SHADOWBRINGERS

I think it depends on whether Zenos takes the long game or peters out inside of a patch like the WoD did. the second could refer to him as well. I'd rather it refer to us, but it could refer to him.

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

Lol. You know what else sounds awkward?

Stormblood.

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I don’t know. It sounded epic to me - stormblood. Same with heavensward. Shadowbringers though sounds like a job posting...

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Originally Posted by Rasler_Heios

I don’t know. It sounded epic to me - stormblood. Same with heavensward. Shadowbringers though sounds like a job posting...

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Bloodstorm sounds epic.
Stormblood sounds new agey.
Shadowbringers sounds....eh. Watch the logo be an umbrella.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Bloodstorm sounds epic.
Stormblood sounds new agey.
Shadowbringers sounds....eh. Watch the logo be an umbrella.

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Well, We each have our own preference of what sounds epic, hence the words “to me”. If I remember correctly ,the titles have been used in the in-game text and when I came across them the tile just made sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Titles usually have a multiple meanings to them.

Heavensward:
1) Reference to Dragoons (Kain in Dissidia shouted Heavensward! when he used his Pride of the Dragoons EX Burst)
2) Flying mounts
3) The Heaven's Ward faction
4) The WoL, having fallen from glory is trying to regain his/her blessing of Hydalyn once more



Shadowbringers might refer to us going to the moon and/or the ascians who are the opposite of the WoL (Which are "light bringers", also the ultimate sword in FFXI was called Lightbringer)

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I thought it was also because the WoL is a ward of heaven...

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Originally Posted by Rasler_Heios

Well, We each have our own preference of what sounds epic, hence the words “to me”. If I remember correctly ,the titles have been used in the in-game text and when I came across them the tile just made sense to me.

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Yeah, I didn’t mean anything by it.
Shadowbringers does leave things up in the air though, which is always what this game needs more of.

well, revealed Prelude in Violet is 4.4. https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ac77c92d7042b0

so Shadowbringers can still be 5.0

Garlemald will get blown up, and we're gonna visit the post apocalyptic garlemald.

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

Garlemald will get blown up, and we're gonna visit the post apocalyptic garlemald.

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In the middle of the crater, we find Zenos smoking a cigarette with a satisfied smile on his face.

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Originally Posted by SoleilAlphi

well, revealed Prelude in Violet is 4.4. https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ac77c92d7042b0

so Shadowbringers can still be 5.0

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We already knew 4.4 was prelude in violet...

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

We already knew 4.4 was prelude in violet...

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I didn't know until today :P

Speaking of SHADOWBRINGERS, it makes me wonder, does this mean the Warriors of Darkness will make a comeback??

Think about it, we as the Warrior of Light are known as the Bringers of Light.

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Originally Posted by SoleilAlphi

well, revealed Prelude in Violet is 4.4. https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ac77c92d7042b0

so Shadowbringers can still be 5.0

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Went to the special site.......
Extremely disappointing that the new dungeon gear is a recolour of the gear from Baelsar's Wall/Sohm Al Hard :I

Eh, gear recycling is nothing new, and it's not like we won't be replacing it all with tome gear anyway (not to mention just straight glamouring over it).

Wasn't the Shadowbringers trademark discover like 2 months ago, it's not "new" news by any means.

Absolutely, SHADOWBRINGERS makes reference to everything dark and the Warriors of Darkness should be part of the Main Scenario in 5.0, we might even go to another realm and we most likely will bring Minfilia back to our Eorzea, she's not dead in case no one remembers her anymore, she's just gone to help our alter egos in some other land!...


SHADOWBRINGERS just sounds too cool for me and has a lot of potential for a full expansion, I just hope the Producer and the dev team won't disappoint like they did with the current expansion!...

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Absolutely, SHADOWBRINGERS makes reference to everything dark and the Warriors of Darkness should be part of the Main Scenario in 5.0, we might even go to another realm and we most likely will bring Minfilia back to our Eorzea, she's not dead in case no one remembers her anymore, she's just gone to help our alter egos in some other land!...


SHADOWBRINGERS just sounds too cool for me and has a lot of potential for a full expansion, I just hope the Producer and the dev team won't disappoint like they did with the current expansion!...

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I almost forgot about Minfilia. I could see that happening. Good call.

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Originally Posted by DreamAngel-Ren

Speaking of SHADOWBRINGERS, it makes me wonder, does this mean the Warriors of Darkness will make a comeback??

Think about it, we as the Warrior of Light are known as the Bringers of Light.

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Arent they death? They killed themselves in their realm and traveled with the echo to ours. But as far as the scenes told us they went back to their worlds livestream.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Good old Trademark_Bot on Twitter just caught this new trademark registration from SE:

https://twitter.com/trademark_bot/st...22377980338179

A bit earlier than when Stormblood was registered, but given the Rising's clues to Twilight and Darkness, and the fact that we have a ShadowHunter, and that our WoL is going to somehow really mess things up...

What do you think, guys? Next expansion name?

The real question is - we call Stormblood SB. What would we call this one?

*X-Files Music Intensifies*

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ShB

And this would be a very uncreative title, in my opinion. Which means it will likely grow on me after a while.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Arent they death? They killed themselves in their realm and traveled with the echo to ours. But as far as the scenes told us they went back to their worlds livestream.

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It's implied that they'd likely die during the journey, though if Hydaelyn is truly as benevolent as she makes herself out to be then perhaps she would have found a way to save them given that they literally sacrificed themselves for the sake of their planet and were screwed over despite following her instructions. Arbert is also an interesting character with an excellent voice actor, so having him show up again would be pretty cool.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Arent they death? They killed themselves in their realm and traveled with the echo to ours. But as far as the scenes told us they went back to their worlds livestream.

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Yeah, however they could easily come back for some other reason with the assistance of Hydaelyn (or maybe Zodiark...) - probably trying to keep us from making the same mistake that they did or something else...
I feel like their arc was way too short and here I was thinking that we were going to have a long Tom & Jerry feud with them for the next few expansions lol.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's implied that they'd likely die during the journey, though if Hydaelyn is truly as benevolent as she makes herself out to be then perhaps she would have found a way to save them given that they literally sacrificed themselves for the sake of their planet and were screwed over despite following her instructions. Arbert is also an interesting character with an excellent voice actor, so having him show up again would be pretty cool.

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Can she raise the death? I mean its not only that they died but they left their bodies behind.

(Well theoretically they could take over another body if they have great understanding of the echo, kinda like the Ascians do, but I am not really sure if they even wanted to go on.)

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Can she raise the death? I mean its not only that they died but they left their bodies behind.

(Well theoretically they could take over another body if they have great understanding of the echo, kinda like the Ascians do, but I am not really sure if they even wanted to go on.)

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I wonder how WE became Warriors of Light... . I mean, we got some kind of vision or dream about a big shiny crystal... and thats it. Blessed by the crystal. I wonder how we get there. There is no hint, how and why we are chosen. From light comes darkness. And from darkness... light!

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

I wonder how WE became Warriors of Light... . I mean, we got some kind of vision or dream about a big shiny crystal... and thats it. Blessed by the crystal. I wonder how we get there. There is no hint, how and why we are chosen. From light comes darkness. And from darkness... light!

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We got a vision of both crystals, which is intriguing. I don't remember a point where we receive a vision of the future, so at some point we also saw the big purple crystal at the end of 2.0.


Was it stated that Zodiark is on the moon, or implied from Elidibus' moonwalk? Banishment can mean a lot of things if it was implied.

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Originally Posted by Xion136

SE has a lot of other trademarks going on. Plus "Prelude to Violet."


I doubt it would be Shadowbringers. That doesn't sound like the name of an expansion, but that's just me.

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I could still see a Shadowbringers expansion with a violet color sceme and lightning elemental start screen. (many dark elemental effects associated with Ascians are purplish)

Call it SBS

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Originally Posted by Sahama

Call it SBS

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SBS = Special Broadcasting Service is a hybrid-funded Australian public broadcasting radio, online and television network :p

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Originally Posted by Sahama

Call it SBS

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Also Singapore Bus Service 8D

Heavensward has a poetic literary reference/imagery to it, and Stormblood has a kind of poetic aspect in its reversed structure, although being plain literal. (Sorry, my old literature and poetry studies kicking in)
On the other hand, Shadowbringers is just straightforward and literal, but so was A Ream Reborn...

So wait and see. Only a few days from now :D

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Originally Posted by Mansion

On the other hand, Shadowbringers is just straightforward and literal, but so was A Ream Reborn...

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My bigger gripe about it is that it references a specific (more or less) group of people, while the other three specify events. The rebirth after calamity, the march towards heavens (flying islands) and the storm of blood through war.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

My bigger gripe about it is that it references a specific (more or less) group of people, while the other three specify events. The rebirth after calamity, the march towards heavens (flying islands) and the storm of blood through war.

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Well maybe that's foreshadowing (PUN) an event too, with a Calamity brought by the action of a group of people... maybe the WoL themselves actually.

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Originally Posted by Mansion

Well maybe that's foreshadowing (PUN) an event too, with a Calamity brought by the action of a group of people... maybe the WoL themselves actually.

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Foreshadowing an event made by a group of people is not the same as an event. As a comparison, Stormblood would be named The Revolutionaries and Heavensward the Primordial Dragons or the like. A Realm Reborn would be called The Three Leaders or some such.

Shadowbringers doesn't sound like an expansion FF XIV name simply because it means too much.

When was the last time you heard the word "Heavensward" used in any context before the end scenes of 2.0? And "Stormblood" isn't even a word.

"Heavenward" was a phrase uttered by Kain Highwind in Dissidia Duodecim during his EX Burst "Dragoon's Pride".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2WKvdRhsME

Heavensward is probably a reference to the fact that there are 7 heavens (and 7 hells), and also because Thordan's crew was called Heaven's Ward.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

"Heavenward" was a phrase uttered by Kain Highwind in Dissidia Duodecim during his EX Burst "Dragoon's Pride".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2WKvdRhsME

Heavensward is probably a reference to the fact that there are 7 heavens (and 7 hells), and also because Thordan's crew was called Heaven's Ward.

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It had a triple meaning of Heaven's Ward and the fact that we were going into the sky not only to floating islands but also actually letting our mounts fly.

Heavensward and Stormblood were fantastic expac names, if Shadowbringers is the next one....well like I said previously it sounds like cringy fanfic or a bad 80's fantasy novel.

It had more than 3 meaning. Another metaphor is that we had fallen from divinity's grace at the end of ARR (lost our crystals of light) and had to spend the whole expansion regaining our powers and reforging our pact with Hydaelyn, thus we were ascending in power and divine favor once more.

"Shadowbringers" makes sense if you acknowledge that we've tipped the scale too far to the light by defeating Ascians and primals and as FF3 and FFXI have shown us, there needs to be a balance, otherwise one side annihilates the other and then void sweeps in to destroy the remainder (the "good job breaking it, hero" trope). It could be in 5.0 we have to start messing empowering the darkness or siding with the ascians. After all, it has been stated before that each Ascian was once a former WoL. There's probably a good reason for that. My hypothesis is they were too once bearers of the Echo and used it to fight for light but then discovered if light overwhelms the darkness, it threatens all existence, so they seek to restore the balance to preserve reality, while we're mucking it up and empowering Hydaelyn who at he end of the day is herself a primal technically. Hell the reason why those with the Echo can't be tempered is perhaps because the echo is itself a form of tempering.

Ultimately I just feel like "Shadowbringers" lacks the poetic sound of the other titles.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

After all, it has been stated before that each Ascian was once a former WoL.

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Has it? Where?

And an actual Warrior of Light or just someone with the Echo?


Also until we get more information about Her origins, it's still only a theory that Hydaelyn is "technically a primal".

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Has it? Where?

And an actual Warrior of Light or just someone with the Echo?


Also until we get more information about Her origins, it's still only a theory that Hydaelyn is "technically a primal".

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As far as I'm aware, we know the Ascians are typically skilled with the Echo, which allows them to transcend mortal existence in the way they do as well as even allowing two of them to fuse as one. But while(most of) the Ascians are named for the Scions of Light that are in relation to FFXII's Espers, I don't recall the game ever explicitly stating any of them were ever at any time a WoL. I could be mistaken, however.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Ultimately I just feel like "Shadowbringers" lacks the poetic sound of the other titles.

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This is what I was getting at. It just sounds like, as I said, the title of bad fanfic written by a tryhard. Whether it makes sense or not it hits the ear weird