Soo... apparently Diadem has i280 weapons with higher WD than alexandrian/anima lux

DRK with Pie <3

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Friendly reminder: raiders and relic farmers are not entitled to the highest ilevel gear. They should drop this silly argument that they should be the only ones at a certain ilvl. It's simple jealousy.

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His point competely flew over your head lul.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

Perhaps not, but people who put in significant effort and time should be appropriately rewarded and not spat on while Sir McLazy barely lifts a finger and is given a better reward.

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For all we know i280 weapon could take more time to get than any relic. That's not 'barely lifting a finger'. It's supposed to be extra rare drop and 1/13 chanche to get for your job.

It doesn't seem that big a deal to me. 275 is already overgeared for anything we have to fight.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

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Let's be blunt: Yoshi also goes on about "skill gap" when many of us know it is about players not liking criticism. They're crossing that line between "eh, you'll be ok" to hand-holding.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

For all we know i280 weapon could take more time to get than any relic. That's not 'barely lifting a finger'. It's supposed to be extra rare drop and 1/13 chanche to get for your job.

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Anyone that thinks its going to be more than

1. farm fate til pop
2. clear instance
3. profit

is going to be sore in the morning.

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Originally Posted by Frowny

Let's be blunt: Yoshi also goes on about "skill gap" when many of us know it is about players not liking criticism. They're crossing that line between "eh, you'll be ok" to hand-holding.

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This isn't skill gap, this is so beyond that. This is making harder content obsolete by providing better rewards for far less time investment. Like I said, i270 weapons in diadem would keep the casuals happy and geared, while raiders and relic farmers get their deserved reward intact.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

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Oh of course it is beyond that. My point was that's Yoshi's misguided view currently. Which, per your post, creates an extremely slippery slope. Where do you stop?

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Heck the deeper areas which drop the i280 weapons might even be tuned for groups in full i270.

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In a casual content? Never ever.

Remember when SE said there will no better weapon than Alexander Savage one ? :rolleyes:

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...4/3cd8a33a.png

This troll...
This troll is... next level

Like... if a Bond villain wanted to destroy the world by drowning it in salt, this is what they'd do.

"We'll introduce new weapons just after the relic finishes so people will be upset that all their work was "wasted"."
"And then we'll pack them behind multiple levels of RNG so some lucky few people will have a weapon so perfect that the gods themselves could not have wrought it literally drop into their hands."
"Meanwhile others will grind for weeks to see their prize, only to have it snatched away before their eyes by someone else who doesn't even have the job at 60."

"Fire up the saline generator boys, Palace of the Dead needs material for another hundred floors!"

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"Meanwhile others will grind for weeks to see their prize, only to have it snatched away before their eyes by someone else who doesn't even have the job at 60."

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Snapped up by someone who doesn't have job at 60 and trades it in for spoils LMAO :P I sense a new thread to go with the need/greed one :P

The big question is:

Got the Diadem really postponed by a BUG or was it more the reason many people would not touch the final relic step at all when they would have released them together?

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

The big question is:

Got the Diadem really postponed by a BUG or was it more the reason many people would not touch the final relic step at all when they would have released them together?

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I have no clue. The devs made "wtf" decisions but I shrugged them off. This though.... this comes close to some BF3 patches where DICE were likely drunk.

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Originally Posted by Johaandr

Jeez 280?? So anima is a waste in the end of the patch then.

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Well if it's any consolation, the anima storyline was decent and maybe you can use it in the next xpac to get a little boost on your next relic weapon in Stormblood.

When I think of how effort I put into the Anima over the course of 18 months...knowing random RNG can give someone a better weapon within minutes makes me very frustrated.

Logged in FFXIV they added a pegasus colt minion guess i have to grind for that.

no point in going on with alex and gearing up other jobs/preparing gear for SAM/RDM I guess. RIP Savage Content. Shall you ever be saved from Eorzea.

Did the developers learn nothing from the fiasco stemming from the diadem item level 210 armor being the same item level as raid gear at the time? Their excuse then was that there wasn't enough of a gap in item levels by then to make the diadem gear split from the raid gear.

And this is WEAPONS we're talking about this time.

I'm at a loss for words. It is one thing to make the relic obsolet with a new expansion and 10 new character levels.
It is a hole different story to make the last step of the relic obsolet 9 days after it was released.

I'm subscribed to this game since the ARR release without a break, this weapon alone makes me strongly consider running my sub out till SB.

"Oh, thats a nice weapon you have here.
It would be a shame if you would get a stronger one in Diadem."

Seriously, forget the endless grind of your Anima. Forget everything from Palace of the Dead, Zurvan and Alexander Savage. HERE COMES DIADEM! (with random stats, duh)

Why not add ilvl 290 weapons to Gold Saucer? Or ilvl 300 for 2000 poetics?

SE is solving design issues by throwing rewards at people again?

My, what a surprise!

I'm just gonna remain sitting here, salty that Sices hairstyle still isn't available >_>

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Originally Posted by Zojha

SE is solving design issues by throwing rewards at people again?

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Well it's the end of the expansion, may as well just start giving everything away.

"You get a 280 and you get a 280!" Etc.

The official forums being dramatic again, what's new?

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

"Oh, thats a nice weapon you have here.
It would be a shame if you would get a stronger one in Diadem."

Seriously, forget the endless grind of your Anima. Forget everything from Palace of the Dead, Zurvan and Alexander Savage. HERE COMES DIADEM! (with random stats, duh)

Why not add ilvl 290 weapons to Gold Saucer? Or ilvl 300 for 2000 poetics?

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Why not gift immediatly for idling in idyllshire. Its so difficult to stay and do nothing in this game...

I'm past being angry at this point, I'm just baffled as to at what point any of this was thought to be a good idea.

I want to understand.

Nobody likes that WoW makes all its drops RNG with warforged and titanforged and ****.
It's not just that it's BIS regardless. It's that it's BIS with random offstats which is just...why. Why even. That's my reaction to this patch. Why even.

Utterly ridiculous.
I was already highly dissatisfied as raider that players who did not raid gordias/midas savage at all had at times better gear than I had due to pure luck in old Diadem.
It's not even a matter now about these weapons replacing the savage ones, but I was also on three relics for my BiS.
Even the argument that stats might be "random" is not helpful AT ALL. This just means again that anyone, just by pure luck, can get the top stats for their weapon while you continue grinding for hundreds of hours till you finally also have one. It can also be no argument that these weapons 'might be rare as heck' because this still means that anyone who just has god's luck can suddenly run around with the BiS weapon without doing anything for it. Neither raiding or dedicating so many hours in a questline like for the relic.

It's easily BiS with IL280; whether the second stats are good or not, but what the hell.
Why is Square Enix making such poor choices again. Giving IL275 weapon shortly before Stormblood by Diadem...Well, at least the relic would have some purpose then still. But THIS is bullshit. IL280 IS BULLSHIT.
Particularly with the RNG-elements as I've stated above. If at least the stats were fixed but no. (And even then I wish I could delete these weapons from the game.)

Always entertaining these forums... always entertaining..;>

So far it seems that doing fates in diadem reward lockboxes. Unsure if it's just a random drop from those or whether you have to do specific things in certain fates or whether you need to kill a big boss fate or something.

So help me if weps are straight up random lockbox drops I will cancel my stormblood preorder because it's just not worth it fam

Crossing my fingers that at the very least it comes from the emergency missions because then at least there will be some sort of effort required.

someone linked so secondary stats are not shown
http://i.imgur.com/Oj8rMk8.png?1

Saw that on reddit. Waiting for confirmation it's real and if so how the heck did they get it to drop

EDIT: OP POSTED

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Was not my drop but it dropped from an emergency mission (A boss with 16 million HP. we won with 28 seconds left) and the person it dropped for came as black mage so it's 100% random.

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YOU MAY NOT EVEN GET THE WEAPON FOR YOUR SPECIFIC CLASS IF TRUE

JUST

**** MY **** UP FAM

Its real and i posted a pic.

Yeah, just edited my post.
Can't possibly that hard to do an emergency mission if it's being cleared immediately after patch

And 100% random is just next level pain

I was in Cool Boy's instance lol. the WHM 280 owner said they had acc, crit, det and speed on it. one of the sub stats was 160 and another was over 100 too

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

I was in Cool Boy's instance lol. the WHM 280 owner said they had acc, crit, det and speed on it. one of the sub stats was 160 and another was over 100 too

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Is this real life? Those substat #s are insane. I was trying to be optimistic but

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...50/708/590.png

FUCK ING WHAT

Seriously thinking of cancelling my stormblood preorder. Makes me seriously concerned for the state of the game if they thought this was an OK thing to do

I love this game, SE please, why did you do this

People asked for horizontal progression.

Well there ya go.

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Originally Posted by ZhaneX

People asked for horizontal progression.

Well there ya go.

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I never asked for this

Funny thing is even with 280 people won't be abble to skip soar with 6DPS.

"Heeeey lets invade those farm parties with my i280weap and my 1300DPS !"