Regarding the Centurio Tiger Mount

this selfish of me.... but let it be as it is.. feels more special..

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

What I have not seen anybody explain is why this is an actual problem.
Why is it a problem that a small number of characters get an extra mount that few others will ever be able to get?

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It has been said in this thread already, it was something widely requested by many people, but it was implemented in a way that nearly everyone who requested it won't be able to obtain it.

If they don't want to lower the achievement the next best thing is to add a different version of that mount that is obtainable in a way where people actually can work towards it.

Given that they will keep adding new hunts to the game, I guess over time it will get easier to attain. Still, the way it is now encourages people to abandon duties when an S rank is relayed, which sucks.

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Originally Posted by Doki

Given that they will keep adding new hunts to the game, I guess over time it will get easier to attain. Still, the way it is now encourages people to abandon duties when an S rank is relayed, which sucks.

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Don't see why, if there're enough hunters online, the thing likely won't survive until you get there. But that might be because I'm from Balmung where there's a pretty big hunting community.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Oh they'll nerf it. They nerf everything in this game. The fact that something is hard to get doesn't sit well with most in this community. Hopefully it won't happen soon because those who earned it should have time to enjoy it at least.

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Exactly that. People are really sad in this game.

I was doing a hunt myself the other day and one of the people there rode up on one. At first, I was really surprised to see it, but then after looking at it, I was kind of disappointed. For that much work it ought to be a little bit more than just one of the unedited tigers from Yanxia. I'm happy for the people who get it but I'm not gonna bust my butt to get one myself, and I'm not gonna be sad about it either. I've got far cooler things to ride around on already. ^_^

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Originally Posted by alimdia

It has been said in this thread already, it was something widely requested by many people, but it was implemented in a way that nearly everyone who requested it won't be able to obtain it.

If they don't want to lower the achievement the next best thing is to add a different version of that mount that is obtainable in a way where people actually can work towards it.

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Or they.... just could not do that.
I mean, again, like MistakeNot said, I don't see the problem here.

While it is hard and time consuming, I think it makes the achievement more valuable and would like things to remain as they are.

Also it would be a slap in the face to those who have worked so hard and have the mount, if we nerfed it down.

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Originally Posted by Doki

Given that they will keep adding new hunts to the game, I guess over time it will get easier to attain.

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I solo ARR A ranks in about 40-50 seconds (I usually relink but in off hours nobody comes to help). In next expansion lv50 S ranks will be soloable in lv 80 gear and most of them will be soloed/ninja killed, and those people usually don't even report ToD so it'll make spawning and tracking harder. I don't think it'll be that much easier, and newer hunts like Okina tend to have increased respawn timer.

This requirement is absurd to the point where it is practically impossible, If you are someone like me (who does not do hunts) and just started to do hunts, it would take you FOREVER just to get a tiger.

2000 S ranks is absurd. Yes it should be lowered.

3000 A ranks is fine.

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Also it would be a slap in the face to those who have worked so hard and have the mount, if we nerfed it down.

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This is a game where all the uber stuff you get and difficult content you cleared is rendered So Last Season every 3 months.

If you're wanting your achievements to leave a lasting impression, you're so playing the wrong game.

Either lower the required 2,000 Rank S kills down to 1,000, or increase the rate at which Rank S targets spawn. I'm all for a challenge but 2,000 is excessive.

Actually yeah, S ranks should be able to spawn more frequently than they currently can... like if A ranks are around 3-4 hours (from what I remember?), S ranks should maybe be around 6-8 hours, not closer to 3 days. It's not like they are worth SO much more than A ranks that the significantly less frequent spawns are warranted anyway.

More frequent spawns would actually be more welcomed than simply lowering the 2k figure and it'll probably step on fewer toes to boot.

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Originally Posted by Esrain

I think reducing the amount of S ranks killed from 2,000 to 1,000 sounds reasonable.

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This.

It isn't even asking a lot, it will still take an exorbitant amount of dedication and time to just get 1000 S rank kills.

How did this fall to the second page?

i'm not close to getting this mount but i'm ok with it.
plz no nerf ! i want this mount to be as rare as possible.

It's already been obtained, which proves it's not impossible. It's a mount that signifies extreme dedication and the requirements shouldn't be changed.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

like if A ranks are around 3-4 hours (from what I remember?), S ranks should maybe be around 6-8 hours

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Just out of curiosity, have you ever partook in S rank spawning? Because even with the window absolutely open for them, it can take that long just to try and spawn the bugger. There's a collective sigh of relief in my linkshells when the last S rank is marked as dead on the tracker and everyone can go back to whatever it was they were doing, for the next couple of hours before the windows start opening again. Reducing the respawn window, especially by that much, sounds all too brutal to me XD

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Originally Posted by Telethia-

222 days. Or in hours, 5333 hours. (Ardene Pyrali of Sargatanas for the math)

1) Change the 2,000 S rank kills to 1,000 or even lower and add whatever the change back into A rank kills or even include B rank kills.*1
2) Lower the respawn timer to one day or something.

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meaning that if you do not play this game 27/4, as any reasonable human- you will never ever get this within the next 20 years. (if you play 1-2hrs/day and then actually hunt)

1) 2000 to 1000 is a big cut, esp if you combine it with no.2 on your list. I think, for people who do not play this game 24/7 its maybe better to cut the 2000 to 1500 tops and indeed lower the rq for the S to pop and their time. It sucks they reset their WAIT timer when we have a maint and they throw in alot of maints after a (big) patch > meaning no S for a long time.

what i think is best for the system and for the most ppl, is not change the req but change the hunt system (a bit). A respawn 2-3hrs is okish, bc you have lots of zones to cover and you can solo a bunch while the server is asleep. The S respawns should be lowered and also have a higher % to pop when ppl try to pop them. Some pop 100% if you do this or that and some don't pop at all even if you do the right thing over and over. This way ^, people can still enjoy the game and get things done and move to hunting in any other downtime. This game is all about gaming right? make it so that ppl have a 'fighting chance' and not only the insane devoted ones.

If they adopted a Zeni NM type system from XI, it would it much more bareable. You get a pop item from X B rank. Force spawn X A rank to get a pop used toward X S rank.

It's slightly more bareable than luck grinding.

Hey everyone,

As a player who has one of these Centurio Tiger Mounts, I feel like the asking of a "nerf" of sorts is kinda unwarranted, as a requested nerf would make this mount of less rare and lower the value of this mount.

Some of you might be saying that "I'm nowhere near the 3k A's and 2k S's", and that is to be expected, if you haven't been hunting or setting time aside to. That being said, one of my known S-Rank spawners have hit the 3k S-Rank kills, however they are on the opposite end of the spectrum of having not enough A-ranks, so go figure that one out.

Hunts can be time consuming, yes, this being said I've hunted and continue to fit in a hunt or two when I'm online. I'm also aware that hunts are different on every world and there is no guarantee that you will get to every hunt, but spend some time hunting, you will 'eventually' get there.

This mount is a crazy achievement, and rewards those who have been in the hunt game a long time a long time.

I agree! Something has to change, but even reducing it by half I'd be no where close.

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Originally Posted by ToraYukino

I agree! Something has to change, but even reducing it by half I'd be no where close.

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Why does it have to change?

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Originally Posted by Samunai

Some pop 100% if you do this or that and some don't pop at all even if you do the right thing over and over.

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This game is full of RNG, and if it's not popping 100% means the spawn isn't ready. Also S-rank spawners are a crazy bunch, I mean I've done things for hours without a pop come back a few hours later and it decides to play nice.

When do begin to play ?

I mean its for real veterans this one

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Originally Posted by hollowjf

When do begin to play ?

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The Hunt was introduced as part of Patch 2.3 and I re-joined the game shortly after that after I had some hiatus. I've been on the hunt train ever since

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Originally Posted by Samunai

meaning that if you do not play this game 27/4, as any reasonable human- you will never ever get this within the next 20 years. (if you play 1-2hrs/day and then actually hunt)

1) 2000 to 1000 is a big cut, esp if you combine it with no.2 on your list. I think, for people who do not play this game 24/7 its maybe better to cut the 2000 to 1500 tops and indeed lower the rq for the S to pop and their time. It sucks they reset their WAIT timer when we have a maint and they throw in alot of maints after a (big) patch > meaning no S for a long time.

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Hunt timers get reset post maintenance, and you are more likely to see ARR S-Ranks (min about 27 hours ish). The WAIT is more on HW & SB hunts (50 hours ish) as there is a longer respawn timer, to which you will unlikely see if the game is being updated every 2-days for hot fixes.

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Originally Posted by Yumiko_Kaneko

Hey everyone,

As a player who has one of these Centurio Tiger Mounts, I feel like the asking of a "nerf" of sorts is kinda unwarranted, as a requested nerf would make this mount of less rare and lower the value of this mount.

Some of you might be saying that "I'm nowhere near the 3k A's and 2k S's", and that is to be expected, if you haven't been hunting or setting time aside to. That being said, one of my known S-Rank spawners have hit the 3k S-Rank kills, however they are on the opposite end of the spectrum of having not enough A-ranks, so go figure that one out.

Hunts can be time consuming, yes, this being said I've hunted and continue to fit in a hunt or two when I'm online. I'm also aware that hunts are different on every world and there is no guarantee that you will get to every hunt, but spend some time hunting, you will 'eventually' get there.

This mount is a crazy achievement, and rewards those who have been in the hunt game a long time a long time.

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I started around 5 weeks after hunts came out in 2.3. I'm nowhere near the As required for the mount because I don't care. Like 30 short of 1500 atm. I AM like 4600-4700 Ss because I made a decision long ago to focus on S ranks. It was the only thing I could easily reach without it dying by the time I got there.

It's easy if you pay attention, get a good LS with people that ACTUALLY POP THE Ss; there's a huge difference between first call and it trickling down to a 4th or 5th tier repost. If you'd rather be queuing for pvp or roulettes expect to miss them.

As an example I rarely ever cap on the current capped tome tier I had like 90...? last week from 3 4.0 Ss. I just hunt S because I detest just about every other content. It's a choice. I agree it shouldn't be nerfed.

PS: it'll probably be like 5 years before I bother with enough As to get the mount and I'm okay with this because I made a choice not to make it my priority

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Originally Posted by ToraYukino

I agree! Something has to change, but even reducing it by half I'd be no where close.

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Then this reward/achivement is not for you, its for peoples who ACTUALLY hunt and help pop S rank and have been for like 2 years. Stop asking for a nerf and bla bla bla, go online and start working on it instead. This attitude of wanting a nerf on anything that you cant get in 1 month is so pathetic with this community dear god -_-

How many achivement have actually been nerf? Serious question i dont know about that. Also i will never get the parade chocobo or even the horse from mentor roulette, yet you dont see me crying in here for a nerf saying its IMPOSSIBLE -_- Go work on it or shut up about it.

Again, they can keep the numbers the same if they just nerf the timers, primarily for the older S Ranks considering how fast they die.

I don't want fewer hunts, I would just like a better chance of actually being online when that S Rank does pop. Especially if I just spent three hours trying to spawn it personally.

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Originally Posted by Yumiko_Kaneko

Hey everyone,

As a player who has one of these Centurio Tiger Mounts, I feel like the asking of a "nerf" of sorts is kinda unwarranted, as a requested nerf would make this mount of less rare and lower the value of this mount.

Some of you might be saying that "I'm nowhere near the 3k A's and 2k S's", and that is to be expected, if you haven't been hunting or setting time aside to. That being said, one of my known S-Rank spawners have hit the 3k S-Rank kills, however they are on the opposite end of the spectrum of having not enough A-ranks, so go figure that one out.

Hunts can be time consuming, yes, this being said I've hunted and continue to fit in a hunt or two when I'm online. I'm also aware that hunts are different on every world and there is no guarantee that you will get to every hunt, but spend some time hunting, you will 'eventually' get there.

This mount is a crazy achievement, and rewards those who have been in the hunt game a long time a long time.

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why do ppl think QoL changes are nerfs? :/ seeing people throw the term nerf around as if they were a nerf gun lol.

i also think the 2K amount is a bit crazy. If anything change the way hunts spawn to a smaller radius so they are not in the way of low levels/gatherers, and change the spawn time to 1 a day.


Please stop with using the excuse of "rare" and "value" as no factor, you can disagree but using the term nerf is incorrect. this is an mmo no such thing as "rare" :) value is something you put on items yourself. Its tied to memories or personal achievement.

the achievement should have never been that high from the get go.

goblin was a dead server so hunts were not huge, they still aren't. Why should people mis out on something because of a server? seems cruel if you ask me. Also come off as spoiled.

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Originally Posted by OverlordLaharl

Then this reward/achivement is not for you, its for peoples who ACTUALLY hunt and help pop S rank and have been for like 2 years. Stop asking for a nerf and bla bla bla, go online and start working on it instead. This attitude of wanting a nerf on anything that you cant get in 1 month is so pathetic with this community dear god -_-

How many achivement have actually been nerf? Serious question i dont know about that. Also i will never get the parade chocobo or even the horse from mentor roulette, yet you dont see me crying in here for a nerf saying its IMPOSSIBLE -_- Go work on it or shut up about it.

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please look up nerf before using it in a sentence, also look up entitled you mind find your picture next to it.

a few have been changed actually, a lot of the gather/fishing/mining achievements got reduced the "i found this" ones to get the blessed tools.

i don;t think you get why people are asking for changes. hunts are a hit or miss based on your server, they require you to be online at the time of spawn and based on the personal lives of the players, some can't log in during hunt timers. It also require teamwork as a ranks can be hit or miss on how well a person can solo them.

so if you are online happen to see a hunt mob, there is a chance people may not show up. You can sit for 30 min waiting for people.

Happen to me gf a lot on her alts, she would be leveling or gathering and come across a rank hunt. And no one would show up.

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Originally Posted by Leknaat

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So you admit you had to withdraw from every other type of content of the game, how many other people do you expect to do the same? When we talk about reasonable or unreasonable, this is what we're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Yumiko_Kaneko

This mount is a crazy achievement, and rewards those who have been in the hunt game a long time a long time.

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Nah, it rewards people who play 16 hours a day and don't do anything else in the game other than hunting.

@BigRed5392
Really? I feel ENTITLED for a mount that come for 2 years + of works that until recently wasnt even a thing? Thats not entitled, that called working for something. Something that most peoples arent used to actually do in this game, WORKING for a reward. There are lots of website to help you hunts, they tell you how and when to work on them. Website that are updated by the peoples who ACTUALLY hunts, not just moochers that want their shiny all of a sudden. You dont need 100 peoples to pop S rank, you only need yourself. Anybody can find a hunt LS on their server, just have to ask.

@alimdia
Exactly, this is a reward for peoples who spent years hunting. Whats wrong with that? Youre trying to say it like its a bad thing... I like working on S rank, for me its way more fun than wasting my time raiding or doing boring dungeons. And for once, we are actually getting something for it, after 2-3 years -_-

Is it impossible to get? Nope, not really.

Is it a pain to get? Definitely.

I for one do have much beef about how the tiger mount being rewarded the way it is, but I'll simply work towards it slowly and hopefully I'll get it by 6.0 (bitter laugh). If SE decided to make it easier to obtain then good for me, else I'll just grind at it one S rank at a time. Meanwhile I'm happy for my friend who got his own tiger mount.

In the end it simply boils down to one's perspective to exclusive rarity, and I don't think there's a right or wrong to it. I don't think our request to make it easier to grind for the reward is worth any more or less than your opinion to keep it rare such that it feels special, so can we at least respect each other's opinion instead of getting hostile at one another?

As long as there is people that got the mount, the request for a nerf is just a request to get things sooner.

/notsigned

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Originally Posted by alimdia

So you admit you had to withdraw from every other type of content of the game

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I think that's the biggest thing about the way hunts are. I can't think of too many other things in the game that are in the open world that require such dedication. Anything else big is within sessions, so you can run it at your own pace, the biggest danger is that you won't get world first (and while that matters to some people, it doesn't matter for the achievement). Most of the other things that are in the open world, like FATE achievements, require you to complete it only the one time, so even if it takes a while it's done and over with. Hunts meanwhile punish you for not only wanting to play the game (time is a limited resource, if I want to farm the new raid for gear, ofc I won't have time to farm birds and puppies), but for things that are far more complicated like being in a different timezone or having a work schedule that aligns with when most S ranks are open on your server. I know for a fact that when I go to bed on Thursday after a patch that I'm going to wake up to a tracker filled with dead S ranks.
Now I could transfer servers, but I have zero motivation to do that, not to mention there's no guarantee it'll help. Then there's the fact that you can miss an S rank for doing something as simple as getting a drink.

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Nah, it rewards people who play 16 hours a day and don't do anything else in the game other than hunting.

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To be fair, everyone's free to decide what to spend their game-time on. One of the side-effects of hunts being open-world content is that people feel like they can play the rest of the content in the game and still make it to hunts, and are upset when that's not true.

The relic and anima had certain steps that was done the fastest farming hunts im sure the new one for stormblood is going to require the same. Also some s ranks require you to do something special to make them spawn. Its actually not hard to look for a ranks and people that actively try to spawn s ranks are putting more work in than waiting for shouts then whining about early pulling. Even the community is responsible to record timers and what not which is what I respect about that asset. Some achievements are just meant to be gotten overtime now if we want to complain how about potd 200 solo still not done by anybody btw.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

why do ppl think QoL changes are nerfs?

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What the OP was suggesting was a QoL change, based on the fact that this achievement is closer the improbable to achieve category (spend a lot of time in the hunt game opposed to other things). This is also defined as a "nerf" in the requirements as the OP was requesting at least a halving of what is current.

The QoL changes with regards to hunt respawn timers has also been thrown into the mix. If that is done you can basically throw the community compiled data out the window, so much for 4 years of data.

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Please stop with using the excuse of "rare" and "value" as no factor... Its tied to memories or personal achievement.

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I love the fact this is rare and it's taken forever in a day to get, it's some sort of trophy mount if anything else, and secondly it's a personal achievement.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

i don;t think you get why people are asking for changes.

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Don't get me wrong, but the times I'm normally on, hunts are are a fairly dead thing (NA server, AU timezone). I'll be frank, a lot of times I wake up and a lot of hunts are dead, and I spawn things where I can.

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It also require teamwork as a ranks can be hit or miss on how well a person can solo them.

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Soloing hunts is a thing, yes, but that makes it harder for someone else to get their achievement.

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So if you are online happen to see a hunt mob, there is a chance people may not show up. You can sit for 30 min waiting for people.

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There is always a chance people aren't going to show up, there is other content that people may be doing. 30 minutes of waiting is a freaking long time, you could be doing other things in that time.

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