Moonfire Faire

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Considering no dungeon gear has ever been dyeable, I imagine they'd have to make a whole new version anyway.

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Excuse. Why? They made all the racial gear pieces which were all unique, dyeable in a patch. When they weren't before. So yeah. Excuse. If they can make that gear dyeable, they could've made Shisui dyeable.

I'm conflicted. On one hand, I think the sets are pretty and would love a dyeable version. On the other hand, I hate that SE puts out dyeable versions of previously non-dyeable gear and is like "LOOK, NEW STUFF!" But back on the other hand, creating art assets is time consuming. But back on the other other hand, it's hard not to see this as lazy. But on the other other other hand, a lot of work clearly went into Stormblood. But on the other other other other hand, they really couldn't think of anything else?

At the very least, they couldn't even be bothered to give us every version of the set? The healer/caster tops have sleeves, the tank set has armor bits on it, the caster bottom doesn't have a skirt, etc. How much work would it really be to give us dyeable versions of all those sets? The differences seem trivial from a work standpoint, you clearly aren't making new models, but you couldn't even grant us that, SE?

I don't like being negative, but geez. The event hasn't even started and it's already left a bad taste.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

I forgot to add this in my first post but:


http://i.imgur.com/cJOZSgx.jpg

I really cringe when I see this set and the model in the picture. Like, no wonder why male stuff isn't good looking. Model has no muscle definition and the shape is almost a straight line(What happened to V-shape? :( ). Its only personal opinion I guess... but the shisui on males isn't attractive at all and I'll go even further to say that none of the swimwear for males was ever attractive. And they kinda look similar.. Maybe males should just get non-swimwear for Summer <.<

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If you're looking for a v shape why ya previewing on a midlander?

http://i.imgur.com/Nlf9KBm.png

That said, thinking about it from my last post- if we had to get only one set I wish we were getting the m/f healer ones. They're the cutest of the bunch :c

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Excuse. Why? They made all the racial gear pieces which were all unique, dyeable in a patch. When they weren't before. So yeah. Excuse. If they can make that gear dyeable, they could've made Shisui dyeable.

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While fair, that was a patch update. This is a side event they won't even turn the servers off for. I imagine the unique sets took far more work, hence why they bundled it into a patch in lieu of just saying, "here you go!" Personally, I just don't care enough whether it's "lazy" or not. It clears up my inventory for a set I rather fancy.

Moonfire Waire?

The dungeon gear should have been dyable, instead they decided to release 1 via the dungeons and the dyable version as a event reward, this screams laziness. I was hoping for the kimono/yukata outfits as this years Moonfire Faire reward, instead we get another rehash.

#inbeforekuganenpcoutfitcomestomogstation

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Originally Posted by Rokke

If you're looking for a v shape why ya previewing on a midlander?

http://i.imgur.com/Nlf9KBm.png

That said, thinking about it from my last post- if we had to get only one set I wish we were getting the m/f healer ones. They're the cutest of the bunch :c

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Cant even tell if that's a man or a woman :mad:

(I know it's a guy..)

Too much V-Shape!

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Originally Posted by Laerune

#inbeforekuganenpcoutfitcomestomogstation

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Pretty sure the first or one of the finest full length yukata will be at the kupo store, if we ever get one that is.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

Pretty sure the first or one of the finest full length yukata will be at the kupo store, if we ever get one that is.

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So sad but so true....

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I don't see it as lazy so much as they are focusing on other things and decided this was a good solution since many wanted dyeable versions anyway.

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This. We just got a huge expansion with two extra updates a few weeks afterwards, and we have two events coming (Moonfire and the Rising). Devs needing to save time because they're already giving us a lot of stuff isn't laziness. Given them a break.

Besides, I find the Moonfire rewards very nice myself. First of all, they're releasing an improved version of my favourite type of set, which my WHM character couldn't wear (and she still couldn't have worn it if we simply got "dyeable dungeon sets"). Second because we can have the dyeable version *now*, otherwise we'd have had to wait many months, if not until 5.0 itself. Third, because I'm personally an alt-holic and now my low level alts have a chance to wear it too.

(Oh, and fourth, I really, really disliked the sleeves and extra details in the original sets; they somehow screamed like cheap e-bay cosplay to me, so I like the Moonfire top much better *amused*).

tl;dr, I don't think the event is bad at all, I understand why it's this way, and I sure will be enjoying it.

Wish we were getting the sleeves on the top..

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Originally Posted by Rokke

If you're looking for a v shape why ya previewing on a midlander?

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When they said V shape they meant the cut of the speedo from the front. Like
http://i.imgur.com/ODT7vto.jpg

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Originally Posted by Lildragora

Wish we were getting the sleeves on the top..

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Wish we got the healer set instead if we only get to have one option :x

My only real regret is that we girls can't get that pant, I find it pretty nice and would not mind switching the skirt for it :/

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

http://i.imgur.com/cJOZSgx.jpg

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I was really hoping the breifs would be minimal in appearance. Much like the healer bottoms for dudes, but without the little waist flaps on the sides.

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Originally Posted by Celef

My only real regret is that we girls can't get that pant, I find it pretty nice and would not mind switching the skirt for it :/

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While I'm very happy with the skirt myself, I also wish that the bottom male piece was available for female characters ;w; It looks very nice.

So... they start with 10min event containing 3 quests, and now they're making gear copy/paste? What's the point of event anymore? Where did last year event go with the cool quests and armor and emote? (Mog station I know). I know they just relased SB but even the one from HW's release year had better stuff.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

This honestly doesn't make sense whatsoever.

You're telling people to learn self-respect when you're promoting/condoning backlash to a company? Just move on with your life or wait until next year. Where was this when they decided to take their two month extra off developing content back during the break between 3.0 and 3.1? Did you also state then that this is unacceptable and we have to learn "self-respect" to get our moneys worth? Get our sub back for those two months that lacked content? Vote with your wallet, because at least then you'll have the dignity of not looking like a child crying that they didn't get their lolly... honestly...

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I repeat, you're a customer and this game is a product. SE isn't your mom or your boss, they're not granting you a privilege.
Of course you should complain when something displeases you, otherwise the company will assume they're doing good (or that they can get away with it). Criticism is important.
This event overall isn't that significant but it's part of a bigger problem lately. SB launched with less skins than usual, the new crafted gear is a dyable version of WoD gear instead of a new skin, and worst of all they released a cash shop exclusive set and exclusives emotes a few months ago (something that's downright disrespectful for a game with a subscription). Do you still not see the issue ? What does this say about the future ?

I'll ignore the blatant ad hominem for the sake of discussion.

The gold saucer event was just an disappointment because you got every single price of the event by doing one quest. (I mean they even gave us 30k as a reward to buy everything at once)

Yet they got even lazier and just copy pasted an existing dungeon gear, took some parts away and made it dyeable. :/ Who would ever swim with socks on? This also means that anyone that wants at least one dyeable set will have to buy it from the mog station next year if they miss it this year..

Really after seeing my first event in Rift I just shake my head at the so called "events" here in FF14. Its mostly just short fates and stuff and mostly done in a few minutes. While in Rift you have so many achievements that you can do and so many things to buy.

At least you could have given us all the sets as dyeable gear for this event..this would have at least helped for storage problems..but its even just one too.

Glamour is truly not strong in SB..and I really fear that the only good stuff will go into the mog station.

Funny fact is, if they did not add previous rewards in kupo shop but gave us the ability to get those back next year instead people would probably not call them lazy cause more rewards = more time spent on the event (for those who missed it the past year)

https://media.tenor.com/images/518a9...5ea4/tenor.gif
SE on shooting yourself in the foot.
(do english speakers use that expression too ?)

To be fair, whilst I'm not impressed with the rewards on offer this time around whether or not a reward is 'good' is subjective to any given individual. The rewards for the anniversary event and/or the Halloween event may be much more subjectively appealing and meaty. We'll just have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

It clears up my inventory for a set I rather fancy.

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This doesn't clear up inventory space. The Moonfire Faire outfit is just the Striking set, which is different from the other Shisui sets. This is literally just adding yet another item to inventory.

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Originally Posted by Galaktica

At the very least, they couldn't even be bothered to give us every version of the set? The healer/caster tops have sleeves, the tank set has armor bits on it, the caster bottom doesn't have a skirt, etc. How much work would it really be to give us dyeable versions of all those sets? The differences seem trivial from a work standpoint, you clearly aren't making new models, but you couldn't even grant us that, SE?\

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But, how else would they have items for <insert event name> later on?

Not a fan of chaps. I don't need to be showing that much crotch.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

This. We just got a huge expansion with two extra updates a few weeks afterwards, and we have two events coming (Moonfire and the Rising). Devs needing to save time because they're already giving us a lot of stuff isn't laziness. Given them a break.

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Another excuse. Let's recall the the events from Heavensward, an expansion so taxing on the Devs that they had to take a 2 month break.

June 2015 Heavensward Release:
-Entire expansion
-3 new jobs
-New Race

July 2015 Updates 3.01-3.05:
-Class changes

August 2015 Moonfire Faire:
-Black Swimset
-Sun Swimset
-Moon Swimset
-Bikinis:
--White Halter
--Blue-Striped Halter
--Green-Striped Halter
--Red Striped Halter
-Knickers:
--Black Knickers
--Sun Knickers
--Moon Knickers
-One-Piece swimwear:
--White One-Piece
--Red-striped One-Piece
--Blue-Striped One-Piece
--Green-Striped One-Piece
-Yukatas in many colors
-Sandals
-Clogs
-Fireworks items

August or September 2015 The Rising:
-Unique questline where we help Yoshida defeat clockwork spiders and we visit the 19th floor and get to talk to all the Devs and get nice reveals like Red Mage, Thordan, and Samurai
-Moenbryda Minion
-Yugiri Minion(Or was it Ysayle?)

October 2015 All Saints' Wake:
-Witch hat,
-Witch gloves,
-Witch feet,
-Witch coatee
-Witch broom mount
-All Saints' Wake wallpaper
-All Saints' Wake Flooring
-Halloween Furniture

November 2015 3.1(smallest patch like, ever

December 2015 Christmas Event:
-Reindeer Hands
-Reindeer Hooves
-Reindeer Antlers w/ Rudolf nose
-Santa hat w/ beard
-Santa beard
-Christmas Wallpaper
-Furniture I can't remember

January 2016 Iroha event:
-Amatsu Headband
-Amatsu Armor
-Amatsu Gauntlets
-Amatsu Pants
-Amatsu Greaves

January 2016 Heavensturn:
-Nobody cares about Heavensturn
-Unique Cyclops FATE

Febuary 2016 Valentione's Day:
-Paramour Earrings
-Platinum Paramour Earrings
-Paramour Hat
-Paramour Bed
-Paramour Couch left
-Paramour Couch right

March(?) or April 2016 Hatching Tide:
-A bunch of unique repeatable minigames
-I missed this so I don't know what the rewards are
-Papaya Orchestrion Roll

Sometime during April-June 2016 Make It Rain:
-Eureka emote
-I missed this so I don't know what the rewards are

August 2016 Moonfire Faire:
-Posing Ranger Helmet
-Posing Ranger Armor
-Posing Ranger Gauntlets
-Posing Ranger Greaves
-Red Ranger Emotes A and B
-Yellow Ranger Emotes A and B
-Black Ranger Emotes A and B
-Moonfire Faire Orchestrion Roll

August or September 2016 The Rising:
-Heavensward Orchestrion Roll
-Yugiri Minion??

October 2016 All Saints' Wake:
-Vampire Top
-Pumpkin Guy minion
-All Saints' Wake Orchestrion Roll

December 2016 Christmas Event:
-Saint Coat
-Indoor Tree
-Christmas Orchestrion Roll

January 2017 Heavensturn:
-Animal Hat
-Heavensturn Orchestrion Roll

February 2017 Valentine's Day:
-Paramour Vase
-Angel of Mercy minion
-Valentine's Day Orchestrion Roll

March(?) 2017 Little Ladies Day:
-Songbird Hat
-Songbird Top
-Songbird Hands
-Songbird Bottom
-Songbird Shoes
-Songbird Painting

April 2017 Hatching Tide:
-Egg Mount?

June 2017 Make It Rain:
-Rainmaker Hair

Notice how rewards just get less and less.. Minus Little Ladies day

FYI:

https://twitter.com/FF_XIV_EN/status/892528187913027584

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGLk5IXUwAAb8J9.jpg:large

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Originally Posted by whiteblade89

Whose bright idea was it to give the male outfit crotch-less chaps?

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So chaps? (since chaps are always crotch-less)

If they didn't add the fuga set to the cash shop we would've had an unique set for this year's Moonfire Faire.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

So chaps? (since chaps are always crotch-less)

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Touche sir. Did not know that. Made the correction.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Another excuse. Let's recall the the events from Heavensward, an expansion so taxing on the Devs that they had to take a 2 month break.

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Not gonna quote the entire list, but here's a few corrections.

Your list of the rewards from the 2015 Moonfire Faire is actually from the 2014 one. The 2015 one had two variations of southern seas tops and bottoms.
The 2015 Rising Event had Ysayle and Yugiri minions, not Moenbryda.
The Iroha event was a collaboration event with FFXI, and not a seasonal event.
The 2016 Rising Event had Krile and Dress-up Y'shtola minions.
The 2017 Little Ladies Day also had the Songbird dance emote.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Notice how rewards just get less and less.. Minus Little Ladies day

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Because we haven't gotten the remaining events for this year yet. If you've been playing XIV for a while, you'll notice that they always pick some events to develop more rewards for, while other events get less rewards. This changes every year.

Example: Little Ladies Day
2017: Full set for each gender, an emote, and two furnishing pieces.
2016: A chest and shoes for each gender, and one furnishing,
2015: A necklace and two furnishings.
2014: A minion, and earrings.

In comparison to: Valentione's Day
2017: Emote, a minion, a furnishing and an orchestrion roll.
2016: Two hats, two earrings, three furnishings.
2015: A barding and two furnishings.
2014: A hat, gloves and boots for both genders, chest and pants that were gender specific. Three necklaces.

As you can see, the 2014 Valentione's Day event had more rewards than the 2014 Little Ladies Day, while the 2017 Little Ladies Day event had more rewards than the 2017 Valentione's Day event.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

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I never did the 2014 summer event as I had not joined at that point. But I remember those items being in there(2015 summer) for sure...

And I see there were alot of things I missed with a bunch of events in 15, 16, and 17 lol. It still doesn't change the pattern <.<. Like it's literally not just one odd event with only one or two rewards. It was one after the other ever since Saints' Wake 2016. And the events also have no depth anymore. Grab quest -> Talk to NPC -> Complete.

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Originally Posted by whiteblade89

Not a fan of chaps. I don't need to be showing that much crotch.

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The crotch is just as covered as usual it's your inner thigh that's on display. Dat thighgap.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

And the events also have no depth anymore. Grab quest -> Talk to NPC -> Complete.

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They usually seem to put more into the quests for Christmas and Halloween. Halloween had unique instance quests last year and Christmas had a lot of story that brought back some 1.0 npcs.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

I never did the 2014 summer event as I had not joined at that point. But I remember those items being in there(2015 summer) for sure...

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They were added to the mogstation in 2015, so I'm fairly sure that they weren't obtainable through in-game means, at that point.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

And I see there were alot of things I missed with a bunch of events in 15, 16, and 17 lol. It still doesn't change the pattern <.<. Like it's literally not just one odd event with only one or two rewards. It was one after the other ever since Saints' Wake 2016.

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You're missing the point I was trying to make. Not every event in their respective years will have the same amount of rewards. If event x and y have little rewards in one year, while event z has more rewards, that means that they put more focus on event z.

Likewise, the following year could have event x with more rewards, while event y and z have less.

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Originally Posted by Walfan

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Don't play a product you don't like. It's self-defeating. That's all I've got to say.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Another excuse. Let's recall the the events from Heavensward, an expansion so taxing on the Devs that they had to take a 2 month break.

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And they've said Stormblood was even more daunting due to the amount of changes being made, yet they wanted to push through and maintain their schedule. Basically, they have a similar workload but aren't taking a break. Thus, less important things won't be a major priority. That's... not really surprising.

My inventory is ready! Took some time to clean out btw.... and could use more space still, after all that... anyway, bring it on! :)

more Posing ranger please let have female villain witch

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Don't play a product you don't like. It's self-defeating. That's all I've got to say.

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Or instead of wanting people to stop playing something that they still like in some aspects, maybe accept that criticism is a important part in the company-customer relationship? I mean if everyone just stops because they find something bad instead of just complaining about it..well you might not be able to play FF14 anymore since they need people to continue the game. Also criticism is a good way for them to improve thus making the game better for everyone. Its way better than just seeing the numbers of sub dropping without them knowing why.

Sometimes I do get the feeling like some take criticism toward SE as a personal attack..

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

And they've said Stormblood was even more daunting due to the amount of changes being made, yet they wanted to push through and maintain their schedule. Basically, they have a similar workload but aren't taking a break. Thus, less important things won't be a major priority. That's... not really surprising.

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We got less content in SB then in HW (no new race, only two jobs, same manner in which they will release content, lots of recycled gear in dungeons and more) so if this would be way more taxing, then it would be quite concerning. Anyway like someone has pointed out, instead of giving us that one item as a cash shop only item, they could have used this as unique glamour item. Yet they decided to put it into the cash shop again while the event itself only has a reworked gear set. I just hope that at least the quest itself would be more than the gold saucer event one.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Or instead of wanting people to stop playing something that they still like in some aspects, maybe accept that criticism is a important part in the company-customer relationship? I mean if everyone just stops because they find something bad instead of just complaining about it..well you might not be able to play FF14 anymore since they need people to continue the game. Also criticism is a good way for them to improve thus making the game better for everyone. Its way better than just seeing the numbers of sub dropping without them knowing why.

Sometimes I do get the feeling like some take criticism toward SE as a personal attack..



We got less content in SB then in HW (no new race, only two jobs, same manner in which they will release content, lots of recycled gear in dungeons and more) so if this would be way more taxing, then it would be quite concerning. Anyway like someone has pointed out, instead of giving us that one item as a cash shop only item, they could have used this as unique glamour item. Yet they decided to put it into the cash shop again while the event itself only has a reworked gear set. I just hope that at least the quest itself would be more than the gold saucer event one.

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While I agree with the part where SE (and some players) should accept criticism, but to be fair, there's quite a bit of work going into creating the new skills and re-balancing of class/pvp in SB too. Whether those effort pay off is another topic though. At the end of the day, the seasonal events usually alternate between "good" and "bad" rewards. If you find this one "bad", just hope the next one is better I guess?

On a side note, was there ever any seasonal event that received so much backslash before it even launch? (Well there's the youkai event but that's a cross-over event instead.)