Eureka is meant for casual players.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Well then because we don't really want to take forever to kill stuff or being completely useless when we do some group content for exemple.
I'll take WoW as an exemple. We don't need mythic gear but we want more than crappy green-bleues.

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I mean, if we're gonna copy WoW, you don't get max ilevel gear just for facerolling your daily heroic and doing LFR weekly for an arbitrary upgrade item. You'll get DECENT gear, but you won't get max ilevel gear like you get in FFXIV (barring Titanforging which is awful and is being de facto removed in BfA).

At any rate, I did this Eureka thing today and it was...basically what everyone described it as. Some friends and I grouped up as wee level 1s, found some crabs and started grinding our nuts off. When a NM spawned, we risked life and limb and the chance of being one-shot to get there and get the only meaningful exp rewards we saw all evening (which was actually exciting IMO, I liked that part somewhat). When we got to NMs, everyone lagged like crazy because LOL SE SERVER CAPABILITY and about half of us got one-shot from people mob-training into the NM. Fortunately we grouped with some higher level friends for the NMs (who were grinding mobs as a group in a higher level area of the map) so we got full credit and some handy raises.

Basically, the danger element was fun, but the NMs had no discernable mechanics I could see because it was a clown fiesta of sparkles and lighting effects and they were mostly zerged down hunt-style without much ado. The interim between NM spawns was absurdly tedious and frankly, not worth mine or anyone's time, even with the toned-down version of an elemental wheel.

Just to point out also. If you die at 20, and are not raised, you will delevel. They put NO exp buffer in place once you hit max. It probably wouldn't be an issue if not for the monsters you needing to grind at that point always being 5 levels over you and in incredibly large numbers. I seriously doubt wipes aren't going to be uncommon.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

Did I get your main point though? like to be sure.

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Pretty much. Gear choices should be closer than what they are basically. The game needs more alternative approaches to gearing up closer to BiS. Raids shouldn't be the end game. They should be an optional end game.

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Originally Posted by Conando

Just to point out also. If you die at 20, and are not raised, you will delevel. They put NO exp buffer in place once you hit max. It probably wouldn't be an issue if not for the monsters you needing to grind at that point always being 5 levels over you and in incredibly large numbers. I seriously doubt wipes aren't going to be uncommon.

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You only de level if you release, like anything just get raised and you're fine. When a lot more people hit 20 it won't be such an issue, people will faceroll the mobs and whatnot easy, on the other hand getting Pazuzu? to spawn for the feathers is probably going to be a nightmare.

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A casual player can get better gear on a shorter timeline by capping tomestones every week. Eureka's gear caps at 350 - gues what, tomestone is 360.
We're 6 weeks into 4.2 ... collecting a 350 set from sigmascape takes 5 weeks!

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Thats the problem I have with it. I am one week away from my getting my 360 weapon, which makes Euraka outdated before it even really had a time to start. If they want to make it more appealing. Make the top upgrade 365 .... then the carrot will be be hunted.

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Originally Posted by Aniond

Thats the problem I have with it. I am one week away from my getting my 360 weapon, which makes Euraka outdated before it even really had a time to start. If they want to make it more appealing. Make the top upgrade 365 .... then the carrot will be be hunted.

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Yeah, that really is the kicker. How is it casual when pretty much ANYONE can do expert and Kefka Normal, and you get gear that's already better than this by doing so for a few hours a week. That seems a lot more casual to me than grinding out trash to spawn NMs that you have to do for hours A DAY to see any tangible progress.

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

It's really not, to be honest. I've never been really interested in the relic grind at all, and aside from Savage raiding there's nothing else that I really feel like doing. I'm not unsubbing because I don't like Eureka (I don't know how you came to that conclusion in the first place), I'm temporarily snubbing because right now I feel like I'm paying to log on and do chores. I'm still standing by my original statement though, it doesn't look "fun" enough to warrant being the only reason to keep my sub going.

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Well to each their own so long as you at least have seen what Eureka can be like and not gone completely off hearsay, the latter of which is not recommended as your opinion on something can differ once you've witnessed it firsthand as opposed to the testimony of others. Also I had the notion you were implying Eureka played a role in your unsubbing so my apologies for jumping to conclusions there.

When it came out and I saw the first reaction on the forum and reddit, as expected it was something super grindy. With my FC, we decided that we might do it once or twice per week. In the end we've been there everyday and don't notice the time pass. Grinding for a full lockout on the first day (saw 2 NM spawn yeah), and then fooling around on the other days, following the fate train or spliting up from it to get lower NM when they go to area that are too high level for us. That place is great for us because we are 6 and we can all go together. Before that, for dungeons we have to either split or leave someone behind and do it again with them later, for raids we have to take the PF gamble. So it's actually an interesting change for us.

The fate train is a bit boring, but once we figured out they didn't bother with spawning the lower level one (we are lower level than the average in the train) we decide to spawn them ourself. It feels nice to get them to pop before the train pops the one the are trying to and it can be an adventure to reach the higher level fates by ourselves sometimes :D

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Even Casuals dont like it. Especially those, who only have 1-2 hours for FFXIV a day.
Forgot World First Bahamut Ultimate statics, PotD Solo 200 and TOP 10 Feast players... grinding Eureka for a full gearset is hardcore! Not casual.

Its game design is awful and boring. Yes, even for casuals. When it comes to "better gear", I highly suggest to ANY player to buy the tome gear instead. Its much better and took alot less effort than Eureka.

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As someone who has tried for POTD 200 solo (and gotten very close), I'm still waiting for them to realize that just because someone CAN do it doesn't mean they shouldn't nerf it and make it possible with ALL classes.

Same thing with Eureka. Just because you 'can' do it doesn't mean it's fun. Well at least you don't lose all your progress JUST FOR DCING.

Also I hate Eureka and I usually do like hardcore stuff. It's just for the people who like mindless grind.

I Despise Eureka I much preferred the old way of getting relics so much more enjoyable.

Casual gamers don't like really high levels of grind either due to the only difference between "Casual" and "hardcore" being the amount of time dedicated to playing the game. Still Eureka isnt that bad.

Casual content doesn’t mean boring gameplay. There are tons of casual games that are simple and fun. Doesn’t seem like the developers put any thought in Eureka. It’s uninspired and has absolutely no creativity behind it that isn’t already in the game.

I personally don’t think the developers can do anything that is different from the core game machanic. No matter what they add it won’t be new because the they always use what’s already in the game.

This game will continue to be like this until they pull the plug. You will never see anything new that isn’t already in the core design.

Why not add airship bombing raids in eureka? Where every player can bomb the monsters from their flying mounts. Maybe add the ability to become stronger with each chin kill and larger in size, visually, Like a 20 foot lalafell. Random power ups that change your character visually and boost your attacks. Perhaps a power up that lets the players turn into monsters like deep dungeon and become over powered. Add potions to the eureka merchant that allows you to buy all kinds of silly power ups. Add tons of loot boxes that drop from kills. Add random appearing chest all over the map, tons of them. Add random monster allies that help you after you defeated them. Add element effect to the ground itself. Like water changing to poison or lava that hurt the monsters and players alike. Adding random effects to the combat in eureka would of made it a lot better. Sound silly, but at least I would be having fun with the quirkiness.

Sure with power ups the monsters would be dying faster, but you can aways balance it out by making the XP higher.

I would definitely enjoy it with these features. Things like this would keep people playing no matter how grindy it may be.

Finished Eureka gear in the same week of patch.
More please, cuz that was too easy.

And they made it to drop your BiS for Ultimate raid so the hard core raiders are force to do it as well, genius!!!

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Even Casuals dont like it. Especially those, who only have 1-2 hours for FFXIV a day.
Its game design is awful and boring. Yes, even for casuals. When it comes to "better gear", I highly suggest to ANY player to buy the tome gear instead. Its much better and took alot less effort than Eureka.

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As a casual player, seconding this. ^ It's too monotonous and time-consuming so I don't bother with it. Personally, I just do tomes, sigma, rab & rid. Like Caitlyn says here.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Casual content doesn’t mean boring gameplay.

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Also seconding this, though I do understand what OP is getting at. They specifically want savage raids, ex primals, etc., but I still wouldn't call "casual content" as monotonous, cuz, basically, everything not savage/ex would be "casual content." Personally, I wouldn't call raids like Rid and Rab monotonous as they do take a few wipes to get a grasp on, and they are fun to do. Eureka... is not fun.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

Casual gamers don't like really high levels of grind either...

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Disagreeing with this statement. Some casuals may not enjoy grinding, but plenty of others do grind - just minus certain content like savages.

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

Finished Eureka gear in the same week of patch.
More please, cuz that was too easy.

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There is nothing difficult about Eureka. I think you are confusing 'time consuming' with "difficulty.'