Petition to ban Moogle exploiters.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

as far as i am aware there is not a way to raise and attack one mob at a time. that said, won't use it until i get at least my first win the old fashioned way so i haven't tired any of those other methods.

the only thing i've seen people talk about was once they raise and everyone buffs take out the mages first. that keeps the rest of the moogle group unable to heal themselves the rest of the fight so they can just blast away at the mele moogles without them healing up and getting the bard songs put on them. that way if they die again after the mages once they get up it's a pure zerg after that point.

i'm not saying there's not a way to raise up and attack one mob at a time, but if there is then i am not aware of it.

edit: i'll say from the streams of the fight in which people used this strat you better be on your game after getting up because you will be hard pressed to complete the fight in the time frame if you use this strategy and are slow at dps.

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yeah sounds legit to me then, thats a poor mans strategy sure, and not the most exciting way to win the fight, but it is legal and not an exploit

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

SE can not ban player because of their own fault to begin with, you cant blame player who take advantage of the mechanic flaw (flaw in here does not mean mechanic error, but it poitting toward the hole in the system player can use)

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I assure you, they can. Not that they ever will for this.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

yeah sounds legit to me then, thats a poor mans strategy sure, and not the most exciting way to win the fight, but it is legal and not an exploit

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yeah, it reminds me of the first time a party i was in beat dodore. there was a party there and they got down to the dodore and one minion and then they wiped. my party jumped on there fast to attack it. i refused to have my first win tarnished because my first win would have been against a weakened mob.

i was the only healer so i told them i wasn't going to get a win like that and if they attacked it like that i'd just not heal the party. sure, some got mad, but others agreed to wait and let the other group come back and try it again. the group did wind up beating it and they stood aside and let us kill the next pop since we waited on them.

we did kill it when it repopped and it felt much more rewarding because we beat the whole thing than it would have if we had beaten just the dodore and 1 minion. remember though that was back before they nerfed the dodore and it still had the full group of minions and not the 4 it got reduced to as well as before everyone found out how op emulate was.

i guess, what i am saying is that i don't blame anyone for using the strategy to beat it, but i just want my first kill to be completely on the up and up so i feel more rewarded after beating it. to me there is nothing illegal about using the raise strategy, but that strategy just isn't for me.

ITT: OP is mad because he can't beat moogle.




(and i have done it the non-"exploit") way
brb banning sac pulls in 11

I still dont get what this exploit is or how it works

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Originally Posted by Irana

I still dont get what this exploit is or how it works

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its not an actual exploit, people dont know what exploits actualy are half the time unfortunately

is it a cheap way to win? yes, is it a bug or a cheat? no

Anyone can explain me how it's the method? or an url?

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Originally Posted by vax

Anyone can explain me how it's the method? or an url?

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basicaly, they zombie the fight


they die, and raise, and finish off whats left, if done right 1 person is left alive during it all so that the fight doesnt exit

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

basicaly, they zombie the fight


they die, and raise, and finish off whats left, if done right 1 person is left alive during it all so that the fight doesnt exit

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How is this...an exploiit? Isnt this how all fights usually go? Or something happens to the moogles when ppl do this?

I dont get it...so the party wipes except for one person...that one person causes a chain reaction of raises to bring the whole party back up? thats it?

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Originally Posted by Irana

How is this...an exploiit? Isnt this how all fights usually go? Or something happens to the moogles when ppl do this?

I dont get it...so the party wipes except for one person...that one person causes a chain reaction of raises to bring the whole party back up? thats it?

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its not an actualy exploit, there is no bug involved, and thats the point

at first i questioned it too cuz i heard rumors that you were able to do this, and then fight without agroing everything(which would have been an exploit cuz they are supposed to all fight at same time)


but just like other issues in the past, if people dont agree with how you do something, it must not be legal

So many caps... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MoxKXEBRC8

Dear OP:

You win, sir. Assuming your post is sarcasm and the majority of this thread taking you seriously are retards, that is.

OMG MY LS MATE JUST GAVE ME THE BEST IDEA EVER. . . .

make it when you enter the bc you can pick normal mode? or elitist fucks mode???? wouldn't that be perfect fix?

Bah! I haven't tried the Moogle battle yet but all this talk about battle exploit and such seems silly to me.

Let them kill the boss whoever they want, if you want to be masochist in your games it's YOUR problem and to be honest, I think the OP is trying to be sarcastic but I must admit it's fun to read all the replies. *eats popcorn*

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Originally Posted by evilmica

OMG MY LS MATE JUST GAVE ME THE BEST IDEA EVER. . . .

make it when you enter the bc you can pick normal mode? or elitist fucks mode???? wouldn't that be perfect fix?

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OMG post of the day, for so many reasons....

When the players raise back up, none of them have agro. Meaning the fight is paused until and you can rest up full HP/MP + buffs before your party commences attacking.

Again "exploit" is debatable as it is a game mechanic.

For the last time. Raising on death is NOT an exploit. It's part of the game. It's a tactic. A dirty one, but it works. This tactic was used multiple times over in FFXI. Throwing a snowball at the Moogle to stop HP Regen is an exploit.

What is this anyway? Everyone from WoW thinks it's an exploit but everyone FFXI knows that it isn't?

It's not going away, and they're aren't going to ban people over it. Stop being an elitist.

I just see it as a dumb tactic. I think it's lame to try a strategy where you have to die to win. Is it an exploit? That's for the devs to decide. To call something an exploit, I think it has to fall under the description of taking advantage of an unintended game mechanic. Is total hate reset in a primal fight due to a wipe an intended game mechanic or an unintended one? Unless they read minds, I don't think anyone here but a forum mod can answer that.

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who cares

This is not being elitist, this is just plain being stupid. The negative press and negative sentiment resulting from a ban like this would drive a nail into the coffin of this game. I've done this fight few times and it's not an exploit, it's perfectly fine in the terms of this games mechanics. Duping items in XI was an exploit and that ban was also unjustified because it was SE mistake and they should've taken the blame. Another exploit was glitching AV at question marks, things that guaranteed you a win. Wiping here does not do that. We wiped plenty of times and got up after astral flow and we have yet to win.

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Originally Posted by Irana

How is this...an exploiit? Isnt this how all fights usually go? Or something happens to the moogles when ppl do this?

I dont get it...so the party wipes except for one person...that one person causes a chain reaction of raises to bring the whole party back up? thats it?

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What happens is as the party is wiping someone raises someone dead that person waits and rezes before the instance boots everyone. if you dont move you will not draw aggro. Everyone raises and buffs and continues the fight where they left off.

Is this an exploit? I guess in the most basic of definitions it could be but then again using something to gain advantage is the most basic of definitions of exploit. In gameing the definition of exploit is "Using something to gain unfair advantage over others".

The so called exploit is useable by anyone so really I guess it comes down to morals an whether you care if anyone cares that you used said tactic.

Issues with said exploit is they make the fight longer and you run into the risk of running out of time, it actually happens quite often. And of course even with the reset you still have to defeat the moogle

It is a cheap way to win, but I wouldn't go so far as to say exploit.

OP here. Yeah, the post was 100% sarcasm. I've beaten Moogle myself using that method. Seriously, I wonder about you guys. XD

You could fix it by having all the dead mobs reraise if they all lose claim. You could just end the instance if they reset back into place.. There's a lot of things that can be done. Anyways I agree. Ban the exploiters or at the very least strip them of their drops and achievements for the fight. We beat it legit and they should have to as well. Even if they don't fix this problem then when the next content comes out and doesn't have such an easy exploit their badness will shine bright when they can't beat the content and we stroll right on by them singing songs of how bad they truly are.

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Originally Posted by Agate

OP here. Yeah, the post was 100% sarcasm. I've beaten Moogle myself using that method. Seriously, I wonder about you guys. XD

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likely story.....that or you realized after the rage post no one cared.

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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

You could fix it by having all the dead mobs reraise if they all lose claim. You could just end the instance if they reset back into place.. There's a lot of things that can be done. Anyways I agree. Ban the exploiters or at the very least strip them of their drops and achievements for the fight. We beat it legit and they should have to as well. Even if they don't fix this problem then when the next content comes out and doesn't have such an easy exploit their badness will shine bright when they can't beat the content and we stroll right on by them singing songs of how bad they truly are.

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I am truly puzzled by your thinking process

DONT FIX THE EXPLOIT! JUST BAN THOSE WHO USE IT! BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

To call something an exploit, I think it has to fall under the description of taking advantage of an unintended game mechanic.

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I dunno about you but considering you are removed from the fight if you wipe as in all 8 people are dead even if you have a raise pending on you makes me think resetting the fight was never an intended mechanic of the moogle fight.

If you were given a 5 minute timer to raise back up and pull the moogles before it would remove you than i would agree with people that it was an intended way to do the moogle encounter but it quite clearly isn't, and the fact it was abused so much in FFXI doesn't mean its even close to relevant for this fight especially considering FFXI fights worked a different way.

lol trolled

Sorry guys, but you should not be able to try the fight twice. When you die, it should be over. That's it.

Also, when a great majority of people use an exploit, they cannot ban anyone.

Wow.... i have found the stupidest thread on the whole internetz......

I mean thats a huge achievement

To the OP: Sometimes sarcasm doesn't come through in text, especially if you don't know the person. I can see some of the people who are very adamant about banning those who used the exploit totally making a post like this.

Just in general: Banning people for the Exploit is absolutely ridiculous. You would be banning ... I don't know, probably 25% of the people who do the moogle fight on the NA side. I myself did not use the exploit but it seems that many groups did.

Seriously, banning that many people is just asking for this game to fail more then it already has. And really it's not the players fault, its the design of the battle. If they really wanted to make it so that didn't happen, they would have made it so anyone alive would have some sort of emnity so they would all eventually die.

Why do people care if they use the exploit anyway. It's not like it hurts other players (well maybe it hurts them emotionally but that's about it). It shouldn't effect your enjoyment in this game in any way, and if it does, idk, maybe you need to go outside or something cause you are taking this game way to seriously.

The Moogle Fight is Serious Business yo.

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Originally Posted by Ashiee

maybe you need to go outside or something cause you are taking this game way to seriously.

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I went outside once.

It was cold and very bright.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

I am truly puzzled by your thinking process

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What's there to not understand? The game wasn't intended to be played like this.. There is no reraise spell. The instance kicks you out if all party members are dead. This is an obvious flaw in the game mechanics and those who are using it are exploiting. Seems pretty simple to me. Also I agree that if you ban all the poor players (People who can't beat it legitimately.) then there would be like 2-3 linkshells per server and that wouldn't be good for SE. That is why I simply suggest stripping those people of their weapons and achievements. Hell if it's not possible to single people out STRIP EVERYONE and start a new.. Doesn't bother me any because we can beat it without the cheap cheat.

COME AT ME, MOOGLE!

I think I'm looking forward to this ridiculous forum squabbling next patch more so than the content. The amount of trolling and epeen waving has reached critical levels and is just hysterical.

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Originally Posted by Drogo

Sorry guys, but you should not be able to try the fight twice. When you die, it should be over. That's it.

Also, when a great majority of people use an exploit, they cannot ban anyone.

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I assure you sir, they can, but again they will not for this.

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Originally Posted by BlackomegaKingofwaffles

I think I'm looking forward to this ridiculous forum squabbling next patch more so than the content. The amount of trolling and epeen waving has reached critical levels and is just hysterical.

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I haven't even logged in to do moggle since the 16th. Too busy lmao at these two threads. We've created our own content!

I can't believe the level of intelligence it takes to have people think dying and letting a monster reset is a serious exploit worthy of even being talked about.

Exists in XI.
Exists in Aion.
Exists in GuildWars.
Exists in XIV.

If people want to kill it that way; do your own thing. When there's only 120-200 people online at any time on my server and most of them are AFK or Japanese and don't want English parties, I'll take whatever the heck I can get.

I've spent 12 hours LFP while farming, asking people all hours of the day to party up for anything. I get no response.

The first party I get saying: "Let's do it this way." You better believe I'm in on it. Later, when we actually have people, I'll try it the old fashioned way. Whatever.

I've only played XI and XI had a reraise spell. Also if you played XI you know that SE doesn't like it when you exploit their glitches. XI had AV wall trick and item duping both of which got people banned. Granted it took some time for them to do it but they did it. Just because you can have sex with a drunk passed out girl doesn't mean you should.

LOL.. The old fashioned way?? You mean the way it was meant to be done.. AKA The right way.

Dying, Raising, Hate Reset.
They've been in the game since release. You could reset berserk on world nm's that way. It's not the "elitest" way; but when you have very few people playing, it might be just the only way for now.

My server is 80% Japanese.
JP Primetime: 400+.
NA Primetime: 120+
EU Primetime: 80+

Not many people on for us PST people.