expansion is about "bringing back the night" after all).

So basically, in the end, it might have all just been a red herring to keep us guessing.

I'm assuming it's being used as an alias.

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Originally Posted by Kotemon

I'm assuming it's being used as an alias.

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Honestly I'm beginning to think this, especially after seeing the Mystels on the First. If pressed, I'd say maybe Y'shtola is pretending to be from the First for some reason or other, and tells the others "call me Mato-Ya", since it's close enough to Mystel naming conventions.

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Originally Posted by YianKutku

Honestly I'm beginning to think this, especially after seeing the Mystels on the First. If pressed, I'd say maybe Y'shtola is pretending to be from the First for some reason or other, and tells the others "call me Mato-Ya", since it's close enough to Mystel naming conventions.

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It's seeming more likely, but the sticking point with "only an alias" is why Urianger would be addressing her as Master Matoya in that case. Unless it's just extremely deadpan sarcasm or something.