[dev1031]New High Level Notorious Monsters Please

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

according to your loadstone you have not even defeated ifrit hard mode so i guess not everyone has the same weapons, huh

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Err, Blue Gartr is the LS that posted the strategy for everyone else lol =/

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

Err, Blue Gartr is the LS that posted the strategy for everyone else lol =/

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never seen it, never tryed a 7 lancer party either.

so i misread his ifrit win, hell live

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

its ok, take a deep breath, everything will be ok.

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Here's a tip. Don't rely on Lodestone when you want to act like a smartass. You will more than likely end up with egg on your face.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

its ok, take a deep breath, everything will be ok.

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I found this in less than 39seconds:

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=1231876

Where were you looking?

Anyways,

Variety of content > instanced onry content

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Originally Posted by Clydey

Here's a tip. Don't rely on Lodestone when you want to act like a smartass. You will more than likely end up with egg on your face.

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touche....

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Originally Posted by Tango

I found this in less than 39seconds:

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=1231876

Where were you looking?

Anyways,

Variety of content > instanced onry content

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Precisely. I see no issue with balancing instances and open world NMs. Everyone gets a little bit of what they want.

As was pointed out, a lot of people actually miss the FFXI camping days. I appreciate that camping for 3 hours wasn't for everyone, but I think it's a mistake to reduce it to irrelevance.

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Originally Posted by Clydey

Precisely. I see no issue with balancing instances and open world NMs. Everyone gets a little bit of what they want.

As was pointed out, a lot of people actually miss the FFXI camping days. I appreciate that camping for 3 hours wasn't for everyone, but I think it's a mistake to reduce it to irrelevance.

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camping in ffxiv with the lag could be a bad idea unless they put a 10 second delay on claiming. people closer to the servers would have an advantage

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

camping in ffxiv with the lag could be a bad idea unless they put a 10 second delay on claiming. people closer to the servers would have an advantage

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they did this on XI with claim block. Random block between 1.5secs and 3 secs after it spawned (server time) before it could be claimed and attempting to claim would put your ability on cooldown even if it failed.

Server latency seems to be around 1/2 sec or very slightly over it for most ppl. So the same claim block system should work.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

camping in ffxiv with the lag could be a bad idea unless they put a 10 second delay on claiming. people closer to the servers would have an advantage

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/inb4 2.0 fix

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

camping in ffxiv with the lag could be a bad idea unless they put a 10 second delay on claiming. people closer to the servers would have an advantage

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I'd agree with that. There should be a claim delay, as was implemented in XI. Maybe not 10 seconds, but a sufficient delay that gives everyone a shot at claim. In fact, it would be best if the delay varied, again like in XI.

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Originally Posted by Tango

/inb4 2.0 fix

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good thing cause thats a year away.
so would it be better to put a delay in now or wait for the ever coveted 2.0 fix

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

they did this on XI with claim block. Random block between 1.5secs and 3 secs after it spawned (server time) before it could be claimed and attempting to claim would put your ability on cooldown even if it failed.

Server latency seems to be around 1/2 sec or very slightly over it for most ppl. So the same claim block system should work.

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One of our members tested this recently. The results were pretty interesting. Germany seemed to have it worst, followed by the UK. One of our German members lags a second and a half behind the NA members (which is a bitch to deal with on Ifrit abilities).

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

Great supporting argument. Funny how the majority of people posting on this topic are in favor of NMs, though.

There are times when the majority should get what they ask for. But when that affects the variety of content a game has to offer, no. Just because the majority wants instanced content, it doesn't mean that free-for-all open world content should be nixed completely, which is exactly what you're asking.

Step outside the box for a minute and you'll easily see that your selfishness is no different from that of the elitists shells you seem to loathe so much.

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As much as you want to say, the game is inclined towards Instanced stuff and even if they place in open world content, the loot isn't going to be as good as Instanced Areas. Even so with timed pops, Instanced gear will have the upper hand. So you can counter my argument as much as you want but unfortunately the direction Yoshi is headed in majority is Instanced.

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Originally Posted by Hiten

As much as you want to say, the game is inclined towards Instanced stuff and even if they place in open world content, the loot isn't going to be as good as Instanced Areas. Even so with timed pops, Instanced gear will have the upper hand. So you can counter my argument as much as you want but unfortunately the direction Yoshi is headed in majority is Instanced.

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Actually the direction he is headed, or said he was headed, is for crafted gear to better than any raid gear, instanced or otherwise.

I would love to see some high level NM's that are too hard for one person but can be killed with two people. Give something fun for you and your buddy to do. Honestly, it is so hard to get a party of 8 together on my server atm, if you are not in an end-game linkshell there is really nothing to do. I really believe having more content for 2-4 players to do (which is rewarding) could really save this game until 2.0.

A good drop would be Tier IV materia. You could make an NM for each kind of materia and the materia they drop could coincide with the kind of challenge the battle had. For example a wind based mob that uses wind attacks could drop Wind Resit+ materia. A mob that needs to be killed with magic attacks can drop Magic Attack+ materia.

This would be so awesome!

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Originally Posted by Hiten

As much as you want to say, the game is inclined towards Instanced stuff and even if they place in open world content, the loot isn't going to be as good as Instanced Areas. Even so with timed pops, Instanced gear will have the upper hand. So you can counter my argument as much as you want but unfortunately the direction Yoshi is headed in majority is Instanced.

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What's the point of bringing up the current direction of the game in a suggestion thread? The whole point is to change the direction a bit. Is that all you had to fall back on after realizing how hypocritical you were being before?

And by the way, NM gear can be better than raided and normal crafted gear, it doesn't have to be rare/ex. Dodore doublet is a good example (BiS for Craftsmanship). And that's been out since like last November?

Why do people always have to use the botting comment about open world nm's every time someone mentions it. If my ls claimed a mob in XI my ls was always called bots even tho my ls was a ps2 only ls lol.....

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Originally Posted by Firon

Why do people always have to use the botting comment about open world nm's every time someone mentions it. If my ls claimed a mob in XI my ls was always called bots even tho my ls was a ps2 only ls lol.....

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Because just like the people that screamed "BOTTT!!!" when your LS claimed something, they're just sore losers.

Botting will never go away. There's no reason it should deter SE from adding more content.

Yeah All they have to do is make a mob, jack up the level give it some drop and a funny name and put ??? in front of it.

Why are there not more of these?

Exactly. They can release 50+ NMs in the time it takes them to make 1 dungeon. That's enough content to keep us busy for a very long time.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

Exactly. They can release 50+ NMs in the time it takes them to make 1 dungeon. That's enough content to keep us busy for a very long time.

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Just go fight the rank 99 goblins till they release better mobs/mechanics/items. I don't want them releasing unfinished or half-assed NMs with useless drops. It makes no sense.

With the new claiming system high level world NMs just don't work. You can't design something to be challenging when you can have 50 people beating on it. I suppose they could add dynamic difficulty where each person on the hate list adds to the fight difficulty but that adds more development time. They should just use the old claim system for NMs.

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Originally Posted by Tango

Just go fight the rank 99 goblins till they release better mobs/mechanics/items. I don't want them releasing unfinished or half-assed NMs with useless drops. It makes no sense.

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Well, I was exaggerating a bit. But realistically, it probably takes about 1/0 the time to make 1 NM, its drop pool, and the items created by its drops (if they're materials) than making an entire dungeon.

I think we got like 20 mid lv NMs when DH and TR were released? Why can't this continue?

For every dungeon they release, give us 5 NMs. That seems pretty feasible.

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Originally Posted by Tango

Just go fight the rank 99 goblins till they release better mobs/mechanics/items. I don't want them releasing unfinished or half-assed NMs with useless drops. It makes no sense.

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I actually set this up a few months back, before there was much content. It was fun for a night, but the difficulty wasn't scaled properly.

Not sure what they are like now.

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Originally Posted by Clydey

I actually set this up a few months back, before there was much content. It was fun for a night, but the difficulty wasn't scaled properly.

Not sure what they are like now.

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Shhh clydey! I'm trying to win the forums! :P

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Originally Posted by Clydey

I actually set this up a few months back, before there was much content. It was fun for a night, but the difficulty wasn't scaled properly.

Not sure what they are like now.

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Because of level correction we can't farm Gold Dust for your silly glasses, Clydey, they're a lot stronger now xD They sort of just bomb you to death, much like my people do.

You're just a bunch of elitists.

Where is our Serket? Where is our Charybdis?

You know what, they don't even need to be on that level. I can wait for alliance content to get even such minor HNM's.

However, the best in slot items in the game comes from sheep and common grade 5 node drops. I'm pretty sure there is plenty of room in the current itemization to introduce some high level Notorious Monsters before 1.21 which are maybe not the most spectacular encounters ever, but could still top the wonderment and exhilaration I get from killing a Karakul Sheep.

Give us something relevant for endgame shells to aim for other than dark moogle. 3 Months of nothing for us to kill but moogles is 3 months too long.

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Originally Posted by Vingtdeux

You're just a bunch of elitists.

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oh noes! /wrists

I'd like open world NMs that are relatively high level (47-55) that can be lowmanned. My small playing group of three friends had lots of fun going after all these NMs as we were leveling up, gave us fun content to do on the side as we were going up the ranks. Currently NMs for us (now that we're 45-50) range between really easy and beyond-a-lowman-party (Uraeus, Eldergoat, etc)

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Originally Posted by Bahn

I'd like open world NMs that are relatively high level (47-55) that can be lowmanned. My small playing group of three friends had lots of fun going after all these NMs as we were leveling up, gave us fun content to do on the side as we were going up the ranks. Currently NMs for us (now that we're 45-50) range between really easy and beyond-a-lowman-party (Uraeus, Eldergoat, etc)

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NMs that are relatively high level would be probably be designed into instances. Perhaps this is where the devs are wanting it to be at.

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Originally Posted by Hiten

NMs that are relatively high level would be probably be designed into instances. Perhaps this is where the devs are wanting it to be at.

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And what about the competition for claiming? cant really have that in an instance?

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Originally Posted by Hiten

As long as the instanced NM(s) drop better loot/gear than the open world NM(s), i feel that's going to be fine and i'm sure the Japanese forum players would want that just as much. It clearly defeats monopolization in the face. Those who want to have open world content NM(s), by all means, hope the devs implement it for you guys, but the way it's looking now, instanced NM(s) are on the list of dropping better loot/gear. And it should stay this way. I just do not want an environment where the elitist shells gather about and do their usual botting in open world contents over and over again which refuses other casuals to actually have a shot at it.

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I really think we should stop calling them instanced NMs. I think bosses is the more correct term, as they're the big badass mob you fight at the end of a run.

And yeah, I'd like gear from open world NMs to be useful, just not better than what bosses drop, and I'm ok with that. Like I said, more fun things to do for all of us - those who like to raid versus those who just like to dick around on open worlds.

AS i said before, make a monster 2x as big as regular, give it 50k hp make their attacks 5x stronger then the regular version and make it have 4 normal versions running around it ( give it a different name too) not that hard to do. (for a major company mgiht i add)

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Originally Posted by Jim

AS i said before, make a monster 2x as big as regular, give it 50k hp make their attacks 5x stronger then the regular version and make it have 4 normal versions running around it ( give it a different name too) not that hard to do. (for a major company mgiht i add)

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AS a few of have said before, that is not a fun fight and it's not what we want. If we were interested in something like that, we would go fight the level 99 goblins.

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Originally Posted by Splice

AS a few of have said before, that is not a fun fight and it's not what we want. If we were interested in something like that, we would go fight the level 99 goblins.

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Most people don't fight the level 99 Goblins because there is no point in doing this.

Give a mob a reward, and people will kill it. I'd rather kill a "level 99 goblin" than JUST the totally awesome and amazing Moogles for 3 months straight.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

Minus the very crappy drop rates, then I'd agree :D

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Minus the long respawns as well. Actually I wish they would revamp the old NMs, make them stronger and more than just a tank and spank and upgrade their drops.

If the open world NM drop U/U equipment then that would be ok wouldn't it? Why would anyone monopolize it if their whole group had the drop anyway.

If they had a decent drop rate, a reasonable respawn I don't see a problem.

I wouldn't mind a couple with crazy or random respawns depending on the drop. It is fun to run into something rare and go kill it. However I agree it is not fun to lose claim after claim to another group.

It's a pickle, I don't like a ton of instanced stuff either. A dungeon they intend a group of 8 to run, fine but I would miss those nights where I'm exploring or looking for a NM and bump into someone new and make a friend. I like to hear "Hey, can you help me?" and be able to give them a hand and if everything is instanced we lose that.

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Originally Posted by Pyretta_Blaze

If the open world NM drop U/U equipment then that would be ok wouldn't it? Why would anyone monopolize it if their whole group had the drop anyway.

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no i'm sick of all the gear dropping being u/u and worthless within a short time span.

give an addition of 10 more high level nm's like the original ones and people will be busy for a while. let them drop materials for gear that can be convertable/meldable just the dodore doublet and people have content for a while trying to get hq versions.

Look i know that you may not want to fight lv 99 goblins, no one does, but the point of fighting a lv 99 goblin is that it has a challange but no reward, give this mob a nice reward and everyon will do it.