Sprint: The nerf nobody wanted

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Originally Posted by OoglieBooglie

I don't care about lack of a tp cost now. I just want the old sprint back..

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That pretty much described the state of affairs today. Meh, who cares that sprint affected all the melee DPS...now I'm angry because now it touches my heart

*Lays flowers on swiftsong's grave* /payrespects

I miss you dearly old friend..

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

Oh I agree completely! Except this is not a new thing...for casters. Why did everyone have to suffer just so melee can have a no TP sprint? That is the only thing that should have been changed...sprint no longer costs TP *the end*

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In the old system, even mages had to wait 51 seconds to get all their TP back in combat (60/tick) and thus get the full 20 seconds of sprint. Simply removing the TP requirement is a big advantage, even for them. That said, 51 is still less than 60, and plenty of mechanics in this game work differently in and out of combat, so I don't see why sprint recast shouldn't be one of them.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Why couldn't they have just kept the original "cooldown" (roughly the amount of time it took to regen TP to use it again)?

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my guess is that they felt that there needed to be compensation. not just for sprint no longer costing TP, but for the new mount speed and how specifically TP users could utilize it more often.

however, i believe they were focusing too much on one factor (TP users) and did not keep an open mind.

Of course a caster wouldn't understand >_>

SE seems to have this idea that to fix a problem for one group they have to break things for another. There is no reason to have to treat classes the same. SE could have kept Sprint based on TP and shorter CD for casters while eliminating the dependency on TP and long CD for melee or better yet give the player a choice via the actions.

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Originally Posted by Mysticdraggon

my guess is that they felt that there needed to be compensation. not just for sprint no longer costing TP, but for the new mount speed and how specifically TP users could utilize it more often.

however, i believe they were focusing too much on one factor (TP users) and did not keep an open mind.

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Poorly thought out, considering they didn't think MP-users needed compensation in the previous iteration. >_<

Considering it ate all the TP? No.. this change is much better. Sorry, even as a WHM main this is a better option.

The sprint change is fine. I am glad for the change because now Melee/Tanks can sprint. The only change I would say is increase how long you sprint when in town and that's it. Everyone is able to sprint I really don't see what the problem here is.

I love the new sprint change! It's finally useful for all jobs during raids.

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Originally Posted by Freyar

I don't remember the Hermes' Shoes... :P

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It was from 1.0. For a while if you had an active XI account, they gave you the shoes for use in XIV. As they are now, if you're wearing them in a city state, you get 30 seconds of sprint instead of 20 (but the same 60 second cooldown on sprint).

Why should casters have the advantage? The skill was adjusted for all jobs.... they changes the CD for a reason obviously.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

Why should casters have the advantage? The skill was adjusted for all jobs.... they changes the CD for a reason obviously.

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How would they have an advantage if everyone had the same skill? The CD increase was utterly unnecessary. (The sprint buff also doesn't last nearly as long, I believe.)

I absolutely love the new sprint, I'm sprinting 24/7 yo

not too many people have an open mind on this subject, huh?

Yet people still don't use it even though it doesn't cost anything I still see people never using it in dungeons. Nor do they use it to escape large AOE's which cause death.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

Oh I agree completely! Except this is not a new thing...for casters. Why did everyone have to suffer just so melee can have a no TP sprint? That is the only thing that should have been changed...sprint no longer costs TP *the end*

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The cooldown is too long, however even for casters this change is generally a good thing. Being able to sprint through dungeons just meant you got to hurry up and wait for the tank and melee to catch up. Once TP users really start to realize they can sprint whenever it's available, dungeon runs will be that much faster.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

As a melee main, this has been a huge buff.

I actually get to use the ability in combat for once >.>

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Yes! I can now use Sprint to evade Mechanics and not have to worry about sacrificing TP!

at the very least they can give DoW/DoL a different sprint.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

I still see people never using it in dungeons. Nor do they use it to escape large AOE's which cause death.

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Habits leftover from when it wasn't a viable option are too deeply ingrained, at least for now. It's a bit early to tell whether it will remain under-utilized or whether over time we'll start seeing more people making effective use of it. (Probably some of each, depending on who you get teamed up with.)

The sprint cooldown is there to balance fights now that everyone can use it, or dodging would be too easy constantly. If it's a problem for gathering classes, instead of a different sprint, I would suggest a speed buff granted after "killing" the node (so you can't abuse it by leaving the node) for some seconds to help players move from node to node without adding new abilities and making it more interactive with gathering itself.

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Originally Posted by Kit-Kat

The sprint cooldown is there to balance fights now that everyone can use it, or dodging would be too easy constantly. If it's a problem for gathering classes, instead of a different sprint, I would suggest a speed buff granted after "killing" the node (so you can't abuse it by leaving the node) for some seconds to help players move from node to node without adding new abilities and making it more interactive with gathering itself.

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Or a buff if the next node is 70 or more yalms away

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Originally Posted by Kit-Kat

The sprint cooldown is there to balance fights now that everyone can use it, or dodging would be too easy constantly.

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It wasn't a problem when casters could use it regularly. Why now? Even then, I very rarely had to make use of sprint to avoid AoEs unless I did a really bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

It wasn't a problem when casters could use it regularly. Why now? Even then, I very rarely had to make use of sprint to avoid AoEs unless I did a really bad thing.

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Casters are ranged, so they're not in the area of nearly as many AoEs as melee fighters are. Plus they already have another reason to not be sprinting constantly—cast bars. So a free Sprint skill is a lot more powerful for melee DoW. That had to be balanced with the longer cooldown to avoid being OP.

I honestly disagree it would be OP. Telegraphs are easily avoidable without ever using sprint.

I always thought if sprint consumed all TP for DoW jobs, then it should've consumed all MP for DoM jobs; at least everyone gets free sprint now.

But TP regens faster than mana....... Can't tell if serious or not LOL

I like the new Sprint. I no longer need to be on DRK for speed runs in Gubal Hard :)

My question is, why are DPS players not using it?

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

I like the new Sprint. I no longer need to be on DRK for speed runs in Gubal Hard :)

My question is, why are DPS players not using it?

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mostly because some DPS already have convenient abilities that allow them to close gaps between them and their targets.

Everyone who likes it are melees talking about in combat and everyone who hates it are not talking about combat and hate the cooldown time. I hate it because I'm just trying to run from quest to quest in cities and it's taking forever when it used to be much faster since I could sprint more often. We can all agree it's cool that melees can sprint in combat now but just make it the old timer when out of combat

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

Everyone who likes it are melees talking about in combat and everyone who hates it are not talking about combat and hate the cooldown time. I hate it because I'm just trying to run from quest to quest in cities and it's taking forever when it used to be much faster since I could sprint more often. We can all agree it's cool that melees can sprint in combat now but just make it the old timer when out of combat

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i completely agree. there are just too many people focusing on one benefit the change brought as opposed to the many downsides.

The only reason I can think of that the dev's would do this is to force things to take longer, thus people need to be subscribed more.

Summary
DoW = It is good!
DoM = bad move!

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Originally Posted by NaoTenbe

The only reason I can think of that the dev's would do this is to force things to take longer, thus people need to be subscribed more.

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that's thinking more deeply into the plot, i guess.

to add, new players will not have a good time below level 20. therefore stalling their free subscriptions upon purchasing the game.

A lot of TP users say they hate the change to Sprint :see_no_evil: .

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Originally Posted by Alise

Summary
DoW = It is good!
DoM = bad move!

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DoL = Terrible move!
anybody within mount-restricted areas = ridiculous move!
new players = "slowest game ever!" (rage quit)

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

A lot of TP users say they hate the change to Sprint :see_no_evil: .

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I have not heard a single person who mains a TP class complain about what sprint does for said class. You might be confusing them saying that it was a downturn for their non-tp alt classes or gathering ones.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

I have not heard a single person who mains a TP class complain about what sprint does for said class. You might be confusing them saying that it was a downturn for their non-tp alt classes or gathering ones.

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Front page, bard says they hate the change.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

Front page, bard says they hate the change.

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They say they can't run from tree to tree. That's a gatherer who hates the change lol.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

They say they can't run from tree to tree. That's a gatherer who hates the change lol.

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But they main bard, so they don't care about not sprinting in combat like the others. As I said, :see_no_evil: