SE, it is time to speak up

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

He could have not responded at all, you know.

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pls don't be a gullible sheep...we have evolved beyond that...

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-in-Patch-4.1

Ask and you shall receive.

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Wow, SE actually listened? God Bless

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Originally Posted by Yonanja

They don't really seem to have a real solution in the works at all, and I'd say they're most likely just going to wait until this blows over.

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Actually the one positive thing many ppl are overlooking due to the housing shortage is the introduction of the housing relocation system. SE can continue to fix the issues in it as Yoshi stated this morning.

The reason I mention this is it can be utilized in the future if they decide to overhaul housing or major reworks to it. The relocation system can be utilized for migration in the future.

Just a basic example. Wards become free company housing only. All privately owned homes are migrated over to a separate instanced system. They can also tailor it to their needs as already shown. % back of gil, the new item storage, etc.

You can take many of the suggestions made on these forums and plug them into the relocation system as a migration tool. This is of course if SE decides to address the issue.

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Originally Posted by Enla

To be entirely fair EVERYONE who wasn't on those two servers ignored and derided the problem back then. I very clearly remember people coming to the forums to complain and essentially being laughed at because it wasn't an issue anywhere else at the time due to the lack of push to fill non-congested worlds. I think it was foolish of the developers not to notice the ticking time bomb this problem was going to be, but when most of your population is saying it isn't a problem I can't really say I don't understand why they kicked it until another day.

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Not mad at you and only partially mad at the community. But WHAT TH H3LL!!! I have the same complaint I have at 4.0 "Does this team not know how to count?" They couldn't count how many Stormbloods they sold and how many instances they would need. Players have a rough idea per server how many people might be able to get a house based on 70s and achievements nothing really solid. The dev team can seriously say today "X amount of FCs and X amount of players meet the requirement for housing per world or game."

They don't have to say everyone gets a house. We know how awesome this system is right now anyways. But they sure as heel could say we only have enough for 10% (random number) or eligible players/fcs and work from their.

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Originally Posted by Mindylou

pls don't be a gullible sheep...we have evolved beyond that...

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He is right though, the Dev team could have ignored the problem and let it blow over. It takes a lot of love for the community for the producer to hold his hand up and apologise to the players, especially so promptly. Whether the 4.2 changes fix much we have no idea, but the devs have given a satisfactory response that deserves to be listened to.

DAE remember when FFXI gave EVERYONE an instanced house you could place furnishing in for FREE, and later a huge ass garden island where you raised creatures...for FREE? Just sayin

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

He is right though, the Dev team could have ignored the problem and let it blow over. It takes a lot of love for the community for the producer to hold his hand up and apologise to the players, especially so promptly.

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https://kotaku.com/another-final-fan...are-1819324129 That is a site that does nothing but praise 14. He had to get on top of this. He spends tonnes of time per year as PR. He is literally the PR man. What "love" I literally palmed my head when I read "love". The last few times 14s housing debacle has been ignored by media. They also have recent tanking scores from the steam issue. This game could literally be community rated dumpster fire before any Xmas sales. Yet you think it is "love".

While I may question his ability to see simple MMO problems. I will never question his ability to spin PR straw into gold.

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Originally Posted by Mindylou

pls don't be a gullible sheep...we have evolved beyond that...

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Not gullible at all, nor am I ignorant to their past mistakes...hence my signature. Just saying that they could have continued to flat out ignore the issue. It might still end up crashing and burning, and I can accept that.

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Originally Posted by Yonanja

Also his response was pretty much not saying much, just telling people people they've noticed the complaining (they'd have to be blind and deaf not to).

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Well, he was deliberately vague about changes in how the new plots would be sold (apart from saying there would be changes), but the plan to add more wards in all regions in 4.2 was clear enough.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

I have the same complaint I have at 4.0 "Does this team not know how to count?"

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That's pretty much the complaint people have been bringing up with every housing update since 2.1 when it was first introduced.

He said he wasn't releasing details. That makes me think changes to the system are coming. I'm worried it will go to one house per account and people with two houses will automatically lose the extras.

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Originally Posted by Gravton

I'm worried it will go to one house per account and people with two houses will automatically lose the extras.

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Well, assuming the translation picked up the nuances accurately (never a sure thing), it doesn't sound to me like changes to the rules on existing houses:

"We’ve also received considerable feedback as to how they should be added, and we will be making an announcement outlining the number of new wards and how they will be sold after reviewing said feedback."

How they should be added and how they should be sold sounds more like changes in how to get the new ones, something besides being the first to get online after downloading a big patch update. It could be timed releases a little while after servers come back up. It could be a lottery system where who gets to buy is chosen randomly rather than by who gets there first. They might add rules to prevent players from selling plots to discourage house flipping (like a delay between relinquishing a plot and making it available to other buyers, so that the relinquisher doesn't get a chance to guarantee who would get it). It could be a change in pricing. There's a number of possibilities.

Of course, that doesn't preclude also having changes in rules about multiple houses. I'm pretty sure, though, that if they limit people to one personal house per account, they'd have to also allow people to share that house between all their alts. A lot of people would find that sort of sharing to be a big bonus as it's something we can't do now, though many of us want to. So while some might be upset at not having multiple houses, others would be happy about finally being able to share one.

I am with Niwashi. It is probably a reference to the sold out before login. You can't even compete for a house if you can't get past the login server. Last time when the forums mocked (that's right mocked) Balmung/Gilgamesh when houses sold out it was the login issue front and center.

It was asked that they look into selling houses after the server is up and stable and the world is full. Is it possible a zone might crash. Yes. But people might now feel so hurt if someone out runs them. Still bitter, but not as hurt. If you both run side by side you can think you might beat them. Essential a digital version of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emew67J8OzY

At least they are going to try to do something! No, it won't be perfect. No, it won't make everyone happy because that's impossible. As they did not say specifically what they will be doing all the speculation is just talk which means nothing. Go play FFXIV and wait and see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

At least they are going to try to do something! No, it won't be perfect. No, it won't make everyone happy because that's impossible. As they did not say specifically what they will be doing all the speculation is just talk which means nothing. Go play FFXIV and wait and see what happens.

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Honestly, I'm just glad we are getting new wards.

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

At least they are going to try to do something! No, it won't be perfect. No, it won't make everyone happy because that's impossible. As they did not say specifically what they will be doing all the speculation is just talk which means nothing. Go play FFXIV and wait and see what happens.

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It says more wards. "we will be working to bolster our servers in preparation for additional wards in the Lavender Beds, the Goblet, Mist, and Shirogane by patch 4.2." pretty clear it is same system just more. The other stuff is just a way to try to even it out better past SE awesome login system.