The Aurum Vale

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Missed this bit....

If you do this in my presence? Id report your ass....because your a mentor. Disruption of a game is prohibited under ToS. Mentors are supposed to teach...not play favorites.
If your not going to teach....get out. And stay out. Take the badge off..do as you pelase within reason....you put it on and play games like that? Expect trouble.

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But... but the princess crown!!!

Edit: AV is, for me, a funny dungeon. If the dungeon appears during the roulette, I stick with it.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Couldn't have said it better myself. A V however is NOT my most hated.... I'd say that's for Doma Castle and Ala Mihgo? Dungeons...long..unforgiving..and....unforgiving.

A V is annoying...but can be fun..and very educational. In any case... I tough it out..and I follow through. I DON'T QUIT...unless i have no choice and even then I refuse to leave. If i commit to a roulette..I stay until the bloody end.

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You know...I actually have to agree with you there. Don't really care for AV...but I still find it fun. My biggest gripe is like with most people here that people moan and groan about it and quit within 5 seconds of the dungeon being up.

If I get this one during leveling roulette...usually I'll tough it out. I only bail if it become painfully obvious that the group will not be able to clear...which isn't all that often

I enjoy AV.
I don't enjoy every dungeon, but it's a roulette... I accept that I will eventually land in a dungeon I don't particularly care for and run it regardless because it is what the roulette selected.

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Originally Posted by Sieben79

But... but the princess crown!!!

Edit: AV is, for me, a funny dungeon. If the dungeon appears during the roulette, I stick with it.

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*Gives Princess Tiara* :) (I LOL'd ) :D

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

Ok, you want me to play a dungeon and not have fun but be miserable? I pay for this game why should I be miserable while doing so?

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Then stop paying for it if you don't like it or better yet refer to my last post in this thread and don't do leveling roulette.

Gonna be honest... I don't mind AV. It's only that first room that gives me issue. I hate Dzemeal Darkhold far more...

I still hate that people leave right away if you get it or leave if you have a newbie. Had one run where I had a new tank. The healer left immidently. When we got a new healer I helped the tank through, got to first boss. Explained the fruits but tank spaced out and we wiped. Tank said sorry... But then second healer left... then the dps did. Had to wait AGAIN then finally got two others who we all helped the tank.

I don't mind Aurum Vale myself. That first room seems to give people the most trouble. Is LoS pulling not a thing anymore? Or does it just not work in this game? I honestly don't see anyone doing it no matter the dungeon. Also I dislike Darkhold and Sunken Temple a LOT more than Aurum. But I still stick with whatever dungeon they give me.

Aurum Vale is fine, has the same chance of being cleared in about 18-25 mins just like the others. The only thing that needs to change is steps for trial roulette. No one goes in a trial roulette expecting a 10 minute run.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Missed this bit....

If you do this in my presence? Id report your ass....because your a mentor. Disruption of a game is prohibited under ToS. Mentors are supposed to teach...not play favorites.
If your not going to teach....get out. And stay out. Take the badge off..do as you pelase within reason....you put it on and play games like that? Expect trouble.

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That is not how the report function works, they will just tell you that is what the penalty is for.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Couldn't have said it better myself. A V however is NOT my most hated.... I'd say that's for Doma Castle and Ala Mihgo? Dungeons...long..unforgiving..and....unforgiving.

A V is annoying...but can be fun..and very educational. In any case... I tough it out..and I follow through. I DON'T QUIT...unless i have no choice and even then I refuse to leave. If i commit to a roulette..I stay until the bloody end.

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I love Ala Mhigo and Doma Castle because my Bard and Black mage's dps is off the charts and the runs are so easy to me and I get compliments every time I run them not so with Aurum Vale. Like one post said make it (Aurum Vale) a level 50 to give us more powers to make it enjoyable to play.

But I like this dungeon. :c

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

I love Ala Mhigo and Doma Castle because my Bard and Black mage's dps is off the charts and the runs are so easy to me and I get compliments every time I run them not so with Aurum Vale. Like one post said make it (Aurum Vale) a level 50 to give us more powers to make it enjoyable to play.

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No excuse for being a poor mentor.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

Aurum Vale is fine, has the same chance of being cleared in about 18-25 mins just like the others. The only thing that needs to change is steps for trial roulette. No one goes in a trial roulette expecting a 10 minute run.



That is not how the report function works, they will just tell you that is what the penalty is for.

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To be honest though, this is a mentor abusing their role. IMO that's what should be reported. I can't say that I'd take the time to report every random who drops because though it's a selfish move, it's still trivial, but if that person has the crown why not report them for trolling newer players which would be an example of harassment. If they didn't want to mentor or at least be respectful then don't wear that crown.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Couldn't have said it better myself. A V however is NOT my most hated.... I'd say that's for Doma Castle and Ala Mihgo? Dungeons...long..unforgiving..and....unforgiving.

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Ala Migho is a blast for me. I love every boss in it, and it goes by fast imo. (Though I got tired of it grinding for the mount lol) The level 70 dungeon I dislike over the others is definitely the monk one, for the reasons you listed for Ala Migho.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

To be honest though, this is a mentor abusing their role. IMO that's what should be reported. I can't say that I'd take the time to report every random who drops because though it's a selfish move, it's still trivial, but if that person has the crown why not report them for trolling newer players which would be an example of harassment. If they didn't want to mentor or at least be respectful then don't wear that crown.

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I wouldn't say dropping out of a dungeon is harassment. Everyone has the choice to leave a dungeon and eat a penalty if they want to.

Now, with that said, it's incredibly poor behavior, especially for a mentor. I wouldn't say it's a reportable offense though.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

To be honest though, this is a mentor abusing their role. IMO that's what should be reported. I can't say that I'd take the time to report every random who drops because though it's a selfish move, it's still trivial, but if that person has the crown why not report them for trolling newer players which would be an example of harassment. If they didn't want to mentor or at least be respectful then don't wear that crown.

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All I see is you giving reasons why people are resistant to talk in anything. You can't force someone to do something or play something they do not want to do. If a healer is being abused by a troll group and leaves, are you going to report the healer for leaving because they are a healer?

Do note dropping out of dungeons like that is not something I would do, but I understand why some may want to. In the end of things what I said is how GMs look at it, it isn't harassment.

I too hate Aurum Vale with a passion. My most hated dungeon in the game, easily. But I'm surprised the OP's complaint is about its difficulty.
I hate Aurum Vale for completely different reasons. I don't think AV is any harder or longer than other ARR dungeons, and I've played it multiple times in all 3 roles.

My gripe with it is that it's visually extremely unappealing and has severe visibility issues, the biggest offender being the very first room. Big monsters, small room (in terms of being compacted, not in terms of extension). In other words, as soon as you pull a frog, there is no way to manage the camera in a way that it can allow you to take the information you need (e.g. where the patrols are, if there's any aoes landing anywhere, etc) , because you'll either be looking at a wall, or at monster models who'll fill your entire screen. And that adding to the dungeon being disgusting as hell (fitting a theme doesn't automatically make it enjoyable), almost sight-repelling, just makes me not want to be there.

I'm surprised noone's mentioned this, and that people are instead focusing on the dungeon being alledgedly more difficult in terms of mechanics, or more extensive, which I think neither is accurate. And even if either was accurate, I don't think it'd be a problem, as long as the visibility issue was not present.

With that being said, I'll never tilt/leave a dungeon because of me not liking it. That's just too "gimmeasafespacewithonlyunicornsandrainbows" for me. I'll complain at getting the dungeon, yes. I'll meme it to no end (this post was the first time in MONTHS I called Aurum Vale by its actual name, since I usually call it...erm... other kinds of names that I'm not sure I can list here :P ). But leaving it, while leaving 3 people to rot, just because I don't like it? I'd be more disgusted at myself than I am disgusted by the dungeon.

If you want to play an MMORPG in which you can be sure that all content you step foot in is gonna be content that you enjoy, and that you'll know will change/disable all content that you remotely dislike, learn game-design, get a team and create your own. The people you see running about in your game aren't named NPCs. They're people, and they have as much right to like/dislike content as you. And there's people (as this thread shows) that actually like/ don't mind AV.

And no, you're not forced to run content you don't like. All you need to do is avoid pressing that big "Join" button after selecting "Leveling Roulette".
There's content I don't like too, and I don't queue for it, instead of queueing for it and asking for it to adjust to me.

But Diamond, you being an exceptional mentor and being good at the game should allow you to run anybody through that dungeon with minimum hassle right? My humble self still has minor issues with this dungeon but someone as exceptional as you should clear it without any issues!

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

But Diamond, you being an exceptional mentor and being good at the game should allow you to run anybody through that dungeon with minimum hassle right? My humble self still has minor issues with this dungeon but someone as exceptional as you should clear it without any issues!

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you are right I am exceptional but that was the wrong level roulette at the wrong time. Am I perfect? of course not but these extremely mean posts show that posters inability to see having fun is way more important than crunching through an unpopular, unappealing, crappy dungeon like Aurum Vale. Fun playing brings longevity and longevity brings stability and stability means more content and more content brings in more players, more people to talk to and share ideas and perspectives. Keep an open mind change Aurum Vale for the good of this game.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

you are right I am exceptional but that was the wrong level roulette at the wrong time. Am I perfect? of course not but these extremely mean posts show that posters inability to see having fun is way more important than crunching through an unpopular, unappealing, crappy dungeon like Aurum Vale. Fun playing brings longevity and longevity brings stability and stability means more content and more content brings in more players, more people to talk to and share ideas and perspectives. Keep an open mind change Aurum Vale for the good of this game.

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You are not exceptional, not in the least, the only thing you are is a blemish on the community and we are better off without you.
Know why people are negative towards you ?
Because you spread a toxic atmosphere wherever you go, actually Aurum Vale suits you perfectly.

You can't even stomach constructive criticism let alone someone expressing their true feelings towards you, that those are mostly negative is your fault and yours alone.

Also, if you ever run across me, you better behave or i will have reported you faster than you can bail from the instance.

Edit: Also, what you don't realize as well is that to some players Aurum Vale actually is fun, what you want is to take away their fun because you don't like the Dungeon, know what, i don't like Doma Castle, lets change that so it fits me, who cares if you like it, huh?

This does not work obviously, there will ALWAYS be content liked by some, hated by some.
If you really want a game with only things you like, i got a great idea, go and make one yourself, until then, you can complain and moan all you want, nothing is gonna change just for you, you are not that important at all.
You are very much insignificant.

Skyrrior/enigma is that you?

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Originally Posted by LunaTsukihime

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They keep this up, they'll be the next account banned from the forums. Just like enigma.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

you are right I am exceptional

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Yes, but not the way you think you are.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

more people to talk to and share ideas and perspectives. Keep an open mind

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Just like you're doing right now, by threatening people and acting all self-entitled and superior, right?

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

change Aurum Vale for the good of this game.

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No, you don't want it for the good of the game. You want it for the good of YOUR game.
For someone who's a mentor on an MMORPG you seem to forget there's more people in this game, whose value/ opinion/right to have preferances is not bigger nor lesser than yours.

And as I said earlier, this is coming from someone who hates Aurum Vale just as much as you, just for different reasons.

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Originally Posted by Solarianna

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Exactly, couldn't have said it better.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I wouldn't say dropping out of a dungeon is harassment. Everyone has the choice to leave a dungeon and eat a penalty if they want to.

Now, with that said, it's incredibly poor behavior, especially for a mentor. I wouldn't say it's a reportable offense though.

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The dropping the dungeon part isn't what I'd consider harassment. It's a purposeful poor treatment of new players as a mentor. Granted, that is situational depending on the presence of both the mentor and a player who needs the specific dungeon in the party, but in those cases why would that player deserve mentor status? Why would they deserve the perks that go along with that status? And why should it not be possible to send in a report stating that they are purposefully making gameplay harder for new players trying to progress? They don't have to do content they don't want to, true, but they also don't need to queue for content they don't plan on running either.

I'm also not saying that I'd report them on any and every instance of this I see. I'm saying that they can and should eventually be reported if they choose to continue this behavior. Choosing to label yourself as a mentor gives others a certain expectation of what you should do and how you should act that is above and beyond the standards placed on other players. That may not seem fair to you, but it is the way it is. The devs didn't choose the word 'mentor' for no reason.

Of course, my reasoning could be colored by how this person is acting in this thread; I wasn't there to see how everything went down in-game.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

All I see is you giving reasons why people are resistant to talk in anything. You can't force someone to do something or play something they do not want to do. If a healer is being abused by a troll group and leaves, are you going to report the healer for leaving because they are a healer?

Do note dropping out of dungeons like that is not something I would do, but I understand why some may want to. In the end of things what I said is how GMs look at it, it isn't harassment.

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I don't understand what you mean by players being resistant to talk. The op of this thread clearly stated their intent to leave before doing so, in their account of the event. As for them not being required to do things they don't want to, I agree with you, but see my above response. Turning on mentor status essentially communicates to other players, "I am willing to help by doing this thing." If you are not actually willing, and you queue for it anyways and then drop, don't expect sympathy from others who will have expected you to live up to the expectation you gave them. (General you, of course.)

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

I didn't even think twice and quickly left after telling the group and I quote, "Ughh Aurum Vale no way." another team member said, "me to" and left.

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What an exemplary display of etiquette, fit for a mentor such as yourself.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

I love doing it unsync'd with a level 70 class destroying it before it opens it's ugly mouth but trying to do it sync'd is like committing suicide, Zexy

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Excuse me, did you just compare playing a dungeon you dislike in an internet video game with the act of literally taking your own life? Are you actually out of your mind?

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

It could be fun to you but it's not about you it is about me.

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Oh, please forgive me. I completely forgot that I should be thanking you for allowing a simple peasant like myself to play a game meant only for your enjoyment. Please accept my humblest apologies, your Highness.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

I pay and play this game to have fun and if Aurum Vale in it's current state doesn't make me happy why should I play it? are que times my responsibility? no ....

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Sorry Princess, but if you've got the crown on, you should be focusing on helping new players out. That means playing dungeons you don't enjoy, so suck it up, buttercup or take off the crown.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

Ok, you want me to play a dungeon and not have fun but be miserable? I pay for this game why should I be miserable while doing so?

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Actually, that's exactly what you, yourself, agreed to do the instant you put on the Mentor crown. You made the decision to become a Mentor and to help teach and guide new players. That includes guiding them through dungeons you don't like or "have fun" in.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

Keep an open mind change Aurum Vale for the good of this game.

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Holy moly, did you see that everyone?! If they don't fix a dungeon that's been in the game since 1.0 and in it's current form since 2.0 then this game is going to literally die out because it's unfun. Quick! Somebody light the Yoshi-P Signal and let him know!!

Also get over yourself. It sounds like you've already "reverse pulled" your own head up your backside and are so enamored with the scent of your own flatulence that you actually believe that you're god's gift to the world. But you're not. You're just a sad, sorry, pitiful person on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Ophelie

Holy moly, did you see that everyone?! If they don't fix a dungeon that's been in the game since 1.0 and in it's current form since 2.0 then this game is going to literally die out because it's unfun. Quick! Somebody light the Yoshi-P Signal and let him know!!

Also get over yourself. It sounds like you've already "reverse pulled" your own head up your backside and are so enamored with the scent of your own flatulence that you actually believe that you're god's gift to the world. But you're not. You're just a sad, sorry, pitiful person on the internet.

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FYI there is a post limit and you can edit your original comment past the 1000 character limit.

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Originally Posted by Shouko

FYI there is a post limit and you can edit your original comment past the 1000 character limit.

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Well that seems a little bit backwards. Must be system limitations.

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Originally Posted by Ophelie

Well that seems a little bit backwards. Must be system limitations.

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Honestly I've used many forum engines..this one..is not the worst..but its...very poor. But you'll figure it out. :)

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Originally Posted by Ophelie

Holy moly, did you see that everyone?! If they don't fix a dungeon that's been in the game since 1.0 and in it's current form since 2.0 then this game is going to literally die out because it's unfun. Quick! Somebody light the Yoshi-P Signal and let him know!!

Also get over yourself. It sounds like you've already "reverse pulled" your own head up your backside and are so enamored with the scent of your own flatulence that you actually believe that you're god's gift to the world. But you're not. You're just a sad, sorry, pitiful person on the internet.

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I like you !

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I can't imagine the dps who needed 30 min just to get in there and now need to wait on your replacement are having such a good time either. You can't pull the emotions card while obviously ignoring the other side. You can be selfish but there's no moral high ground in that.
This thread started out not so bad but now it's come to this...

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To be fair, I feel like I've done AV and SV normal both more often without a tank than with, given the ditch rate. Heck, until the cross-class skill nerfs, casters could throw on some older Int/Mind gear and we could just duo them.

I'm not about to just stand around because my tank ditched. I just wish I could replace them faster, preferably with another DPS who wouldn't ditch straight away knowing their next queue will be instant anyways. Heck, CC still works until 50. It's only after that SE purposely breaks DPS kneecaps in no-tank compositions.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

you are right I am exceptional but that was the wrong level roulette at the wrong time. Am I perfect? of course not but these extremely mean posts show that posters inability to see having fun is way more important than crunching through an unpopular, unappealing, crappy dungeon like Aurum Vale. Fun playing brings longevity and longevity brings stability and stability means more content and more content brings in more players, more people to talk to and share ideas and perspectives. Keep an open mind change Aurum Vale for the good of this game.

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You aren’t exceptional, you are the scum of this community. You’re what ruins games, but you keep acting like you’re gods gift you dumb troll.

OP, action of leaving AV is endemic of the problems with AV. OP is not alone in immediate or rage quitting that is very common among many players in AV.
Just because "you" the other players do not think the behaviour is acceptable, the reason behind the behaviour should be addressed to improve the game for all players.
Our critism of the content, no matter how old, can still affect change from the developers.
Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XL

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We'll be making adjustments to the main scenario dungeons, so that new players can enjoy them without worrying. It may extend the duration of the dungeon; however, we have increased the rewards as well.

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Would OP have quit if the underlying issues with said content were addressed. Most likely no, and the FLAMEfest that has occurred since the start of this thread would not exist. At least not on this topic.
There are dozens pieces of content in this game which are very undesirable in the current design and we should continue to complain about them until they are fixed.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

Would OP have quit if the underlying issues with said content were addressed. Most likely no, and the FLAMEfest that has occurred since the start of this thread would not exist. At least not on this topic.
There are dozens pieces of content in this game which are very undesirable in the current design and we should continue to complain about them until they are fixed.

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The problem with this post is the OP is a well known troll. A very disliked troll, they never mean anything they say and they never have anything actually useful to say. Change will never come from one of their posts lol.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

OP, action of leaving AV is endemic of the problems with AV. OP is not alone in immediate or rage quitting that is very common among many players in AV.
Just because "you" the other players do not think the behaviour is acceptable, the reason behind the behaviour should be addressed to improve the game for all players.
Our critism of the content, no matter how old, can still affect change from the developers.
Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XL

Would OP have quit if the underlying issues with said content were addressed. Most likely no, and the FLAMEfest that has occurred since the start of this thread would not exist. At least not on this topic.
There are dozens pieces of content in this game which are very undesirable in the current design and we should continue to complain about them until they are fixed.

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Nice try, not gonna take you serious tho.
The behavior is not acceptable in ANY case.

For no one, and if you really defending this "thing" for bailing on their party then you too are quite the problematic person.

There are not "dozens" of contents that are undesirable, they are less liked by some, but on the other hand loved by others.
For example, i absolutely love running Castrum Meridianum and The Pretorium, but a friend of mine loathes them to hell and back.

Do they need to be changed because of that?
Nope, its personal preference, SE cannot carter to everyone, there will always be things that wont sit right with a percentage of the playerbase while others cant get enough of it.

Think about this before going "this dungeon is bad I want it changed" because someone else might disagree.

As for the Topic creator, don't defend Him.. her... it.. meh, whatever.
As a Mentor, bailing should penalized WAY more seriously.

I dispise Aurum Vale so much I unsync-stomp its arse every so often, for laughs, BUT if I get it in roullete I will never run from it just cause its "That place". I compaire it to cleaning a dirty toliet, sure it sucks & u really don't wanna but it has to be done cause you wanted to use/have it (You used DF roullete knowing you could end up in a dungeon you dispise cause you want the rewards from using said roullete... then just do what you can to get threw it... granted as its a game & certian class types don't have to wait as long then add ppl with porr attitudes/low paitience/low free time you get the "rage quit" moments which will happen at some point)

Becides even IF they made AV easyer/less punishing then the someone would find another dungeon they'd rage quit from... like the Vault for example

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Originally Posted by LunaTsukihime

For no one, and if you really defending this "thing" for bailing on their party then you too are quite the problematic person.
As for the Topic creator, don't defend Him.. her... it.. meh, whatever.
As a Mentor, bailing should penalized WAY more seriously.

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I see you misunderstand my position. I am not defending the act of leaving, I am pointing out that the act of leaving, performed by many people, not just OP, for this content other pieces of content is the result of poor design.

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Originally Posted by LunaTsukihime

There are not "dozens" of contents that are undesirable, they are less liked by some, but on the other hand loved by others.
For example, i absolutely love running Castrum Meridianum and The Pretorium, but a friend of mine loathes them to hell and back.

Do they need to be changed because of that?
Nope, its personal preference, SE cannot carter to everyone, there will always be things that wont sit right with a percentage of the playerbase while others cant get enough of it.

Think about this before going "this dungeon is bad I want it changed" because someone else might disagree.

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Sure, there are plenty of pieces of content which have been changed due to player reactions too them. I will cite a few more, the Bees in Amdapor Keep, and FATE scaling. And, there are plenty more that still should be addressed.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

Sure, there are plenty of pieces of content which have been changed due to player reactions too them. I will cite a few more, the Bees in Amdapor Keep, and FATE scaling. And, there are plenty more that still should be addressed.

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First, that's called feedback, not me-me-me demanding by a single troll.
Second, those examples are fine and dandy, but don't relate to the Topic at all, its about hating a whole dungeon so much that bailing for this person-thing is the only option.

The Bees in Keep were a nuisance and got nerfed, but no one bailed because of them.
The Fates got better scaling because we rose in level cap and experience gains.

Don't compare apples to oranges, don't work, nor with lemons.

TL;DR the thread. Aurum Vale is a good dungeon. We've had enough instances receive unnecessary nerfs.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

it's these kinds of responses that make me angry. I am good and can complete this dungeon if need be but sir it isn't fun to me. When I play I want to have fun and the mechanics of this dungeon are not I repeat fun to me. It could be fun to you but it's not about you it is about me.

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As someone that had the misfortune to run PotD 71-80 with you not even two hours ago, your definition of fun seems to be to getting carried. Your states of being are "afk," "afk sitting on the exit while it's locked," and occasionally "running by people engaged in combat to look for the exit to resume being afk." As a PLD with 99/99 Aetherpool.