Why everyone wants do PotD speed run?

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Forever ago, people just decided - without trying it - that FFXIV PvP was bad (I'll admit, it's not perfect, but I enjoy it)

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I mean, I took one look at how the game handled and what the abilities were like and figured it would be pretty terrible. Actually trying it confirmed my suspicions. I'll do it to get gear, but it's really not enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

This means exp gain in this game is fast enough, and I would argue too fast, there is no reason whatsoever, no excuse, people legitimately have for not letting people find chests because you get too much handed to you, exp wise, as is.

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We went over this already in another thread, but I'll gladly repeat it again: The means to get a weapon around the ilvl of the oadjal or kinna weapon are fast enough aswell - even if you exlcude the Shire weapon.

PvP-weapons (ilvl 235) for 4.000 wolfmarks - even if you lose every game thats a maximum of 8 frontline battles; still faster than any PotD-weapon gain
Crafted weapons (ilvl 250) - because I remember your argument of how your friend didnt wanted to spend 30 minutes on crafting a weapon: Its still faster than getting one in PotD.
EX-Primal drops - a maximum of 10 runs of Sophia for ilvl255 is still faster than getting the needed aetherpool in PotD; Zurvan offers 265 and as many of them as you like!

So, getting a weapon in this game is fast and easy outside of PotD aswell. Now you might say "But they dont want to do [PvP/EX-Primals/Spending gil/Crafting]" - but it really is the same for a person who wants fast and easy exp from PotD - they might not want to use one of the other ways the game provides. You see thr problem? Both sides have valid alternatives and both sides picked PotD - one isnt more important than the other one and one doesnt has more right to be there.

Communication and finding a comrpomisse is the key - but if your starting point is "NO! I wont go faster because everyone who wants to do that is a jerk who just wants to screw me over and betray me of something that is rightfully mine!" you wont get very far with that ofc...

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Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000

Guys please stop reply on this thread, i know that i suck in FFXIV when i can't even beat super easy content like Alexander - The Cuff of the Son that is too hard for me.

I already gave up getting any better weapons then ilvl 200 for jobs that i want lvl up to 60 and get decent gear and i also give up even trying to get in 4.0 too when i can't beat super easy content of 3.X.

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...I dont think anyone here said that you suck at this game? No one here is attacking you - everyone is just trying to offer you advice or show alternative ways for you to get weapons. No need to throw such a fit...

We all know that its not down to one single person to beat content in this game, thats the very nature of an MMO after all. It is unfortunate that you were paired up with people who might have been new to actually dealing with mechanics or for other reasons not able to handle them and who didnt listen to advice when it was offered. But failing at something in this game (or in general, really) doesnt has to result in nerfing said content.
Content should be allowed to be at least a bit of a challenge without people getting upset straight away - if you feel that you suck you have two options: Get better or give up. Its sad to see that you rather choose the later one, but thats obviously down to you after all...

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

Someone has to make a decision.

. . .Someone takes charge, steps up, and initiates a solution for the betterment of the whole.

Consensus.. there is no consensus. Players have made their choices. You all simply need to make yours.

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There's stepping up to take charge of a situation, then there's forcing a decision on others. Similarly, there's also taking charge of yourself and your own actions. THAT speaks of initiative far more than simply being the decisive person in the moment. It's safe to say no one's ever going to force me into a type of run I don't want to do. However I won't pitch a fit and demand things go my way, or force others into it either. You want to speedrun and I don't? No prob. Let me make room for someone else who might be all for it. Everyone wants chests but you wanna race through? Sorry man, no hard feelings if you want to leave and find a group more suited to your aims. All of this "oh just go with it" talk breeds resentment and avoidance of duties and/or players. Being civil and trying to communicate is THAT hard? Treating other players as you'd like to be treated isn't possible? Seriously?

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I mean, I took one look at how the game handled and what the abilities were like and figured it would be pretty terrible. Actually trying it confirmed my suspicions. I'll do it to get gear, but it's really not enjoyable.

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There's a wide spectrum of questions I'd want to ask, but it sounds to me like you went in already intent to dislike it and saw what you wanted to see (or perhaps didn't see what you wanted to see), and thus validated your already pre-formed opinion of it. Conjecture on my part, and it's lacking supporting statements, yes. But at least you tried it.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

There's a wide spectrum of questions I'd want to ask, but it sounds to me like you went in already intent to dislike it and saw what you wanted to see (or perhaps didn't see what you wanted to see), and thus validated your already pre-formed opinion of it. Conjecture on my part, and it's lacking supporting statements, yes. But at least you tried it.

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I mean, this isn't my first MMO. I have a really good idea of what I like and don't like in PVP, so unless there's some truly novel PVP format (and this game doesn't have one), I don't actually need to try it to have a really reliable idea of whether I'll like it or not.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

But I'll be brutally honest: Speedrunning, the "I just wanna get it done and over with so I can move on to other things" mindset, and the "DF mentality" are the reason we have boring, faceroll "Expert" dungeons now. Someone mentioned before that no one bothers with side rooms, and they detract from exploring the dungeon. . . Are you really "exploring" when you're just trying to beeline for the exit? Conjecture, I know, but really think about that. You want interesting dungeons, you want worthwhile loot, but you "just wanna get it done and over with", thus speedrunning becomes the implied standard. . . I dunno man. Something's got to give there.

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To be fair, what incentives are there to exploration? You cannot just slap some branching pathways into a dungeon design only to throw up your hands when no one bothers looking. Even those who do show interest will do it once or twice, then what? Why explore something you've already seen, especially if it doesn't offer anything worthwhile? All of this is further compounded by the fact we only have two dungeons to run per patch. No matter what the devs do, those dungeons will grow stale. People speedrun now just for efficiency but because there is no incentive not to. When the devs treat content like busy work, people will respond to it as such. Right now, that's all dungeons are after one or two runs: busy work.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

I've learned at this point to just run with the flow. If the party wants to speed run, then screw it, we'll speed run. If someone is running for chests, I'm going to go to help them, even if others won't, because that'll only speed up the process.

Only real exception is when someone is kinda low (like maybe 27/25 or something) and really needs them. That's when I try to convince the party and learn every now and again why I should just turn off party chat.

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This has been my take on it. Though it'd be hard to tell by my posts lol. I'm much nicer in game than in the forums.

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Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000

Guys please stop reply on this thread, i know that i suck in FFXIV when i can't even beat super easy content like Alexander - The Cuff of the Son that is too hard for me.

I already gave up getting any better weapons then ilvl 200 for jobs that i want lvl up to 60 and get decent gear and i also give up even trying to get in 4.0 too when i can't beat super easy content of 3.X.

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First of all, you don't get to tell others not to post in a thread. When you open pandora's box, you can't close it. Second, you're selling yourself short. Don't compare your abilities to others. Hell most of the time people aren't half as good as they appear to be. The tank that pulls rooms and rooms may not know how to do their job properly. All a DRK has to do in that situation is Unleash, Paladin flashes, and Warrior Overpowers or whatnot (one of my few classes not past 30 admittedly). Speed running players aren't always good.

But I will say this. If you choose to quit, then yes you're not good. But if you choose to keep going, learn, and are generally willing to work with a team. Then you are a good player, you don't have to be god's gift to FFXIV to be a great player. Just an open mind, good attitude, and willingness to learn from mistakes. That's literally the secret.

You are just being hard on yourself, its a game first and a game should be enjoyed, you will eventually be able to beat content just have to go at it with the right attitude and angle

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Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000

Same thing happened with ARR endgame that never able beat The binding coil of bahamut turn 5, not even with full group who knew the fight and had ilvl 130 at that point.

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I wasn't around for ARR, but back then, 8 man raids had no normal / savage mode distinction like we have today so I don't know if you can really compare the two.

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Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000

So please guys don't post in theard any more, just let this thread die already and also just report this thread to get closed for sure and i get banned that i can't post more stupid threads in forums, when i shouldn't never post this kind of stupid thread in first place.

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After reading stuff like this, it sounds like you just wanted attention. Go back to tumblr.

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Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000

So please guys don't post in theard any more, just let this thread die already and also just report this thread to get closed for sure and i get banned that i can't post more stupid threads in forums, when i shouldn't never post this kind of stupid thread in first place.

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If you're going to have that attitude, I'd recommend steering clear of MMOs. Part of the game in this genre is working with other people. Communicating with one another. And being able to take criticism or having a discussion. You don't have to be able to complete crazy endgame content (I've not even stepped into Alexander myself, still working on getting to that point). But at the end of the day, you do need somewhat of a thicker skin then you're displaying.

Getting yourself banned won't stop the discussion. You -might- be able to get the thread locked, but someone can simply create another one and quote from this one. And if you'red banned you can't stop it. If you want out of the discussion, simply stop reading. But IMO its a tad bit arrogant to think you're the sole focus in this discussion simply because you created the thread.

All I'm gonna say is don't let other people's opinion ruin the game for you it's just the forums. People will always disagree with you in one way or the other. But if you let yourself get this bent out of shape because people don't agree with you then you'll never be able to enjoy the game sad to say.

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Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000

Also if you don't want me post more stupid threads and reply in any threads then just report me so i get banned from forums.

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Sorry, but I'm no leftist. I don't try to ban people for spouting BS. Also, this is a forum. If you have ideas or an attitude that the majority does not like, you will be judged for it. It's only natural.
Most people try and try and try until they find a group that's able to get the kill.
You, however, only whine about how it is "impossible" for you to beat it and that you will never be able to get past this challenge. In addition, you chose to whine about in on a (more or less) public forum, as if you wanted other people to console you since you are so "unlucky".
And no, you will not be banned. Stop being such a wimp and be mature about your mistakes.

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Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000

Well i have to beat some endgame content to get decent weapon that is better then ilvl 200 weapon without doing PotD or crafting.

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No you don't. Give the relic quest a go, now that it's nerfed it's even easier to get a "decent" and "up to date" weapon, with just running level 50 & 60 dungeons that are normal/regular content. You won't have to step into any content that's declared as raid or any extreme primals.

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Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000

Well i have to beat some endgame content to get decent weapon that is better then ilvl 200 weapon without doing PotD or crafting.

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What do you need a 200+ weapon for?

Your issue is, as I've said before, is too focused on other players. You want a better weapon because someone else has one. You're too wrapped up around how others see you. You want to be successful and have fun with this game and just about any other MMO? Do what you can. Don't worry about what others think of it.

As for continuing to play, that's entirely up to you. Its not my place to tell you to stop. I can give opinions, advice, or feelings. But that's it.

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Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000

So you are saying that having ilvl 200 weapon in lvl 60 dungeons and 24-man raid runs is ok?

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It is not perfect, but doable as long as you put some effort into your job. And to be honest, I've seen worse.

You might have to put in more effort in newer content (Baelsar's Wall, Sohm Al Hard, Dun Scaith etc) but the other stuff should cause no problems.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

If you're going to have that attitude, I'd recommend steering clear of MMOs. Part of the game in this genre is working with other people. Communicating with one another. And being able to take criticism or having a discussion. You don't have to be able to complete crazy endgame content (I've not even stepped into Alexander myself, still working on getting to that point). But at the end of the day, you do need somewhat of a thicker skin then you're displaying.

Getting yourself banned won't stop the discussion. You -might- be able to get the thread locked, but someone can simply create another one and quote from this one. And if you'red banned you can't stop it. If you want out of the discussion, simply stop reading. But IMO its a tad bit arrogant to think you're the sole focus in this discussion simply because you created the thread.

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Honestly this completely goes against what FFXIV set out to do. Everything is super streamlined to avoid the situations that OP gets into. It's an issue that should be fixed.

I used to get upset at speedrunners but I've realized that I can just solo my way through the place, but not everyone can do that and they shouldn't be removed from rewards because of some people.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I mean, this isn't my first MMO. I have a really good idea of what I like and don't like in PVP, so unless there's some truly novel PVP format (and this game doesn't have one), I don't actually need to try it to have a really reliable idea of whether I'll like it or not.

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Yeah, it doesn't take a genius to look at the way you have to earn PvP-necessary abilities over time (on top of the usual gear disparities), combined with the rather slow combat overall, to come to the conclusion that PvP is a mess.

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Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000

So you are saying that having ilvl 200 weapon in lvl 60 dungeons and 24-man raid runs is ok?

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I have a 180 weapon on my white mage. Why not?