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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

No, the most fair system would be you keep the house until your sub expires.

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Strangely enough, that would be even more "extortionate" (for a lack of a better word) than the current system, which allows you to unsub for a month (31 days) and get back without much issue (timer is 45 days).

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

No, the most fair system would be you keep the house until your sub expires.

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Not with the system we have now sadly D: If it was that way then no new players would be able to get a house cause players would just hold them all. Honestly the only answer is to make a new system but who knows what hang ups with the code they have. I get people hate the current system, but unless they change it this is what we got, and unless I'm missing something the timer is the most fair way. I'm not saying it's the best, but with the way the system is with the limit housing, the timer is the best we can ask for.. with this system. Under anything else yeah this would be horrible but this is the system we have.

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Originally Posted by ko_

Not with the system we have now sadly D: If it was that way then no new players would be able to get a house cause players would just hold them all.

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No, players wouldn't be able to hold them. If a player quits, and their sub expires, their house would expire too. Perhaps a 10 to 15 day leeway or so, because yes, Zojha brings up a point that in a few ways, housing by sub would be even more restrictive. There are several counts of players at this point who maintain their sub even when they can't log in. Recently there was a post about somebody who came out of the hospital to find their house was gone, despite that they kept their subscription going.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

No, players wouldn't be able to hold them. If a player quits, and their sub expires, their house would expire too. Perhaps a 10 to 15 day leeway or so, because yes, Zojha brings up a point that in a few ways, housing by sub would be even more restrictive. There are several counts of players at this point who maintain their sub even when they can't log in. Recently there was a post about somebody who came out of the hospital to find their house was gone, despite that they kept their subscription going.

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I dont think I get it honestly :c as the timer is there so people can't hold the houses unfairly. If I'm missing something please explain. :c

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Originally Posted by ko_

I dont think I get it honestly :c as the timer is there so people can't hold the houses unfairly. If I'm missing something please explain. :c

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Think of it like the sub *is* the timer. Sub runs out, timer runs out or goes on a 10-15 day countdown.

The ideal housing system would just be that people get to keep their houses forever and whenever a ward is filled a new one opens up.

Unfortunately, since the higher-ups at SE graciously gifted the dev team with the finest servers 1997 had to offer, I doubt that would be possible.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

You are also paying to develop ilvl 375 weapons. But SE isn't obliged to give them to you just because of that. You still have to Savage Sigmascape for them. You paid for the development of the Centurio Tiger but you still need to do 2000 hunts for it. You paid for the Magitek Conveyor to be created and yet you still need to rank in the top 100 for Feast.

The game is a package deal. You pay for everything, not just the content you choose to opt into. And you know what? Plenty of people without houses paid to develop and host your house, too.

And yes, the wild claims about demo-timer being there to force subs is a conspiracy theory thrown around by crackpots. The length of "content droughts" has no bearing on the topic of housing. The term itself is questionable as there is plenty of content in the game to keep people busy between content patches... if they choose to opt into it. Just because there is nothing you want to do, doesn't mean there is nothing to do.

Someone not playing for 45 days might not have abandoned the game. Someone not playing for 6 months might not have abandoned the game either. Or a year even. Where do you draw an arbitrary line like that? What's the hard cutoff for when people will never come back? To me, 45 days seems reasonable. Others disagree, as is their right. But it doesn't mean it's a conspiracy on SE's part. The demo timer is there to try to keep houses in the hands of people who will use them. Nothing more.

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But where am I asking for them to just give me a house? This is about keeping a house you already have, not about obtaining a new one, that's a whole different topic. Yeah to get a house you have to play the game and pay gil for it, just like you have to play the game and clear a raid to get gear, but your argument is that if you loot dragoon pants from sigma and you don't use them for 45 days it's okay for SE to delete them. Imagine if you started losing experience on any job you don't play for more than 45 days.

Yes everybody, even those without a house paid for the housing system, what does that have to do with anything? If they are unable to get a house then the solution is more wards (well, the real solution is instanced housing, but that's not gonna happen), not removing houses from other paying customers.

It's fine that new patches are providing you with enough content for almost 4 months, but your situation is not the same as everyone else's, otherwise Yoshida himself wouldn't have told people to take a break and come back for a new patch, if he went on to give that a special mention it means this sentiment is more widespread than you think.

On the line, the line I'm proposing to be drawn is at the point where you're actively paying for the game, big difference between someone gone for 2-3 months without paying and someone gone for 2-3 months still supporting the servers that keep the houses up.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

No, the most fair system would be you keep the house until your sub expires.

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But only if there is enough time to still take a break and not pay sub. Heck make it two months without a sub and it would be a much better system right now. (My wish is still that we would get private instance houses so that I could switch one house over to that) Because its easier to just pay a sub from everywhere (or tell someone to pay it for you while you cant do it at the moment) then having to pay sub and going into the game.

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Originally Posted by ko_

I dont think I get it honestly :c as the timer is there so people can't hold the houses unfairly. If I'm missing something please explain. :c

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Timer would still be there but only together with the sub and without the going into the game thing. So for example if you know you go on a vacation or business trip that might take you more than 45 days you now would be in a bad place if you dont have access to the game somehow. If you for example play it on PS4 but cant take the console with you, you would need to buy the game for a laptop or tell someone your log in data to log in for you. With only the sub you can just do the 180 sub and be done with it. No need for the game or for other people to log into this. SE would still get the money out of this because people would still be force to sub but it would make it easier for those of us that own houses and simply are not able to play it or just dont want to play it for a time. And for those that argue that people that cant even visit a house every 45 days should not have one: What is the line were someone deserves it or not? What if the person that would lose it under the system right now (because of a lengthy trip or sickness) used the houses every day until that happened? Is it fair that they lose it? What if those others that keep theirs because they play constantly use it less, because they are only going in there once a week? Do they deserve it more?

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Originally Posted by Zojha

...the current system, which allows you to unsub for a month (31 days) and get back without much issue (timer is 45 days).

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Indeed, or alternately lets you unsub for 44 days if you plan for it and make sure you go into your house on the last day before your sub expires. That’s more time off than on if you want to minimise your subscription cost that way. You’d only actually need to subscribe for five months in a year instead of twelve, if keeping your house is the only concern.