Final Fantasy 14 App

What's the most vile of all of this are the white knights on this forum justifying additional costs for BASIC features relating to a SUBSCRIPTION model game where you also have to BUY the game.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

They've got a long way to go to reach EA levels. Did you already forget about the lootbox issues with Star Wars Battlefront 2, and their long history of shadyness before that?

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Well, ya gotta have aspirations.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

I can see that, yeah. But it adds to the tone deaf-ness we keep seeing with their non Japanese players and goes back to why communication is an issue.

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It does add to that, however they had an extensive exposition about bots issue on the LL and they added a bot section to rmt reports.
Which leads me to believe they do listen and are quick to respond to some topics.
What now I want to know is if the app will be like that in global or not.

Frankly I think that we need to state our distate of the current app system and be very vocal about the problems ESPECIALLY since atm the free one is completely worthless for non jpn players since there are already free programs that allow us to achieve some of those functions.
Not to mention that we must NOT settle for a double size saddlebag behind a premium fee (retainers are already too much imho)

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Originally Posted by Solarra

You appear to be rationalising that there isn't a problem because other companies are greedier and have done worse things. I don't agree.
I am sure there is worse out there, but that doesn't mean this isn't a greedy cash-grab that gives significant advantages to people willing to pay extra.

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Show me, is there really worse then this? intentionally trying to bloat inventory as much as possible (putting currencies as inventory items) etc, only to release pay by month inventory expansions and inventory management who's total is more then what the sub cost of the game is?

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

Show me, is there really worse then this? intentionally trying to bloat inventory as much as possible (putting currencies as inventory items) etc, only to release pay by month inventory expansions and inventory management who's total is more then what the sub cost of the game is?

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Well... technically speaking, it's still slightly better than lootbox especially with how well RNG works in XIV. Not saying I agree with SE's actions, but it could get even worst.

Before its seen that I am only hating I will just give my idea of an acceptable version of this app:

First for me, premium felt fine if it was done to make something faster or give a bit more options.

So the free version should have been:

- Chat
- Event planner
- Inventory management for all parts (inventory, retainer, saddlebag, armory)

And 1 Free retainer.

I would call this the APP storage retainer. It would only exist in the app and at least in the free version cant be used to sell something. Its used to store more items and thus give us more space.

Kupo Nuts are still one per day but instead of using them for the MB you will use them to sent that APP storage retainer onto special ventures. You have one venture that need 1 kupo nut that will just be like the fast ones in the game and you have a special venture that need 7 nuts (thus one week of logging in) and that can bring you quite the rare items from the game. This way there is nothing completely exclusive to the app thus does not make it necessary to have it but people can still gain something from that. It could be pets, orchestrion rolls, rare mats. These can then be transfered to the real retainers and either used by yourself or sold.

The MB does not need nuts but instead you have a maxium amount of changes you can do per day. Maybe 10 or maybe 20. This includes price changes, selling and purchasing items. This way it makes the app more useful for the MB but would not be too much to destroy it.

You might question where they will get their money from if we can already do that for free!

Premium one:

Instead of one nut you will get 4 kupo nuts per day. This way you can already sent your special retainer to the extra venture on the second day and more often per week instead of having to wait a whole one to send it once. That means more chances to get rare stuff thus more gil. You can also raise the MB interactions thus for example making it double the amount you can do for free. So if you are into this kind of MB war you can get into it a bit more often if you pay for it.

And maybe some more smaller changes for those that pay.

This way people that pay do have an advantage but at least everyone that owns the app have the same basic functions and just need more time to do stuff.

It's not much better a premium mode that way will have more special ventures than a free one.
Frankly the premium fee shouldn't have been a thing at all

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Originally Posted by Remedi

It's not much better a premium mode that way will have more special ventures than a free one.
Frankly the premium fee shouldn't have been a thing at all

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But imo way better than having more space, one additional retainer that you can buy and the complete retainer management behind it. With a bit of more nuts and more numbers that you can access the MB you will just get some small advantages over the ones that dont pay. Kinda lika lot of APP games let you pay for more energy or to unlock stuff. (AKA make things faster)

I agree that in a good world it should have been completely free. But sadly SE seems to get money out of everything.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

But imo way better than having more space, one additional retainer that you can buy and the complete retainer management behind it. With a bit of more nuts and more numbers that you can access the MB you will just get some small advantages over the ones that dont pay. Kinda lika lot of APP games let you pay for more energy or to unlock stuff. (AKA make things faster)

I agree that in a good world it should have been completely free. But sadly SE seems to get money out of everything.

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Retainers where close to the line already with P2W concepts behind them (being able to list more items, more retainers = easier to price change, meaning if you put clone item on 2 different retainers, and rotate between them to always have a listing... and more retainers means more space to do this on different items..) this app though def crossed the line.

A sub based model should not have ANY P2W in it, (the worst a sub model should have is exp/leveling potions) this app is really shady.. .. going back to this:

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

intentionally trying to bloat inventory as much as possible (putting currencies as inventory items) etc, only to release pay by month inventory expansions and inventory management who's total is more then what the sub cost of the game is?

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

Well... technically speaking, it's still slightly better than lootbox especially with how well RNG works in XIV. Not saying I agree with SE's actions, but it could get even worst.

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coming soon, a service for the app that makes you pay 10 dollars a month where you do a daily roll for mounts, savage gear, etc...

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Originally Posted by Alleo

But imo way better than having more space, one additional retainer that you can buy and the complete retainer management behind it. With a bit of more nuts and more numbers that you can access the MB you will just get some small advantages over the ones that dont pay. Kinda lika lot of APP games let you pay for more energy or to unlock stuff. (AKA make things faster)

I agree that in a good world it should have been completely free. But sadly SE seems to get money out of everything.

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I insist that if we keep our voice High we might be getting heard.

Look to the steam port of Chrono Trigger.
PPl hated it and they patched it

That makes me think that they can hear and comply to requests

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

coming soon, a service for the app that makes you pay 10 dollars a month where you do a daily roll for mounts, savage gear, etc...

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"Please look forward to it!" ™

I wouldn't be around to see that day as my sub expires tomorrow, I'm just here to season my popcorn if you get what I meant.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Frankly the premium fee shouldn't have been a thing at all

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This ^

I'm sorry Alleo, I do agree your version would be better, but I still wouldn't support it.
I just don't agree with Square offering a two tier system of the App that requires us to pay more money to access all the features. At this point it does feel like the company is managing to 'have it's cake and eat it'. We pay a sub but we also pay for basic features like storage and now inventory management.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Before its seen that I am only hating I will just give my idea of an acceptable version of this app:

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Dunno... people not using the app would be at a disadvantage and you would have to keep this chore up every day to get extra stuff and constantly use the app to have access to the stuff on the retainer, at least right now I don't have to care about the paid MB thing because I can easily bypass it by just logging in and using the MB normally.

Basically, not using the app in it's current form doesn't really hurt me in any way that I can't fix myself. I mean I guess most people might not mind having to check the app multiple times a day to get free stuff (I'm so tired of venture/garrison/order hall daily chores) and move stuff around but I'm sure there might be others that might not want to deal with it. Free stuff is still free stuff.

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Originally Posted by Solarra

This ^

I'm sorry Alleo, I do agree your version would be better, but I still wouldn't support it.

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Haha dont worry. It was more of an lesser devil kind of idea anyway.

@Vaer: You do kinda "lose" with the real app too since you cant have the between retainer management and you kinda lose 70 more inventory spaces thanks to the chocobo saddlebag increase. And since we dont know how we will be able to use the moogle coins..who knows if that wont allow us to suddenly change the MB quite more.

But yeah my idea was more of a: If they need a paid part make it at least way less usefull then the one right now. In the end a complete free app should have been the way to go. (Like WoW did)

I just wanted an App where I could manage my retainer ventures and list more items on the MB. Why does SE have to take this simple idea and twist it into this freemium nightmare?

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Haha dont worry. It was more of an lesser devil kind of idea anyway.

@Vaer: You do kinda "lose" with the real app too since you cant have the between retainer management and you kinda lose 70 more inventory spaces thanks to the chocobo saddlebag increase. And since we dont know how we will be able to use the moogle coins..who knows if that wont allow us to suddenly change the MB quite more.

But yeah my idea was more of a: If they need a paid part make it at least way less usefull then the one right now. In the end a complete free app should have been the way to go. (Like WoW did)

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The extra inventory space I'm actually not too offended about. They usually charge for it (on XI actually they did the exact same thing, they give you some mog wardrobe space then they sell extra ones and at one point you had to have a physical authenticator (this was a one time payment though) to get access to another bag in XI), I'm actually surprised we even got the first set of it with no extra charge actually. I can just login to mess with my retainers though if that's what you mean by retainer management. Sure it's slightly more annoying since you have to be at a bell, but it falls down to convenience for me in the end.

Basically other than the inventory space all the stuff in the app you can do yourself (even if it's a bit more annoying) by just logging in unless I'm missing something so to me it comes down to convenience.

Your proposal has things locked to the app that gives you extra items for the game, so I see that as quite different.

Anyways, they are being quite strict about the MB but for good reason. You could load this app into an emulator and do unsavory things to put it lightly so they are being cautious about it.

I do think the kupo nut MTx is unnecessary if they have a sub fee on it though but they definitely need to throttle the MB feature in some way.

The problem is the info isn't all out, my opinion might change once they release all of it.

And with next Expansion XIV become F2P. This app is unacceptable I'll accept the free stuff. But premium? No.

And don't forget the P2W style freemium app will get even more freemium functions later with the coins.
They mentioned it in the Live Letter. More milking is due to come.
Expect more IAPs.

When i see all the hate here, i sure wish the last april's fools would have been that to have a good laugh at peope taking it seriously :

"Do you find pvp and savage too hard, and being top ranked on fflogs impossible to do ? Buy these awesome objects to not be scratched while you do awesome damage !"

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...16243-p2w1.png

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...16258-p2w2.png

"Is 1% chance of succeeding in upgrading your eureka item too low, and 9% of it downgrading and 90% breaking and losing it forever too much ? Buy these awesome amulets to nullify the last two pourcentages, and having the first one making a big jump !"

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...16269-p2w3.png

Kinda surprised that nobody already told that the free version of the app is p2w as well, because it is locked behind the purchase of a phone. That's not fair for people not having one.

I didnt watch the live letter. When is this app suppose to be coming out?

I'm going to reserve my judgment on the whole free vs premium when they officially announce the exact differences between both (live letters are subject to change and often don't include all details).

If all that really differs is the whole kupo nut for market board, then it's not much of an issue to me because I primarily want the app for the retainer to retainer transfer.
If the retainer to retainer transfer is premium, I'll be very annoyed.

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Originally Posted by Squintina

I'm going to reserve my judgment on the whole free vs premium when they officially announce the exact differences between both (live letters are subject to change and often don't include all details).

If all that really differs is the whole kupo nut for market board, then it's not much of an issue to me because I primarily want the app for the retainer to retainer transfer.
If the retainer to retainer transfer is premium, I'll be very annoyed.

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they already stated thats premium.

https://puu.sh/A2T5E/f8e0773939.jpg

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

they already stated thats premium.

https://puu.sh/A2T5E/f8e0773939.jpg

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Bah.

Not downloading it then >.>

To watch companies get that desperate for all our money... to think anti-consumer dumpster fires like this app got off the ground with horse armor and the option to fix bugs post launch on consoles.

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I agree with you on this. Regardless people will still buy it. People are tripping maybe SE just want to say premium to get a raise out of people. Trust me when i say give it a day or so people will bitch and complain about something else.
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There go my dreams of creating a slave moogle empire.

Adding that I'm not completely against the idea of premium. Just of features that are exclusive for premium. Having extra kupo nuts for premium I can live with. same with an increase MB transaction limit. That's why I don't mind things like buying extra retainers because we still have the included retainers.

But having a feature that's premium only , like the retainer management, feels like an insult because this app is only valuable for actual players, which means those "free" users are already paying for subs and expansions.

Premium for "extra" = I can tolerate it
Premium for "only" = no thank you

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Originally Posted by Xiomara

I just wanted an App where I could manage my retainer ventures and list more items on the MB. Why does SE have to take this simple idea and twist it into this freemium nightmare?

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Because they need to over complicate everything. That seems to be the XIV way. Never an elegant solution when there's a clunky monstrosity with multiple currencies instead.

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Originally Posted by LunarLunatic

I didnt watch the live letter. When is this app suppose to be coming out?

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It might be during 4.3 release or sometime after.

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Originally Posted by LunarLunatic

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I agree with you on this. Regardless people will still buy it. People are tripping maybe SE just want to say premium to get a raise out of people. Trust me when i say give it a day or so people will bitch and complain about something else.
https://puu.sh/A2T5E/f8e0773939.jpg

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Sorry but there is no way around it. It's a freemium service on top of an already sub based game (+cost of the expansions and base game).
The obligation to log in every day to get just 1 coin and a paid tier which somewhat pricey as well is what you would expect from a Nexon made mobile game.
And they already said they will expand the freemium features of this app.
Fact is that half of obtainable storage of this game is locked behind a paywall. A guy on this thread did the math on how many exactly inventory slots are locked behind paywalls and the result hurts.
And all of this crap on top of an already overpriced Mog Station with items you would expect from a F2P game and not from a buy to play + sub based game.
As for the Mog Station most of the items there should have been obtainable in game from Quests, Boss drops and Achievements.
The items there also sneakily became more expensive over time and they even removed the ability to be account wide. Now they are character only.
Stop trying to get around it and sweeten the poison.

Well - not using the app at all - gives me 0 value and the whole premium thing - just an extra incentive to never use it.

Hey, I finally found something that makes me glad to be a Windows Phone user! :D




Nobody loves Windows Phone users... :(

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Originally Posted by WaffleFaerie

Hey, I finally found something that makes me glad to be a Windows Phone user! :D




Nobody loves Windows Phone users... :(

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o.o

Those still exist?

*Mind blown*

Guys, this is an april fools joke.

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Originally Posted by mikanana

Guys, this is an april fools joke.

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They already pulled their April fools joke on April fools. This is not it.

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Originally Posted by mikanana

Guys, this is an april fools joke.

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If only.... I'd trade this to have the FFXIV GO thing in it's place. The amount of cringe that exists in this app completely sours any positive vibe the rest of the 4.3 content would have given.

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Originally Posted by Squintina

o.o

Those still exist?

*Mind blown*

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Oh yes they still exist. I have my Windows Phone on my wireless charger right now.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

If only.... I'd trade this to have the FFXIV GO thing in it's place. The amount of cringe that exists in this app completely sours any positive vibe the rest of the 4.3 content would have given.

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And that is so true too. I was so excited when I realized how much content was slated for 4.3/4.35, and then realizing that the one part of the app I looked forward to was premium-only made me so sad I almost forgot how excited I was about everything else!

So I'm trying to keep reminding myself of all the stuff 4.3/4.35 is bringing:
Release: Late May 2018 (yay in 5-6 weeks).
New MSQ. (I wanna know what happens next dammit)
New Sidequests (4 lords, Doman reconstruction,Hildibrand).
New instances (1 dungeon, 1 trial , 1 extreme trial , 1 ultimate, alliance raid, deep dungeon lvl 60+ 100 floors, Eureka Pagos - so much! And the new deep dungeon being difficult starting on floor 31 makes me wonder what type of difficulty this will be!).
Raid roulette with Alexander raids.
Beast Tribe (Namazu - crafting and gathering).
New custom deliveries NPC. Crafting/gathering side story related to alliance raid somehow (sounds interesting).
Glamour updates: can reclaim items from glamour dresser.
Job adjustments: DRK, SAM, AST (curious about that last one. I hope it's a weak instant damage spell similar to SCH ruin II so we have a real option for weaving our 15 ogcds when no hot/dot need refreshing and lightspeed isn't up).
Housing update: guestbook, mannequin.
Crossworld linkshell.

So what's the maximum monthly subscription you can pay for this game now? $30?

People compare this game to F2P, but even a lot of skeevy F2P MMOs will just outright sell you a bank tab. The amount of nickel and diming here makes F2P MMOs look like the good guys.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

So what's the maximum monthly subscription you can pay for this game now? $30?

People compare this game to F2P, but even a lot of skeevy F2P MMOs will just outright sell you a bank tab. The amount of nickel and diming here makes F2P MMOs look like the good guys.

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12.99 € for me and 7 retainers would be.. 9.8, 22.79, thats 28 usd +5 =33 dollars. idk sub costs and such in usd.

it really does, im stunned at all these basic features being a monthly cost. This point the sub cost should be dropped completely while getting money from the retainer service and apps, like other f2p games would do? idk it just seems off trying to charge a sub fee for a f2p model