About Tank Design Winner

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Originally Posted by LadyVal

I never bothered because, before I even played this game, someone told me about the "design a mount" competition SE had in FF11 and how the community voted a European mount as the winner, and the devs said "Oh we really like that mount but we're going to implement the highest-voted Japanese entrant's mount instead. Sorry!"

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This 'someone' was probably goofing around with you, FF11's been stuck with chocobo-only mounts for almost the entirety of the game's lifespan.

The sole submit-a-design contest FF11 ever held I believe, was for a shield in 2013 based on a simple template. The grand prize winner was submitted by someone named Adam F., who was probably not Japanese (it gets muddled, all the entrants' names were transliterated in English as were the JP character names). Selection was purely by the judge(s), so I can only imagine the voting system we saw a couple years later was just to see if it'd work this time around.

after this i can tell you how the winner design for the healer contest will look like: a long, white robe

SE has dropped the ball. instead of bringing something new, refreshing, they stick to the boring plate armor we already have dozens in game...

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Originally Posted by Tint

after this i can tell you how the winner design for the healer contest will look like: a long, white robe

SE has dropped the ball. instead of bringing something new, refreshing, they stick to the boring plate armor we already have dozens in game...

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Omg armor plating, it's the devil! Get a grip, lol.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Omg armor plating, it's the devil! Get a grip, lol.

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no, it's just boring.

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Originally Posted by Tint

after this i can tell you how the winner design for the healer contest will look like: a long, white robe

SE has dropped the ball. instead of bringing something new, refreshing, they stick to the boring plate armor we already have dozens in game...

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But, but, but... It's TANK gear. OF COURSE IT'S PLATE ARMOR

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Originally Posted by Tint

no, it's just boring.

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Well, where's your entry? :D

I don't see what the issue is with all the negativity.

The winning design isn't "boring." It's actually quite detailed and if some elements are "borrowed" from HA/Ironworks gear then I don't see a problem with that. I liked a lot of the entries, but the winning one actually fits the game. This is also going to be popular with the player base at large, whereas a lot of the other entries are more "niche" oriented.

Most of the runner ups are much more exciting than the winner. I'm really disappointed the Void armor didn't win, that is my favorite.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Well, where's your entry? :D

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A: This food is terrible!

B: how can you tell? you never leveled CUL!

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

A: This food is terrible!

B: how can you tell? you never leveled CUL!

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They said it was boring, but seriously, can they come up with something better than the winning entry? Criticism is all fine and dandy if it has substance, but literally just saying "It's boring.", like at least provide some backbone...

I really wanted the Goobue armour to win, oh well.

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Originally Posted by Colino

I really wanted the Goobue armour to win, oh well.

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I think the goobbue armor will (or should) end up being implemented as an outfit that everyone can wear, ala the pig costume from the Gold Saucer. I think it would make more sense to do something like this rather than restrict it to tanking classes only.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

They said it was boring, but seriously, can they come up with something better than the winning entry? Criticism is all fine and dandy if it has substance, but literally just saying "It's boring.", like at least provide some backbone...

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Just because someone says it's boring doesn't mean they actually have the artistic talent to create something else. It's perfectly ok to think the winner was boring compared to the other entrants, without actually having to create my own design to "back it up."

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Well, where's your entry? :D

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Where's yours? That's what I thought.

Learn to accept opinions for what they are. Opinions.

The set that was my favorite won :D

You know, besides the Goobue set.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

They said it was boring, but seriously, can they come up with something better than the winning entry?

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You should really read your own comment back to yourself and then ask yourself.

Does that make any sense?

Go on I'll wait.

This armour removes all your skills - because you don't need them. All you do is stand there and say "and that was your Ultimate? Thought you where just tickling me"

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/4f1...f04e636_10.png

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

This armour removes all your skills - because you don't need them. All you do is stand there and say "and that was your Ultimate? Thought you where just tickling me"

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/4f1...f04e636_10.png

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Looks like Iron Tarkus upgraded his armor.

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Originally Posted by Jadub2k

And that point to win the DPS and Healer design contest. All you have to do is to remember to take a design that looks like its in the game already (not interesting, fun designs like the others were. Oh no no no), use it as a base and design your artwork off of that.. You'll win

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That's probably the worst thing about this pick. If they have more design contests, I get the feeling we're going to see most entries going the safe, easy route and creating gear that looks like stuff we already have in the game. I'm sure we'll still get crazy outliers, but I'm expecting a lot more generic entries for the next contest now that people know that's what gets you the win.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

You should really read your own comment back to yourself and then ask yourself.

Does that make any sense?

Go on I'll wait.

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I don't think it's fair for an individual to judge a piece when they aren't in the position to judge it, that's why we had this one judged by the devs and I'm thankful for that. Had this been judged by players, probably some impractical Gobbuue armor or single-thread armor would have won, knowing how impractical this player based is. SE is only looking out for what the fans want. How this 180 on the Allagan Luminous Surcoat happened, baffles me, which is why I am asking... have you created anything better? Has it been judged and won the competition? No? Didn't think so.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

And the winner was inspired by soup cans. :/

I'd prefer the PSO2 looking one, the tribal one looked nice too and Zero Signal's looked the most original. But yeah, immersion I suppose.

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I played Phantasy Star Online/Universe/2 since 2000 and never really stopped so i would love to see many of the costumes and bosses from PSO2 come to FFXIV, in return for Odin <3
Gosh, how much i would love to fight Dark Falz Luther, with this time-altering abilities, rewinds and time freezes, in FFXIV!

But this was meant to be a contest about creating a set of tank armor, so taking an existing PSO2 set, with a couple diff accessories, recoloring it, and giving it a few extra lines, does not really seem a fair thing to do.
And i am surprised it even arrived as far as it did, given that.

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

I played Phantasy Star Online/Universe/2 since 2000 and never really stopped so i would love to see many of the costumes and bosses from PSO2 come to FFXIV, in return for Odin <3
Gosh, how much i would love to fight Dark Falz Luther, with this time-altering abilities, rewinds and time freezes, in FFXIV!

But this was meant to be a contest about creating a set of tank armor, so taking an existing PSO2 set, with a couple diff accessories, recoloring it, and giving it a few extra lines, does not really seem a fair thing to do.
And i am surprised it even arrived as far as it did, given that.

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And the generic soup can armor with little to no creativity is fine, to his their own. If you want to see more of the same ol'stuff then good for you. I for one like creativity, which is once again the reason why I don't participate in these. Looks different than everything else? Not worth mentioning. Looks the same as everything? must have it.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

And the generic soup can armor with little to no creativity is fine, to his their own. If you want to see more of the same ol'stuff then good for you. I for one like creativity, which is once again the reason why I don't participate in these. Looks different than everything else? Not worth mentioning. Looks the same as everything? must have it.

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I do not disagree with you, i also had my hopes placed in some of the more imaginative models :3
I was just specifically pointing out that nearly-copies should not make it to the finals.

I guess i was illustrating a point by using a current example rather than necessarily wanting to claim said example was worse than others.

Ccorris and Gungira had the best one to me. that's literally a recolout of iron works. it's nicely drawn and all....but not original. very disappointed.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

have you created anything better? Has it been judged and won the competition? No? Didn't think so.

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Your gonna stand by that...really?

Too bad I'm not around to point out the moment you decide that you didn't like __________ to point out your invalidity of your inane perception on criticism.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I don't think it's fair for an individual to judge a piece when they aren't in the position to judge it, that's why we had this one judged by the devs and I'm thankful for that. Had this been judged by players, probably some impractical Gobbuue armor or single-thread armor would have won, knowing how impractical this player based is. SE is only looking out for what the fans want. How this 180 on the Allagan Luminous Surcoat happened, baffles me, which is why I am asking... have you created anything better? Has it been judged and won the competition? No? Didn't think so.

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(before I continue,, I must say that I wanted the allagan surcoat to win and utterly loath the idea of gag armor like the Gobbule one being role locked)

I'd think its more due to jealousy (Why didn't my favorite design win? its totally more original than this hunk of junk!) or disappointment of a larger problem players have with this game that this might be a symptom of...an affinity of playing it safe.

Consider this, Heavenward, as an expansion, inherently brings the promise of innovation. And I'd like to think they divered on this aspect in certain area, but the more things change, the more they say the same, is in play here. We still got the Gear treadmill left un-changed. Still get the usual itemization problems, The Anima playing out a remixed version of the Zodiac quests and some of the innovations were more to bring them in line with their counterparts (namely BRD/MCH and the concept of Scrips). Plus their initial additions of content, Lord of Vermillion and the Diadem, were massive flops, and well, you know what they say about first impressions.

Overall, after ARR pulled massive changes from 1.0 in a desperate and successful bid to save the game, the brand, and the company, Heavensward seems to playing it safe and taking an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" approach towards most existing 2.0-type content

This might had affect how even the non-mechanical areas of development, including items appearance, and as such while the Allagan Surcoat fits the game, fans might had had a problem because it is as similar to other armors than Gubal Hard and Xelphatol will be to Sohr Khai and Hull Breaker Hard

That said I'm gonna assume Occam's razor is in play and say it more likely that Jeasousy that their favored entry didn;t win is the most likely factor

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Your gonna stand by that...really?

Too bad I'm not around to point out the moment you decide that you didn't like __________ to point out your invalidity of your inane perception on criticism.

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The thing is, I'm not relying on just having a winning entry, my issue is is that the person just said "plate armor is boring", and had nothing to back it up. I'm not saying make a winning entry (although that would be best :D). I'm saying explain your reasoning. If you were doing a review of a dungeon or in game content, you don't glance at it and say "It's boring because the color blue is there" do you? :>

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

But this was meant to be a contest about creating a set of tank armor, so taking an existing PSO2 set, with a couple diff accessories, recoloring it, and giving it a few extra lines, does not really seem a fair thing to do.
And i am surprised it even arrived as far as it did, given that.

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I was just specifically pointing out that nearly-copies should not make it to the finals.

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My entry have nothing to do with the Phantasy Star Series. Its highly based on the existing Ironworks-gear (which is my all time favorite in FFXIV). Please read my post for some detailed information. If there is an existing or similiar design in PSO2 already, I would like to see those designs. I m really curious, if my design is already taken in another game. I m still wondering, why so many people named it "PSO2 gear" (maybe because of the cross event with FFXIV, who knows) xD

Oh... and btw: Its nearly impossible to create a completely "new" tank gear, because any gearset could look similiar to existing designs from the same or other games. When it doesnt like FFXIV or PSO2, it will definitely look like a copy from Aion, Tera, WoW, Blade and Soul or [insert random F2P MMORPG here] ; )

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

I m still wondering, why so many people named it "PSO2 gear"

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People say that it looks like it came from PSO2 because it looks to be on the same style as gear from that game, from the shapes to the light effects.
If you say that that it is coincidence then i will believe you, but there is a reason why everyone says "Oh, pso2" hehe

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I'm saying explain your reasoning.

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That's not actually what you said. You dismissed their opinion on the basis that they didn't make a winning entry.

If you were this objective with your first statement then you wouldn't be catching flak in this way. Personally I don't mind the winner, I think it's a bit bland compared to what the other entries were to be honest. It's very samey to what we have in the game already and this is a perfect opportunity for the developers to be a little bit more outside the box with their choice of winner.

But hey the devs get to pick whatever they want, I'm just suprised to be honest they went with something so similar to what exists.

Oh yay, more butt-capes.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

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I'm terribly srry I called your gear that as I was just responding to some calling it that not realizing how rude that was. I love your design and I hoped it would win. If you ask me, yours was outlandish and actually really creative, but would fit right in with the glamours we already have. SE missed an opportunity to give this game a sweet new set of duds, their loss.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Oh... and btw: Its nearly impossible to create a completely "new" tank gear, because any gearset could look similiar to existing designs from the same or other games. When it doesnt like FFXIV or PSO2, it will definitely look like a copy from Aion, Tera, WoW, Blade and Soul or [insert random F2P MMORPG here] ; )

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Pretty typical for people to latch anything remotely similar to a given subject when giving any sort of critique. Can't just look at it and think of the design into itself, they insist on finding anything possible to attach to it. Calling your design similar to anything PSO2-esque is a really powerful stretch, they don't have anything to go actually go on. Little light-up bits seems to be the only thing people actually catch on, and as you said, your design aesthetic actually comes from the Ironworks style, which as well had the luminous sections, yet everyone misses that. Only other thing is maybe pointy metal bits? Got that plenty as well in this game too, so really, it'd be nice if people just took designs for what they are, not what they sorta look like as something else.

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

If you say that that it is coincidence then i will believe you, but there is a reason why everyone says "Oh, pso2" hehe

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

I'm terribly srry I called your gear that as I was just responding to some calling it that not realizing how rude that was.

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Haha, dont worry I have no problems with that xD

I personally do not enjoy the winning entry, for it does not suit my style. I'm not into bulky, full covering armor. I'm mainly disappointed there's not a variety of tank gear. Most of what we have are the same old hulking plate armor, all looking very similar. While that's fine for others, I was hoping they would pick something that would provide something different. The rules did not say they HAD to look like practical tank gear.

I know I'm not alone when I say I prefer aesthetics over practicality when it comes to tank gear. I'm just hoping gear gets released that suits both people like me, and people who prefer full plate armor. Not everyone who plays the game share the same style of armor for different roles, they should put gear out there that suits everyone. Not just for the practical.

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

Oh yay, more butt-capes.

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Anything but more of those. >_<

I think many people are just very careless with their words or don't express their thoughts in a very in-depth manner so a lot of the comments here likely come off a lot ruder than the posters really intended, or at least I hope. I actually share the sentiments of the people who were hoping for a different winner. Honestly the Surcoat is absolutely stunning with it's design and detail and think the artist should be very proud of themselves. I'm genuinely, really happy such a pretty and impressive piece is making it into the game.

However...

Considering how rarely we get such events, I don't really want to latch on to the idea of picking the most impressive looking set and then deciding it was the best decision. It just seems a bit narrow-minded. Considering all of the other factors.... how often we get such events, how long it will be until the next Tank design contest(if ever), how different it looks from pre-existing sets in game.... I simply don't personally believe that it was the best choice. It'd be one thing if they picked more than one winner and said that "these sets will all DEFINITELY be implemented", but that's not what it is; they only promised one and the best we can do is hope that they choose to implement at least a couple of the others.

When people call the sets boring, I don't think they really mean to ridicule the design itself. What I'm sure they mean is more along the lines of "Plate armour is already in abundance in this game, and yes, while it suits the aesthetic and looks very impressive, I was hoping that this rare opportunity might be used to fill up less-explored areas". Take for instance a tribal aesthetic for argument's sake. We have one set I think from Sohm Al that pursued that particular design and that's it. There's nothing unfitting about a beefy, frontline warrior class showing a little skin - it's simply a different aesthetic choice and I think there was at least one of those submitted? I don't remember how nice the sets themselves were in comparison to the favourites, but the fact alone that they fit a particular area that was lacking in this game should have been detail enough to make them strong competitors for the winning title. It's not even about plate armour in and of itself. If you're familiar with the Flame Elite's harness, that chest piece is HEAVY plate but you can still see some skin which gives it a bit of a gladatorial feel. I adore that armour and would love to see more things like that implemented because they are far, far less common.

In short, people aren't upset because a bad design was chosen, they're upset because a rare opportunity for variety was lost.

I agree. But unlike the hairstyle contest, we didnt even have confusing rules to participate on the judgement so much that really it was the judges decisions ultimately about the entire thing. All of the drawings were immaculate and I'd love to see them all implemented even if some as GS(if i have to point out which ones, I guess we see differently about that issue) Hopefully, and I'd look a bit further into their comments about the works, that all the pieces are considered for implementation someday and I feel as hard of work that was presented, and how amazingly well these designs were, that they wont let them fall to the way side, Maybe as AF gear, maybe as monk/ninja/bard I would hope to see these sets implemented in the furure or most definately the designs considered greatly for designing what looks better than what we have now currently, because they were so well drawn up and done

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

My entry have nothing to do with the Phantasy Star Series.

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

People say that it looks like it came from PSO2 because it looks to be on the same style as gear from that game, from the shapes to the light effects.
If you say that that it is coincidence then i will believe you, but there is a reason why everyone says "Oh, pso2" hehe

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http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...4ef139a198.jpg


http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...95b0d13c85.jpg

yeah, I believe u too that your entry have nothing to do with the Phantasy Star Series...I mean, it's a pure coincidence that the pose from both char's r similar :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ErryK

How this 180 on the Allagan Luminous Surcoat happened, baffles me, which is why I am asking... have you created anything better? Has it been judged and won the competition? No? Didn't think so.

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You obviously don't work in fashion or any other field where you regularly, publicly display your work. If you saw any of the mannequins I've ever dressed in my career, or outfits I picked for others, you would have an opinion about them, whether you could create better looks or not. Everyone does. That's how people work. You don't need to make the salary I do to judge my work when you see it just like nobody here needs to be able to design a "better tank armor" to judge the winning look when they see it.