Proportionate Bodies

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

What emote or movement is the Miqo'te on the left side doing!?

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Pretty sure it's this (/cpose) emote:

http://i.imgur.com/73Yxy4tl.png

But I guess it could be this (/cpose) instead:

http://i.imgur.com/pVO9ZTEl.png

A bit hard to say from that small pic. :p

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

Just like it did with Star Wars - Tera - and every other game that over sexualized the characters in their games, go have a look at how well those companies are doing now since they decided that sex sells...

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Pretty well, comparatively speaking. Obviously WoW and FFXIV top the usual most-played lists for MMOs but they're followed closely by Guild Wars 2, TERA, Blade and Soul, and Black Desert Online, all of which tend more towards the "over-sexualized" spectrum. It's not a question of "does sex sell?" It's "how well does sex sell?"

FFXIV is one of the more conservative MMOs I've played in recent memory. Most of the armor sets don't change across genders (even I find the female DRG tummy window to be laughable) and I'd say a good 80% of the outfits in this game are not sexualized in the least. So I hardly see an issue with giving the character models a bit more volume and shape.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

All I was saying was just because something has yet to be announced doesn't mean it's automatically not going to happen or not be announced down the road. There are still two more Fan Fests (December and February). More stuff will be announced about 4.0 then, as I believe was said during the Vegas fan fest. I'm not trying to say "This will happen! They will announce it!" Just that it's a possibility. And this isn't limited to body sliders, but any new content that could be added in 4.0. I don't know if it's intentional, but you're coming off as unnecessarily hostile about this.

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There's a reason I'm coming off as hostile - I have a group of people that finds the over sexualization that is happening within the game to be a detracting and enjoyment killing situation that needs to be voiced.

There isn't a WEEK that doesn't go by that I have to face the reality people want to leave because a certain group of people want to run around as sexually provocative as they can. On one hand - YES - you have the right to enjoy the game the way you would like, the problem lies in upsetting people that consider package sliders and jiggle physics to be absolutley disgusting =(

[QUOTE=SessionZero;3926868]Pretty well, comparatively speaking. Obviously WoW and FFXIV top the usual most-played lists for MMOs but they're followed closely by Guild Wars 2, TERA, Blade and Soul, and Black Desert Online, all of which tend more towards the "over-sexualized" spectrum. It's not a question of "does sex sell?" It's "how well does sex sell?"

En Masse is closing their doors and are down to a Maintenance mode crew keeping Tera alive long enough to pay their bills and SWTOR is consistently having to offer free transfers to people stuck on dead servers - SWTOR is dying, there are maybe 5 servers that enjoy a medium population with a player base of MAYBE 50k people..

I suspect there's no real danger of the dev team doing an about-face on this one, but just the same I'd like to say that I support the current system of realistic (for real life, not video games) proportions and non-sexualized combat gear. It's one of my favorite things about the aesthetics of this game.

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

There's a reason I'm coming off as hostile - I have a group of people that finds the over sexualization that is happening within the game to be a detracting and enjoyment killing situation that needs to be voiced.

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Then these people need to grow up and out of puberty if they find anything in this game detracting and even more dumb if it kills their enjoyment, not to mention there really isn't any over sexualization, that is usually an excuse people use to find stuff to complain bout, as this game is very tame

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There isn't a WEEK that doesn't go by that I have to face the reality people want to leave because a certain group of people want to run around as sexually provocative as they can. On one hand - YES - you have the right to enjoy the game the way you would like, the problem lies in upsetting people that consider package sliders and jiggle physics to be absolutley disgusting =(

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Yea, sounds like a bunch of small kids playing the games, or radical feminists, and they complain about everything. tell them, they may need to stick to games that have the kids and everyone sticker, like pokemon and mario.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Then these people need to grow up and out of puberty if they find anything in this game detracting and even more dumb if it kills their enjoyment, not to mention there really isn't any over sexualization, that is usually an excuse people use to find stuff to complain bout, as this game is very tame



Yea, sounds like a bunch of small kids playing the games, or radical feminists, and they complain about everything. tell them, they may need to stick to games that have the kids and everyone sticker, like pokemon and mario.

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They're working professionals - Christians - People with small chidren and morally conscience individuals that have the RIGHT to enjoy this game without people like you telling them to grow up and get over it.

They contribute to this game the very same way you and everyone else does and should have the expectations that their experiences aren't muddied by people who want to run around like a flashing free sex board..

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

They're working professionals - Christians -

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AH, now it all makes sense, You did not need to say any more then that, If you're offended by this tame game, then yea, they need to grow up.

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

They're working professionals - Christians - People with small chidren and morally conscience individuals that have the RIGHT to enjoy this game without people like you telling them to grow up and get over it.

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You heard it here first folks - if you think there nothing wrong with varying body types, you're an unconscionable menace to society.

I was going to ask for a source on your claim about EME and TERA, and to ask what in the world gives you the idea that SWTOR is in the least bit over-sexualized, but after this post, I really don't need to.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

AH, now it all makes sense, You did not need to say any more then that, If you're offended by this tame game, then yea, they need to grow up.

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Oh - they're not offended by the game, they love it, it's the people running around in their underwear that offends =)

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

Oh - they're not offended by the game, they love it, it's the people running around in their underwear that offends =)

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That's the part i mean.. if they can't handle biikinis and revealing outfits then they are playing the wrong game, and they should probably stay away from any beaches, as they may have a heart attack.

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

IF is a very big word - post a link where they mention something is being done about it or this is nothing more then yet ANOTHER I want this thread and has NO basis in reality.

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Fine be that way. But im going to stay here and continue to voice my desires. Regardless of what others want

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

That's the part i mean.. if they can't handle biikinis and revealing outfits then they are playing the wrong game, and they should probably stay away from any beaches, as they may have a heart attack.

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You don't have a right to tell them to get over it - they have a right to play the game as it's presented - The bikinis are fine, it's the "glamouring" of outfits to make them very sexual that makes people uncomfortable. No worries, working on the suggestion post for that recommendation I made to hide player character models so ALLLL you people can prance about in whatever gets your jollies off without us having to look at you =\

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Originally Posted by AlessaGillespie

Fine be that way. But im going to stay here and continue to voice my desires. Regardless of what others want

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I asked for a link to where Yoshi said something was going to be done - Would give me the link and push to have a hide player character model feature implemented..

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

You don't have a right to tell them to get over it - they have a right to play the game as it's presented - The bikinis are fine, it's the "glamouring" of outfits to make them very sexual that makes people uncomfortable. No worries, working on the sugggestion post for that recommendation I made to hide player character models so ALLLL you people can prance about in whatever gets your jollies off without us having to look at you =\

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Well you will indeed have to get over it, if ANY glamour in this game makes you "uncomfortable" you need to rethink your life and values. this game compared to others is very tame, Nothing wrong with showing skin in a VIDEO game. This is why i detected young kids playing, because only they get offended of minor and very silly things like "you showing to much!"

But i do have some advice for them, Tell them to stay only in their FC houses, or in a city, hiding, never df never do anything else except among them selves, That way they won't have to see those bad sinners showing skin.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Well you will indeed have to get over it, if ANY glamour in this game makes you "uncomfortable" you need to rethink your life and values. this game compared to others is very tame, Nothing wrong with showing skin in a VIDEO game. This is why i detected young kids playing, because only they get offended or minor and very silly things like "you showing to much!"

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Um - honey, no I don't and you most certainly AREN'T the moral high ground me or anyone else is going to listen to in regards to what I SHOULD consider "acceptable" - You have no right to tell anyone what they and their children should have to put up with..

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

Um - honey, no I don't and you most certainly AREN'T the moral high ground me or anyone else is going to listen to in regards to what I SHOULD consider "acceptable" - You have no right to tell anyone what they and their children should have to put up with..

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And um, that sounded like a threat.. will indeed HAVE to get over it - What're you going to do if I and other people DON'T want to get over it =)

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Well you will indeed have to get over it, if ANY glamour in this game makes you "uncomfortable" you need to rethink your life and values. this game compared to others is very tame, Nothing wrong with showing skin in a VIDEO game. This is why i detected young kids playing, because only they get offended of minor and very silly things like "you showing to much!"

But i do have some advice for them, Tell them to stay only in their FC houses, or in a city, hiding, never df never do anything else except among them selves, That way they won't have to see those bad sinners showing skin.

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I don't need to rethink one thing about my stance and they have a right to enjoy the game just as much as everyone else and shouldn't have to hide out in their homes away from the more populated areas of the game - Their money is just as good as yours and entitles them to the same comfort and luxury as everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

Um - honey, no I don't and you most certainly AREN'T the moral high ground me or anyone else is going to listen to in regards to what I SHOULD consider "acceptable" - You have no right to tell anyone what they and their children should have to put up with..

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Never said i did, my point was getting "offended" over midly skimpy outfits in this game is pretty sad and depressing. and they either need to learn to accept it or play some other game.

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And um, that sounded like a threat.. will indeed HAVE to get over it - What're you going to do if I and other people DON'T want to get over it =)

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how is that a threat? but considering the type of person im talking to, i am not surprised you see it that way.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Never said i did, my point was getting "offended" over midly skimpy outfits in this game is pretty sad and depressing. and they either need to learn to accept it or play some other game.

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Um - no they don't need to accept it and no they don't need to play some other game because a group of people want to run around in skimpy outfits

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

how is that a threat?

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You told me I INDEED have to get over it - that has a threatening tone to it - I'll either HAVE to get over it or else..

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

Pretty sure it's this (/cpose) emote:

http://i.imgur.com/73Yxy4tl.png

But I guess it could be this (/cpose) instead:

http://i.imgur.com/pVO9ZTEl.png

A bit hard to say from that small pic. :p

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The second picture looks very similar but there is no way to match it exactly which means that SE effectively changed the models and now they must restore the original ones and maybe even improve them with more customization options, as knows as sliders!... :)

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

You told me I INDEED have to get over it - that has a threatening tone to it - I'll either HAVE to get over it or else..

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You have to get over it or you will just be a miserable person, getting offended at the dumbest things is no way to live your life. That is not a threat, if anything it's advice. if you do not get over it you'll just restrict your self to the people you meet, and cut your self off.

But i tire of this convo, thise whole pages has been nothing but us, so i'm done, Tell them to mature up a bit. but honestly, your 1st post told me everything i needed, so i don't even know why i kept this going, Good day.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

You have to get over it or you will just be a miserable person, getting offended at the dumbest things is no way to live your life. That is not a threat, if anything it's advice. if you do not get over it you'll just restrict your self to the people you meet, and cut your self off.

But i tire of this convo, thise whole pages has been nothing but us, so i'm done, Tell them to mature up a bit. but honestly, your 1st post told me everything i needed, so i don't even know why i kept this going, Good day.

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Um - you mature up a little bit - people have no right to make other people uncomfortable - An um - the people I associate with fulfill every possible aspect of happiness I need in my life and don't need over sexualization to "excite" it thanks =)

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

You don't have a right to tell them to get over it - they have a right to play the game as it's presented - The bikinis are fine, it's the "glamouring" of outfits to make them very sexual that makes people uncomfortable. No worries, working on the suggestion post for that recommendation I made to hide player character models so ALLLL you people can prance about in whatever gets your jollies off without us having to look at you =\

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We have the right to tell them whatever we want to just like they have the right to ignore us or tell us their opinion. IMO, closed minded people that won't consider other people's perspectives should listen to others at the very least. That goes for the people telling your friends to grow up. Not every one had the same interests or beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

Um - no they don't need to accept it and no they don't need to play some other game because a group of people want to run around in skimpy outfits

You told me I INDEED have to get over it - that has a threatening tone to it - I'll either HAVE to get over it or else..

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I like how everyone was being nice about this, and then you came in here xD. Were getting off topic, Better bodies.

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

Um - you mature up a little bit - people have no right to make other people uncomfortable - An um - the people I associate with fulfill every possible aspect of happiness I need in my life and don't need over sexualization to "excite" it thanks =)

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Gonna break my own rule for this post, but only this once, but there is no over sexualization in this game, Not even sure what would ever possibly make you think that, unless you just use it randomly whenever someone shows an ankle or is not covered from head to toe, Stop over abusing that term, Women and men can show skin without it being called "over sexual"

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Originally Posted by Leogun

We have the right to tell them whatever we want to just like they have the right to ignore us or tell us their opinion. IMO, closed minded people that won't consider other people's perspectives should listen to others at the very least. That goes for the people telling your friends to grow up. Not every one had the same interests or beliefs.

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The same goes for you - the point of all this is tell everyone, issues like this are offensive to other people and those very people have a right JUST like you to enjoy the game as is and not continue to suggest features certain people are going to find offensive... People have no right to force mind sets on people who consider these issues offensive and detracting to their game experiences and should consider them BEFORE topics like this arise =\

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

I can't help but feel these requests to make our character look more sexy is a bit steep, Ask SE to take a page from Namco/Team ninja, if you want some true "proportions"

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http://i.imgur.com/khvQYUI.jpg

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...11779555_o.jpg

I kind of find it a bit silly to suggest that an hour glass figure (Since that is proportional, as per what OP asked for I believe) is "steep" or something..I mean, that is how I am IRL..what is wrong with wanting to look proportionate in game?

I didn't know we all had to be pencils and hank hill butts or else it goes into Namco territory hahaha we had this in 1.0 and it was just fine. I agree though, if you mean Dead or Alive, yeah no thanks. But our 1.x stuff? That was fine :P

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Originally Posted by AlessaGillespie

I like how everyone was being nice about this, and then you came in here xD. Were getting off topic, Better bodies.

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That's right, I came in here to voice another opinion that resulted in derailing the topic - the bodies are fine =)

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Originally Posted by Iromi

http://i.imgur.com/khvQYUI.jpg

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...11779555_o.jpg

I kind of find it a bit silly to suggest that an hour glass figure (Since that is proportional, as per what OP asked for I believe) is "steep" or something..I mean, that is how I am IRL..what is wrong with wanting to look proportionate in game?

I didn't know we all had to be pencils and hank hill butts or else it goes into Namco territory hahaha we had this in 1.0 and it was just fine. I agree though, if you mean Dead or Alive, yeah no thanks. But our 1.x stuff? That was fine :P

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yes lol not something so extreme. Also these look nice!

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Gonna break my own rule for this post, but only this once, but there is no over sexualization in this game, Not even sure what would ever possibly make you think that, unless you just use it randomly whenever someone shows an ankle or is not covered from head to toe, Stop over abusing that term, Women and men can show skin without it being called "over sexual"

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Sure there is - it's coming from the player base and giving them creative freedom to CHOOSE to run around like this - Not one person here is even taking into consideration people who might be forced to abstain from sexual activity because of life experiences like being RAPED - Molested - and any other form of issue they're having to deal with in their lives - Nope, you want this issue because the butts are to small or the package isn't defined enough and because of this issue, you seem to have this right to tell them to grow up and get over it.


Nothing more then thinly veiled activism just like every post up here suggesting these features...

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Originally Posted by AlessaGillespie

yes lol not something so extreme.

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Some people consider that extreme and offensive. Like I said, the day they decide to implement the "hide player character model" is the day that I'll shut up..

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

Some people consider that extreme and offensive. Like I said, the day they decide to implement the "hide player character model" is the day that I'll shut up..

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The logistics of which are, frankly, impossible. I hope you can imagine the technical and ethical nightmares of hiding player models when, for all you know, you may find yourself in a DF or PF group with someone that you've hidden, or has hidden you. That'd be a trainwreck and a half if you are a healer. And what if they're on a different server? We can't even blacklist people on other servers--what you're asking for goes above and beyond that. So, how about instead of clamoring for an insular community where no one gets offended by anything (an impossible dream, as it is), you simply learn to accept that people have varying tastes that will clash with yours, and accept that that's fine. It's a lot less work for everyone involved, that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

http://i.imgur.com/khvQYUI.jpg

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...11779555_o.jpg

I kind of find it a bit silly to suggest that an hour glass figure (Since that is proportional, as per what OP asked for I believe) is "steep" or something..I mean, that is how I am IRL..what is wrong with wanting to look proportionate in game?

I didn't know we all had to be pencils and hank hill butts or else it goes into Namco territory hahaha we had this in 1.0 and it was just fine. I agree though, if you mean Dead or Alive, yeah no thanks. But our 1.x stuff? That was fine :P

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Inferiority complex!?...

Dead or Alive 5 models are good enough for me, thanks!... :D

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

The logistics of which are, frankly, impossible. I hope you can imagine the technical and ethical nightmares of hiding player models when, for all you know, you may find yourself in a DF or PF group with someone that you've hidden, or has hidden you. That'd be a trainwreck and a half if you are a healer. And what if they're on a different server? We can't even blacklist people on other servers--what you're asking for goes above and beyond that. So, how about instead of clamoring for an insular community where no one gets offended by anything (an impossible dream, as it is), you simply learn to accept that people have varying tastes that will clash with yours, and accept that that's fine. It's a lot less work for everyone involved, that's for sure.

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It has been done before and could most certainly happen here..

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

The logistics of which are, frankly, impossible. I hope you can imagine the technical and ethical nightmares of hiding player models when, for all you know, you may find yourself in a DF or PF group with someone that you've hidden, or has hidden you.

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FFXI has this sytem, albeit more for technical reasons than creative one (I think). Everyone gets their chosen face but all their gear is set to the racial defaults. If they were to create such a system for FFXIV they could just set all sliders and whatnot to racial defaults as well. Not that I'm in favor of such a system or anything, but there's no technical reason you couldn't do it. I'll leave the ethical implications to the philosophers. :)

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

The same goes for you - the point of all this is tell everyone, issues like this are offensive to other people and those very people have a right JUST like you to enjoy the game as is and not continue to suggest features certain people are going to find offensive... People have no right to force mind sets on people who consider these issues offensive and detracting to their game experiences and should consider them BEFORE topics like this arise =\

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Being offended or offending people isn't a problem to be solved. If it were, life would be fair and as we all know, life isn't fair.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Inferiority complex!?...

Dead or Alive 5 models are good enough for me, thanks!... :D

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I'd like the Dead or Alive 40lb boobs(each) to stay out of FFXIV please.


Lol we don't even need "better" bodies. Just more defined butts lol. That's what everyone was complaining/asking about for all this time. That's all we need


Roe fem bust is already pretty dang big on max. Any bigger and it wouldn't make sense anymore.

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Originally Posted by AlessaGillespie

The girls butts are way, way too little and the poor men don't even have any equipment at all.
So to me, everyone looks like horizontal poles. They just don't seem to be what they could if the proportions were right.

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As a person with a petite body, I appreciate that there is a videogame that actually represents my body type. But, I think the petite bodies should be reserved to certain races. For example, in FFXI, mithra (miqo'te equivalent) were very petite with extremely athletic bodies. They didn't really have a big behind or chest, but other races did. So it would be nice if they did something like that.

But while we're on the topic of proportions... I'm a cosplayer and I enjoy making these costumes. The women have really long legs in this game, yet no one complains about that. Every costume I make, I have to make adjustments for my short legs. But, I'm pretty sure even people with average-sized legs would run into this problem. So why no complaints about the long legs? Because they are 'appealing'?

It's not about wanting proportionate bodies. You just want bodies that fit your ideal. And, that's fine. But let's please call it what it is.

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Originally Posted by AlessaGillespie

yes lol not something so extreme. Also these look nice!

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yea! I really hope in 4.0 they bring back something like that..I miss my bum lol

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Inferiority complex!?...

Dead or Alive 5 models are good enough for me, thanks!... :D

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Hehe I am not sure what you are trying to say XD But I do love DoA I just don't want FF to turn into that lmao

Keep my DoA in Doa! ^_^

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

As a person with a petite body, I appreciate that there is a videogame that actually represents my body type. But, I think the petite bodies should be reserved to certain races. For example, in FFXI, mithra (miqo'te equivalent) were very petite with extremely athletic bodies. They didn't really have a big behind or chest, but other races did. So it would be nice if they did something like that.

But while we're on the topic of proportions... I'm a cosplayer and I enjoy making these costumes. The women have really long legs in this game, yet no one complains about that. Every costume I make, I have to make adjustments for my short legs. But, I'm pretty sure even people with average-sized legs would run into this problem. So why no complaints about the long legs? Because they are 'appealing'?

It's not about wanting proportionate bodies. You just want bodies that fit your ideal. And, that's fine. But let's please call it what it is.

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I understand your PoV...but proportionate bodies are classified as "your hips and bust are the same size" aka hour glass. So if OP is asking for bust/bum to match..that is just simply hour glass, which does not exist in XIV...since they took away our butts haha