FFXIV Successor MMO (FFXVII?) Hinted at

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Originally Posted by Enla

I took the survey and frankly it felt less like they were plotting a successor MMO and more trying to figure out better ways to monetize this one and provide content going forward. Having three MMO's running concurrently would just cannibalize their own industry, so I doubt they're even caring enough to make a successor to FFXIV when it's still exceedingly successful.

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That is the impression I had too. Many of the questions were more of what type of stuff would you buy in the cash shop if we decide to put more stuff there. It also seemed to be trying to find out what would get you to download more SE games. One thing I didn't like was how FF XIV was handled under the overall Final Fantasy banner when it isn't really the same as the rest of the series. If they wanted to group it I think pairing it with Tomb Raider online would have been better and provided better info between Japanese and American style MMO's.

If they do make another mmorpg. Hope it's based off of Star Ocean or Chrono Trigger. Just for something new.

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Originally Posted by xaventh

Im not so sure about that. FFXIV was in development in 2005, just 3 years after the JP release of XI. In 2010 it was released just 8 years after JP launch of XI. ARR is 5 years old in august. It is not beyond possibility they launch XVII back to back with XVI like they did with XIII and XIV.

My suggestion was pretty simple. Once they launch the new FF MMO, instead of just individual subs for each of their online games, have the option for a monthly fee for all of them as well.

Also, stop with the remakes. Remasters are ok but remakes are basically a new game its pointless and a waste of assets and time to tell the same story again.

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I agree with everything Xaventh said, specially about remakes...I would prefer FFXVI to FFVII remake.

I would rather see XIV last 20 or 30 years and let the other FF be single player.

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Originally Posted by xaventh

Also, stop with the remakes. Remasters are ok but remakes are basically a new game its pointless and a waste of assets and time to tell the same story again.

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Remasters and Remakes are essentially the same thing.

What people want in principle is the same experience on current hardware for most games. The art can be exactly the same, the translation can be polished up, the music can have the option for the original track as it was in the game or as it was composed, or an alternative track set.

Or the art can be polished up as well (see Cave Story+ as a good example of a game that lets you use the original art or the improved art. Several SCUMM engine games were updated this way by switching out the original art and interface with the modern one.)

A Remaster is a remake where they try to squeeze additional fidelity out of existing game assets, which is something you can do with 3D games, but not 2D games. So most PSX/PS2 era games can be remastered by remaking the game engine and using the same models with the original textures created, rather than the PSX/PS2 textures. Remastering of anime/cartoons, film and audio recordings is often possible simply because the original recording medium actually had additional resolution. Especially with film since a 35mm film negative is actually around 21 megapixels if scanned frame by frame.

A straight-up remake, is where they throw away the original thing and make something in the same spirit of the original, and usually fail. You often see this when a film adaption is made of a novel or comic. "The book was better" so to speak. In the context of a video game, a video game can be extended in ways that you can not with a film.

IMO, the reason they decided to remake FF7 is because it's the game with the most embarrassing visuals for the hardware it was on (considering they produced a PSP and PS2 spinoff, and a movie,) and the one that was the most popular with the generation who grew up with the PSX. Adjusted for inflation it's the 5th most expensive video game ever produced and held that title for 7 years before Halo 2 beat it. The FF7 remake has now beat Duke Nukem Forever (12 years) as Vaporware ever since the 2005 E3 PS3 intro remake.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

If they do make another mmorpg. Hope it's based off of Star Ocean or Chrono Trigger. Just for something new.

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Star Ocean is def one that I really, really want! Especially since it looks like we'll never get Phantasy Star Online here :(

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Originally Posted by Ilyrian

I do wonder if the MMO genre has run its course though. The numbers for this game aren't great in the grand scheme of things - and we'll never see the heights that WoW reached at its peak.
With the the success of the cash shops etc - I wonder if its actually financially viable to produce an old-school MMO for any company anymore.
I say this as an old-school MMO player - I want them to succeed but I wonder if there are the numbers anymore or if the entire concept is even attractive to the newer generation of gamers.

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I'd say MMOs are actually more popular than ever, but there are so many of them these days - all competing for the same players - that each MMO has difficulty getting enough players to be profitable.
The added competition from other online games of various sorts do not exactly help either.

I've already invested 5 years of play time into this game if they suddenly released a new MMO I will not be that invested into it because I've dedicated half a decade to this one already and see no point in moving on to another game just to start over.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

the Mana series

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Yes pleaaaase. OMG, the remake was amazing. It was wonderful actually getting full translations of the story rather than the hodgepodge that existed in the past due to character limits. As much as people complained about the remake, it stayed faithful and fixed some very exploitative things and provided other quality of life changes. I know I was also hoping that they remake might help SE decide on working on another Seiken Densetsu title, or in the very least, officially release an English version of 3.

Also, I'd not say MMOs are dying, but there is definitely an over-saturation of them. Many MMOs have come out, some hardly advertised or barely launched, before failing. The main elephant in the room is that quite a few MMOs are shifting their platform to mobile. TONS of "mobile MMOs" are coming out soon.

The survey also mentioned Chrono Trigger, which is very suspicious because none of SE's old IPs are mentioned (Mana, Parasite Eve, Brave Fencer). The fact that CT was namedropped in the survey gives me hope for a sequel...especially since Setsuna did pretty well.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

The survey also mentioned Chrono Trigger, which is very suspicious because none of SE's old IPs are mentioned (Mana, Parasite Eve, Brave Fencer). The fact that CT was namedropped in the survey gives me hope for a sequel...especially since Setsuna did pretty well.

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But it had a sequel! Chrono Cross :P.

They may create a third game.....aka Chrono Break.

I'm barely interested in this mmo much less a new one. I kind of feel like maybe I'm burned out on SE in general. There's only so many times one can play the same game, after all. The villains are recycled, the stories are recycled, and even the 'original' ones are so obnoxious that I kind of click through them. The most egregious example I have is the story centering around a certain sexist faction and our companion NPC saying something like, "I want to stay and learn more about these people!" and I'm literally screaming at my screen "I f****** don't!!!!" - but I have to because that's storyline and I can't just tell them to throw themselves into the desert and spin. That was mostly the end for me. Add to that the systems here that are the most player-unfriendly things I have ever seen in any mmo, including FFXI, and there isn't much left that's attractive.

I think that MMOs are going to be popular into the future... just maybe not SE mmos.

Please market DQX as a new MMO (it would be for the West) <3

I think they have been “working” on the next FF MMO. I just hope it doesn’t turn out to be a wow theme park/ cash shop it’s turned into. I feel like even though 1.0 had issues . I had lot of fun times and epic memories.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Is it bad that I suggested a Ivalice MMORPG on the survey? >w>

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I think this is a great idea actually, they have a bunch of different race options that would entice people alone.

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Originally Posted by Coombah

I think this is a great idea actually, they have a bunch of different race options that would entice people alone.

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The more I think about it, the more I want it.

It could be set after Tactics A2, which happens after XII and Revenant's Wing but far before the original Tactics.
The players could be wandering hunters/adventurers, who can form their own clans like in Advance and A2 that will work like FCs + Grand Companies.
They could have the original 5 races from Advance starting out (Hume, Banga, Moogle, Viera, and Nu Mou) and add other races with the expansions (like Aegyl, Gria, Seeq, etc).
Jobs could function like in XII: Zodiac Age, where you have a Main Job and a secondary Job, each with a license board shaped like a picture, that you unlock skills, spells, traits, and gear with as you level.

I ask for a FF7 MMORPG. It be something different than ffxi and ffxiv is like it be more in the future than the past like other two.

I'll definitely not buy another game from SE. Their RNG in FF is so bad, I'm shivering in Horror if I'm thinking about suffering from it again in another game.
Not to mention the fact that they have to complicate all simple things. No thanks.
And one more thing. I don't like the fact that SE does not want to talk to their Player in an International language. If I'm done with FF, I'm done with SE.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Is it bad that I suggested a Ivalice MMORPG on the survey? >w>

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No. That is quite good, actually.

Apologies if someone brought up SE's investor guidance, but attempting to divine the tea leaves here (guidance May 11, 2018), http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ne...8q4outline.pdf

Yosuke Matsuda: "I next turn to the MMO subsegment. FY2018/3 saw the release of expansion packs for FINAL FANTASY XIV and DRAGON QUEST X and both titles contributed to earnings. In particular, the release of the expansion disk for FINAL FANTASY XIV led to the highest number of paying subscribers that title has experienced since its launch."

Based on this, looks like FF14 is doing great and they're gonna keep milking it instead of releasing something new. Further:

"We expect the HD Games sub-segment to book an operating loss in 1Q FY2019/3. We will not be releasing any major new titles until the launch of SHADOW OF THE TOMB RAIDER, which is slated for September 14. In other words, our launch schedule for new titles in FY2019/3 kicks off in the latter half of 2Q and is therefore weighted more to 2H. We likewise do not look for new smart device titles to start contributing to earnings until July. Moreover, because we will first be investing advertising spending on large-scale marketing campaigns and other efforts associated with the launch of major new titles and smart device games, we look for earnings to struggle in 1Q. Our plan is to make up for this starting in 2Q."

So arguably SE needs steady FF14 sub revenue to compensate their expected losses from console gaming and mobile development. I still don't understand why a company of SE's size is deciding it can be a mobile game player (way too much overhead, too many employees to compete with the nimble barebones traditional mobile devs).

BUT the one answer from SE corporate that can be read that a new MMO could be in the works:

"Q: How does your Digital Entertainment segment guidance split between HD Games, MMO, and Games for Smart Devices/PC Browsers?

A: We do not disclose the exact monetary values, so I’ll describe the trends we expect. We look for sales of HD Games to rise given our plans to launch multiple major new titles. It’s likely to be an average year for MMO since we have no expansion pack releases planned. We meanwhile target ¥100 billion in sales of Games for Smart Devices/PC Browsers."

So is that dev money being pocketed or is SE slowing down with FF14 development and may be shifting that money to developing a new MMO? I still think they are hellbent on breaking into mobile, possibly to the detriment of both their big box console and MMO business. We'll see....

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Originally Posted by Auteur

So is that dev money being pocketed or is SE slowing down with FF14 development and may be shifting that money to developing a new MMO? I still think they are hellbent on breaking into mobile, possibly to the detriment of both their big box console and MMO business. We'll see....

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The problem is that Mobile has a very fast development cycle in Japan. I asked someone who lives there and plays a lot of the social media games, and apparently there are hundreds of them that come out every year, and displace previous games in the series. They're literately designed to milk whales for all they got.

http://reboundmobile.com/more-than-1...onths-of-2017/

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Samurai Rising will be one of these games terminating its services. The RPG action game by Square Enix features many elements that Final Fantasy players are familiar with, including the tasks and the action style. As the company is facing difficulties in maintaining a satisfactory service, the game will terminate its service on 14th of July 2017, GamerBraves reports.

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https://mmos.com/news/japanese-playe...ame-no-regrets

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Japanese twitter user * has reportedly spent 15 million Yen (~$131,940) just in the month of July 2017 on the mobile title The Idolm@ster: Million Live! by Bandai Namco. Since then, Bandai Namco has announced that the game would be shut down, with features being disabled starting in December. Surprisingly, power user gun_bus has stated that they "don't particularly have regrets" and that they had already started playing the sequel titled Idol Master Million Live! Theater Days. The game features back offices like theater offices, waiting rooms, and greenrooms where players can 'touch' their favorite idols and play rhythm mini games.

The cynic in me suspects Bandai Namco's decision to shutter the nearly identically named original was primarily done to forcefully migrate whales. Whatever the reason, its clear Theater Days is already a hit. During its per-registration period it surpassed 1 million users and went live on June 29, 2017. To get a sense of what the game is all about, check out the embedded trailer below.

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My personal opinion is that the mobile market has a lifecycle that goes with the device replacement schedule. You get 2 years out of the hardware, and 2 years out of the software. This is largely because the developer has to keep supporting old devices, and Android devices are super-expensive to keep supporting as there's many rubbish ones. All the money to be made in mobile is on the iOS platform. Korea gets more life out of their mobile devices largely because Samsung and LG are their native manufacturers, so it would be a bit off-putting if they don't support their home market developers. Apple is entirely "do it our way, or you're dropped from the store", with developers deciding to drop microtransaction games from the store early that aren't profitable enough.

I really hate how microtransactions have utterly ruined games for that platform and have creeped into desktop/console games. Sure a developer is free to do whatever they want to make it worth developing the game in the first place, but some developers seem intent on a repeat of the games crash of 1983 by pushing out as much crappy, time-wasting-if-you-don't-pay-through-the-nose, games as possible.

I remember all the rumors of another FF MMO before FFXI hit its peak. Hell, those talks were going around before it was released for the PS2. What happened instead was the game's release onto console format, and then it took off even more. How history loves to repeat itself, eh?

No way another FF MMO is coming out until the next gen consoles have a confirmed release date. You can be certain of that.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

The problem is that Mobile has a very fast development cycle in Japan. I asked someone who lives there and plays a lot of the social media games, and apparently there are hundreds of them that come out every year, and displace previous games in the series. They're literately designed to milk whales for all they got.

http://reboundmobile.com/more-than-1...onths-of-2017/


https://mmos.com/news/japanese-playe...ame-no-regrets


My personal opinion is that the mobile market has a lifecycle that goes with the device replacement schedule. You get 2 years out of the hardware, and 2 years out of the software. This is largely because the developer has to keep supporting old devices, and Android devices are super-expensive to keep supporting as there's many rubbish ones. All the money to be made in mobile is on the iOS platform. Korea gets more life out of their mobile devices largely because Samsung and LG are their native manufacturers, so it would be a bit off-putting if they don't support their home market developers. Apple is entirely "do it our way, or you're dropped from the store", with developers deciding to drop microtransaction games from the store early that aren't profitable enough.

I really hate how microtransactions have utterly ruined games for that platform and have creeped into desktop/console games. Sure a developer is free to do whatever they want to make it worth developing the game in the first place, but some developers seem intent on a repeat of the games crash of 1983 by pushing out as much crappy, time-wasting-if-you-don't-pay-through-the-nose, games as possible.

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Agreed. Obviously SE wants to chase the whale dollars now by focusing so much on mobile, but the problem is SE is too big and too bureaucratic to operate at the speed required for the mobile market. Plus it's not what they are known for, they're throwing away decades of brand recognition as a big ticket AAA RPG maker. And good luck SE on doing the downsizing necessary to be efficient for mobile development (Japan doesn't really have a strong union culture but for a company of SE's size to lay off a significant number of people, their rep would be irreparably damaged in Japan due to cultural expectations).

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

games crash of 1983

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Oh wow, we're long overdue for another crash! :D I don't think it will have that much impact now, companies either restrict the consoles/phones and/or the regions. Plus if a region ever get saturated, I really really hope they bring out the region exclusive games to other parts of the world. 80s was the best decade where good games actually competing for quality/innovation despite the saturation. Good competition = Good innovation.

Honestly, anything can be a improvement over FFXIV these days. If a FFXVII MMO does get created, I hope it WON'T have Yoshi-P and his lazy team running the show, have a better story plot (and not some anime-ish story with neverending feeling like Pokemon, Naruto or Bleach) that doesn't keep the story going but instead does what FFXI did and create new stories for each expansion, have better gear longevity (aka FFXI style since we or rather I know FFXIV's gear progression is sh*t and throwawayable with each major patch with a ilvl increase), beginning of the game housing (like FFXI, and not wait 3 YEARS into the game to add apartments) with no limited BS housing, open world activity, exploration and events (like FFXI and not like FFXIV's FATE BS) and more importantly, a BETTER endgame.


The endgame of XIV is nothing but complete repetitve staleness and the content is shallow as hell with no real feeling of a achievement. FFXIV will never have the feeling of achievement nor as great endgame feeling as FFXI (at least for me). At this point, I'd gladly play a new FF MMO and put XIV to rest for something new and better.




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If they do another FF MMO (which will be years from now, YEARS)...Ivalice or bust man. We already have the various races set up and their lore thanks to FFXII, FFTA, and FFTA2. Let's go the distance and go all out with exploring the rest of the world.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

The more I think about it, the more I want it.

It could be set after Tactics A2, which happens after XII and Revenant's Wing but far before the original Tactics.
The players could be wandering hunters/adventurers, who can form their own clans like in Advance and A2 that will work like FCs + Grand Companies.
They could have the original 5 races from Advance starting out (Hume, Banga, Moogle, Viera, and Nu Mou) and add other races with the expansions (like Aegyl, Gria, Seeq, etc).
Jobs could function like in XII: Zodiac Age, where you have a Main Job and a secondary Job, each with a license board shaped like a picture, that you unlock skills, spells, traits, and gear with as you level.

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I agree with this 100%, just look at the race threads, all those races have been mention by numerous people. I also think they are in fact making another mmo we just need some one hawk-eyeing the game patents like they did when rapture was announced. I’m sure they are trying to get into mobile but ultimately they will fail HARD. I also agree with Usho they need new people in there giving a shit about the game and the quality of it even if they are assigned to make it’s flower pot that looks really nice

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

The more I think about it, the more I want it.

It could be set after Tactics A2, which happens after XII and Revenant's Wing but far before the original Tactics.
The players could be wandering hunters/adventurers, who can form their own clans like in Advance and A2 that will work like FCs + Grand Companies.
They could have the original 5 races from Advance starting out (Hume, Banga, Moogle, Viera, and Nu Mou) and add other races with the expansions (like Aegyl, Gria, Seeq, etc).
Jobs could function like in XII: Zodiac Age, where you have a Main Job and a secondary Job, each with a license board shaped like a picture, that you unlock skills, spells, traits, and gear with as you level.

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I agree with this 100%, just look at the race threads, all those races have been mention by numerous people. I also think they are in fact making another mmo we just need some one hawk-eyeing the game patents like they did when rapture was announced. I’m sure they are trying to get into mobile but ultimately they will fail HARD. I also agree with Usho they need new people in there giving a shit about the game and the quality of it even if they are assigned to make a flower pot that looks really nice

Doubt they would make an MMO on mobile. As it may take away from the mobile games like ffbe.

I do think they are working on a new MMO slated for 2021 or 2022

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Originally Posted by Usho

have a better story plot (and not some anime-ish story with neverending feeling like Pokemon, Naruto or Bleach) that doesn't keep the story going but instead does what FFXI did and create new stories for each expansion

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To be fair this is pretty much what the last expansion did, Heavensward's story is pretty inconsequential and self-contained when you look at the big picture, and some would say it's better off for it.