So glamour plates are dumber than anticipated...

i have now learnt this when the system didn't warn me i was trying to put in a item saved to a gear set while i was fussing the cat (my own fault a bit yes) and now one of my main hands gone =3= thanks for now warning pop up though se

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I welcome the glamour dresser with open arms. it's about time something like this was implemented. I don't like how it destroys items that you put in either....sounds like an unnecessary step to me.

By the way why is no-one complaining about the class restrictions on glamours? For example as a warrior I want to put on a body piece restricted to black mage... I find it mildly infuriating that I can't even though it's in the glamour dresser.
It's 2018 for crying out loud. There shouldn't BE class restrictions for items turned into glamour. there are no class restrictions on converted items in rival games such as:

1. World of Warcraft
2. Guild Wars 2
3. RIFT
4. Blade and Soul
5. Aion... ah what the heck, the list can go on forever.
So why does FF14 have it? to be a nuisance ?

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Because it would look really bad in my opinion, for example, to see a tank doing his job while wearing a healer's set!...

Class restrictions on glamours are fine by me and I hope SE never changes that!...

I can't believe they made a good system that worked well... bad. Why change it at all then!

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Because it would look really bad in my opinion, for example, to see a tank doing his job while wearing a healer's set!...

Class restrictions on glamours are fine by me and I hope SE never changes that!...

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Completely respect your opinion here :), but I would love it if there was more freedom with fashion...like basically all triple A mmos out now. A pally or warrior can already be a half naked tribesman cat-person if they wanted to, so the sets you consider weird already exist. I'm only asking SE to EXPAND further fashion sets. I would love it if my healing classes were able to use glamour sets from other disciples of magic like the lvl 50 PVP sets. Still casting gear right?

If the only reason you don't want these class restrictions lifted is visual pollution, then I'm sorry but that's not enough for me :)
My immersion is already broken after seeing cat-people tanking dungeons and raids half naked with that moogle outfit LOL

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Because it would look really bad in my opinion, for example, to see a tank doing his job while wearing a healer's set!...

Class restrictions on glamours are fine by me and I hope SE never changes that!...

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I've never really understood this argument. As is it, we already have plate gear that healers can wear, skirts for tanks, not to mention bikinis, chocobo suits, emperor's new outfit glamours, bunny suits, snowman, ghosts, and a ton of other things that make absolutely no sense for characters to be going into battle wearing. This game does not really seem to worry too much about keeping things realistic. What is the harm of being able to share gear between the classes? Party roles are clearly marked in a party list and weapons/skill animations make it clear what job a person is on. :X

This is pretty dumb setup but i'm wondering if it's a bug. I tried this with my BLM and RDM for an example. Both share the 340 gear. I decided to glamour both independently to their respective 290 gear and save to the gearset. Now /gearset and pull up the gearset list you'll notice that via preview AND the "display set" it actually says both my BLM and RDM are set up in their job gear but when swapping of corse it does not and you have to click on the plate and set the plate you want to it.

Wait - the good old glamour system we had, is it still available AS WELL as the new system? Haven't been ingame since patch yet.

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I've never really understood this argument. As is it, we already have plate gear that healers can wear, skirts for tanks, not to mention bikinis, chocobo suits, emperor's new outfit glamours, bunny suits, snowman, ghosts, and a ton of other things that make absolutely no sense for characters to be going into battle wearing. This game does not really seem to worry too much about keeping things realistic. What is the harm of being able to share gear between the classes? Party roles are clearly marked in a party list and weapons/skill animations make it clear what job a person is on. :X

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THANK YOU!!! this is exactly what i am thinking :))) especially now that there is a glamour plate / glamour dresser system, one of the logical steps forward is to unlock class restrictions ONCE the item is placed into the dresser

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Originally Posted by illgot

Being Japanese I'll say this... look up japanese firearms in WW2. They were often overly complex and worse than much simpler western firearms. The japanese have a tendency to over complicate simple things. I had this issue growing up in america but I adapted and learn to edit my ideas a lot.

The current outfit system is trash. It is overly complicated, lacks intuitiveness, and just doesn't do what the players want.

It reminds me of the firearms in WW2.

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It's not just the Japanese that do this. My relatives do this as well. It's called making an easy job hard. It's gotten to the point were I don't want to work with them at all anymore.

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Originally Posted by Leowilde

Wait - the good old glamour system we had, is it still available AS WELL as the new system? Haven't been ingame since patch yet.

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Yes. The new system isn’t separate in the end, it’s essentially a quick method of applying multiple glamours to your current gear.

That’s also why class restrictions still apply - once the glamour is applied from the plate, it’s just the same as if it was applied manually, with the same rules determining whether it is seen or not.

I really only have two big problems with it.

1.) The restriction on some items that can go in. I tested it out with Leonheart and some of of my relic weapons and you can't put them into it which means I have to keep the gear sets on my hotbar. As for the relic, it took my Zeta but not some of the others like Lux which is strange.

2.) I was REALLY hoping that they would lift some of the class restrictions when it came to this. I can understand weapon since it would just look pure strange but I don't see why I couldn't have my paladin running around in that skin tight black machinist top or something else from another class.

Maybe it will change in the future if enough people say something but I find it easier to stick with the old system at the moment.

Edit: Looked at another post and someone said you can use the armoire to help with getting some of those items.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I'm just waiting for an update in a future patch where the glamour dresser no longer destroys the gear you glam, and the ensuing rage.

I don't think anything was mentioned about this new system overwriting current glamours, so it took me by surprise. I was ready to nuke one set despite being 60 4-star gear I crafted, but I'll be damned if I nuke my raid drops.

Looks like for the time being, I'll be sitting out with this new feature until it's improved

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Yep, definitely not putting my $18.00 carbuncle ensemble into the dresser. It's meant for replaceable gear like the Survivalist set or my White Mage get up.

The way I see it, the glamour dresser is an interesting adjunct to the existing glamour system; but, I'm not going to use it heavily.

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Originally Posted by Ruinfeild

1.) The restriction on some items that can go in. I tested it out with Leonheart and some of of my relic weapons and you can't put them into it which means I have to keep the gear sets on my hotbar. As for the relic, it took my Zeta but not some of the others like Lux which is strange.

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Because Lux is top tier right now, if they let you put that in, you wouldn't be able to continue the relic weapon. So since people don't read the "OMG THIS IS A REALLY BAD IDEA" prompts.. you just can't.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Because it would look really bad in my opinion, for example, to see a tank doing his job while wearing a healer's set!...

Class restrictions on glamours are fine by me and I hope SE never changes that!...

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really, because all I can see are a constant stream of wierd flashing colours. There are so many combat effects that you don't actually see what anyone is wearing. And if you think a tank in a healing outfit is bad, what about a tank wearing a pig mascot head and bikini? The "feel" of the game is no longer as stringent as it was.

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Originally Posted by illgot

really, because all I can see are a constant stream of wierd flashing colours. There are so many combat effects that you don't actually see what anyone is wearing. And if you think a tank in a healing outfit is bad, what about a tank wearing a pig mascot head and bikini? The "feel" of the game is no longer as stringent as it was.

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I still vote for an option to make everyone on your own client a "standard" glamour, like the squadron was. No more hula girl and bananahammock guy shenanigans in my dungeons..

It is as dumb as I expected and people kept telling me "wait for the patch"
yeah ok

also needing to go to the inn and not even be able go to your house???

Also you can't glam from the saddlebag to the dresser or glam from the saddlebag.

give us a real glam log or more real space.

I hate needing to go to the inn for this, i cant cast glams the old way since we only got 10 plates as I work on things, it is so infuriating, how do they screw up something so simple this badly?

All I want is to wear disciple of hand/land gear..
I can understand not wearing the regular disciple of war/magic job gear but disciple of land/hand? No one levels those to show off glamour

I was very annoyed when I figured out that I couldn't remove the Plate I tested, which meant I lost my previous glamous (which cost me some expensive dyes). I'm trying to think hard of what kind of good use this system might have, but I can't see any. It just destroys items and makes it a bit difficult and troublesome to mix items that you converted with items you didn't convert. I'm personally not going to use it at all, at least at its current state.

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I was very annoyed when I figured out that I couldn't remove the Plate I tested, which meant I lost my previous glamous (which cost me some expensive dyes). I'm trying to think hard of what kind of good use this system might have, but I can't see any. It just destroys items and makes it a bit difficult and troublesome to mix items that you converted with items you didn't convert. I'm personally not going to use it at all, at least at its current state.

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Say you have a "Look" you like for your main job. But every time you upgrade you have to go get a prism, find your source item, glamour the new thing, then store the source item again. Now you just have a plate for ANY part of it you change.


Also, if you have BLM SMN and RDM you can have a plate for each one, and while yes you have to be in town, you CAN have a separate look whenever you switch classes. You can actually macro the job change with the plate change. Currently this has a downside in that you are actually changing the glamour on the item and overwriting the old, but if you have the Old look on another plate you can switch back. You can also use your premium dyes on the actual items in the dresser or on the plates themselves, re-applying them with every new plate or application of a plate.

So, I sorta get the hesitancy on the whole "destroys your items" deal. Don't get me wrong, I hesitated putting some stuff in. And some of you glamour pros maybe have better reasonings for it, maybe I haven't fully explored this yet.
But, honestly, what are you losing by destroying an item you will only ever use for glamour? It stays in the dresser (unless you perma-remove and destroy it), to my knowledge, you can still apply dyes (right? surely it still works). Has anyone tested whether you can use plates to have the same item dyed different ways for different plates?

I feel like, functionally, except for the actual 200 item restriction, it's still effectively the same. Instead of clogging up 200 inventory slots, they give you this method that says "hey, if you're just keeping this for glamour, this dresser can hold all those items and you can do basically all the same stuff."

Maybe it's just a case of, if 200 slots isn't nearly enough for you, and you're a "glamour is the true end game" type, this wasn't something made with you in mind. Maybe that was a mistake. But I think maybe it's worth acknowledging that on a small scale, it works for what it is, right?

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

also needing to go to the inn and not even be able go to your house???

I hate needing to go to the inn for this, i cant cast glams the old way since we only got 10 plates as I work on things...

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you don't have to go to an inn to use glamour plates, you just need to go there to add stuff to your armoire. also the old glamour system is still in place (and actually more efficient, is no one gonna praise SE for further simplifying glamour prisms?)

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

So, I sorta get the hesitancy on the whole "destroys your items" deal. Don't get me wrong, I hesitated putting some stuff in. And some of you glamour pros maybe have better reasonings for it, maybe I haven't fully explored this yet.
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yeah, it kinda beats having to keep making prisms over and over again. that being said I don't feel like using it too often, but for people who prefer using consistent outfits this is actually a pretty good system.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

But, honestly, what are you losing by destroying an item you will only ever use for glamour? It stays in the dresser (unless you perma-remove and destroy it), to my knowledge, you can still apply dyes (right? surely it still works). Has anyone tested whether you can use plates to have the same item dyed different ways for different plates?

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Right now the only thing you are losing is the ability to put it on your retainer and Adventure Squad members. Retainer is the largest concern of the two for me since I set them up around my house to make it look busy outside.

Excluding the destruction of items that your retainers and AS members can use, it's just a horrible system. It's overly complex and doesn't actually do what we want.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

So, I sorta get the hesitancy on the whole "destroys your items" deal. Don't get me wrong, I hesitated putting some stuff in. And some of you glamour pros maybe have better reasonings for it, maybe I haven't fully explored this yet.
But, honestly, what are you losing by destroying an item you will only ever use for glamour? It stays in the dresser (unless you perma-remove and destroy it), to my knowledge, you can still apply dyes (right? surely it still works). Has anyone tested whether you can use plates to have the same item dyed different ways for different plates?
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This system solves pretty much every one of my problems. I can make my looks and redo them whenever I upgrade and spend NO additional catalysts. It removes the items I use solely for glamour from my usable inventory and frees up slots for mats, items and leveling gear.
I've messed with the dyes and yes, you can dye the item IN the dresser inventory or in the plate itself.. or even AFTER you've used the plate if you're odd like that.

yeah I can see more spaces being nice, but right now I've glamoured everything I was holding for its appearance and used all of 130 slots. A lot of these items I glamoured are purchasable off the calamity salvager and if i need the space it's super easy to "destroy" them from the dresser and retrieve them later for a minimal gil investment.

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Originally Posted by illgot

Right now the only thing you are losing is the ability to put it on your retainer and Adventure Squad members. Retainer is the largest concern of the two for me since I set them up around my house to make it look busy outside.

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There is a workaround for this.
Make a plate with what you want to glamour your retainer with. Remove the armor from your retainer and wear it yourself.. apply the plate.. put the gear back on your retainer. Voila.

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Originally Posted by Nihility

or say you want to use the same armor for both and just glamour the weapons.
It appears the blank slot in the glamor plate works by stripping the glamor off whatever was there so screwed again

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no it doesn't. A blank slot applies no glamour. My glamoured samurai weapon stayed an ice katana even with a blank space.

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Originally Posted by Nihility

and stuff like armoire gear getting destroyed permanently just feels bad, that gear already has a home =(

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Armoire gear is accessible directly through the dresser with no modification..


I don't think you actually used the system.

i messed around a bit with some cheap vendor stuff.

it does have some serious limitations that make me hesitant to use it with any gear i really value.
Like the 10 plate thing didn't seem bad at all until i saw how it functions.

Like say you use 2 different tanks.
you decide you'll use normal glamour prisms for one and a plate for the other.
well, tough luck. Whenever you switch to the plate one it overwrites all your standard glamours permanently

or say you want to use the same armor for both and just glamour the weapons.
It appears the blank slot in the glamor plate works by stripping the glamor off whatever was there so screwed again

on the plus side since it overwrites glamours permanently you can do your retainers just by putting the gear on yourself and using a plate

and stuff like armoire gear getting destroyed permanently just feels bad, that gear already has a home =(

if the thing had like 1000+ slots and 30+ plates i would be more comfortable with it i think but even still the gone forever thing bothers me

All they would really need to do to fix this is make it a toggle like on neverwinter. You can either view the plate or your original gearset with its original glams. Then add a check box or toggle for whether the selected plate is for the current job, role, or all. Done. Make this happen, SE.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Because it would look really bad in my opinion, for example, to see a tank doing his job while wearing a healer's set!...

Class restrictions on glamours are fine by me and I hope SE never changes that!...

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Because it looks any less silly when a tank wears a bikini?

https://i.imgur.com/nRxL7j7.jpg?2

Truly am I ready for battle!

Outside Artifact gear and the occasional few special bits, I really don't see the point of locking gear when you can glamour the above.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

There is a workaround for this.
Make a plate with what you want to glamour your retainer with. Remove the armor from your retainer and wear it yourself.. apply the plate.. put the gear back on your retainer. Voila.

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That is not convenient though, remember they titled the one thing "glams made easy" that isn't easy and wasting more time then the old system.

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Originally Posted by Panda-s1

you don't have to go to an inn to use glamour plates, you just need to go there to add stuff to your armoire. also the old glamour system is still in place (and actually more efficient, is no one gonna praise SE for further simplifying glamour prisms?)

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You called the old system more efficient, of course no one is going to praise SE for this mess. I did ot say I had to go to the inn to use plates, I said I have to go to the inn to put items in it, and it is a pain when you are limited with how many windows you can pull up. You can't retainer > dresser, you can't chobobo bag > dresser, you can't use dyes from the bag, you cant glam from items in the bag, it is an extremely limited mess and you are shocked so many are unhappy with this?

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

All they would really need to do to fix this is make it a toggle like on neverwinter. You can either view the plate or your original gearset with its original glams. Then add a check box or toggle for whether the selected plate is for the current job, role, or all. Done. Make this happen, SE.

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unfortunately it works by applying regular old glamours so they would have to do a lot of work to make it like that

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Yep, definitely not putting my $18.00 carbuncle ensemble into the dresser.

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I'm pretty sure you can't do that.

Everything I've paid money for wouldn't show up as an option for it.

You CAN put it in the armoire and place it onto gear through the plate system by selecting that option. That way it stays outta the dresser and you can take it out ...

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

There is a workaround for this. Make a plate with what you want to glamour your retainer with. Remove the armor from your retainer and wear it yourself.. apply the plate.. put the gear back on your retainer. Voila.

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That doesn't work if you want to change up your retainer later. I change my retainers gear to match the theme of my yard. I just wish I knew whey they created such a convoluted system.

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Originally Posted by illgot

That doesn't work if you want to change up your retainer later. I change my retainers gear to match the theme of my yard. I just wish I knew whey they created such a convoluted system.

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You can always edit a plate and repeat the process. I'm not sure why that wouldn't work again.

Question I'm a little confused about.

If say I put a top in can I then glamour just the top to a piece I'm wearing or is the only way to use that top for a glamour to make an entire plate?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

You can always edit a plate and repeat the process. I'm not sure why that wouldn't work again.

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plates don't work on retainers. Right now only actual gear works on retainers, so if you use something in your dresser you can't use it on your retainer.

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Originally Posted by heynowjose

Question I'm a little confused about.

If say I put a top in can I then glamour just the top to a piece I'm wearing or is the only way to use that top for a glamour to make an entire plate?

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You cannot directly glamour something using an item in the dresser. You have to apply it to a plate first. Currently I have one plate reserved for this need, changing things out as I go.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

That is not convenient though, remember they titled the one thing "glams made easy" that isn't easy and wasting more time then the old system.
You called the old system more efficient, of course no one is going to praise SE for this mess. I did ot say I had to go to the inn to use plates, I said I have to go to the inn to put items in it, and it is a pain when you are limited with how many windows you can pull up. You can't retainer > dresser, you can't chobobo bag > dresser, you can't use dyes from the bag, you cant glam from items in the bag, it is an extremely limited mess and you are shocked so many are unhappy with this?

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I find this system far easier to use than the old system. I build my look, I make a plate, I apply my plate. If any item in my gear gets upgraded, I can simply apply the plate again to restore my look.

I'm praising SE for this "mess". It works great. The only real limitations it has right now are space, and Squadron glamours. Everything else is fine. I detailed my complaints with it earlier, but they're mostly about things that have been promised to be expanded later (yes I understand SE has failed promises before... I got it I got it.)

No you cant directly glamour a retainer from the dresser, but you can make a plate, put on the gear and glamour it then put it on your retainer. This is actually faster than the old way of taking the gear off the retainer and glamouring each piece individually with 1-5 different prisms.

Don't put your dyes in the chocobo bag. Don't put things you want to use in the field in the chocobo bag. Put stuff you want to hold but don't have an immediate use for in your chocobo bag and things you need constantly in your personal inventory. Why is that so weirdly complicated for you? Is it such a huge hassle to click 2 times to move something from the chocobo bag to your inventory? Are you dyeing things every 10 minutes?

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Originally Posted by illgot

plates don't work on retainers. Right now only actual gear works on retainers, so if you use something in your dresser you can't use it on your retainer.

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I will say this for the 3rd time.. in the same thread
Everything your retainer wears you can wear. This is a fact.
Create the look you want for your retainer in the dresser on a plate.
Take EVERYTHING off your retainer.
Equip it all on YOUR character.
Apply the plate to YOUR character.
now everything you were wearing has the appearance glamoured to it that you wanted on your retainer.
now take everything off your character and put the gear BACK on the retainer and it will have that appearance still.


Am I saying it weird? Why is this so hard to understand?

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

I'm pretty sure you can't do that.

Everything I've paid money for wouldn't show up as an option for it.

You CAN put it in the armoire and place it onto gear through the plate system by selecting that option. That way it stays outta the dresser and you can take it out ...

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the items dont go in the armoire

Having trouble following what it actually does from the thread here. And two posts directly contradict what happens if there's an empty spot on a glamour plate. What happens? Does it wipe the glamour on the corresponding gear spot? Or does it ignore spots you didn't fill in to the plate? For me, I have outfits per role that only differ by weapons. Will this new system let me put (for instance) all of my tank gear on a plate and things look right as I swap from tank to tank? How about if I swap from a tank to say Dragoon? Very confused...

The only way this system can be salvaged for people who play more than one job is: Make as many plates as there are classes/jobs, allow people to store plate number in a gearset, increase dresser capacity at least tenfold, and maybe this will get closer to the glamour log people were actually asking for.

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Having trouble following what it actually does from the thread here. And two posts directly contradict what happens if there's an empty spot on a glamour plate. What happens? Does it wipe the glamour on the corresponding gear spot? Or does it ignore spots you didn't fill in to the plate? For me, I have outfits per role that only differ by weapons. Will this new system let me put (for instance) all of my tank gear on a plate and things look right as I swap from tank to tank? How about if I swap from a tank to say Dragoon? Very confused...

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It ignores the spot.

The best way to understand this system is, imagine if you could have a macro that says

/castglamour "tamamo headband"
/castglamour "skallic coat of healing"

This macro would use the old system to cast glamour on those two slots. That's all the new system does, except it doesn't consume prisms. Since it uses the old system the changes apply to the gear itself, not to the job, so if you did this on ast the changes will show on sch and whm, you would have to create a new macro (plate) to /castglamour anything you want for scholar.

But here's the trick: you can only create/modify those macros in an inn room, and the macro fails if you try to use it outside main cities or residential areas, OR you can't equip anything listed in the macro, so if you're out in open world and switch between ast and sch you can't even use your glamour switch macro.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

I'm pretty sure you can't do that.

Everything I've paid money for wouldn't show up as an option for it.

You CAN put it in the armoire and place it onto gear through the plate system by selecting that option. That way it stays outta the dresser and you can take it out ...

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How are you putting mog station stuff in the armoire?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I will say this for the 3rd time.. in the same thread
Everything your retainer wears you can wear. This is a fact.
Create the look you want for your retainer in the dresser on a plate.
Take EVERYTHING off your retainer.
Equip it all on YOUR character.
Apply the plate to YOUR character.
now everything you were wearing has the appearance glamoured to it that you wanted on your retainer.
now take everything off your character and put the gear BACK on the retainer and it will have that appearance still.


Am I saying it weird? Why is this so hard to understand?

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makes sense and I'll have to try this, but damn this system is convoluted.

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Originally Posted by Lyraele

Having trouble following what it actually does from the thread here. And two posts directly contradict what happens if there's an empty spot on a glamour plate. What happens? Does it wipe the glamour on the corresponding gear spot? Or does it ignore spots you didn't fill in to the plate? For me, I have outfits per role that only differ by weapons. Will this new system let me put (for instance) all of my tank gear on a plate and things look right as I swap from tank to tank? How about if I swap from a tank to say Dragoon? Very confused...

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Blank spaces do nothing. If you leave a blank space it doesn't apply anything nor remove anything from gear in that slot. try this test. Super easy:
Make a plate with something you have in your armoire and nothing else. EG: the halloween outfit we just got.

Apply that plate to something you dont care about. A job you dont level or some green dungeon gear. Then try to apply a blank plate to the same thing. Nothing will happen. Nothing will be removed.

I've already applied a plate with gear but no weapon glamour in it to my SAM who is holding an Ice glamoured katana. The glamour on my weapon is still there.

IF there is a glamour in the slot however it WILL overwrite anything you have in that slot, so be careful if you've used expensive dyes on something because it will be overwritten with the plate's glamour (if there is one in the slot).

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Originally Posted by illgot

makes sense and I'll have to try this, but damn this system is convoluted.

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I don't find it so.. there is a lot of setup though. Once you have your plates set it's very minor.
Hopefully they follow through on the plate to retainer and squadron member promise.