What is with people?

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Originally Posted by xMysticx

Comms are actually usually for positive feedback, but okay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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People will give it like candy on halloween just to complete their Challenge Log entries.

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Originally Posted by xMysticx

at that point yes i admit to using shield lob because i didn't know of the aggro combo at that time, mistakes happen lets just leave it at that.

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Now I'm imagining Omega running around as he pleases, dropping mustard bombs on healers, and the most chaotic catastrophe in months.

I suppose it's funny because I wasn't there.

Seems to me the OP is as much a troll as anything.

I'd totally kick you if you were playing bad. Just silently.

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Originally Posted by Kazgrel

Seems to me the OP is as much a troll as anything.

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yet you probably haven't looked back on the other pages, seems like your a troll.

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

I'd totally kick you if you were playing bad. Just silently.

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nobody was playing bad... everyone got upset and resort to dismissing someone from the duty.

all i have to say is some of these responses is just laughable, telling me i wasn't playing my class right or i'm the one trolling, the whole point of this thread was the insult because its against tos and why wouldn't i?, i don't know why some of you are blind to this fact, it's not about knowing mechanics or not knowing how play my class, it's about the fact that i wanted to share my experience with this.

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Originally Posted by xMysticx

also i don't need any teaching, I Have over 250 comms.

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There is always room for improvement, whether it be with your skills or yourself. A little humility can go a long way.

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Originally Posted by xMysticx

nobody was playing bad... everyone got upset and resort to dismissing someone from the duty.

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that's not how wipes happen, especially at 57%. i don't think you know how to objectively analyze the situation.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

that's not how wipes happen, especially at 57%. i don't think you know how to objectively analyze the situation.

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That's also not how vote kicks successfully go through. Enough people had to click yes for it to happen. Note it wasn't a vote abandon.

I genuinely wonder how bad it was for someone to be driven to post a message *that* bad, not that there's an excuse for the message. I just wish a video got posted for the laughs.

Edit: *adjusts his spectacles* Imagine running something at 70 as a paladin and not using Royal Authority or Goring Blade once.
*takes off the spectacles, then stares out the window* Or, imagine a paladin that uses Requiescat but never uses Holy Spirit or Clemency.
*places the spectacles on the table, then pensively stares at them* Perhaps, maybe this is hard to believe, imagine a paladin that doesn't use Bulwark, Sentinel, Rampart, or Convalescence.

I imagine this imaginary paladin hasn't learned there are multiple bars to use on the controller.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

Idk. I know on that fight, people will get very testy because of wipes, period. A lot of people try to farm it for the specific drops, when they raised the difficulty a lot, and 3 wipe abandons in it can be pretty common. But usually its the healers that mess it up, because all the responsibility is on them to stay up due to incoming damage. If he's troll playing he deserves to get kicked, but that fight I can see people kicking just out of frustration.

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I have ran it no less than 20+ times on tanks, healers and DPS. I've only kicked a single person, and that was after three pulls where I straight up died to the buster+autos despite running Vengeance and Rampart. No vote abandons, no kicks outside the aforementioned. Either you've been incredibly unlucky or are exaggerating. Regardless, very rarely do I see someone kicked instantly after a single wipe unless their perform is truly awful. Maybe this was such an occasion, but again, the OP has a history.

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Originally Posted by xMysticx

Comms are actually usually for positive feedback, but okay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I got three comms in my Phantom Train mem run where I literally did zero DPS save for the ghost phase. I even Assize'd at the back to avoid clipping Phantom Train itself. Comms generally mean nothing.

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Originally Posted by xMysticx

yeah i didn't have them on my action bar because i was doing some hunts and put them where total eclipse and holy spirit were, thanks for reminding me actually totally forgot about them

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Holy Spirit is literally your main source of damage why would you ever take it off @v@

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Originally Posted by Ameela

Holy Spirit is literally your main source of damage why would you ever take it off @v@

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Because he still has that box checked.

Report him, move on with your gameplay.

Do everyone else a favour and don't stand for this. He'll either get to the point where he has sufficient strikes where the next will get him banned, at which point he'll maybe exercise some self restraint and act maturely, or he will get banned, then need to start all over, or go to a different game.

This is that Pld that got kicked from Tam-Tara HM for just spamming Shield Lob.

Uncheck that box.

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Originally Posted by xMysticx

all i have to say is some of these responses is just laughable, telling me i wasn't playing my class right or i'm the one trolling, the whole point of this thread was the insult because its against tos and why wouldn't i?, i don't know why some of you are blind to this fact, it's not about knowing mechanics or not knowing how play my class, it's about the fact that i wanted to share my experience with this.

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Pretty sure a lot of posters have already said that you should've reported them for the comments, but found it incredibly odd that you got kicked after one wipe unless you were horribly doing something wrong. If it was Alphascape v3, and you were either losing aggro a lot or turning the boss too much when it was about to launch starboard/larboard, then yeah, people are going to get frustrated because if you were MTing, you are contributing a lot towards vuln stacks and deaths to players who might've otherwise been able to dodge. Plus, some folks remember the last time you posted about problems as a PLD, and then got caught. It makes a lot of us curious about what exactly did happen in that party.

It wasn't nice of him to say what he said to you, but he doesn't seem wrong. Either way it was reportable.

Report immediately!

That's childish, and you don't deserve to be treated that way because someone thought they're better!

generally people will put up with poor game play because it happens cant expect everyone to be the same
but there is always that one person with a short fuse

great that you reported him

Got wind of this thread from a friend of a friend of a friend... lmto omg
So let me get this straight. You said nothing about being new nor asked any questions, stole aggro from our main tank, did not hold the boss in one spot but rather moved him from one side to the other to the other to the other making us all rethink mechs on the fly which in turn was why we wiped because the aoes were just crazy, used requiescat but not holy spirit, didn't reply to any of our party chat texts asking what you were doing, annnnnnd we're the bad guys for vote dismissing you? Nah. I didn't expect my good friend to post the diddy in party chat, but there IS a check box to filter out profanities.
We thought you joined us via DF because you purposefully wanted to ruin someone's night by tanking like a vodka soaked bumble bee. Welcome to the purpose and implementation of vote dismissal.
Be humble. Sit down.

What a surprise that topic creator leaves out that he deliberately plays badly to make the people he's grouped with in DF miserable so he could paint himself the victim. Consider me shocked.

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Originally Posted by XiShi

Got wind of this thread from a friend of a friend of a friend... lmto omg
So let me get this straight. You said nothing about being new nor asked any questions, stole aggro from our main tank, did not hold the boss in one spot but rather moved him from one side to the other to the other to the other making us all rethink mechs on the fly which in turn was why we wiped because the aoes were just crazy, used requiescat but not holy spirit, didn't reply to any of our party chat texts asking what you were doing, annnnnnd we're the bad guys for vote dismissing you? Nah. I didn't expect my good friend to post the diddy in party chat, but there IS a check box to filter out profanities.
We thought you joined us via DF because you purposefully wanted to ruin someone's night by tanking like a vodka soaked bumble bee. Welcome to the purpose and implementation of vote dismissal.
Be humble. Sit down.

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that last comment in party was unnecessary
really only reason why this thread exist
if someone is being that bad or trolling and you've tried to correct it
just kick with out the unneeded comments

People like to talk about how parsers and "elitist" bring toxicity but what OP is doing is extremely toxic.

He's reporting people and possibly getting them temp bans because he's the one bad at the game and since we can't show numbers to prove the person is bad. You can possibly get temp banned for using vote kick "wrong" or banned for saying "You're bad, stop it".

These type of "safety" nets create nothing but extra problems.

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Originally Posted by OurMom

He's reporting people and possibly getting them temp bans

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I mean, if those people didn't want to get reported and possibly banned, may I suggest silently kicking the party member in question without adding what's obviously blatant harassment on top of it all? I complain and swear at bad party members until I go blue in the face, but that's to my fc mates over on discord, never in-game, never to that person's face. And that makes a world of difference.

Now here's the kick. If that guy was really that bad, and intentionally so? That's griefing and is a reportable offense in and of itself. But why try and take care of the root of the problem by reporting it when you can be a jerk about it directly, right?

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These type of "safety" nets create nothing but extra problems.

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If not swearing at people whose gameplay you disapprove of is a 'problem' for you, you have a whole other set of problems to deal with first before worrying about this game...

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I mean, if those people didn't want to get reported and possibly banned, may I suggest silently kicking the party member

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That's why I mentioned possibly getting a temp ban because you used vote kick "wrong" which is a bannable offense, you're not suppose to vote kick someone cause they're bad and there's no option for that in the vote kick menu.

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That's griefing and is a reportable offense in and of itself. But why try and take care of the root of the problem by reporting it when you can be a jerk about it directly, right?

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Because that's really hard to prove if someone is a troll or if someone is just bad which will ultimately lead to SE not doing anything.

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not swearing at people whose gameplay you disapprove of is a 'problem' for you, you have a whole other set of problems to deal with first before worrying about this game...

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Do you mind if I take a look at your shoulder? I think you might have dislocated it with that reach there buddy.

"Safety nets" = Getting banned for vote kicking a bad. Not being able to use/talk about parsers. Not being able to tell someone "Hey you're doing all of this wrong".

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Originally Posted by OurMom

That's why I mentioned possibly getting a temp ban because you used vote kick "wrong" which is a bannable offense, you're not suppose to vote kick someone cause they're bad and there's no option for that in the vote kick menu.

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Gameplay differences. Seems to fly.

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Because that's really hard to prove if someone is a troll or if someone is just bad which will ultimately lead to SE not doing anything.

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So you swear at him, which does do something, and that's that you get reported...? Kick them and move on.

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"Safety nets" = Getting banned for vote kicking a bad.

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How many people do you know that had that happen to them?

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Not being able to tell someone "Hey you're doing all of this wrong".

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You're more than allowed to do that. You just should keep your Tourette Syndrome in check when you do.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Gameplay differences. Seems to fly.

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Again, there's no option when you vote kick that's for "bads" or "gameplay difference" so if the person that got kicked REALLY wanted to push it. The people that vote kicked them could get in trouble since they technically used it "wrong".

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So you swear at him, which does do something, and that's that you get reported...? Kick them and move on.

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Is there a reason you're stuck on swearing? I personally don't think swearing should be a bannable offense but that's not even close to what I'm talking about in any of my previous posts.

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How many people do you know that had that happen to them?

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Four including my self

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You're more than allowed to do that.

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Nope because that's being "toxic" again, why are you stuck on swearing? This entire issue is more than swearing it's about people like OP that are legitimate bads, trying to get innocent people banned because they refuse to learn how to play their class. Also I may have missed something, I didn't read this entire thread but in the screenshot did the person swear at them? Saying "you play like crap" isn't truly swearing at them. Swearing at them is saying "you are crap".

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Originally Posted by XiShi

I believe the word 'shit' was used.

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Yeah but that's not swearing at them that's more like comparing them to it (not trying to get banned on the forums again). Swearing at them is calling them the actual word.

I believe the word 'shit' was used.

"I didn't expect my good friend to post the diddy in party chat, but there IS a check box to filter out profanities."

We vote dismissed. We did not vote collectively to insult, nor do I pay my friend's sub.
Still, even if my friend had not said what he said, we'd still be here having this conversation because ultimately Mystic's feelings were hurt by his being vote dismissed. Which, we had every right to, because we felt he was a harasser or bot by means of his erratic gameplay and not responding to our party chat text.

The gross part about this is that the person who lost their cool and insulted the OP is reportable but doing really, really stupid and detrimental things somehow isn't.

In no other situation can someone walk into a group activity, perform terribly, actively disrupt and hinder the progress of their teammates and just walk away with no penalty.

I feel like the OP should be reported for his deliberate poor play. I know there are a ton of gray areas and it's a slippery slope and all that but like this guy played badly on purpose and was actively wasting 7 other players time. That isn't any more okay than saying rude stuff in PF.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

The gross part about this is that the person who lost their cool and insulted the OP is reportable but doing really, really stupid and detrimental things somehow isn't.

In no other situation can someone walk into a group activity, perform terribly, actively disrupt and hinder the progress of their teammates and just walk away with no penalty.

I feel like the OP should be reported for his deliberate poor play. I know there are a ton of gray areas and it's a slippery slope and all that but like this guy played badly on purpose and was actively wasting 7 other players time. That isn't any more okay than saying rude stuff in PF.

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I agree. This is the second time now the OP has done this and has gotten caught red-handed, yet again. Blist is probably in good order for them.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

The gross part about this is that the person who lost their cool and insulted the OP is reportable but doing really, really stupid and detrimental things somehow isn't.

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I believe it actually is. The Report Harassment option in-game includes harassment via gameplay means, and this would fall squarely under it. But as brought up before, it's a very gray area, because how can you prove they were doing it intentionally instead of just, well, being bad?
Granted, if you have the proof, go for it. It's very much a reportable offense.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

I agree. This is the second time now the OP has done this and has gotten caught red-handed, yet again. Blist is probably in good order for them.

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Blist sadly won't stop people from getting queued with that person. It's a glorified chat filter.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Blist sadly won't stop people from getting queued with that person. It's a glorified chat filter.

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True, but it's good to remember their name. No way I'm condoning the message they received after they were kicked, but at the same time, being called out on your bs twice on the forums within a year establishes a pattern of wanting to play the victim. Even if it weren't true about what really happened in the duty, OP's credibility is shoddy right now. Maybe they do need to take a step back and try to play properly before trying to play the victim a third time.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I believe it actually is. The Report Harassment option in-game includes harassment via gameplay means, and this would fall squarely under it. But as brought up before, it's a very gray area, because how can you prove they were doing it intentionally instead of just, well, being bad?
Granted, if you have the proof, go for it. It's very much a reportable offense.

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The issue here is nothing beyond this person saying in chat that they're trolling would count as proof. SE will always err on the side of caution with something like this. The only time I've heard of any real results via Report Harrassment via gameplay has been MPKers in Eureka.

To me both things that were done were equally wrong - it's just different kinds of trolling. Both should have the same penalty and yet one will likely never see any repercussions from their actions.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

True, but it's good to remember their name. No way I'm condoning the message they received after they were kicked, but at the same time, being called out on your bs twice on the forums within a year establishes a pattern of wanting to play the victim. Even if it weren't true about what really happened in the duty, OP's credibility is shoddy right now. Maybe they do need to take a step back and try to play properly before trying to play the victim a third time.

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I'm hesitant to blist people like this guy. It doesn't have a tangible benefit to me and there is then the issue of being unable to see if they're saying anything to or about you if you're partied with them again.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

To me both things that were done were equally wrong - it's just different kinds of trolling. Both should have the same penalty and yet one will likely never see any repercussions from their actions.

I'm hesitant to blist people like this guy. It doesn't have a tangible benefit to me and there is then the issue of being unable to see if they're saying anything to or about you if you're partied with them again.

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Agreed on all fronts. Honestly the blist option in this game protects the culprits more than anything. When you report them they tell you to blist them, but if they talk trash about you again and someone reports them, "no we need the person it was directed at to report them". But they have them blisted, they can't see it! [screams into the void]

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

I'm hesitant to blist people like this guy. It doesn't have a tangible benefit to me and there is then the issue of being unable to see if they're saying anything to or about you if you're partied with them again.

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Oh right...I forget that PF doesn't really have much affect on blist. I have an alt lurking on Primal, though not on Ultros where they are at, so probably - hopefully - won't run into them and have to experience something like this first hand. Still, the player who sent that message that prompted this thread should be reprimanded in some fashion. Won't happen, as you said, and overall, it's just a crappy situation for all involved in that party.

Uh, someone correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you locked from kicking someone until the instance time has elapsed for at least 15 minutes? There's not a single Alphascape that should last that long in one pull, so are you sure you were kicked after only one pull?

How do I enlarge the image from a phone? I can't see more than blurry text in the chatbox...

That aside, I get the general gist of it being terrible. If they're going to attack you over a video game it shows that they're not worth playing with in the first place.

Try not to let it get to you. If you want a buddy to run content with and we're on the same data center (can't see your server cuz well...phone) I'd be more than happy to tag along.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

Uh, someone correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you locked from kicking someone until the instance time has elapsed for at least 15 minutes? There's not a single Alphascape that should last that long in one pull, so are you sure you were kicked after only one pull?

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15 minutes is for vote abandon. Kicking individuals is limited by 5 minutes into the instance.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

How do I enlarge the image from a phone? I can't see more than blurry text in the chatbox...

That aside, I get the general gist of it being terrible. If they're going to attack you over a video game it shows that they're not worth playing with in the first place.

Try not to let it get to you. If you want a buddy to run content with and we're on the same data center (can't see your server cuz well...phone) I'd be more than happy to tag along.

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https://i.imgur.com/laMSxgN.jpg
It says: << Hey OP do me a favor, go to your settings under character config>control settings and uncheck the box that says play like shit>>

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Originally Posted by XiShi

Got wind of this thread from a friend of a friend of a friend... lmto omg
So let me get this straight. You said nothing about being new nor asked any questions, stole aggro from our main tank, did not hold the boss in one spot but rather moved him from one side to the other to the other to the other making us all rethink mechs on the fly which in turn was why we wiped because the aoes were just crazy, used requiescat but not holy spirit, didn't reply to any of our party chat texts asking what you were doing, annnnnnd we're the bad guys for vote dismissing you? Nah. I didn't expect my good friend to post the diddy in party chat, but there IS a check box to filter out profanities.
We thought you joined us via DF because you purposefully wanted to ruin someone's night by tanking like a vodka soaked bumble bee. Welcome to the purpose and implementation of vote dismissal.
Be humble. Sit down.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

https://i.imgur.com/laMSxgN.jpg
It says: << Hey OP do me a favor, go to your settings under character config>controll settings and uncheck the box that says play like shit>>

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Tbh I couldn't read it either, I was not prepared for such spicy bantz though. I will admit that I giggled... but then felt bad... but then remembered how the OP treated his party and was okay with the giggle.