FFXIV Sneak peek inside Job Weapon skills

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

animations locks are peoples own mistakes. its ok to be stuck in an animation lock if you now when its safe to be in one. If your stuck in an animation at the wrong time its cause you did the WS at the wrong time.

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Exactly what I was trying to get at.

Hot damn, Monk is epic to me at least. War is pretty swanky as well but the MNK one tops it IMHO.

Holly shit!! incredible monk move!!!!!! I am so happy!
The Warrior one pales in comparison although still good :)

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Originally Posted by Altera

Isnt that "dance"move what they call Capoeria? Brazilian fighting style

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Not quite, that particular move is present in more than one martial art. But yes, Capoeira (which is actually a martial art that began with african slaves) uses a large amount of moves like that, often uses the handstand and in fact even has a flip kick like the inital hit (called 'Martelo' or 'Hammer' in english, although you keep a foot on the ground) and actually the second kick he does is ALSO probably a capoeira move.

Edit: Orraite- Not an actual practitioner but I am Brazilian. And personally had been on the recieving end of a move at least once. It hurts

Oh! I can't stop watchin MNK WS animation. It is soooo good. Can't wait 1.21. Thank you for this videos. WAR looks great too.

They look really col to me. I'm glad there will be more completely different moves. I'm tired of just swinging my weapon and seeing some light flashs.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

funny lots of people on JP side actually complaining about the MNK's WS I like it personally, just wish they add little bit more weight or charging for the player to start the drop kick. Also for the Warrior looks nice but makes the axe too light so maybe add some more effect to make it look like there is weight of axe involved.

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so why dont they like it? is it too good for them?

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Originally Posted by Colino

I think the MNK one is a bit redundant, especially the dumb dance move he pulls off at the end.

The WAR is alright I suppose... I hope these aren't prime examples of the new animations though as I'm expecting much better!

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THANK YOU!!

i thought both were kinda boring.

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Originally Posted by Searious

They look really col to me. I'm glad there will be more completely different moves. I'm tired of just swinging my weapon and seeing some light flashs.

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isnt that literally what the WAR WS is though? he swung his axe around once with just a split second light flash appearing on the mob.....

The monk one was boring?
wth? glasses? :P

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

I need to find the appropriate breakitdown soundtrack for when I get MNK and I start servin' mobs left and right.

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Too bad it will likely have a 60 or 80 second cooldown like all the other decent weapon skills =( Serving left and right just became serving occasionally.

Monk WS Looks cooler, but i imagine the warrior one will still be better since the next 2 endgame features are dungeons which will mean we will likely be aoe'ing mobs. We won't be able to run through them like we do in darkhold... Hell, we wont be able to even do darkhold speed runs (which means half the loot from bat will become unobtainable). No more moving while casting = no more healing while kiting for the tanks. And no more self-healing tanks in moogle or darkhold.

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Originally Posted by Meleena

The monk one was boring?
wth? glasses? :P

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lol wtf low expectations have you?
the spinning around was pretty cool, but there wasnt anything else flashy about it, just a few split second slashes.... who cares?

i suspect you dont have many problems with the way most of the zones and current animations look too. so sad.
then again i dont think there are a whole lot of fashionistas or die hard art fans on these forums either, so anything SE throws out is accepted as awe inspiring.

Name one move that better in this game.
The characters were barely leaving the ground in 3 attacks (archer, pug and lancer) and this move with the jumps, the spins and the breakdabce at the end is not good enough?

Go troll someone else, this is not working, I can see the video :)

EDIT for your edit:
Again, remove both of your eyepatches

I kind of like the way the MNK WS looks but there is no way they're going to be able to eliminate animation lock and not make that look ridiculous while moving. I think this is a major problem for the game going forward. It wasn't an issue in FFXI because in that game there was much less emphasis on positioning (Eruption, Radiant Plume) but FFXIV is different and while I'm glad they've explored new (for SE) design space, it just isn't compatible with animation locks.

The WAR WS was kind of boring, I think. The axe doesn't make a beefy impact but rather seems to only make a strong gust of wind or something. I really liked the animation for Brutal Swing (pre 1.20) where you pretty much Hulk Smashed the ground to dust. That's the kind of power and oomph I expect from an axe WS.

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Originally Posted by Meleena

Name one move that better in this game.
The characters were barely leaving the ground in 3 attacks (archer, pug and lancer) and this move with the jumps, the spins and the breakdabce at the ebd is not good enough?

Go troll someone else, this is not working, I can see the video :)

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i wasnt trolling anyone, i stated my opinion and you trolled me so i responded. i can see the video too.

some of the weapon skills introduced at 1.19 blew both of these weapon skills away but were taken out at 1.20 so i know exactly what im talking about. the old lancer ability where he got all fancy and jumped in the air was pretty amazing, neither of these compare to that.

and you want comparisons? try playing another MMO. the graphics may not be as high as FFXIV but the animations themselves in other MMOs are just as flashy if not more. plus there are other games that will be coming out this year that also have flashier and fancier battle animations. FFXI also has fancier and flashier animations.

edit: know your place. you have tacky taste.

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the old lancer ability where he got all fancy and jumped in the air was pretty amazing, neither of these compare to that.

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No

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and you want comparisons? try playing another MMO. the graphics may not be as high as FFXIV but the animations themselves in other MMOs are just as flashy if not more. plus there are other games that will be coming out this year that also have flashier and fancier battle animations. FFXI also has fancier and flashier animations.

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I get what you mean, you are talking about the flash effects and not the animation movement itself.
Ok it only has 2 flash effects I agree

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edit: know your place. you have tacky taste.

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Says the man that thinks that a simple jump is better animated than what we have seen in the video

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Originally Posted by Frein

I kind of like the way the MNK WS looks but there is no way they're going to be able to eliminate animation lock and not make that look ridiculous while moving. I think this is a major problem for the game going forward. It wasn't an issue in FFXI because in that game there was much less emphasis on positioning (Eruption, Radiant Plume) but FFXIV is different and while I'm glad they've explored new (for SE) design space, it just isn't compatible with animation locks.

The WAR WS was kind of boring, I think. The axe doesn't make a beefy impact but rather seems to only make a strong gust of wind or something. I really liked the animation for Brutal Swing (pre 1.20) where you pretty much Hulk Smashed the ground to dust. That's the kind of power and oomph I expect from an axe WS.

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thats my biggest problem with WARs animation. it looks weightless and not very "slam/smash/bang" which is exactly what i think of when i think of the words MRD/WAR and the way the class itself looks in its armour.

as for MNK, perhaps im biased but i dont think capoira is a very pretty to look at martial art. this WS looks like a cheesy and non flashy fusion of a chinese art and capoire, just not my taste.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

edit: know your place. you have tacky taste.

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http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln...w4pgo1_500.jpg
Hey man I think you forgot to take your hipster shades with you.

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Originally Posted by Meleena

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I get what you mean, you are talking about the flash effects and not the animation movement itself.
Ok it only has 2 flash effects I agree

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#1 yes because your taste in aesthetics dont compare to mine so my opinion is more fact compared to yours

#2 WARs animation was boring, enough said.

I didnt say anything about war, its a simple spin jamp.

The monk one is the best move weve seen in game so far and thats the end of it :)

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Originally Posted by Jynx

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln...w4pgo1_500.jpg
Hey man I think you forgot to take your hipster shades with you.

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i live in LA and burn hipsters on site, dont compare me to them. i am not a hipster. hipsters are shaggy, wear terrible ill fitted clothing and have gross facial hair.

itd be more accurate to compare me to an anorexic wannabe model dressed in anything but tans, browns, plaids and denim... which are for commoners.

And who said that this is capoeira?
Have you ever seen capoeira?

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Originally Posted by Meleena

And who said that this is capoeira?
Have you ever seen capoeira?

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omg there are like 20 posts on this thread alone comparing it to capoeira.

All are wrong

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Originally Posted by Meleena

All are wrong

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I agree. I think it's closer to shaolin kung-fu than capoeira.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

lol wtf low expectations have you?

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Low expectations? Or just the fact it seems people want more seizure inducing flashing lights you can see from 10 zones away to be seen as "good"?

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Low expectations? Or just the fact it seems people want more seizure inducing flashing lights you can see from 10 zones away to be seen as "good"?

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sounds purty gewd to me!
the WSs need more sparkles.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

isnt that literally what the WAR WS is though? he swung his axe around once with just a split second light flash appearing on the mob.....

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no...
This is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYFIGtkuo-Q
The first 45 seconds and 4 attacks he's doing the same boring upwards swing with some speciial effects.

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Originally Posted by Searious

no...
This is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYFIGtkuo-Q
The first 45 seconds and 4 attacks he's doing the same boring upwards swing with some speciial effects.

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oh yeah i know all too well the crappyness of that animation.
the new one is only a change of pace in my opinion, nothing to be proud of showing off though.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

edit: know your place. you have tacky taste.

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"Know your place"? Seriously...?

Who do you think you are? Certainly nobody in ANY position to tell another person what they can and can't like, and definitely not the authority on what looks good and what doesn't.

Stop pushing your opinion as fact.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

thats my biggest problem with WARs animation. it looks weightless and not very "slam/smash/bang" which is exactly what i think of when i think of the words MRD/WAR and the way the class itself looks in its armour.

as for MNK, perhaps im biased but i dont think capoira is a very pretty to look at martial art. this WS looks like a cheesy and non flashy fusion of a chinese art and capoire, just not my taste.

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Yes, because a skill called Steel Cyclone should slam, smash and/or bang.

Sorry, when I think of metal and a strong force of wind I think cut.

Though I do agree with the person that said the axe did not feel heavy enough. When I think of someone flinging an axe high up in the air, I think of someone using the momentum of the axe after a strong delayed slash. Maybe cause a bit of delay in the movements and make him end it with holding the axe on one hand towards the back and not being as high, or at least not as easy as he made it seem to be.

For Monk, I thought it looked sick. Only potential problem I see is the animation lock, but considering the combo bonus renders the target to be unable to use weapon skills after using pounce which stuns, I'd say in PvP it won't be affected much and in PvE the side affect is pretty deadly.

Edit: Looking at it again, the warrior is using both hands which would make it easier. Maybe the amount of spins and/or the speed of the spins would fix the fact that it seems like a very light axe.

I really don't get how a statement of opinions turn into this big war every time around here. People can't seem to agree to disagree.

Either way, I felt like the Monk's Weapon-Skill animation was pretty awesome. Being as though the Monk is supposed to be a master of martial arts, I pretty much expect to see flashy moves like this as well as even better moves. When I think monk, I think radical movements because, simply put, they're using their bodies as weapons. It needs to look good, otherwise it'd be kind of boring like PUG's "Pummel".

Also, the Warrior's weapon skill seemed kind of normal to me, nothing really to phone home about, but it still looks good. Being as though the Warrior is based around "Brawn" rather than "Speed, Strength, and Agility" like the Monk, I don't expect him to be doing any crazy flips or anything, so that spin jump works just fine.

These are really good, Devs, can't wait to see more!

Edit: For the record, there is no Capoeira in that Monk's Weapon-Skill. I've seen that method of getting up from the ground in a number of games. One such example being Chun-Li's Level 3 Hyper Combo from Marvel vs Capcom 3. Watch the last (0:45 second mark) part of this video and you'll see the same method of getting up after a powerful kicking combo. Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE63z...eature=related

Also to note, Cammy uses this same method to recover from a knock-down in the Street Fighter IV series.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

oh yeah i know all too well the crappyness of that animation.
the new one is only a change of pace in my opinion, nothing to be proud of showing off though.

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I have a feeling you'd say that no matter what the new animation looked like.

These are vast improvements over the old skills. I'm just hoping every weapons skill gets it's own animation instead of the same one for each move.

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

"Know your place"? Seriously...?

Who do you think you are? Certainly nobody in ANY position to tell another person what they can and can't like, and definitely not the authority on what looks good and what doesn't.

Stop pushing your opinion as fact.

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that was in response to this

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EDIT for your edit:
Again, remove both of your eyepatches

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im not blind, i stated my opinion of the flashy ness of the WSs being less than what i was expecting and they decided to tell me i was wrong, i then used the WS they gave and then removed from LNC as my example of flashy which by all means was more flashy, and was still told i was wrong. i can be catty too.

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Says the man that thinks that a simple jump is better animated than what we have seen in the video

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what simple jump are you talking about? have you never seen the LNC WS that was added at 1.19? it wasnt just a simple jump you damn moron. it had light effects on top of an elaborate animation.
i by no means have to like or approve of these WSs. i already stated i think the MNK one was pretty cool but lacked sparkles. the WAR one is just not impressive and pales in comparison to the LNC ability im talking about.

and as far as pushing my opinions as fact, again, i can be just as catty as that bitch trying to tell me i need to like both these animations completely for what they are, which i dont have to.
second of all, anything less than the aesthetics of FFXIs skill animations is sub par, how can any of you deny that? its mind boggling.

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Originally Posted by Searious

I have a feeling you'd say that no matter what the new animation looked like.

These are vast improvements over the old skills. I'm just hoping every weapons skill gets it's own animation instead of the same one for each move.

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this is untrue as i had a fondness of a one or two WS animations introduced in 1.19.

im not negative for the sake of it, im negative because i dont practice a filter when i feel i dont need to. i genuinely am not blown away by either of these while a handful of people are pretty much going "OH MY GOD /JAW DROP OMFG I CANT BELIEVE IT /SIEZURE" and i just think really? how are you gonna handle the even cooler more elaborate effects that will be added in the games future if you can barely keep your panties dry as it is?

Animation lock is nothing new, they are always there in other games. My suggestion is to learn the proper time to execute them, which is nothing new IMO. It shouldn't be a problem at all in the new graphic engine the dev team is so confident in.



About this silly argument about which WS has more "sparkles" ...... You're entitle of your own opinions and I respect that. I'm entitle of my own and I think they're both "fabulous" Do we have an understanding? I sure hope you do understand.. (this is addressed to Dreadnought)

Every one of these animation could just be your war simulating playing ball-in-a-cup or doing the macerena, and they would still be better then the ones we have now.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Every one of these animation could just be your war simulating playing ball-in-a-cup or doing the macerena, and they would still be better then the ones we have now.

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Hmmm... A Macerena /emote would be cool I think.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

edit: know your place. you have tacky taste.

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If you are being serious, I have only one thing to say to you:
BETCH PLZ

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

[...] people are pretty much going "OH MY GOD /JAW DROP OMFG I CANT BELIEVE IT /SIEZURE" and i just think really? how are you gonna handle the even cooler more elaborate effects that will be added in the games future if you can barely keep your panties dry as it is?

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I'm guessing they'll be even more pleased?

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

i wasnt trolling anyone, [...]

know your place. you have tacky taste.

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...Um...no. That is not what someone who doesn't troll others would exactly say.