Eye Candy for Tanks/Healers?

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Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin

This topic should've been immediately disregarded for using the word "weeb". Like can we grow the fuck up?

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You cussing in this thread doesn't make you appear anymore grown up than the person you are quoting.

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

How is 50% of the game in a Japanese-isk area with a classical Japanese Icon made by Japanese developers for a Japanese game headquartered in Japan for weeps? I've seen this a lot today, where is it coming from? Not everything can be Euro-centric, and it comes off a little racist that it is bring this out.

It must be them bowing to weeboos... can't possibly be the guys felt like drawing from their own culture or nothing. That's dumb why would they draw from their culture when ours in the west is so rockin'. We have plenty of castles and knight armors guy. A few kimonos won't kill you.

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I agree completely. It getting really obnoxious to see this insult tossed around with near-complete lack of basis. While I hate the over use of the word 'racist' this is certainly getting close to the mark. Reports are strong in this thread...

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Originally Posted by Feidam

I have to laugh at all the tanks and healers got shafted with no new classes while dps got two statements. Caster dps got zilch in heavensward and so did melee. So now that they have given each type a new class. Seems.pretty fair to me. Tank,healer, and support dps in HW and melee and caster dps in stormblood. Players need to stop with the doom and gloom drama as well as the racist remarks because they didn't want the samurai.

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I had this exact same argument and have yet to get a thoughtful response! In the end, it has nothing to do with what's smart of fair. It doesn't even have anything to do with what's healthy for the queue times. All it is is people complaining that they didn't get it their way.

It never ceases to amaze me that after getting such amazing announcements that all people can do is complain. I really wonder if I'm the only one who is actually excited what's coming down the pipeline...

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Originally Posted by SilkaN

I know that it's a fantasy game, but "female armor" in video games is not what I would call functional.

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No one ever said it was supposed to be functional.

Doesn't want samurai

Is dressed like a samurai in avatar.

Go figure.

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Originally Posted by Grayve

Well, I think it makes sense. The people that play tanks/healers are already playing them. The ones that play DPS aren't going to switch (long term, they might level them) because its not what they enjoy. Other MMO's have proved it.

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The issue has more to do with the fact that if you re going ro release a tank or a healing job you do have to implement utility spells, while when you release damage dealing jobs you only have to develop animations for the spells, as the effect to deal damage is straightforward.

My only concern with them not releasing a tank or healer is, obviously, queues. Now this will (probably) even out some six to eight months after the release if we're lucky but its certainly going to be a pain for awhile. I'd agree that new classes don't necessarily lead to life long healer and tanks but in my experience they do at least pull in new people willing to give it a go for a short time. Some will stick around, most won't, but that supplements the ranks of healers and tanks just enough to somewhat counter the influx of dps that always follows when a new class drops. Without that, and with life long tanks and healers also taking a break to try out the new classes since they don't have one of their own, we're going to see an increase in the already existing shortages. Otherwise I don't find anything wrong with not having new tanks and healers and I'm excited to see some more dps options for my alts. Actually I was a bit worried after how long it took them to balance Astro in with the original two but that said, I think they need to be on point with the reworks/new abilities to be added in order to keep the tank and healer roles (especially the original four) from growing stale.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

tank armor for FEMALE tanks. We're not all into unisex tin cans you know.

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To be honest there are quite a few tank pieces that are not like tin cans and some are even pretty feminine (void ark cough)

Here are few for you to check out:

Hellfire Armor of Fending
Prototype Midan Coat of Fending
Midan Coat of Fending
Demon Armor of Fending
Dreadwrym Armor of Fending (or replica)
heavy high Allagan coat (or replica)
Void Ark Armor of Fending
adamantite pauldroncoat of fending
sky pirate's coat of fending
holy rainbow shirt of fending
Yafaemi Mail of Fending

Not to say these are all extremely feminine, but they are hardly tin cans. Quite a few are from this expansion as well. If you check some of those out maybe you'll find something you like. I personally really like the Midan Coat of Fending and the Void Ark set and the Hellfire body.

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Originally Posted by ShinMoon

I am mostly salty due to the fact that the weebs got what they wanted. I didn't mind 2 dps, I just didn't want it to be samurai

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As for OP....sure be salty about it but you have kinda a rude attitude going on by labeling people "weebs" just because they like SAM and you don't. Not only your opinion matters sorry :/

I wanted Dancer preferably but a lot of people wanted SAM so I can enjoy and be happy that people can be excited about it and maybe get some players back to the game for SB. While I kind of wish a new healer was brought in because I love healing SE obviously needs more time to work on balancing healers and tanks and I just got an awesome healer at HW (AST).

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Originally Posted by SilkaN

What do you mean?
Bikini armor like in Queen's Blade?

I know that it's a fantasy game, but "female armor" in video games is not what I would call functional.

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Since when did asking for feminine armor equate to bikini armor? There are plenty of ways to give a more feminine feel to female versions of armor without resorting to bikini armor.

As for female armor not being functional, none of the armor we use is strictly functional. Asking for feminine style for female armor is not asking for bikinis. There were several designs in the tank armor contest that used feminine sale on the female version, and they would have been awesome, instead SE chose another mis-shapen lump of metal.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Yeah I'd prefer functional armor over "fanservice armor".

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Well you've already lost that battle thanks to glamours. However, you might want to expand your horizons and realize that more feminine armor does not equate to bikini armor.

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Originally Posted by Elisewin

TBH I'm main healer and I'm happy about NO new healing class, it took like 4 patches to balance AST/WHM/SCH

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Ast....Balanced?

https://j.gifs.com/kRWO5N.gif

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

You cussing in this thread doesn't make you appear anymore grown up than the person you are quoting.

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I didn't realize cursing was constituted as childish (it's not). I like how you take issue with that, but not the OP.

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Originally Posted by Ramath

I had this exact same argument and have yet to get a thoughtful response! In the end, it has nothing to do with what's smart of fair. It doesn't even have anything to do with what's healthy for the queue times. All it is is people complaining that they didn't get it their way.

It never ceases to amaze me that after getting such amazing announcements that all people can do is complain. I really wonder if I'm the only one who is actually excited what's coming down the pipeline...

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Can I ask a question? What if the situations were reversed? What if RDM/SAM were 3.0 and AST/DRK/MCH were 4.0? Would melee/caster DPS be complaining they got nothing this time around? Would you still say "You got something last time, sucks to be you?"

This is honest curiosity. I'm personally not upset by the 2 DPS only showing, since I'm a healer anyways. I'll just keep on healing.

Personally the main issue with tanks/healer is that right now there are 2 classes each competing for the main spot (drk/pala and ast/whm) while there is only one as the uncontested off duty kings (warr as offtank sch as off healer).

No matter how you balance the pala/whm (they need some love, yes) to be a real main option, as long as warr/schl keep being the best by far off tank/healer the class imbalance would remain. Adding another off tank and off healer class could have solved or at least reduced that issue.

Unless they heavily remake all the tanks and healer to be equally viable as main and off tank/healer, we will keep seeing off tank only wars, off healer only sch unless you are willing to take a subpar compo. At least with the bard spot we got the mch as an alternative so theres at least some choice...

4.0 eye candy for tanks:
more skirts for female tanks to show more leg skin
more shirts for male tanks to show more arm skin
more topless male bosses for female tanks

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Can I ask a question? What if the situations were reversed? What if RDM/SAM were 3.0 and AST/DRK/MCH were 4.0? Would melee/caster DPS be complaining they got nothing this time around? Would you still say "You got something last time, sucks to be you?"

This is honest curiosity. I'm personally not upset by the 2 DPS only showing, since I'm a healer anyways. I'll just keep on healing.

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2.x Ninja
3.0 AST/DRK/MCH

No complains from melee players, if i rember it correct.
There were some complains from casters, that there were still only 2 caster jobs to choose.

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Originally Posted by SilkaN

What do you mean?
Bikini armor like in Queen's Blade?

I know that it's a fantasy game, but "female armor" in video games is not what I would call functional.

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I think Kosmos mean female gears more like this

http://oi66.tinypic.com/1zwoke1.jpg

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Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin

I didn't realize cursing was constituted as childish (it's not). I like how you take issue with that, but not the OP.

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It may not be childish as such, but it frequently indicates a limited vocabulary and level of maturity associated with children.

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Originally Posted by Felis

I think Kosmos mean female gears more like this

http://oi66.tinypic.com/1zwoke1.jpg

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Yes, that would be good. But also, take the typical Cuirass style armor for example. It would be nice if some of those sets (all of them?) had a more fitted chest piece and a skirt instead of pants option; generally more fitted and less bulky would be nice. And before anyone says that's impractical, tell that to the Roman Legions who conquered almost all of Europe in 'skirted' leather armor.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Do you really believe they are going to do something NEW and FRESH for tanks and healers? Because I sure don't. They're gonna nerf AST/SCH and WAR/DRK to be more in line with WHM/PLD and throw on a few new skills. IMO, that is not new and fresh.

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I'm glad you know what they're going to do.

Can you tell me what they add to DRG, too? I'm excited to hear.

As someone who mains heals, I'm perfectly ok with not having a 4th healer to try to level - at least not right away.

Carrots on sticks are always great ways to encourage people to try something new. I'd be really happy if there were mounts for the healing jobs like the tanks. That's actually one why I've been trying out tanking. I want the bear and panther. I already grabbed the lion.

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Originally Posted by Awful

Ast....Balanced?

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Yeah, I would be more encouraged if there words hadn't been 'we will spend as much time on balancing the tanks and healers as we did with the AST'. Considering it took them all expansion and its still unbalanced, it wasn't really reassuring.

I think what bothers me is I am not entirely convinced they understand the issue with the balance between the tank and healing classes. The reason PLD and WHM are currently the odd ones out is they are based around effectively providing unnecessary output. Since WAR and DRK have to have enough mitigation to tank anything, any additional mitigation from PLD becomes wasteful. Likewise a WHM has very powerful heals but healing isn't like dps. There is only so much that needs to be healed. Healing in excess to that has no real value. This is why AST is stronger than WHM at the moment. It can heal enough to fill the role but brings extra that WHM doesn't.

Either they need to change the Meta or they need to give WHM new utility because an identity that is 'strongest heals' is a dud identity and will always place WHM as the least valuable option.

Of course the risk with just adding utility is that it risks swinging things back the other way and also risks Job Homogenisation. Its a pickle and one that I think requires a rethinking of how the Jobs fit into the meta.

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Originally Posted by Felis

4.0 eye candy for tanks:
more skirts for female tanks to show more leg skin

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With how thick Auri guys hips/legs are, I want more little skirts for everyone please.