4.2 Housing Update

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

They are doing it right..There not punishing people who didnt break any rules..If they took homes away they would be in fact punishing people for following SE rules as they were at the time.

Unless if your idea is right is to punish people who did nothing wrong and followed the rules

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Yeah I want to punish them alllllll

many people with multiple houses has stated that they'd be okay with the full change if they'd get gil from the house back and could share their one personal house with all their alts in that server. I have an alt with no house but would love to share my mains house with that character as well.

I am against this whole multiple house shit but now it's unfair for all the new house buyers, they only get one house and the rest can keep theirs. I just wish it could be equal and fair for all. At least the house hoarders now won't be able to get squat.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

If they took homes away they would be in fact punishing people for following SE rules as they were at the time.

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It's common practice IRL - If I legally acquired a gun today and tomorrow owning guns got outlawed, then I would not be punished for having owned a gun at some point, but I would get punished if I held onto it after the new rule was put in place. For people who have a car, this is second nature - Whenever there's a speed limit sign, the rules of the street change and you can't expect to have your 70 MPH grandfathered in after passing the 20 MPH sign, even though it was perfectly legal to drive that fast before passing it. You either adjust to the new rules or get punished.

Standard procedure for things like this is to set a date (or in the street case, a physical location) until which people need to adjust to the new rules, i.e. get rid of the items in question or slow down, then punish people if they are found with the items (or excessive speed) after the date (location). IRL, you typically end up paying a fine and have your item in question confiscated.

Returning the plot price and housing items to the respective owners in full would already be a nice gesture, really.

But that's a moot point to discuss if the reddit quote is correct - People will get grandfathered in because "circumstances on our end", i.e. dev ineptitude. At least it's working out for someone! :3

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Originally Posted by Zojha

At least it's working out for someone! :3

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ID sy its working out for both sides..you wont have multi house owners buying any new plots so all the new ones go to homless

Here are my questions:

1) Is it possible to buy a house for an FC that does not have one, if you already own two personals on the same realm?

2) Can a character who already has their two house limit even be in an FC with housing? This is probably a really stupid question, but...

3) Finally, if the answer to questions 1&2 is YES, what the hell happens if the FC leader goes inactive and leadership transfers to someone already at their housing cap? Can lead be transferred to someone who is at the cap?

My apologies if these seem like utterly ridiculous questions, but given how FCs work I do wonder if it is possible to work around the cap if one just patiently inherits a bunch of FCs with housing on the same server. Either this is possible, or SE has set up some way to restrict this, either if it's by limiting membership at all, or limiting inheritance/passing leadership. This is assuming FC leadership even matters. I hope we get more information before the patch.

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Originally Posted by fantasticm

Here are my questions:

1) Is it possible to buy a house for an FC that does not have one, if you already own two personals on the same realm?

2) Can a character who already has their two house limit even be in an FC with housing? This is probably a really stupid question, but...

3) Finally, if the answer to questions 1&2 is YES, what the hell happens if the FC leader goes inactive and leadership transfers to someone already at their housing cap? Can lead be transferred to someone who is at the cap?

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Making assumptions, but 1 & 2 should be yes. The system likely just checks against the requirements set for the type of housing being purchased. The 3rd the dev team would have to answer. One of the big loopholes I can see is passing that leadership and thus house ownership onto anyone else.

Anyone know if we will have a dev chat thing to get the FAQ about this change for accounts? I agree with many about if you have more then one personal house on the account right now.
Its not OUR fault that SE decides to say "Alt characters are treated as a fully separate character, no house sharing with your main account, etc"

Now if they are changing the rule to allow for alts to be assigned also as owner status to the house you have on your account. Awesome! About time!

Then the other issue is.. if they DO "force remove" houses... yea.. that would be a shit storm, cause how does the server know which house the person wants to keep? Etc.

Ill assume this maybe like how Ultima Online did it. You are grandfathered into your houses, but the new flags will only take effect if you try to buy a new house.

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Originally Posted by fantasticm

My apologies if these seem like utterly ridiculous questions, but given how FCs work I do wonder if it is possible to work around the cap if one just patiently inherits a bunch of FCs with housing on the same server. Either this is possible, or SE has set up some way to restrict this, either if it's by limiting membership at all, or limiting inheritance/passing leadership. This is assuming FC leadership even matters. I hope we get more information before the patch.

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It sounds like it would take a lot less than that to get 8 FC houses on the same account, and all that matters is the character clicking on the placard and selecting buy.

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Originally Posted by Mysticales

Anyone know if we will have a dev chat thing to get the FAQ about this change for accounts? I agree with many about if you have more then one personal house on the account right now.
Its not OUR fault that SE decides to say "Alt characters are treated as a fully separate character, no house sharing with your main account, etc"

Now if they are changing the rule to allow for alts to be assigned also as owner status to the house you have on your account. Awesome! About time!

Then the other issue is.. if they DO "force remove" houses... yea.. that would be a shit storm, cause how does the server know which house the person wants to keep? Etc.

Ill assume this maybe like how Ultima Online did it. You are grandfathered into your houses, but the new flags will only take effect if you try to buy a new house.

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There not removingmulti homes from people who have them now..its in the video https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...nally/dsxeu82/

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Originally Posted by Mysticales

Now if they are changing the rule to allow for alts to be assigned also as owner status to the house you have on your account. Awesome! About time!

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As far as I know Yoshida has said something about wanting to let all characters on a server have access to a home you own on that server, but that wasn't being implemented yet. It's still in the works so to speak.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

It sounds like it would take a lot less than that to get 8 FC houses on the same account, and all that matters is the character clicking on the placard and selecting buy.

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I don't mean to be That Guy but is there confirmation for this? I've seen a lot of rumors flying around as facts regarding these housing changes so I'm a bit wary. I do think it makes sense that the restriction would only apply to the account purchasing the plot (and possibly leadership), and not who is in the FC. Can you imagine if an FC couldn't buy their first house due to some members already being at their 2-house cap on that server? I feel like I'm catastrophizing here, but given SE's track record with housing... who knows!?!?

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Originally Posted by MizArai

As far as I know Yoshida has said something about wanting to let all characters on a server have access to a home you own on that server, but that wasn't being implemented yet. It's still in the works so to speak.

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That would be awesome. Can't tell you how aggravating it is to have to run to the apartment building to use the mender there in the housing districts cause my alt can't use my main's house.

Ok good to hear they wont punish the multi home owners. I know speaking as a FC leader. I have my FC house, my personal small and I managed to get a mid house all next to each other. My mid house I use for the FC as well as a RP event house. :) Spent enough sweat, time, blood and gil... to secure all this for the fun of my FC.... wouldve sucked to choose things.

Bet you right now tho.. the housing market is about to skyrocket before 4.2.

Cant wait for my chars to be able to access the house anywhere tho.

I gave my medium house up to a friend since I don't want to lose it to the system and also so he can have a home.

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Originally Posted by joshdavis271

I gave my medium house up to a friend since I don't want to lose it to the system and also so he can have a home.

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Thats what I did around 4.1. I gave up a Mid house to a FC who was in a small house. As for my FC members. Many times I bought a plot when I saw it, so then I could get it to a FC member.

One issue with THAT now, is moment you relinquish... there is a timer now.. So guess you cant even "swap plots" with someone no more!

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Originally Posted by fantasticm

I don't mean to be That Guy but is there confirmation for this? I've seen a lot of rumors flying around as facts regarding these housing changes so I'm a bit wary. I do think it makes sense that the restriction would only apply to the account purchasing the plot (and possibly leadership), and not who is in the FC. Can you imagine if an FC couldn't buy their first house due to some members already being at their 2-house cap on that server? I feel like I'm catastrophizing here, but given SE's track record with housing... who knows!?!?

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The translation I was watching noted that they specifically mentioned it does apply to all members of the fc.

If it didn't it'd make it easy enough to cycle through and get a bunch of houses on one account (you'd just get friends to set up the fc and then transfer leadership once the house is bought) which would only reduce the multiple house ownership potential down to 9 from 16 and would make it more difficult, but not impossible, for people trying to do it solo.

It's realistically what's happening already just with one extra step and needing to keep the other members in til you get the house.

Let me get this straight...Once a plot is relinquished/demolished, it is unavailable for X amount of time. During this time, relocation is still possible. So, people who already have a house but want to move, get first dibs on freeing plots, instead of people who do not have a house at all?

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Originally Posted by Saradain

So, people who already have a house but want to move, get first dibs on freeing plots, instead of people who do not have a house at all?

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I think it's supposed to be stop people hoarding houses. But even if someone does relocate, the plot they were in would now be available on the market so it hasn't change the number of available plots.

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

I think it's supposed to be stop people hoarding houses. But even if someone does relocate, the plot they were in would now be available on the market so it hasn't change the number of available plots.

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Suppose that is true, I just wish I have a chance for a plot I really want, doesn't matter which ward, just that one plot without the system trying to force me to accept any leftover plot.

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Originally Posted by Mithia

Yoshi already stated, you can find it on reddit, that all existing house owners will not have their houses taken away from them and it'll be grandfathered in. So there is no need to worry about having to chose between houses or selling your houses now that you can. Eventually it will balance itself out anyway over a few years.

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So hang on... those two from that one server who own an entire ward will get to keep said ward because of a technicality?

I think the amount of people complaining that they're gonna lose a neighborhood full of houses they own is simply ridiculous and hilarious at the same time.

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

So hang on... those two from that one server who own an entire ward will get to keep said ward because of a technicality?

I think the amount of people complaining that they're gonna lose a neighborhood full of houses they own is simply ridiculous and hilarious at the same time.

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Yeah I have mixed feelings on this, a player being grandfathered in that owns a few houses is one thing but 2 players owning an entire ward irks me but cant be fair to 1 and not the other right?

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

So hang on... those two from that one server who own an entire ward will get to keep said ward because of a technicality?

I think the amount of people complaining that they're gonna lose a neighborhood full of houses they own is simply ridiculous and hilarious at the same time.

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And its that mentality which makes me support these kind of people, its nothing more then mob mentality.

These players did nothing that goes against the terms of usage! Nor should they be punished now because the mob is picking up their pitchforks and torches because "they" deem it unfair. The rules have changed, true, but that doesn't mean that players who abide by the rules have to turn in their goods. Its an oversight of the developers.

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Originally Posted by Mithia

And its that mentality which makes me support these kind of people, its nothing more then mob mentality.

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And it's that whole narrow-minded white knight mentality that I think it's funny you can justify two people owning an entire ward. It's one thing it being 3 or 4 houses, but think back to some of the comments and reasonings why they did it.

"They didn't want people putting up gaudy looking houses next to theirs" is a quote I certainly remember as do many. It's that kind of elitist attitude that makes me laugh.

But 30 houses? An entire ward? Koji told me, to my face that the concept is ridiculous. You know how much server resources goes into a ward? Greedy to be one thing that you own an entire ward, but even greedier to let S-E pick up the bill for the resources used to house their personal little paradise? Yeah S-E screwed up, no one argues it here, but there's other people that suffer for it in turn.

But hey, yeah, lets give them a damn gated community mod so they keep the filth out of their treasured empty ward.

Also, remiss of me to say this but I represent my own thoughts. Not a mob.

It isn't anyone's fault that people like me think this all stinks. You among others however supporting that kind of person isn't mob mentality in itself? Interesting...

If its not said players then its other players who are using said ward, no house is left unoccupied so its really a moot point that its a waste of resources.
Said resources were allocated for housing and they are being used for housing, these houses can be freed up in the future regardless.
These players who occupied an entire ward by themselves are also a unique situation which shouldn't reflect on others who may also own multiple houses be it for RP reasons or gardening.

The fact still remains however that you would rather gloat over another their misfortune while you try to justify it with resources or other poor players who aren't able to own a house due to those evil players who managed to get an extra house!

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

And it's that whole narrow-minded white knight mentality that I think it's funny you can justify two people owning an entire ward. It's one thing it being 3 or 4 houses, but think back to some of the comments and reasonings why they did it.

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If you're trying to use white knight as an insult to bolster your argument, you have a very weak argument. There's no reason for it trying to insult people, just make your point.


As for letting people keep their plots, its the best decision for SE to make. As for letting the group on Mataeus owning most of a ward, thats just applying the same rule equally to all players...also a good decision. Removing things from players that they've invested a lot of time and gil and cash into is a bad precedent to set and one nobody should be encouraging. Think about it, would you want SE to remove something you had payed money for? What if they next decided to remove the jump potions from the game because too many people hate it and reset anyone who had used it back to their previous level? Or how about mounts or bonding ceremonies or server transfers?

But lets do the math, there's 2880 plots now and lets say 25% of them are alts for houses that could be removed, thats 720 additional plots for approximately 8,000 people after all the others are taken up. If you assume 25% of those will go to FCs, that leaves 540 plots for individuals....or about 6% more of the population. What are the odds someone will successfully get one of those 540 plots? I'm going to say very very low and whats going to happen after? Those that didn't get a plot will complain on the forums again about not having a plot or about the mad rush to get it on release day or the lack of plots for individuals since all the 1 man +3 alt FCs bought everything on release day.

What does SE get for doing this? A PR black eye. A decrease in expected revenue because people are less confident in SE because they don't know if SE will remove their purchases now. Another segement of the population mad at them because they took away things they already earned.

There is no UP side for SE to do do this. SE is much better off spending their resources on creating more wards. Removing houses from people doesn't cure the housing issue, it doesn't even put an effective bandaid on it. It just pisses people off.

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Originally Posted by Sairys

If it didn't it'd make it easy enough to cycle through and get a bunch of houses on one account (you'd just get friends to set up the fc and then transfer leadership once the house is bought)

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It's still easy, because you can temporarily leave any other FCs and rejoin once the house is bought. My understanding is that the restrictions only apply to purchases, not joining FCs.

I'm hoping the restriction would be that the person who makes the actual purchase cannot be a member of another FC with a house on any other character, and not that if any member of the FC is a member of another FC with a house on any other character, the purchase cannot be made. Can you imagine the witch hunt within FCs for that? Would it tell you which member it was when you tried to purchase? What if it was someone who quit the game? Would you have to keep kicking random people until it lets you purchase? This would be a horrible design that's still easy to get around for anyone who wants to exploit it but potentially maddening for honest FCs who just happen to have one rogue member.

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

And it's that whole narrow-minded white knight mentality that I think it's funny you can justify two people owning an entire ward. It's one thing it being 3 or 4 houses, but think back to some of the comments and reasonings why they did it.

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Whether a player agrees or not that previous purchases should be grandfathered, I think we can all agree that the situation over those two players on Mateus would be very interesting to look at if SE doesn't force them to let go of their excess housing. It's one thing to own three or four houses. It's another if only two players own a ward.

I hear rumours that SE said they will one day let all characters on a single server have access to one character's private house. Perhaps this is when SE will clamp down on those with several personal houses on one server, so that no player will have a character suddenly become homeless.

I hope this happens because in the long run it makes more sense and it is more fair if all players are subject to the same restrictions. And honestly I'd love my alts to have access to my main's house.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

If you're trying to use white knight as an insult to bolster your argument, you have a very weak argument. There's no reason for it trying to insult people, just make your point.


As for letting people keep their plots, its the best decision for SE to make. As for letting the group on Mataeus owning most of a ward, thats just applying the same rule equally to all players...also a good decision. Removing things from players that they've invested a lot of time and gil and cash into is a bad precedent to set and one nobody should be encouraging. Think about it, would you want SE to remove something you had payed money for? What if they next decided to remove the jump potions from the game because too many people hate it and reset anyone who had used it back to their previous level? Or how about mounts or bonding ceremonies or server transfers?

But lets do the math, there's 2880 plots now and lets say 25% of them are alts for houses that could be removed, thats 720 additional plots for approximately 8,000 people after all the others are taken up. If you assume 25% of those will go to FCs, that leaves 540 plots for individuals....or about 6% more of the population. What are the odds someone will successfully get one of those 540 plots? I'm going to say very very low and whats going to happen after? Those that didn't get a plot will complain on the forums again about not having a plot or about the mad rush to get it on release day or the lack of plots for individuals since all the 1 man +3 alt FCs bought everything on release day.

What does SE get for doing this? A PR black eye. A decrease in expected revenue because people are less confident in SE because they don't know if SE will remove their purchases now. Another segement of the population mad at them because they took away things they already earned.

There is no UP side for SE to do do this. SE is much better off spending their resources on creating more wards. Removing houses from people doesn't cure the housing issue, it doesn't even put an effective bandaid on it. It just pisses people off.

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Very well said..but i think that 25% is a tad high since theres 302,000 NA accounts an only 360,000 (on 24 servers) characters total...i know tons and tons of people who have alot of lvl 1's on differnt servers to see friends or weddings n such so the number of the 60k extra characters who are at 50 and able to buy a house on each server is extremly low im betting

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Originally Posted by Mithia

The fact still remains however that you would rather gloat over another their misfortune while you try to justify it with resources or other poor players who aren't able to own a house due to those evil players who managed to get an extra house!

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Sorry, who is gloating? Me? Last I checked I didn't subject myself to an online interview with one of the internet's gutter trash magazines and give one of my reasons of "We don't want people with gaudy tastes to be our neighbors" - call it gloating or asshole-ism in its passive form. I have an FC mansion but that doesn't mean I shouldn't speak up for the less than fortunate or, "poor players" as you put it.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

If you're trying to use white knight as an insult to bolster your argument, you have a very weak argument. There's no reason for it trying to insult people, just make your point.

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Hardly an insult. More of a label. He is white knighting for these people and even advocating for those who have such crappy elitist attitudes about it. My problem with people like that is that they act and think they're better than everyone else. S-E's dumb oversight enabled this beast and now other people suffer for it.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

As for letting people keep their plots, its the best decision for SE to make. As for letting the group on Mataeus owning most of a ward, thats just applying the same rule equally to all players...also a good decision. Removing things from players that they've invested a lot of time and gil and cash into is a bad precedent to set and one nobody should be encouraging.

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A server blade alone eats up a lot of resources. I don't remember exactly what Koji told me directly when we were talking about it, but one ward alone from what I understand from personal experiences with MMOs and an extensive understanding of how the tech works could be as much as half a server blade or even a fourth of one. Those blades alone are in the thousands of dollars range. You give one person or even two people free reign to buy an entire ward and you've lost at least one fourth of your investment and on top of that, deprive other people of enjoying the game. I said earlier (though some people were more interested in not reading my entire post) that S-E is certainly a big factor to blame and they should take some form of ownership. I never said punish or strip people of those plots - give them back their investment. But at the same time, these people should of seen this coming, that S-E was going to address this sooner or later but instead they're getting the grandfather treatment and a pat on the bum for it.

TL;DR - your gil is worth shit to the actual cost of a server blade or the resources poured into running it.

Call it greed or dedication or however you paint it, but it is still greed in its form. If this is what makes them happy and accomplished, then cool. Enjoy it. The whole housing community has spawned some pretty awful people, even those awful people who have been telling those "poor people" the likes of "too bad" or "don't be so poor" - because honestly the people who have been telling off those unfortunate can just suck it.

Feel free to label that last part as an insult.

I just find the whole conversation about "they got there first" disingenuous. Screw new players that joined in Stormblood, I guess. How dare they not consider that they might want a house in a game they didn't play 3 years ago!

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I just find the whole conversation about "they got there first" disingenuous. Screw new players that joined in Stormblood, I guess. How dare they not consider that they might want a house in a game they didn't play 3 years ago!

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Give it some time, someone will fight you on your opinion, call you wrong, say that these people are justified and defend them to the death.

Honestly I have a single house one small lot, I had it all decorated neatly and creatively I almost never used it. Tonight I realized this and emptied the thing out moved back into my apartment, and posted a greeting similar to this "Yes this house is empty Yes this lot will get released AFTER the 4.2 patch. NO I will not reserve it for anyone best of luck." This is one lot that will not get into the hands of house hoarders, lot flippers or anyone besides someone who genuinely wants a house that does not have one already. I find this whole "but without my empty houses I feel empty" udder nonsense, go to Wildstar if you like housing that much you'll enjoy it much better. Let them squirm, but also know This whole fiasco is on SE not anyone else for not setting clear limits on housing ownership in the first place. Those that abused these lack of restrictions are simply a sad statistic and unnecessary victim pool that in the end that will continue to haunt this games housing system for possibly years....

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

And it's that whole narrow-minded white knight mentality that I think it's funny you can justify two people owning an entire ward. It's one thing it being 3 or 4 houses, but think back to some of the comments and reasonings why they did it.

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My biggest issue with people crying about the Ward 12 pair, is that those same people are completely content to ignore the dozens upon dozens of people that own houses, and do nothing at all with them, and that isn't even counting house flippers.Hate them as much as you want for having obtained something great, while breaking no rules, but you can't ever say that they aren't doing anything with that ward. Every house they have finished decorating has been made open to the public, and they openly encourage people to visit them, to host events in them, and to RP in those houses ( I've spent over 6 hours doing just that with my FC over the last couple evenings. ) They are also frequently editing the decorations, updating and changing things. The ward itself is like a living breathing organism, every week you could go through and find something new or different, and as someone who is actually on the server with that ward(Most the people I see complaining, surprisingly don't have Mateus marked as their realm on here), I can say it would honestly be a tragedy to lose it.

That being said, I feel like they should focus more on addressing issues with house flippers, or people just holding onto houses, but doing literally nothing with them, beyond just running inside once a month to reset the auto demo timer. And before anyone comes at me with the "You have no right to say how people should use their houses", when it is dealing with such a finite resource like this, yes, yes people can say how that finite resource should be used, and people do all the time, like those screaming about multi-home owners. I would much rather see 2 people own an entire ward, and actually do something with it, than see the mass of people owning 1 house, and doing nothing with it.

I think a good balance would be to, at least going forward, put a price on buying houses for alts. Similar to getting retainers, add a higher fee to a person's subscription if they want to own more than one personal home, that way, they are literally helping to pay for the resources it takes to maintain the housing system.

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Originally Posted by Brynne

It's still easy, because you can temporarily leave any other FCs and rejoin once the house is bought. My understanding is that the restrictions only apply to purchases, not joining FCs.

I'm hoping the restriction would be that the person who makes the actual purchase cannot be a member of another FC with a house on any other character, and not that if any member of the FC is a member of another FC with a house on any other character, the purchase cannot be made. Can you imagine the witch hunt within FCs for that? Would it tell you which member it was when you tried to purchase? What if it was someone who quit the game? Would you have to keep kicking random people until it lets you purchase? This would be a horrible design that's still easy to get around for anyone who wants to exploit it but potentially maddening for honest FCs who just happen to have one rogue member.

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*shrug* the translation I was reading said they mentioned that it does apply to everyone in the fc. Which does reflect an expectation that a unique account will only have access to one personal and one fc house per world.

It sucks, but realistically these measures are only going in because the current system doesn't work and people have run with that as far as they possibly could.

The fact that it could be easy to get around seems like it's more a case that we'll end up with another housing rework if people do take advantage of that. Or that maybe the housing website will clarify how it's not as easy as expected to get around.

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Originally Posted by Sairys

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What gets me is they are creating all these new rules and opening new wards... and it still doesn't solve the actual problem.

The only real solution is to make housing instanced. Allow apartments to be converted into houses with yards. Let people pick the size house they want and allow them to upgrade anytime they can afford it.

Allow FCs to use instanced housing so all FCs can have access to a common meeting ground and crafting chambers.

No matter how many rules you make, if there are less houses than players, the system is broken especially since a good chunk of content is locked behind owning a house.

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Originally Posted by AriesMouse

And before anyone comes at me with the "You have no right to say how people should use their houses", when it is dealing with such a finite resource like this, yes, yes people can say how that finite resource should be used,

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No, you don't. It doesn't matter how much you like or dislike what someone chooses to do with their house, you do NOT get a say in what they do with it. It doesn't matter if the person just wants it for the cheaper teleport or just for a garden plot, or a stable or even just a place to call theirs, you do NOT get a say in what they do with it.

That housing is a scarce commodity is irrelevant to this. No player should ever have a say in what another player does with the things they acquire in the game. The only exception to this is harassment and even then you don't get a say beyond reporting it to the GMs and letting them decide.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

No, you don't. It doesn't matter how much you like or dislike what someone chooses to do with their house, you do NOT get a say in what they do with it. It doesn't matter if the person just wants it for the cheaper teleport or just for a garden plot, or a stable or even just a place to call theirs, you do NOT get a say in what they do with it.

That housing is a scarce commodity is irrelevant to this. No player should ever have a say in what another player does with the things they acquire in the game. The only exception to this is harassment and even then you don't get a say beyond reporting it to the GMs and letting them decide.

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Still everyone has the right to make their opinion heard about what they THINK should happen to that housing, and that's what happening here, no one is dictating policy, just making suggestions in more, or less, eloquent ways. it's up to the devs if they agree or not.

So yes, everyone has a right to say what they want, just like you have the right to disagree.

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Originally Posted by AriesMouse

My biggest issue with people crying about the Ward 12 pair, is that those same people are completely content to ignore the dozens upon dozens of people that own houses, and do nothing at all with them, and that isn't even counting house flippers.Hate them as much as you want for having obtained something great, while breaking no rules, but you can't ever say that they aren't doing anything with that ward. Every house they have finished decorating has been made open to the public, and they openly encourage people to visit them, to host events in them, and to RP in those houses

I would much rather see 2 people own an entire ward, and actually do something with it, than see the mass of people owning 1 house, and doing nothing with it.

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By your logic a person could take everything at a food stall and as long as they eat it all it's okay because everything is used. Whereas a person who takes any amount but chooses to not eat is in the wrong. The other people who wanted food couldn't give a damn whether another person ate it or not, what matters to them is if they get the chance to have any.

It is the same with housing in ff. Most players couldn't give a crap if that pair use all their houses or not. What matters to them is their own chances of getting a house.

Furthermore it cannot be argued that the notorious pair in Mateus are unknowingly depriving many players and fcs of housing. They know exactly what they're doing and how much grief it's causing.

And well SE have made their opinion on this clear. In 4.2 there will be measures to prevent this sort of thing ever happening again unless players buy several accounts. It's only a matter of time before players are forced to let go of excess houses, likely when all characters on one server will have access to the same private home so that no character suddenly becomes completely homeless.

Doesn't change that housing is designed poorly by SE. Not enough houses, no money-sink, and people being allowed to own multiple houses prior to 4.2. I don't mind people owning a few, but owning an entire ward is just vanity. Who cares if the couple is making use of all the houses they own, when people who have been trying to buy a house for months would equally make use of it.

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Originally Posted by Sairys

It sucks, but realistically these measures are only going in because the current system doesn't work and people have run with that as far as they possibly could.

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Yeah, I'll wait for the housing website to clarify, but I'll repeat my hope that this isn't actually the case. SE seems to have a habit of doing things that inconvenience the general player base who are following the rules and do not actually have material impact on the problem they're trying to combat (see also: being unable to trade with alts, which is supposed to hinder gil-sellers and actually does nothing to them as they use multiple accounts and form FCs to get around it - but it's a pain for regular players who want to play multiple characters and share glamour gear, etc).

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

Koji told me, to my face that the concept is ridiculous. You know how much server resources goes into a ward?

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I don't know, but I didn't think he worked on their network infrastructure either so I mean him no disrespect, but I would take that as a personal opinion rather than actual fact.